Sukhi Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 ... okay, i guess i'll go first then... i don't think there's anything wrong with using contraception for either of the reasons that Pheena put up. please see my reply way up above on this page for more info into why. oh and just to let you know, i'm not exactly anti-abortion either. let's get a discussion going people... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guv Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 i agree... ... great discussion so far. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gupy Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 so to sum up are we saying we have two bases of opinion: 1. Sex is only for procreation, in which case contraception should not be used (unless for medical reasons relating to mensuration etc...). 2. Sex is for more than procreation, in which case contraception is fine. If their is another posibility please state it. Also i think this boils down to your definition of wrods such as Kaam. What is Kaam??? Again relative to the above options: 1. Kaam is the act of sex when procreation is not in mind. I.e. kaam is basically all sex without the 'pratical intention' of having a children. 2. Kaam is sexual desire, where as sex with a legitimate partner is not a 'lust' because it is an expression of love for the other. (feel free to expnad on this one!) Last q - is there a difference between (again relative to original two options) 1. Sex 2. Making Love. (My opinion : option no.2 all the way ...) But what do you think ??? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narsingha Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 Actions speak louder than words.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sukhi Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 hmmm... well i think it's been established earlier on in this thread that kaam isn't limited to sexual desire. kaam is desire, pure and simple. whether it's lust for sex, for things that are pink (beast comes to mind here), or whatever else. the point is not to let kaam control everything you do. we're not supposed to let it take over our lives. having said that, i think that for a married couple it's important that they have sex/make love however they want, simply because i think it's an important part of their relationship. it's not the ONLY important part of their relationship. but it's there nonetheless. and i'm gonna let someone else continue on from here... lol... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tableji Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 i totally agree with the above....intimacy is an important part of a relationship and i guess it helps to build the bond between the couple aswell....there is nothing wrong with wanting to enjoy urself and help your other half enjoy his/herself too... as with all things in life...we all do things that we think will make us happy.....sex on its own isnt enuff...also ive heard many times how a bad sex life can damage a relationship.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Thanks pheena for this..amazing stuff ..quite an eye opener. Once I was on a journey and someone asked me which word in a man's vocabulary was the most valuable. My reply was, "Love". The man was surprised. He said he had expected me to answer "soul" or "God". I laughed and said, "Love is God." Raising on the ray of love one can enter the enlightened kingdom of God. It is better to say that love is God than to say that truth is God, because the harmony, the beauty, the vitality and the bliss that are part of love are not part of truth. Truth is to be known; love is to be felt as well as known. The growth and perfection of love lead to the ultimate merger with God. The greatest poverty of all is the absence of love. The man who has not developed the capacity to love lives in a private hell of his own. A man who is filled with love is in heaven. You can look at man as a wonderful and unique plant, a plant that is capable of producing both nectar and poison. If a man lives by hate he reaps a harvest of poison; if he lives by love he gathers blossoms laden with nectar. If I mold my life and live it with the well-being of all men in mind, that is love. Love results from the awareness that you are not separate, not different from anything else in existence. I am in you; you are in me. This love is religious. The doors of love only open for the person who is prepared to let his ego go. To surrender one's ego for someone else is love; to surrender one's ego for all is divine love. Love is not sexual passion. Those who mistake sex for love remain empty of love. Sex is only a passing manifestation of love. It is part of nature's mechanism, a method of procreation. Love exists on a higher plane, and as love grows, sex dissipates. The energy that has been manifested in sex is transformed into love. Love is the creative refinement of sex energy. And so, when love reaches perfection, the absence of sex automatically follows. A life of love, an abstinence from physical pleasures is called brahmacharya, and anyone who wishes to be free from sex must develop his capacity to love. Freedom from sex cannot be achieved through supression. Liberation from sex is only possible through love. I have said that love is God. This is the ultimate truth. But let me say as well that love also exists within the family unit. This is the first step on the journey to love, and the ultimate can never happen if the beginning has been absent. Love is responsible for the existence of the family and when the family unit moves apart and its members spread out into society, love increases and grows. When a man's family has finally grown to incorporate all of mankind, his love becomes one with God. Without love man is an individual, an ego. He has no family; he has no link with other people. This is gradual death. Life, on the other hand, is interrelation. Love surpasses the duality of the ego. This alone is truth. The man who thirsts for truth must first develop his capacity to love—to the point where the difference between the lover and the beloved disappears and only love remains. When the light of love is freed from the duality of lover and the beloved, when it is freed from the haze of seer and seen, when only the light of pure love shines brightly, that is freedom and liberation. I urge all men to strive for that supreme freedom. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amrikingh Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 great to read' 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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