happy Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 there are various texts talking about Shia warriors and there bond with the sword, however the names of these warriors has not been mentioned could anyone who may know something please post a reply thanks much appreciated :D 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Javanmard Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 which texts? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy Posted August 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 im not sure of the names now i came across them some time back and i also came across a name for a sword which they respect and treat as holy i think it was called the dufgiqar or something like that anyway thanks for the input javanmard do you know of anything like this as you come across as knowing about them from the previous posts that you have sent replies to; or does anyone know anything for that matter 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted August 22, 2006 Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 Happy I am asking you for the names of the texts. Where they Sikh texts or Shi'a texts? Otherwise I can't give you a proper reply. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy Posted August 22, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 im pretty sure that they were shia texts..i though you meant names of the actual texts that i read thanks 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted August 22, 2006 Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 can you look up and tell me which texts? And how did you get to know these texts? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy Posted August 22, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 what is this the spanish inquisition, i cant remember the names of the text or where i saw them this was some time back, im sure you alreday kno wthe answers to my question if you are willing to provide answers i appreciate if not that too i appreciate im just asking a simple questions and not to be under the spotlight 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted August 22, 2006 Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 Happy wrote: what is this the spanish inquisition? No need to react like that. The Spanish Inquisition was a failed attempt to imitate me.I just don't like when people take me for a ride. Happy wrote: i cant remember the names of the text or where i saw them this was some time back The issue of the Shi'a warriors is so specific that it actually is mentioned only in very specialised literature on Shi'ism which would mean that you already are extremely knowledgeable in Islamic studies. And if you have read them then you would remember the names of sources because they are quite unique. What probably happened like is that you heard about it from a certain Ustad Ji like who teaches a certain shastarvidya like and you don't remember how they're called like. Happy wrote: im sure you alreday kno wthe answers to my question if you are willing to provide answers i appreciate if not that too i appreciate im just asking a simple questions and not to be under the spotlight 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy Posted August 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 thnaks for the information much appreciated, i read something on these particular warriors sometime back around a year or so ago on an email link that a friend from canada had sent me it originally started off as a sufi link and ended up to shia warriors....and as for teh spanish inquisition it was a JOKE mate so take it easy man.......by the way i do not know who you think i am where you state that i have heard this from a shater vidhya ustad....the ionly martial arts that i do is ju jitsu.....and finally where i claimed that i KNOW that you know the answers was simply because of your replies to variuos other posts regarding shiaism and so fourth ...so kindly i ask you dont get youre pantios in a twist and let go of the parania, no one is taking you for a ride.....oh by the way smoking marijuana will ease off any pressure or parania but hey too much can cause excessive parania so take it easy my nigger hehehe thats a joke as well :D 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy Posted August 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 thats was meant to say PARANOIA not parania hehe silly me 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 you got your reply, keep the insults to yourself. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy Posted August 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 oh and another thing mr mrs ms or whatever your title is javanmard i have already seen you get all agro over things; which i have no idea about, on this website on another forum sometime back, please do not start the same theatric with me i am simply asking questions thats all so please dont confuse youreself and mistake me for someone else if you have issues, which from your reaction to other posts you clearly do, i suggest you take it up with the people in question not with someone who is just trying to be friendly....by the way this is not to be taken offensively thanks :D my names not happy for no reason :D 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy Posted August 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 they are not insults now son, i have told you im just trying to be friendly :D 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 Fine mr. happy, but keep your "son" and other condescending language to yourself. Thank you. Just being friendly. btw oh by the way smoking marijuana will ease off any pressure or parania but hey too much can cause excessive parania telling an amritdhari singh to smoke weed is not being friendly But guess what, I am in a good mood so...relax and be happy, happy! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron-Singh Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 The names of the knights of Imam Mahdi (fa) are called the khulasah or mukhlissin i.e. the pure or purified ones. As you will notice it is from the same root as Khalsa namely KH-L-S. The Khulasah will be Imam Mahdi's knights and his companions. According to Numani's hadith collection on the Ghayba, they will not cut their hair (and specifically not their moustaches) and will wear dark clothes (blue or black). Imam Mahdi (fa) will come wih the Dhulfaqar (or zulfiqar), the heavenly sword of Imam Ali (as). Shi'ism has a long history of chivalry beginning with the Prophet (saws) and Imam Ali (as) but reaching way back to Zoroastrian chivalry of which Hazrat Salman (as) was the link. Shi'a chivalry orders have existed as military organisations until modern times but theu rituals have persisted in Shi'a Sufi orders. The initiation ritual consisted in drinking water (salted or sweeted) or even wine (in the case of the Alevi Qizilbash) in a steel bowl. The initiate had to give his head to God and take vows of chivalry such as protecting the weak, giving justice, be courages, not fearing death etc. sounds like the exact description of Guru Gobind Singh ji's Khalsa. what do present day shia's think of khalsa sikhs (if they know about them) in light of this hadith? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 Bingo mingo! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 Well depends on the Shi'as and their level of education. Educated and open minded ullema are pleasantly intrigued and try to learn more about Sikhi, others think that the Gurus are the Ahl ul Bayt of India mentioned in authentic hadiths of Imam Jaffar (as), and one even said that we were the "lost tribe of Imam Mahdi" and that probably we are here to prepare humanity for his return by infusion the spirit of chivalry back into the great religious traditions. In any case my relations with Shi'as have always been excellent, but that's also because I love Ahl ul Bayt (as) a well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron-Singh Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 can you elaborate on the "Ahl ul Bayt of India"? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 In several hadith of Imam Jaffar as Sadiq (as) there is the mention of the Ahl ul Bayt of India. The hadith normally go as follows: "Only two groups of people know the supreme name of God: us the Ahl ul Bayt of the Arabs and the Ahl ul Bayt of India." Now let us look at the Ahl ul Bayt of the Arabs: 14 people, all pure divine beings of Light, manifestations of that same divine Light and manifestation of God's attributes. Does India have an equivalent in any of it's other religions apart Sikhism? NO! Our Gurus: 10 people, all pure divine beings of Light, manifestations of that same divine Light and saguna (with attributes) manifestations of God. AND...they have the supreme name of God too! The Shi'a (most of them scholars or learning to be scholars) with whom I have discussed this have agreed that the Ahl ul Bayt of India are most probably the Gurus. This implies that from their point of view a.we practise a divinely sanctioned religious tradition b. that the two traditions in essence don't conflict with one another. Differences of practises are surely there but practically identical doctrines (with variations) are shared and the same ethos of chivalry runs through both. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy Posted August 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 hey when did i say for you to smoke it i just simply stated that smoking it eases off pressure thats all :D 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy Posted August 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 thats was some great stuff javanmard excellent, but a question arises if the shias and the skihs are practically the same then why have two separate 'religions' why not all be muslim or sikh from what youre saying its the same thing anyway thanks 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 Why are the fingers of your hand different in size even though they serve the same purpose? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy Posted August 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 its scientfically proven that each finger is specifically designed in order for the hand to be able to grip tear and so fourth 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 Thank you for reminding me not to use analogy. The question of whether or not convert to Islam is your problem no mine. As for me true Islam is as valid a way to God than Sikhi. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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