singh khalistan da Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 It seems to me that sex is vied as an obstacle on the path to God. Some very religious Sikhs don't even look at girls, eventhough for sure they have sexual desires. It seems to me that they are depraving themselves from our basic need since this desire comes to us so naturally at puberty. How come that one cannot be fully sexually active and still be one with God? Why having sex in a room of the house would create negative energy if we would meditate in the same room? If that's the case then sex is seen as not pure. Is sex pure if we have honest intentions towards the person we are having sex with? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 There is a verse comes in kiran sohila sahib ji.. By meeting up on the saint, my sexual desires and greed get smashed into pieces (SGGS) akaal he akaaal 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaapaaraa Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 Waheguru 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K4ur Posted July 7, 2003 Report Share Posted July 7, 2003 Lifley duties are to live a gud life and have kids especially. You have to make them Sants... thats the whole point about kids. You dont have them so they MASH UP.... u make a deal with God saying give me children and i will make them your sons..... Nb: all the knowlege i have i can not take any of the gud wishe 4... only cus of the contact i have with a good sangat do i put my points across 2 u. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 What gurbani teaches us is not to repress kaam but to master it. If sexuality is such a harm to spirituality why then such an emphasis on grhasti marg? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAadmin Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 What gurbani teaches us is not to repress kaam but to master it. If sexuality is such a harm to spirituality why then such an emphasis on grhasti marg? Perhaps to reproduce... Perhaps for survival of Khalsa Panth ??? what you think veer ji??? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 If sex is only for reproduction why then do women have a clitoris. That organ only exists for pleasure. If you have any doubts about the subject then check Charitropakhyan, Guru Gobind SIngh's composition on the matter. I also suggest that men start realising that women do have emotional and physical needs and that they are not just there for "producing Khalsa warriors" !!!!!!!!!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugermach Singh Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 you got to master kaam krodh lob moh and hankar NOT abolish it, and to do it you need to understand it. to understand something you got to require knowlege about it. When you get into a fight to need anger, but don't let it control you, you control it. same with kaam, you need it, but dont let it control you, you control it. become the master of these and let them be your slaves. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAadmin Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 so shall i assume that you guys are talkin about sexual pleasures after marriage??? is anand karaj( two bodies but one soul) gives you authority to have sexual desires after marriage??? but not before marriage... whats the difference??? but i think sexual pleasures eithers its before marriage or after marriage is wrong. Hence verse from kirtan sohila (sggs) proves it... By meeting up on the saint, my sexual desires and greed get smashed into pieces (SGGS) lets see if anyone clears up my doubt and understandin on this matter..be very thankful 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 As long as you're not trying to spoil other's people legitimate pleasure in enjoying what Akal Purakh has created out of love for his creatures, that's fine! That's your opinion about the subject and I am not going to prevent you from repressing yourself though I think that's not very healthy! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaNaDiAn_jAtTi Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 Would u mind writing that in punjabi for me.... Just so that I can read it and interpret it myself.... english translations can be very subtle in their accidental manipulations of what is meant... punjabi is punjabi after all.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K4ur Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 After all Gurmukhi is Gurmukhi...... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 Actually I was not uqoting from somewhere, just myslef but if you want it in Panjabi...well je tuu dusre lokan da shauk jehra Akal Putakh jivanaan vaste banaaiaa nasht na kare tan thik hai saddu ban ja!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaNaDiAn_jAtTi Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 Lalleshvari ji I meant Neo Singh's quote from the kirtan sohila...unfortuately I guess my reply came after urs....but thanks anways 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K4ur Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 i think N3o's quote is the Very last line of Kirtan Sohila... not sure though!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 Lalleshvari ji I meant Neo Singh's quote from the kirtan sohila...unfortuately I guess my reply came after urs....but thanks anways "kaam krodh nagar baho bhairia mil sadhoo khandal khanda hay" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 yeah whatever! It's a uqestion of interpretation. Inall the puratan tike I never found evidence that Sikhi was for sexual repression! After all we're not Puritans or Wahabis 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaNaDiAn_jAtTi Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 If we're not supposed to have sexual pleasures, how come most of the Guru Ji's had most of their children after Gur Gaddhi... And don't say that it was for reproduction purposes only, because we all know that there is pleasure in it even if it is for making children... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narsingha Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 I wonder what the reaction would be when Charitropakyaan becomes more widely available to the Sikh youth? Linkz: http://www.sarbloh.info/htmls/durbar_dasam7.html http://www.sarbloh.info/htmls/durbar_dasam8.html http://www.sarbloh.info/htmls/durbar_dasam9.html *ponders* 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAadmin Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 Ok i want to know .. how come sggs and dggs contradicting each other... guroo ji have said to control the kaam and eliminate it eventually at the bhramgyan stage in sggs and at the some token guroo ji said in dasam guroo durbar not to repress sexual desires???? did guroo ji refering about balancing things then???? if narsingha, mugermach singh or lalleshwari can answer and clear my doubts on this matter i be thanful thanks in advance... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narsingha Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 Whoever said they are "contradicting" each other? :? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 It's about you mastering kaam instead of kaam being your master. And to master Kaam you need Kaamshaastar hence Charitropakhyan of Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsb Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 ok now, before we go on any fuirther....those two scripts which you have mentioned, are those 2 of the suspicious portions of Dasam Granth? what i mean is, that Dasam Granth is under heavy analyzation (i don't think that's a word...) we are aware that most of it is legit... are those two portions legit portions, or are they portions which might have been added in by Hindus? nowhere else is there any mention of the female genitalia, however in hinduism, is there not a goddess who has 100 of these? is there not an entire scripture, or a great portion of an entire scripture dedicated to sex and sexual organs in Hinduism? This type of thing was never discusses until Guru Gobind Singh Ji supposedly wrote it....that isn't to undermine his authority, but as we reach discussion on Dasam Granth, we should be aware that maybe it isn't all legit.... bhul chuk maaf karni gurfateh! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsb Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 oh and more so..... the first link that narsingha provides Literally translated, Charitropakhyan means 'wiles of women'. Roles of women (both good and bad) are highlighted in 404 chapters within this section. umm....EXCUSE ME?? ROLES OF WOMEN?? i'm guessing that could be just about anything what males do.... if we accept that as fact, then doesn't that totally illegitamize guru nanak's teaching of equality.... ROLES of Women.... it's so...degrading! and i'm not even female, so i'm guessing i'm not feeling the brunt of the pain here..... back to the topic..... personally..kaam after marriage is fine.... to me, it's like.. once you're married you've gotta be pretty mature, so it's not like it's gonna be an everyday type of thing or whatever.... and kaam is also defined as "sexual relations with anyone other than your wife" which is also one of the bujjar kureihts.. outside of marriage, it's wrong..and no matter where you go ,it'll always say outside of wedlock , or outseide of marriage, except the AKJ maryada. gurfateh! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugermach Singh Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 sikhs beleive in equality, just not the same way as goreh. Our equality is also based on practicality, women are just better at some things and men are at others. But we are still equal, also if a women or man wants to swap duities/roles they can. But women are better in some cases and men are better in others. Also, roles of a women, i dont think it means what a women can do or cant, or should and shouldn't but more to the fact of what they are capable of doing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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