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As you will be aware, there are some groups or individuals which pride themselves on the notion that we are all going against Allah as we do not follow the Holy Qur'an as it is the Word of Allah..

What would the people on this forum input regarding this???

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John - perhaps you could share your thoughts on the subject?

My "experience" to date with the majority of Muslims I have met, regardless of their leanings (Shia, Sunni, Sufi etc) has usually been largely a case of "I feel it is my duty as a good Muslim to let you know that Islam is the only true way and that as a Sikh you are being misled"...granted, those of Sunni leaning tend to have a more pronounced attitude in expressing this.

Muslims who have typically not expressed this (again from all "camps" so to speak and backgrounds, i.e. Arab, Pakistani, Indian, Lebanese etc) and interact with me without particular concern for Religion have tended to be what some may describe as 'moderate' or plain 'irreligious' (i.e. partake in alcohol, not regular with Nimaz, wear regular 'western' attire etc etc)...

Again, this is my 'experience' of Muslims, however I will refrain from judging the entire community on this basis with regard to your question...

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Niranjana, thank you for your input, ATLEAST YOU WERE BOTHERED.

I would ask a number of questions to the person who put fourth that claim to you:

1. Where this person states 'as a Sikh you are being misled, I would ask; misled from what?

2. Islam is the notion of and means as well as requires Submission to Allah, so Islam or Submission of oneself to Allah Almighty IS the only way to attain Allah?

3. Find me a quote from ANY of the Great Satgurus which ISNT about Islam-Submission to Allah

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The following is an extract from SikhiWiki.org :-

Jaap Sahib is made up of 199 verses and is the first Bani of the Dasam Granth (p.1-10). The Jaap Sahib begins with "Sri Mukhwakh Patshahi Dasvee," "By the holy mouth of the Tenth King." This appears to be a specific saying to authenticate the writings of Guru Gobind Singh himself.

Among the thousand names there are seventy-five Muslim names. Only a few of these, such as Rahim and Karim, Razakai (Nourisher), Aruv (Pardoner), and Salamai (Peaceful) are among the Muslim's ninety-nine names of Allah: but all the names used would be familiar to Punjabi Muslims. The Mohammadan tongue and ear would surely delight in Allah and Nirsharik; Karimur Rahim; Husnul Chirag, Garibun Niwaz; Kamal Karim; Rajak Rahim; Bahistun Niwas; and many such others.

Refer to English Translations of Jaap Sahib for full info.

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unfortunately that is as clean as we can get tha recording. It talks about the writings of the qu'ran being that of another saint rather then the prophet and the prophet used these writings to elevate himself to the title of a prophet.

personally i have nothing against islam, i am very interested in its teachings and history.

Have nothing against Allah, i live to his will, who i call waheguru the followers of the islamic faith call the divine being Allah. They are one and the same so i would not ever go against the great being who makes all possible

try listening to the recording again, if i can hear it on my laptop with built in speakers (which are rubbish) you must be able to hear it better then i can.

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the sant gurbachan singh katha recordings are surprisingly pretty clear. A lot of people seem to be complaining about them, but as kam said, if I can hear it on my crappy laptop speakers without a problem, I'm sure people with decent speakers should be able to understand.

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Some will say that it is written in the Holy Quran, so therefore they have every right to tell you.....as it is the Word of Allah.........

For people that pride themselves in being Sikhs of the Satguru, its a shame that no one on this forum can answer these simple questions!!

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John i do not pride myself on being a follower of the Guru's but what i would say is that it is the right of one to believe or not believe in the Koran as a divine scripture from God or not.

From the recording of Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji it seems that they do not believe that the Quran is the work of the prophet. They are not saying it is not divine as it was written by a devotee of God who accepted Mohammed as his mureed! That is all i am saying. I dont know what you can say further, i guess it is down as some sort of Plagiarism!

You started this thread because you wanted some input so i have only offered you mine

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John, here are my comments to your questions:

1. Where this person states 'as a Sikh you are being misled, I would ask; misled from what?

Clearly he/she feels Islam is the one and only true way. This is no different to most religions, including large parts of the sikh community thesedays. In the case of Islam vs. Sikhi, the argument is further complicated by the assertion that Muhammad is the last true prophet, hence in their view making the Sikh Gurus 'false' (granted we can argue over the semantics of what and who is a prophet and whether or not this term is appropriate for the Gurus, from their perspective, it is clear).

2. Islam is the notion of and means as well as requires Submission to Allah, so Islam or Submission of oneself to Allah Almighty IS the only way to attain Allah?

This is subject for a wider debate, perhaps one a new thread?

3. Find me a quote from ANY of the Great Satgurus which ISNT about Islam-Submission to Allah

Precisely - hence, why I state I am not going to base my opinions on Islamic theology solely on the sample of Muslims that I have personally encountered, in statistics we call it "data mining" and on this forum this is fallacy can be seen time and again be it addressing non-Sikhs or Punjabi Sikhs...

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Kam1825, It's still is a pitty that the Sikh community cannot answer simple things, this is obviously due to too much five knuckle shuffling and not enough reading....

Niranjana, there are plently of Muslims which accept Satguru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaaj as one of their Pirs, as a Wallhiallah, this is different from a status of that of a Prophet.

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