amardeep Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 are ghosts, vampires and evil spirits an integral part of sikhism? :S sounds a bit weird to me 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
das Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 where it was said that ghosts are integral part of Sikhism??.....tomorrow someone will ask if "plants/animals" are integral part of Sikhism........ghosts etc. are integral part of 84 lakh jooni and NOT Sikhism. anyone having the 2nd tape, please upload it. das 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 Im just asking because i've heard a lot about this recently. Various stories of bibia from the uk being possesed by ghosts etc and then after taking amrit they are suddenly fine again 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
das Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 I don't know about the UK bibia cured after taking Amrit........but it is possible.......ghost/bad spirits are afraid of sat-sangat etc.....and having Amrit means a great deal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 I am still looking for the 2nd tape, mahapursh and care takers of rara sahib branch in hapur have this, not sure if they would share it with the sangat online. I request premis/sevadars of rara sahib branch of hapur to share this gem, since first one is out, might as well share the 2nd tape of suleman. it would be much beneficial for the sangat. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kam1825 Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 Not sure about the second tape but the below link http://www.gurmatveechar.org/audio/katha/0...t.da.Udhaar.mp3 is for the original suleman tape which is just 7 minutes short of two hours 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
das Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Will be tape be available if someone goes to Hapur branch (in their library)OR main Gurdwara Sahib in Rara Sahib? Is it something that we can get from library OR we need to request Sant Je there?? Actually my parents are coming from India this month and if available then they can get me one. Moreover, the link that Kam1825 has mentioned is the conversation between suleman and sangat that I already have. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matheen Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Don't know about the tape, but you can get the transcript (in book form) from Hapur. As far as I know (could be wrong!) the link posted by Kam is the complete version. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
das Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 I have the transcript (online PDF file), but the discussion which is written in the transcript is NOT available in the file (as posted by Kam1825). So, definetly there is 2nd file (if it was recorded at that time). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rishsafide Baba Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 I have the wax cylinder 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 I have the wax cylinder and your flipping point of this post? :roll: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matheen Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Just a quick point - I could be wrong, but I don't think there is a tape of Sant Ji speaking to Suleman. The person asking the questions is a member of the sangat. The reason why 2 tapes are mentioned is because the total recording was 113minutes (as at the link Kam posted). A tape can store max 90min. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Just had a very strong forna/urge to listen to 2nd tape of suleman, can anyone who is going to india go to hapur branch of rara sahib make this mission impossible possible? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matheen Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 N30, did you get the chance to compare the book with the tapes? What do you think of the book? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matheen Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 Bump. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 Does anyone know how the boy is doing? He must have needed to become some sort of Bhagat in order to get mukti. I heard a few years ago from a Rara Sahib Sangatee that the boy had become a typical Punjabi, anyone know if there is any truth to this... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matheen Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 He was told he would take 10 janams before getting mukti, but was happy with that considering the alternative. Last I heard, he was in the US. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 i have listened to the tape. Definitley it made me wanna do more nam simran and take my jeevan more seriously. the convo realy brings home the importantance of Murshid or Guru, and how islam duz not allow for this.is this convo something we should be spreading about or is it best to keep to oursleves? when i first played it i was kinda apprehensive cos i thought i was gona hear screaming and all that, but it wasnt scary at all. the words of the guy, however that if we dont make the best out of this life, is very scary tho. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
das Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 We should be spreading this out but in EXACT terms: * Do NOT spread that other religions are false. * Do NOT spread that in other religions you cannot have GURU. * Spread that having a TRUE GURU is a requirement. * Spread that there is GOD and we should spend some time in remembering HIM (through any religion). * Spread that all religions are equal because they are created in order to help us reach GOD and NOT to quarrel. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 "the convo realy brings home the importantance of Murshid or Guru, and how islam duz not allow for this" ? What do you mean... Murshid is an Islamic word, how can they not have Murshids... there is no Sufism without a Murshid, the same as there is no Sikhism without a Guru... With all due respect to the conversation that took place, I don't think its that important i.e. needs to be spread. Nothing can replace Gurus teachings and Gurus practices i.e. Paat, Kirtan, Kathaa, Ithihaas, Vichaar, Simran and Seva etc. These are the things that need to be spread - in their correct, intelligent ,passionate and beautiful forms. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matheen Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 "the convo realy brings home the importantance of Murshid or Guru, and how islam duz not allow for this" ? What do you mean... Murshid is an Islamic word, how can they not have Murshids... The point Pir Suleman was making is that you need a Guru who is mukt themselves. Only then can they show you the way. He names Pirs who reached very high avasthas but not the final one. We are very fortunate to have Guru Sahib. It is not politically correct to say some things, but the day you reach the avastha where you can see the non-physical world, alot of things will become clear. Shaheediyan Veer Ji, have you heard the recording? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 Yes, a long time ago. Of course we are lucky, our luck has no measure, but most of us lucky people waste this opportunity in any case. My point is that a simple reading of Gurbani tells us in every particle - that we are 'lucky' beyond measure - and that we shouldn't waste this opportunity. Anyhow, no big deal, if this conversation between a ghost and Sant helps people to converse with Gurbani, then all good, if it simply becomes their religion, then so be it, I am not talking about anyone here, but people I have personally known who are more interested in Sants personal experiences rather than Gurbani. Peace. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 Shaheediyan jee. suleman himself says that we are bound by sharia and there is no room for murshids. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 Chatanga veer, i m sure he was talking about sunni rather than shia or sufis. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 Exactly. People forget that he was only a jeev (albeit in another sphere) with personal/limited wordly experience. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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