Orchids Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 hello where in the SGGSJ does it say that we cannot cut hair? can someone provide quotes i also came across a quote in the SGGSJ can someone explain what it means Some look hideous, with their uncut hair matted and dishevelled. They bring dishonor to their family and ancestry. Some wander naked day and night and never sleep. Some burn their limbs in fire, damaging and ruining themselves. Without the Name, the body is reduced to ashes; what good is it to speak and cry then? Those who serve the True Guru, are embellished and exalted in the Court of their Lord and Master. || 15 || SHALOK, THIRD MEHL page 1285 what does this mean the part where it says uncut hair matted 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mehtab Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh rom rom mehi basehi muraar || and on each and every hair, the Lord abides. Bhagat Kabeer Ji Raag Gauree 344 gur kae charan kaes sa(n)g jhaarae ||1|| with my hair, I dust the feet of the Guru. ||1|| Guru Arjan Dev Ji Raag Aasaa 387 romae rom rom romae mai guramukh raam dhhiaaeae raam || With each and every hair, with each and every hair, as Gurmukh, I meditate on the Lord. Guru Raam Daas Ji Raag Aasaa 443 kaes sa(n)g dhaas pag jhaaro eihai manorathh mor ||1|| With my hair, I wash the feet of Your slave; this is my life's purpose. ||1|| Guru Arjan Dev Ji Raag Gujri 500 kaesaa kaa kar beejanaa sa(n)th chour dtulaavo || I make my hair into a fan, and wave it over the Saint. Guru Arjan Dev Ji Raag Soohee 745 kaesaa kaa kar chavar dtulaavaa charan dhhoorr mukh laaee ||1|| rehaao || I make my hair into a fan, and wave it over them; I apply the dust of their feet to my face. ||1||Pause|| Guru Arjan Dev Ji Raag Soohee 749 ttehal karo thaerae dhaas kee pag jhaaro baal || I perform service for Your slave, O Lord, and wipe his feet with my hair. Guru Arjan Dev Ji Raag Bilaaval 810 guramukh rom rom har dhhiaavai || The Gurmukh meditates on the Lord with every hair of his body. Guru Nanak Dev Ji Raag Raamkalee 941 naanak raviaa habh thhaae van thrin thribhavan rom ||2|| O Nanak, He is pervading and permeating all places, the forests and the meadows, the three worlds, and every hair. ||2|| Guru Arjan Dev Ji Raag Raamkalee 966 dhivas rain thaerae paao paloso kaes chavar kar faeree ||1|| Day and night, I wash Your feet, Lord; I wave my hair as the chauree, to brush away the flies. ||1|| Bhagat Kabeer Ji Raag Raamkalee 969 rom rom raviaa har naam || The Lord's Name permeates each and every hair of mine. Guru Arjan Dev Ji Raag Bhairao 1144 nainahu sa(n)g sa(n)than kee saevaa charan jhaaree kaesaaeiou || With my eyes I see the Saints, and dedicate myself to serving them; I wash their feet with my hair. Guru Arjan Dev Ji Raag Saarang 1217 rom rom har oucharai khin khin har soee || With each and every hair, they chant the Lord's Name, each and every instant, the Lord. Guru Amar Daas Ji Raag Saarang 1247 Therefore each pore of your being meditates on Waheguru. Taking it off would be one's own spiritual loss. I heard a similar theory in a katha by Gyani Sant Singh Jee Maskeen @ proudtobesikh.com, under Gurbani Viakhia Sahit, entitled Kakaar. hope that helped waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 I think you guys are reading too much into it. Otherwise how would you justify Bhagat Kabir's shabd where it says that it doesn't matter whether you are bald or not? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 Beast, would u care posting us the bhagat kabir's shabad then we can compare the two. You also gotta remember at the end of shabads. Updesh are given specific type of people.. so beast please post the shabad.. we will do some vichar on it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 kabeer preeth eik sio keeeae aan dhubidhhaa jaae || Kabeer, when you are in love with the One Lord, duality and alienation depart. bhaavai laa(n)bae kaes kar bhaavai gharar muddaae ||25|| You may have long hair, or you may shave your head bald. ||25|| 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 Please post the whole shabad 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singing_Silence (Kaur) Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 I agree with Beast. I think the fact that Guru Ji or the Bhagats say they meditate with each and every pore only signifies the intensity of their Bhagti, it doesnt necessary mean that its a Hukam for all to keep hair. If someone lost their hair through disease, and some do from every part of their bodies (ie cancer), their Bhagti doesnt become less right? I think its important not to make the mistake of taking verses out of context. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karmjeet Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 Guru ji says " sabat soorat dastar sija "(rehatnama ) baba Farid ji says " Sabat sooorat rab di bhanan beyimaan ."(SGGS) its clear that to be called a sikh u have to be keep your kesh . no exceptions. no excuses . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singing_Silence (Kaur) Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 accidentally posted for no reason, now I cant delete it! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sardar Moderator Singh Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 karmjeet, the two quotes you have posted have been discussed numerous times on this forum -see the keski debate for further information, you'll be quite surprised at what you will find as to the real meaning of the entire verse in "context" of the whole shabd. Likewise with the other quotes, please post them up in full individually and then discuss with due reference and thought. Thanks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mehtab Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 If someone lost their hair through disease, and some do from every part of their bodies (ie cancer), their Bhagti doesnt become less right?Bhenji, that would be natural right? So howcome the loss of bhagti as losing hair or cancer was also hukam in the first place? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sukhi Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 how is loss of hair through medical treatment natural? people make the choice to get treatment and as a result of that choice lose their hair. it's not natural hair loss... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singing_Silence (Kaur) Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 It doesnt matter if its natural or not. The point Im making is that its not necessary to have a certain amount of hair, or hair in some areas and not in the others to do any Bhagti. I dont think the original verse in question was even related to this topic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mehtab Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 sukhi, silence kaur bhenji said "If someone lost their hair through disease"...so i said its natural...coz mostly diseases are natural...i guess The point Im making is that its not necessary to have a certain amount of hair, or hair in some areas and not in the others to do any Bhagtithats true...u are to stay natural as God made u...its only when u tamper with what nature put on u that u realize, or may realize what u've lost... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sukhi Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 i'm actually not takin any sides on this. i was just saying that losing your hair cuz of medicine isn't natural hair loss. tha's all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherni-E-Punjab Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 Depends where you draw the line between "natural" and "intentionally done." Certain chemicals, etc. (consumed through food, med., etc) ...are responsible for hair loss. Also, when you have say Leukemia- your NATURALLY obligated to get Chemotherapy - which results in hair loss.. So..? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akalbir Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 what does this mean the part where it says uncut hair matted Since everyone has addressed the hair quotes I will answer about the matted hair. Hindu sadhus make their hair into dread locks or matted hair. They cover themselves in the ashes of funeral pyres. If i'm not mistaken, this is a reason for the kanga. Sikhs have well groomed hair to be seperate from the sadhus. Just out of curiosity, are you looking for SGGS to have in it that we must have uncut hair? From the posted quotes, it doesn't appear to say that. What is important though is that Guru Gobind Singh Ji said that we shouldn't cut our hair. I'm sorry if I'm reading into your question. akalbir 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sukhi Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 Sherni-E-Punjab... the disease might be natural, but the meds are man-made. if you have leukemia and you wish to save your life, you have to sacrifice your hair. it's a choice you make. obviously, most people want to save their lives. but just because most people make the same choice, it doesn't make the choice a "natural cause" for hair loss. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sikh_fauge Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 I havent come across any gurbani in adi granth which supports growing hair..infact guru nanak dev ji (several occasions) talks about how useless relegious garms are/relegious symbols. Also there is a shabad where baba sheikh farid talks about his pagri, in says along the lines of, "why worry about dust being on ur turban when your head will turn to dust one day". I agree with akalbir that the previous nanaks didnt make the issue of kesh taboo..it was only guru gobind singh ji who made this obligatory. Well this is what i beleive 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mehtab Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 http://forums.waheguroo.com/index.php?act=...;t=4831&hl= Spiritual Power in Hair When he touched my hair and blessed me, how could I bear my hair being shorn? The Sikh is the dedicated. I nestle the fragrance of his touch in my tresses, they, of the modern era have bobbed the bride but the Sacred Braids of Christ still remain the most beautiful adornment of man’s or woman’s head. I love the Guru’s superstition. The lightning spark is concealed in the wool of the wandering cloud in the sky and the life spark of guru is hidden in this sheaf of hair. They say it is troublesome to carry it. But more troublesome is a life of no inspiration. The body itself is not less troublesome. And when one drops and shingles is in no way less troublesome. And when one is reconciled to such a thing as the human body, to such a thing as this impossible life, it is emptiness of soul, it is bankruptcy of love for god and for the guru to think of the riddance of hair, the spiritual crown of humanity. The modern woman, as I have said elsewhere, has lost most of her soul by shingling her hair and putting an odorous reed in her rose-bud-like lips. Coming to us from our personal god, dearer to us than our mother, father, sister, or sweetheart, it comes to us as His Gift, as His Blessing. Fie on our manners that we argue over and over about it. He touched my hair, and I keep it ; when I toss my arm up in the air and the iron ring shines, I am reminded of His wrist that wore it --one exactly like this. Is this arm, by some stray gleam of the iron ring on my wrist, His? Other religions live in an elaborated symbolism ; I the Sikh have no religion. He loved me, He made me his own. http://forums.waheguroo.com/index.php?act=...;t=4369&hl= Kesh (hair): The keeping of uncut hair is given a great deal of importance in Sikhism. But what is so special about hair? Historical significance: Well the history of hair goes back to the Bible. The Bible talks of a man called Sampson who obtained supernatural powers through his long hair. His hair was later cut and consequently he lost his powers. It is also a fact that most of the world’s prophets and saints including Jesus, the Sikh Gurus and Hindu prophets kept uncut hair. Meaning: G. A. Gaskell writes, ‘Hair of the head is a symbol of faith, intuition of truth, or the highest qualities of the mind.’ - Dictionary of all Scriptures Sikhs believe God to be a perfect creator. It therefore follows that whatever He creates is perfect. The keeping of uncut hair is therefore, recognition of God’s perfection and the submission of a Sikh to the Will of God. Function: Most Sikhs regard hair as a gift from God. But what does this gift actually do for us? Well the functions of hair can be divided into 5 sub categories. These include an ornamental function, physical function, psychological function, Sikh specific function and a spiritual function. Ornamental function: Nature has decorated a man with a beard and a moustache to differentiate between a male and a female. A good example from the animal kingdom is a lion with its majestic mane. Physical function: Just like the skin, the hair helps to synthesize vitamin D from sunlight. It also helps to supply the piturary gland (located in the head) with phosphorous. Phosphorous is an element which is used in meditation by the aforesaid gland. The hair on our body regulates body temperature and our eye lashes, nostril hairs and ear hairs help to keep out dust particles. Psychological function: This is by far, one of the most important functions of hair. People cut their hair to look good for other people, and although everyone wants to look sexy and cool, a Sikh is encouraged to impress God and not bother so much about the opinions of everyone else. Keeping hair therefore encourages us to become less vain and more God orientated. Sikh specific function: Uncut hair is a mark of Sikh identity. The 10th Sikh Guru instructed all his Sikhs to come before him with long hair and weapons. Long hair also represents sacrifice, because there have been many Sikhs like Bhai Taru Singh, who preferred to have their scalp removed instead of their hair cut. Spiritual function: Hair enhances the ability of a human being to experience God. This can be explained by understanding the workings of electromagnets. An electromagnet consists of an iron rod with a coil of wire wrapped around it. The strength of an electromagnet can be increased by increasing the number of coils. Now in a human being, there are nine visible inlets/outlets (2 nostrils, 2 ear holes, 1 mouth, 2 eyes, 2 below the waistline). And the 10th inlet is located in the head and is invisible. It is called the Dasam Dawar. This is where we experience the reality of God and we can consider this to be the iron rod. Hairs are like coils of wire which amplify spiritual energy at the 10th inlet. A greater quantity of head hair will lead to more coils in the (Joora) knot and therefore a higher concentration of spiritual energy. Of course, it is possible to experience God without any head hair like Buddhists. However anything that helps us to experience God more easily should be welcomed. Hair is essentially a spiritual technology that makes it easier to connect with God. Conclusion to wearing all the 5 K's: (Kesh (unshorn hair), Kanga (wooden comb), Kachhera (shorts), Kara (Iron bangle) & Kirpaan (sword)) Wearing 5K’s does not automatically make a good Sikh and in addition to this, wearing the 5 K’s without understanding their purpose is silly. The 5 K’s are not meaningless symbols, but instead are items which aid us in living a life revolving around God and submission to His Will. http://forums.waheguroo.com/index.php?act=...;t=4226&hl= THE LONGING FOR KES by Manvir Singh Khalsa 4 years ago I stopped cutting my hair and kept my Kes. What made me keep my hair? What made me feel the yearning to accept my Guru’s image? What made me want to become close with my Guru? As a child I was encouraged to read stories and sing shabads at the Gurdwara. As a child I was introduced to sewa and was made to distribute langar and parshaad with my brothers. As a child I was made to sit in the Sadh Sangat and listen to Keertan and Katha despite not always understanding. Going back home from the Gurdwara, my parents or family members would ask “what did you learn today?†We would discuss what Giani ji talked about We would discuss the meaning of the shabad sung. We would discuss the meaning of things we do in Sikhi. Telling the stories of one's ancestors make the children good children. (Ang 951, SGGS) I would look around the Gurdwara and Nagar Keertans at all the Singhs and Singhnīān. I would look at the beautiful dastaars (turbans) of my Sikh brothers and sisters. I would look around and see little children with Kes. They looked like Guru Gobind Singh Ji & Mata Sahib Kaur Ji. They reminded me of the Singhs and Singhnīān of the past, in the stories I was told about. They looked like true princes and princesses who were crowned with their royal turbans. Why don’t I look like my Father – Guru Gobind Singh Ji? Why don’t I look like my Brothers – the Four Sahibzaade (Princes)? Why don’t I look the Saint-Soldiers which I read about? At school my English friends would ask: “What religion are you?†‘I am a ‘Sikh!’’ I would reply. ‘But where is your hair and turban’ they would say. Should I say that only our Granthis keep Kes? Should I say that only really religious Sikhs keep Kes? Should I say that only backward Sikhs keep Kes? I felt ashamed. I would feel proud of being a Sikh! But the pride did not go beyond the boundaries of my heart! Muslim classmates would ask ‘are you a Hindu?’ ‘No! I am a Sikh!’ I would say. ‘But Sikhs all drink’, ‘All Sikhsl cut their hair’ And ‘unlike us Muslims, Sikhs are not true to their religion!’ What reply should I give? Why don’t they see the Saint-Soldier in a Sikh? Why don’t they see the love of Guru Nanak Ji and the royalty of Guru Gobind Singh Jee when they look at Sikhs? Why don’t they see the compassion, humility and righteous character of a Sikh? I planned to go to Panjab in the summer holidays in 2000. I wanted to keep my Kes, so I didn’t have a hair cut for a long time. Before I went on holiday I was told, ‘have a hair cut, you look scruffy!’ But I didn’t want to, because I wanted to fulfil my dream of accepting my true identity. In Panjab I was asked: “Do you want to get a haircut from the village Barber?†“No!†I replied, “Not on the land where Guru Gobind Singh Jee sacrificed his four sons, and family for us!... Not on the land where Bhai Taru Singh refused to have his hair cut and instead accepted his scalp to be scraped off!... Not on the land where Singhs and Singhnīān who gave their heads but not their Sikhi!†How could I cut my hair on that ground which was stained with blood of the Gurus and Shaheeds (martyrs) who died for our Sikhi? I thought what would my family would think of my keeping Kes. I thought what would the relatives, who have a negative image of Singhs think of me keeping Kes. I thought what would people at my school say or do if I kept Kes. I decided not to cut my hair and started to tie a turban in the Christmas holidays during Year 11. My dad told me that by becoming a Singh I would face numerous problems and that am I willing to face those challenges. “Singh’s find it difficult to get married!†“Singh’s struggle to get good jobs because of racism!†“In a town where there aren’t any turbaned Sikh children, you will be face with racism!†I replied, “The Guru’s whose path I have chosen will look after meâ€. I would find good and beautiful wife with the Guru’s grace. I would rather work in a factory and be proud son of a Father, rather than work in a high flying job but with no self-respect. I would rather people swear at me than turn my back on my Beloved Guru. “Take one step to the Guru, and the Guru will take millions of steps forward to welcome you.†(Bhai Gurdas Ji) My Kes is the wires of electricity which link me to my Dear Father – Guru Gobind Singh Ji! My Kes is my Nishaan Saahib, my flag and the stamp of my Sikhi! My Turban is my crown; my Turban is my honour; my Turban is the image of my Beloved Father – Guru Gobind Singh Ji! With God’s grace, I received support from my family, respect from my school and love of my Guru. ‘Khalsa is my Special Form; In the Khalsa, I reside.’ (Nanak X) Be inspired and inspire others! May God bless you! http://forums.waheguroo.com/index.php?act=...;t=3279&hl= Why folks are cutting their hair and what should we do to bring them back to Sikhi? As Sikhs we are very fortunate we have been given an identity and code of conduct that is so perfectly clear and defined that there is no question that who we are or what we stand for. Sikhs today, particularly Sikhs that come to the west where there is little or no knowledge or respect for who we are, come under tremendous pressure to blend in and adopt the identity and practices of the social environment at hand. Too many Sikhs when faced with this sometimes extreme social pressure are not secure enough in their own spiritual identity and personal strength, and they become intimidated, and give in. As a community we need to create a positive social identity for Sikhs that is accepted in the west, so that eventually the pressure to give up these important spiritual symbols will not be as great. Those of us, who have successfully overcome these social obstacles while maintaining our spiritual identity, need to stand as examples show others how possible it is, and inspire others not to sacrifice their deeper spiritual value for the sake of social convenience or what they may perceive to be material gain. It may on occasion be easier, but is never necessary to abandon our identity to be successful in the west. Most of all we need to measure our own values, and to really listen to the words of our Guru's when they tell us the value of spiritual commitment and service over obsession with material or social gain. http://forums.waheguroo.com/index.php?act=...;t=1737&hl= Signigicance of Our HAIR "All your sins can be pardoned if you become a Muslim and cut and give me those long hair of yours " said by Muslim governer to Bhai Taru Singh. Bhai Taru Singh said, "I shall keep my faith with these hair and you shall be controlled by my shoes and with these you will die." The Governor was beside himself with rage on hearing this. He got Bhai Taru Singh mounted on rotating wheels of torture and then from a cobbler got his scalp removed so that hair may not grow again. After that he got him thrown in a ditch. **************************************** Then Sikhs also got the five symbols from Guru Gobind singh ji, Bhai Nand lal wrote: "These five letters of K are emblems of Sikhism. These five are most incumbent, Steel Bangle, big knife, shorts and a comb; without unshorn hair the other four are of no significance" **************************************** Sardar Sukkha Singh Kalsi (d.1752): Great Sikh warrior "His parents, apprehensive of the government's wrath, one day cut off his hair as he lay asleep. Sukkha Singh on waking up felt so disturbed at this sacrilege that he decided to put an end to his life, andiumped into a well. He resisted the people's effort to pull him out, until a Sikh who was passing by advised him that it was sheer cowardice and a sin for a Sikh to take his own life. Sukkha Singh allowed himself to be helped out, regrew his kesa and joined the jatha or band of Sardar Shiam Singh." **************************************** Zakariya Khan continued to carry out his policy of repression with redoubled zeal. A Pitiless campaign for a manhunt was started. Sikhs heads sold for money and Mughals offered a prize for each head brought to them. According to Ratan Singh Bhangu, "He who informed where a Sikh was received 10 rupees, he who killed one received 50." But Sikhs never cuts their hair, not even when Muslim put price on their heads. **************************************** Prior to his release from prison in Lahore, the well-known Shaheed Bhagat Singh, who was waiting execution in the same prison, expressed a desire to have Bhai Sahib's darshan before his death. On being approached, Bhai Sahib refused to see him saying "...he has violated the basic tenets of Sikhism by shaving off his hair and hence I do not want to see him." Bhagat Singh was quick to express his repentance and also confessed that he, in fact, was an atheist at heart. He further told Bhai Sahib that even then, perhaps, he would have kept the Sikh appearance, but if he had done that he would have lost the friendship and sympathy of his Hindu comrades and would not have received so much publicity in the press. After a two hour meeting with Bhai Sahib, he became a true Sikh at heart and later went to the gallows as a true believer in Sikhism. **************************************** Zakraya Khan, who made head-hunting a profitable business by offering a graded scale of rewards: a blanket for cutting off a Sikh's hair, ten rupees for information of the whereabouts of a Sikh, fifty rupees for a Sikh scalp. Sikhs or withholding information of their movements was made a capital offence. Zakraya's police scoured the countryside and brought back hundreds of Sikhs in chains. They were publicly beheaded at the nakhas, the horsemarket of Lahore, since then renamed Sahidganj (place of martyrdom), in memory of the dead. (After these acts, Turban Sikhs still survive) By the way, tomorrow is Bhai Taru Singh Jee's shaheedi diwas. A great GurSikh whose scalp was taken off, but his hair couldn't be cut off! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akalbir Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 I have heard so many reasons people have come up with about keeping kesh. Many are rather ridiculous and I have yet to see any scientific studies done. For myself, the simple fact that the 10th Nanak said to keep the kesh is good enough for me. He obviously had reason to do so or he wouldn't have done it. This gift makes me feel whole, this gift makes me feel empowered. I don't have a need to find some practical reasons. My reason is that my guruji said so. Here is a good article about the 5k's. It's a little long, but very good. It gave me goose bumps when I read it. http://khalsapride.com/ChickenSoup/8.htm akalbir 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mehtab Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 I have heard so many reasons people have come up with about keeping kesh. Many are rather ridiculous and I have yet to see any scientific studies done. For myself, the simple fact that the 10th Nanak said to keep the kesh is good enough for me. He obviously had reason to do so or he wouldn't have done it. This gift makes me feel whole, this gift makes me feel empowered. I don't have a need to find some practical reasons. My reason is that my guruji said so. Here is a good article about the 5k's. It's a little long, but very good. It gave me goose bumps when I read it. http://khalsapride.com/ChickenSoup/8.htm akalbirThe sign of a true GurSikh! Gurujee said it and thats it! Proud of you veeray! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xylitol Posted July 16, 2004 Report Share Posted July 16, 2004 That was an amazing post!!! One more reason for kesh: To become one with the Waheguru is the goal of Sikhism. To achieve this goal we need to have a Guru. Without a Guru one CANNOT achieve oneness with God/Guru. Getting Amrit Chuk is the initiation that joins us with the Guru. Part of the discipline that comes with Amrit is not removing kesh in any way. A violation of this discipline is a kurhait (cardinal sin) which makes a person an apostate (ie. a non-Sikh with no Guru). I've noticed that people sometimes get offended at this simple truth. I don't mean to offend, only to inform. Apologies if I've hurt any feelings. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akalbir Posted July 16, 2004 Report Share Posted July 16, 2004 I completely agree Xylitol. BTW isn't Xylitol a sweetener? akalbir 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orchids Posted July 16, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2004 Since everyone has addressed the hair quotes I will answer about the matted hair. Hindu sadhus make their hair into dread locks or matted hair. They cover themselves in the ashes of funeral pyres. If i'm not mistaken, this is a reason for the kanga. Sikhs have well groomed hair to be seperate from the sadhus. Just out of curiosity, are you looking for SGGS to have in it that we must have uncut hair? From the posted quotes, it doesn't appear to say that. What is important though is that Guru Gobind Singh Ji said that we shouldn't cut our hair. I'm sorry if I'm reading into your question. akalbir but the SGGS does not say directly dont cut hair 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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