savinderpalsingh Posted December 1, 2014 Report Share Posted December 1, 2014 and this is your answer by sant rampur khere wale http://rampurkhera.com/audiobooks/Gurmat_De_Paandhi/003-Gur_Ki_Mehmaa.mp3 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savinderpalsingh Posted December 1, 2014 Report Share Posted December 1, 2014 hazar unus in hadis habibi it is mentioned in Hadis Habibi. Arrival of Guru Nanak was also prophesised in Bavikhat Purana . Hazrat Naimat ullah Shah Wali , a fakir wrote His name would be NANAK. Populace will give attention to him. This powerful Fakeer [seer] will become famous. 26 shaloks of agman of Guru nanak dev ji mentioned in bhavish puran . thousands of year before he was born 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chzS1ngh Posted December 1, 2014 Report Share Posted December 1, 2014 where there is no Ego....only God remains... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koi Posted December 1, 2014 Report Share Posted December 1, 2014 hazar unus in hadis habibi it is mentioned in Hadis Habibi. Arrival of Guru Nanak was also prophesised in Bavikhat Purana . Hazrat Naimat ullah Shah Wali , a fakir wrote His name would be NANAK. Populace will give attention to him. This powerful Fakeer [seer] will become famous. 26 shaloks of agman of Guru nanak dev ji mentioned in bhavish puran . thousands of year before he was born Just to add, read Gurmat De Paandhi By Sant Sewa Singh Ji I think it's page 10, but it mentions all these things 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sahib Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 .god has no friends or enemies he heeds no hallejahs nor cares about cures .being the first and timeless how can he manifest himself through those who are born and die -guru gobind singh ji 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savinderpalsingh Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 but he loves those who chant his name and follow his hukam 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsingh6 Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Sahib jee, please be careful with your word usage - Guru Gobind singh sahib was never born, his was a Prakash ( Bhaee Prakash Hamaro...bichitar natak). therefore, he has never and will never die..he is just "alooop" and visible to those follow his rehat and remember him .. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Please look at this post, absolute meaning of nanak: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post harsharan000 Posted December 12, 2014 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 (edited) .god has no friends or enemies he heeds no hallejahs nor cares about cures . being the first and timeless how can he manifest himself through those who are born and die -guru gobind singh ji I am sorry, but I must say, we take things literally. We fail to know the esence of things. Sahib Jee, what makes you think, He can not manifest Himself through a living being? He has been doing so, since aad jugaad. It is our limited vision, for which we think, the way we think and express ourselves .... Just let us stop a bit and think a liitle bit..... and ask ourselves questions like: Who or what is Akal Purukh? What for, does He need, to come to our level? How does He come, and manifest Himself ? The answers are as follows, maybe there are some memebers in the sangat who can give their valuable opinions, but as these are mine own, which I would like to share with the blessed sangat here: 1) Wahiguru Akal Purukh is not something physical, not even mental, He is beyond that. And above all, He is a level of Highest Consciousness, Energy, He is an Infinte Ocean of Love, mercy and Grace....These are His main virtues, many have described Hm also as Omnipresent, Omniscient and Omnipotent. And still others say: He is Ouch se Oucha, the Highest; Apaar, Unfathomable; Beant, Infinite; Soami, the Lord Master of everything. The Bani says: Sochay soch na hovaee, jeh sochae lak vaar. One can not come to comprehend Him, if you think again again, hundreds of thousands of times 2) He comes to our human level, just for us, souls, His jeevas.... Why? To make us know the Truth, which otherwise would be impossible. Because in our presemt state, we are surrounded by maya, and overpowered by kaal, and his ministers: kaam, krodh, lobh, moh and ahankar...plus the chains upon us of countless karmas...just imagine, since we left Sach Khand, since aeons, we have been just collecting karmas, so we have an unlimited unpayable account on our heads. So brothers, sincerely speaking, we have not even a remote chance to escape by our own efforts, and reach Him, it is just unimaginable for us. That is the reason, when we want to meditate on Him and close our eyes, we see nothing but darkness, so we just give up, and prefer not to do this bhakti, rather many other practices.... and through the Bani, we know, if we do not do this Bhakti, there is no liberation either ..... But what do we moorkhs do? We do our own maanmat. Thus we never ever, lay at His dooor as kookars even.... Then too, we proudly say, we are sikhs... Being a sikh is very great thing, it is the begining of our returning Home, but unfortunately, we just put a sticker on us, that we are sikhs of the Guru, but the fact is, it is far from reality, and we just pass our lives fooling around, with politics, land, rituals, wars, hatred, intolerance, manmukhta....etc. And the only one thing which the Bani repeats constantly, we overlook it: Awar kaaj, tere kiteh na kaam, mil Sadh Sangat, bhaj kewal Naam. So, when we close our eyes to do bhajan bandagee, the unavoidable darkness we see, it is nothing, but, the blackness of our own countless karmas, otherwise, as some mahapurukhs have said, our soul has the light of sixteen suns.... So if we never wash our karmas with His Simran; how will, or when will that darkness star becoming lesser? Of course never.... So one of the reasons of their coming is, to reveal us the secrets(bhed) of Naam, so that we leave our stupidity, and catch hold of that Shabad, by unfolding it within ourselves, and after cleaning ourselves, and becoming spotless, we board the Jaaz of Naam and retrun back to our Nijh Ghar, Sach Khand and finally merge in Him, and becoming one with Him. 3) As we know He is a level of consciousness, He is not anything material. So He has to come at our physical level, so that, we may understand Him. If He comes as a devi or devta, we can not see them. if He comes as an animal, bird or trees, we can not understand them, moreover, they are below the mankind level, which is considered the highest among the beings, even higher than the gods or devis. devtas, who starve to get once again the human birth to do the right bhajan bandagee, and merge in Him. So you see, He has to talk with us, in our own languages, so that we may understand the higher Truths of Shabd, of Naam, of Satnam... The changes/differences among different beings, are mainly at the consciousness level, otherwise, we all have more or less the same heights, two eyes, one nose, hands, legs, etc In the same way, when Wahiguru decides to dwell among us for our spiritual uplift, He manifests Himself, in the forms of Bhagats, Sadhs, Sant Janas, Guru Sahibans... If we look at these holy supreme beings, outwardly, they look like any one of us, there is hardly any differnce, there is nothing, which denotes their superiority... Neither do they dress in a particular way ... Neither it is like in the army, that their unforms have badges or marks to show their ranks .... So then where/what is that quality which distinguishes them? It is as said befor at the consciouss level, while we are entagled with the world and maya, they are in tune with the inner reality, in constant communion with the Shabad Guru; their rom rom vibrates with Naam. That is why the Bani says: Har Jee baseh Sadh ke hirdey. Though hirdey is heart, but here the Bani does not refer to the heart, which is just a muscle, a piece of flesh, rather it means, that, that Supreme Power and Consciousness, has come to abide, with the soul consciousness of that being, that is why it can talk so precisely, about Wahiguru and Sach Khand, if this was not so, how would anybody know about Him? Of course never ever, cause Kaal in his domains, has laid all sort of powerful traps, so that the soul may never ever think even by mistake of Wahiguru Akal Purukh. You see, all this happens within. Wahiguru descends from His abode within, whenever He thinks fit so, and when He decides to finish His mission on earth here, He just goes from within along with that particular ray of His, in that particular body, back to Sach Khand. The body is, just consciousless, is just a handful of dust, and there it returns, when disposed of. It is we people who see the Guru Sahibans or Bhagats in the sargun swaroop, and tend to take them as individual beings, when the fact is, they are related to Wahiguru(Ocean), just as are the waves(sargun swaroop) to that ocean. The waves take a shape and size, and seem they are separated for a time being, from the Ocean, but the fact is, that is just an illusion, because they are very much part and parcel of the Ocean in essence, but return and become one with the ocean, once their mission of coming here is fulfilled. And we all know, the waves never stop emerging from the Ocean, they keep coming, nobody can stop them, if even if some want to.., A wave emerges, from the sea at the seashore for a time being.... It returns back in the Ocean becoming One with It, and while this is happening, another wave is preparing to come at the seashore for a particular time being.... Different waves having enmerged at different times may look different in sizes, shapes or slightly different colors, but in essence they are same like the Ocean. This is no man made law. This is the Divine Nature´s law, which no man, no god can change... As long as there is a shore, waves will be coming from the Ocean. This is due only to His Grace, Mercy and unlimited unconditional Love for us jeevas. Sat Sree Akal. Edited December 12, 2014 by harsharan000 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chzS1ngh Posted December 17, 2014 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 (edited) maybe i am getting confused here... but surely gurbani explains this clearly.... there is 'only' God...nothing else.... only god takes form, then leaves form...he comes as a tree, a person, an animal, an insect...as the fisherman...and the fish...as the air, as the fire...all is him... he creates his creation and then enjoys it... it is only our ego sense which makes us think He is something seperate...that I am Me, and God is He...two seperate entities...but it is all an illusion...in this age of kalyug the sense of Ego is HUGE...where these bubbles of God consciousness question walking through endless life cycles have completely forgotton their true selves (God) and now question the existence of God...through ignorance...so now we hate each other, fight each other, back stab each other...want more money than the other...etc etc etc through Simran we can reduce the ego sense...and as that reduces...God Blossoms forth. It was 'and is' always God that was here all along, Simran(remembering) awakens us to our true reality...god consciousness...that all is Him...that we may see what the Guru Ji's saw....God and nothing but God...and then maybe we can return to loving one another (god), helping one another (God) not competing with one another (God)..etc etc It is not just a saying when we say 'See god in all' ... one day we will literally 'See god in all' what an amazing creation...we cannot even fathom it...our Ego will not allow us to...only hearing his Shabad can pull our attention from being ignorant, back to seeing Him. Edited December 17, 2014 by chzS1ngh 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BhagatSingh Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 Chaz Everything you said is pretty much true. Where is the confusion? and confusion about what? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chzS1ngh Posted December 24, 2014 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 Chaz Everything you said is pretty much true. Where is the confusion? and confusion about what? Well it seems there is discussion into whether Guru Nanak Dev ji was God himself.... if there is discussion about it then people are wondering if he was or wasn't Only God exists...Gurbani is very clear about it...therefore Guru Nanak Dev ji was.... therefore We all are...therefore everything is... only our Ego gives us a feeling of being seperate...Ego is amazing in that it allows the experience of the 'many' and allows us to have so many experiences as a seperate entity (illusion)...but problem is in this age Ego is stronger than the knowledge of 'God is the only entity' ... therefore majority of people question Gods existance...and run around aimlessly.. Ego has us fooled and Ego makes us forget of who we really are (God...all of us, and everything, and everything beyond...unlimited) therefore the Question of 'Was Guru Nanak God himself' is mute...He Was...because Ego was at a complete minimum and connection from the Ego (individual state) to the supreme state was 100% formed. We all have that capability...and thats what Simran is For..Simran - remembering... Just my thoughts about what Gurbani states...nothing more.. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BhagatSingh Posted December 25, 2014 Report Share Posted December 25, 2014 Well said! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnSikhGirl Posted January 2, 2015 Report Share Posted January 2, 2015 ChzS1ngh Ji, WJKK WJKF, You always amaze me. You and I think absolutely alike with regards to reality, our existence and our true identity! SGGSJ Ang 60 ਸੋਹੰ ਆਪੁ ਪਛਾਣੀਐ ਸਬਦਿ ਭੇਦਿ ਪਤੀਆਇ ॥ Sohaʼn āp pacẖẖāṇī▫ai sabaḏ bẖeḏ paṯī▫ā▫e. One who recognizes within himself that, "He is me", and who is pierced through by the Shabad, is satisfied. ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਆਪੁ ਪਛਾਣੀਐ ਅਵਰ ਕਿ ਕਰੇ ਕਰਾਇ ॥੯॥ Gurmukẖ āp pacẖẖāṇī▫ai avar kė kare karā▫e. ||9|| When one becomes Gurmukh and realizes his own self, what more is there left to do or have done? ||9|| maybe i am getting confused here... but surely gurbani explains this clearly.... there is 'only' God...nothing else.... only god takes form, then leaves form...he comes as a tree, a person, an animal, an insect...as the fisherman...and the fish...as the air, as the fire...all is him... he creates his creation and then enjoys it... it is only our ego sense which makes us think He is something seperate...that I am Me, and God is He...two seperate entities...but it is all an illusion...in this age of kalyug the sense of Ego is HUGE...where these bubbles of God consciousness question walking through endless life cycles have completely forgotton their true selves (God) and now question the existence of God...through ignorance...so now we hate each other, fight each other, back stab each other...want more money than the other...etc etc etc through Simran we can reduce the ego sense...and as that reduces...God Blossoms forth. It was 'and is' always God that was here all along, Simran(remembering) awakens us to our true reality...god consciousness...that all is Him...that we may see what the Guru Ji's saw....God and nothing but God...and then maybe we can return to loving one another (god), helping one another (God) not competing with one another (God)..etc etc It is not just a saying when we say 'See god in all' ... one day we will literally 'See god in all' what an amazing creation...we cannot even fathom it...our Ego will not allow us to...only hearing his Shabad can pull our attention from being ignorant, back to seeing Him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harsharan000 Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 On 7/2/2006 at 10:38 PM, amardeep said: do you consider Guru Nanak the creator of the world? Dear brother Amardeep, it would be better if we say, that the Creator Himself, assumed a limited form as a Guru, for us limited beings, in order to teach us the Higher Truth in our own terms. ਗੁਰੁ ਗੋਪਾਲੁ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਭਗਵਾਨੁ ॥ Gur Gopaal Purakh Bhagavaan || The Guru is the Lord of the World, the Primal Being, the Lord God. Raag Gond Guru Arjan Dev He Waheguru Akal Purukh, is Alakh Purukh, is Nirala, is Agam Purukh, thus not perceived, not only by any our indriyas, but our spiritual sight is also taped by our karmas, vikars, sanskaras...... So you see, not only He is subtle, thus not perceived as said above, but neither we have any such instruments to reveal Him, for we are spiritually blind, thus all our actions are futile. He also, in His original form is in a way to say, He is limited, for however He may much want, we can never ever have His darshan, nor profit from His akhoot Jot. So He comes at our level as a human being like us, which is considered the top of the creation. He comes as a Guru, as Guru Sahiban, because He, our True Father and Mother, can not resist Himself, when He hears our terrible wails of pain and despair due to our own karmas, for that is what in reality exists in the mayavee creation. And His greatness is such, that in spite of being omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent, He respects His Hukum, His bhaana, in terms of His own created laws of nature. He does not display any supernatural powers, that is not His character, unlike the avtars of gods, godesses, or other spiritual entities. His purpose of coming here, is only to make us know about His true reality of Nam or Shabad, and to make us foolish agyanis understand, that Nam is the only eternal and unchangeable Truth that exits, and is the only boat, the only vessel, which by boarding on, we can cross from the false and perishable creation of Brahm, to the other side of the shore, where only eternity and True bliss exists, namely Sach Khand. ਗੁਰੁ ਬੋਹਿਥੁ ਤਾਰੇ ਭਵ ਪਾਰਿ ॥ Gur Bohithh Thaarae Bhav Paar || The Guru is the boat to cross over the terrifying world-ocean. So you see, if the Guru is the boat to cross the maha bhavsagar, it is just but natural, that He Waheguru, assumes the form of a Guru to take our souls across, isn´t it? The glory or mahima of Guru and Gobind is apaar, words fail to describe Him, He is beyond any description.... Stay blessed. SSA. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harsharan000 Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 Well , regarding the title of this thread the Bani clearly says: AAPAY SATGUR AAPAY HAR AAPAY MEL MILAWE This means, He Himself is the Satguru, He Himself is the Lord, and He himself reunites us with Him. Thus paying attention to the Bani in the verse above, we can confidendtly say: Guru Nanak was God Himself. SSA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Yes Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 Obviously. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Yes. Posted April 13, 2020 Report Share Posted April 13, 2020 Guru Nanak is God, we are not. are we all part of the unified field of consciousness? Sure, doesn’t make us the Almighty One. Lol don’t be a new-age loser 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarabatam Posted December 6, 2020 Report Share Posted December 6, 2020 Off course he is pooran Nirankar himself. This thread might help 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness11 Posted April 27, 2021 Report Share Posted April 27, 2021 On 12/24/2014 at 12:47 PM, chzS1ngh said: Well it seems there is discussion into whether Guru Nanak Dev ji was God himself.... if there is discussion about it then people are wondering if he was or wasn't Only God exists...Gurbani is very clear about it...therefore Guru Nanak Dev ji was.... therefore We all are...therefore everything is... only our Ego gives us a feeling of being seperate...Ego is amazing in that it allows the experience of the 'many' and allows us to have so many experiences as a seperate entity (illusion)...but problem is in this age Ego is stronger than the knowledge of 'God is the only entity' ... therefore majority of people question Gods existance...and run around aimlessly.. Ego has us fooled and Ego makes us forget of who we really are (God...all of us, and everything, and everything beyond...unlimited) therefore the Question of 'Was Guru Nanak God himself' is mute...He Was...because Ego was at a complete minimum and connection from the Ego (individual state) to the supreme state was 100% formed. We all have that capability...and thats what Simran is For..Simran - remembering... Just my thoughts about what Gurbani states...nothing more.. Ego is an illusion. We’re all One, there’s only One. We fools in ego just run around deluded. When we finally sit in our trueselves, we understand that there is no high or low or seperatedness. We are One, we’re in God he’s In Us. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sher Singh Posted April 27, 2021 Report Share Posted April 27, 2021 What nonsense is this. Water in clouds is pure, but when that very water falls on mud or potty it gets impure. So please stop your bakwaas, only soul atmas, reaching Sach Khand merge and become one with Him, not otherwise. Or if He decides to come at our level as Guru Sahiban or Gurmukh Jan, then too, that Spirit in that body is the Jot of Waheguru. And also stick to the topic of this thread of Guru Nanak as God, and not the rest of any of us. Just stop your kalyugi corrupted manmat. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok Posted April 29, 2021 Report Share Posted April 29, 2021 On 4/28/2021 at 2:48 AM, Guest Sher Singh said: What nonsense is this. Water in clouds is pure, but when that very water falls on mud or potty it gets impure. So please stop your bakwaas, only soul atmas, reaching Sach Khand merge and become one with Him, not otherwise. Or if He decides to come at our level as Guru Sahiban or Gurmukh Jan, then too, that Spirit in that body is the Jot of Waheguru. And also stick to the topic of this thread of Guru Nanak as God, and not the rest of any of us. Just stop your kalyugi corrupted manmat. Incorrect. We are all one with him. We have to realise this through naam. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted April 29, 2021 Report Share Posted April 29, 2021 7 hours ago, ragnarok said: Incorrect. We are all one with him. We have to realise this through naam. What does Nikalank Avtar mean? Who is Nikalank Avtar in Kalyug? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sher Singh Posted April 29, 2021 Report Share Posted April 29, 2021 8 hours ago, ragnarok said: Incorrect. We are all one with him. We have to realise this through naam. No, it is not incorrect at all. Denying the truth and not wanting to accept it does not take one anywhere. As you say, only through Nam japna, one washes away one´s haume and all karam, then only one gets purified and is ready to merge in Him, otherwise He is also here and we are also in the unending wheel of 84 (briths and deaths). It is ok what you say, that through Nam, one realizes Him, but then, your own idea is your contradiction also, for it implies, unless you do Nam japna, you will never get that realization. Mere theories take you nowhere. For example, I know if I am thristy I need to drink water, but, unless I drink water, how can my thirst be quenched? No matter how much I believe water will quench it, but if instead one drinks wine or any other drink than water, how can you say your thirst will be quenched? The evidence is here and on many of apnay forums, see how many do Nam japna as per Gurbani? People prefer to repeat hundreds of other practices as seen, rather than do Nam japna, so then brother how will one ever get that purification and realization? The bani says: Bahut janam vichuray teh Madhao, ehe janam Tumhare lekhay. If we are one with Him, why would the Bani say that we have been away from Him since countless births, and in this very human birth I will do the Nam japna to reunite my soul with You O Lord. You accept that He is pure and perfect and changeless, and as per your theory we are Him, why would the Bani say the following verses. hum mailay tum oojal kartay ham nirgun too Daataa. We are filthy, and You are immaculate, O Creator Lord; we are worthless, and You are the Great Giver. ham moorakh tum chatur si-aanay too sarab kalaa kaa gi-aataa. ||1|| We are fools, and You are wise and all-knowing. You are the knower of all things. maaDho ham aisay too aisaa. O Lord, this is what we are, and this is what You are. So you see Guru Jee is Himself telling us how we are when separated from Him, and how He is in His true state and nature. Now, do not you or anybody tell me that you know more than Guru Jee. For if you say anything as seen above, then we are true moorakhs by trying too equate ourselves with Him without being so. So sad, without reading or understanding the Bani, we prpoagate our own theories and dilute the teachings of Gurbani, then too we tell others you are incorrect. I admit I can be incorrect sometimes in some aspects for no one is perfect, but when it comes to Gurbani, I will not tolerate any manipulations regarding the pure teachings of Guru Jee. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunnySingh Posted April 29, 2021 Report Share Posted April 29, 2021 2 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said: What does Nikalank Avtar mean? Who is Nikalank Avtar in Kalyug? Hello Veer Jee, regarding your question above, found the following information on the net: THE COMING OF NIKALANK AVATAR: A MESSIANIC THEME IN SOME SECTARIAN TRADITIONS OF NORTH-WESTERN INDIA Journal of Indian Philosophy 25: 401-426, 1997. (c) 1997 Kluwer Academic Publishers. Printed in the Netherlands. Dominique-Sila Khan In the literary tradition associated with a few "obscure" religious movements of Rajasthan and Gujarat[1] one finds a number of prophetic songs the central motifs of which are of an eschatological and messianic nature. They describe the end of the world or rather, according to Hindu beliefs, the cataclysms and disasters preceding the dissolution (pralaya) of the universe at the end of the fourth cosmic Age (Kali yuga) before a new Era begins.[2] The advent of a saviour and restorer of justice in the form of Vishnu's tenth incarnation is also predicted, although, unlike the Epic and Puranic Kalki, he is referred to as Nikalank Avatar. Hope it satisfies your query somehow. Anyhow, if you or anyone wants to read more about it, following is the link : http://www.ismaili.net/Source/nikaintro.html. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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