Guest Javanmard Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 Javanmard is very bad...no gajrela for you Javanmard! Bad boy!!! Naughty!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nimarta da daan bakhso Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 wouldn't it be great if you wrote in English? nice way to say u can't understand. u keep on saying ppl need to learn arabic/farsi to understand gurbani, u know knowing punjabi will be better 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xylitol Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 "Your distinctions don't derive from gurbani but from a Vaishnava influence in the Nirmala sampradaya. And anyways the Bachitar Natak needs to be read in a different way because of its style." Rather than leaving it at saying my distinctionsss come from a vaishnava influence on nirmalay, and that Bachitar Natak needs to be read differently, how about we go more in depth? i'm interested in seeing how you think it should be read, and why. And please further explain how the influence makes my point wrong. -Many of the various Avtars referred to in Bachitter Natak are avtars of Vishnu. The first time Waheguru himself came as GURavtar was when Guru Nanak Dev ji came Of course, Waheguru came as Narsingh etc, but I'm referring to Guravtar.- 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 u know knowing punjabi will be better correct version: You know, knowing Panjabi would be better. For your information I have actually taught Panjabi at the University of London for three years. And I have edited a Panjabi grammar in Shahmukhi script. I guess that makes me more or less qualified wouldn't you say? In any case this isn't Panjab. This is an English speaking forum. If you don't like it then I guess you know what to do... Just because of your stupid post here is something I tell my naughty students: Children should be seen and not heard... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nimarta da daan bakhso Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 i am pretty sure my post can be seen and not heard,unless u have technology that reads out loud everything 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 I do it's called the human voice. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nimarta da daan bakhso Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 lol.......but still that's ur voice not a childs 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 wow I am impressed by your observation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
namjap Posted June 30, 2007 Report Share Posted June 30, 2007 . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted June 30, 2007 Report Share Posted June 30, 2007 In my opinion, before issuing this fatwa to legalise/encourage abortions where a child has been diagnosed as malformed, they should issue a fatwa to ban cultural practices which cause these diseases and conditions to increase i.e. ban in-breeding - marriage between uncles and neices and cousins etc. I have devout Muslim friends who totally disagree with marriage between close relations for this very reason i.e. increase risk in genetic diseases. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted June 30, 2007 Report Share Posted June 30, 2007 yeah that practise sucks so does female foeticide..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kam1825 Posted June 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2007 Javanmard i apologise as i cant find the correc thread but two questions that i never had answered from you to this day still are required. 1) You spoke about the persian influence in the design of the Sri Harmandir Sahib. I asked you what Bhagat Singh writes in the Gurbilas Patshahi 6 about the sturcture of the Sri Harmandir Sahib. Can you please tell me what Bhagat Singh wrote as from my knowledge it is not that the structure was based on persian influence. 2) you spoke of a janamsakhi of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji where they had a second wife who was muslim and through this marriage had two daughters. All you seemed to remember was that it wasn't written by a muslim. Can you remember anything else such as the author or name? You know many scholars i am sure one of them must know it if you dont. The reason i ask is that i have asked the Bedi family to go through all of their Janamsakhi of which they have many and according to them it does not exist. My ismaili friends can access the library you mention but i still not have had enough information from you to locate this source. Baba Sarbjot Singh Ji Bedi are currently in Canada and are coming to london for two days, i am hoping to find this source by the time they get here as they want to see it as well. For this reason can i have more information on this source. I am aware you are bsy but would appreciate if you answered these questions like a scholar rather then dodging them like a politician. Thanks 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted June 30, 2007 Report Share Posted June 30, 2007 Yes, no one here or any Sikh/Punjabi I have ever met (there have been many) agrees with female foeticide and femicide. To correct my above statement, it's not just a cultural practice, but a religious permission given and exemplified by the Holy Prophet, which needs to be changed re the now proven dangers of inbreeding. With all due respect. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 30, 2007 Report Share Posted June 30, 2007 Javanmard, please answer kam questions posted above, as you can see he is also khoji just like you, he has genuine concerns like to get an source for the claims that was posted by you, we should help each other out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted June 30, 2007 Report Share Posted June 30, 2007 1. The Persian-Mughal architectural structure is obvious. Only a blind man would deny it. 2. Haven't been to London recently. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kam1825 Posted June 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2007 Thanks well dodged again, you should be the leader for the labour party, they like people who are able to dodge issues 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted June 30, 2007 Report Share Posted June 30, 2007 Any person having studied Indian architecture knows that the Harmimandir Sahib is Mughal architecture. I clear: THERE IS NO INDEPENDENT AMAZING "SIKH" ARCHITECTURAL STYLE!!!!!!!!!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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