shaheediyan Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 "The reason I said it was to cause mild annoyance because I don't like you personally." Funny way of showing it, as you certainly seemed to enjoy PMing me until you decided to take up the vacancy of Javanmards guard dog, which I thought unneccesary. Little child, grow up. This forum is for discussion and education, not for taking out your personal frustrations on people who don't see eye to eye with you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
begum Posted July 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 What did you say, Woody ? You look innocent. Here's something to cheer you up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
begum Posted July 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 Japanese famous raga similar to Middle eastern raga check this out: http://youtube.com/watch?v=LKPosU3J0FI&...ted&search= Raga from Thath: Bharo/Bharav Chinese Traditional Orchestra Korean Traditional Song Mongolian Singers (I love this music) Tibetan Music Burmese Traditional Music Thai Traditional Song http://youtube.com/watch?v=515W777bjCA 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 "http://youtube.com/watch?v=LKPosU3J0FI&mode=related&search= Raga from Thath: Bharo/Bharav" LOL, your a comedian. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niranjana Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 I haven't heard that piece as yet, however the majority of Japanese music I've heard tends to equate to Indian Classical Raag Gunkali. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 Welcome back veer ji, it's been a while... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
begum Posted July 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Raga Gunakali/Gunakri in this nominally pentatonic (Audav-jAti) rAga - S r M P d - it is not unusual to lace the rishab with G along the M->r contour and thus generate an AbhAsa of Bhairav anga. Thank you for you good knowledge, brother. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tSingh Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 About Japanese music...it doesn't really work that way. Some of the chanting fixes on one pitch and shifts a couple of semitones over the course of a few minutes. The same way gagaku is based around a basic tonal structure but has those really incredible moments of each instrument sliding upwards over each other, with the constant pitches of the percussion. Its a very very different musical aesthetic too in terms of time, space and tone...totally intertwined with the aesthetic of other artistic forms. Very much a less is more, static time, and a raw beauty. I think its possible to date it back to Daoist influences way before...drawing a lot upon the raw reality of nature (rather than the european rousseau-style reactionary man returning to nature thing). I know Tagore thought japanese music was 'culturally inferior' to Indian...which in my opinion is to have completely missed the point. It works on a totally different level...demonstrating total command and perfection is not what its about. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 I recommend Reiko Kimura's "Music for Koto". It includes classical works as well as contemporary ones. Amamzing! (don't ask me for the rapidshare link you cheapos!!! buy it!!!) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Whilst many traditional Japanese instruments have a clear link to Indian ancestory, raaga's "historic" link is not so clear. From the little I know, traditional Japanese music does not really utilise raga - or melodic modes - the nearest equivelant is - In-senpo, I would be interested to learn the actual ascending and descending notes of traditional known Japanese forms so that a direct comparison can be made to teh above mentioned raags. Begum Ji, it's good to understand points before you paste them: http://www.sawf.org/newedit/edit05292000/musicarts.asp From what I can hear, the soundtrack you provided sounds nothing like Bhairav, maybe you have a better ear for sur than me (mine being extremely amateur), would you be able to tell me what sur are being used in the piece, and their order of importance i.e. Vadi, samvadi etc, we could then establish if the piece has any resemblance to Bhairav. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niranjana Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 For the record - the comment concerning Gunkali wasn't to suggest that Japanese music is based on this Raag let alone necessarily derived from a Raag based system, simply that in my experience (as limited as that maybe) and several other Indian Classical Musicans I am acquainted with have felt that common renderings of Japanese music that have heard sound like Gunkali. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
begum Posted July 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 I am at a learning stage here. Will appreciate any help from you. So what is the raag for the Sakura song? Shaheediyan, I can learn Lesson One from you today. I just played the sakura song on harmonium after reading your comment. and you're right about it not belonging to that Bhairav. You call yourself amateur, but you were able to comment instantaneously after listening to it. So here I am your student (humble student) willing to take instructions on theory of raags. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tSingh Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 For the full japanese aesthetic it doesn't come much purer than in the various schools of shakuhachi. Gagaku, the ancient court music also contains a lot of that feel, but even the older recordings of something as innocous as japanese zen/mahayana chant contains that same timelessness, space and clarity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
begum Posted October 4, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 http://youtube.com/watch?v=oWLGReRLwjo COMPLETE LYRICS O laal meri pat rakhio bala jhoole laalan Sindri da sehvan da sakhi shabaaz kalandar Dama dam mast kalandar, ali dam dam de andar Dama dam mast kalandar, ali da pehla number O laal meri, o laal meri Chaar charaag tere baran hamesha - 3 Panjwa mein baaran aayi bala jhoole laalan O panjwa mein baaran O panjwa mein baaran aayi bala jhoole laalan Sindri da sehvan da sakhi shabaaz kalandar Dama dam mast kalandar, ali dam dam de andar Dama dam mast kalandar, ali da pehla number O laal meri, o laal meri Hind sind peera teri naubat vaaje - 3 Naal vaje ghadiyaal bala jhoole laalan O naal vaje O naal vaje ghadiyaal bala jhoole laalan Sindri da sehvan da shaki shabaaz kalandar Dama dam mast kalandar, ali dam dam de andar Dama dam mast kalandar, ali da pehla number O laal meri, o laal meri O ho, o ho ho, oh oh oh oh, oh oh oh oh Ho oh oh, oh ho oh oh oh Har dam peera teri khair hove - 3 Naam-e-ali beda paar laga jhoole laalan O naam-e-ali O naam-e-ali beda paar laga jhoole laalan Sindri da sehvan da shaki shabaaz kalandar Dama dam mast kalandar, ali dam dam de andar Dama dam mast kalandar, ali da pehla number O laal meri pat rakhio bala jhoole laalan Sindri da sehvan da sakhi shabaaz kalandar (Dama dam mast kalandar, ali dam dam de andar Dama dam mast kalandar, ali da pehla number) - 3 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Without meaning to sound snobby, this sounds so much better coming from high level musicians. Dancing is better too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
begum Posted October 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 Yes, there were more choices of video clips but I had to choose something that came close to the lyrics. But your choice of Nusrat's has triggered me to find another Nusrat's presentation, enjoy: Following the exact lyrics, Abida Parveen sang it. Songs by Abida Parveen 1. Ab Lagan Lagi Ki Kariye Kalam: Bulleh Shah | Singer: Abida Parveen View lyrics and download Ab Lagan Lagi Ki Kariye 2. Allah Hik Hai Kalam: Khawaja Ghulam Farid | Singer: Abida Parveen View lyrics and download Allah Hik Hai 3. Assan Ishq Namaz Jadoon Neeti Ae Kalam: Bulleh Shah | Singer: Abida Parveen View lyrics and download Assan Ishq Namaz Jadoon Neeti Ae 4. Bulleh Nu Samjhawan AaiyaN Kalam: Bulleh Shah | Singer: Abida Parveen View lyrics and download Bulleh Nu Samjhawan AaiyaN 5. Dama Dam Mast Qalandar Kalam: Unknown | Singer: Abida Parveen View lyrics and download Dama Dam Mast Qalandar 6. Deedar Sohne Da Kalam: Bulleh Shah | Singer: Abida Parveen View lyrics and download Deedar Sohne Da 7. Dil Soch Samajh Ke Laven Kalam: Bulleh Shah | Singer: Abida Parveen View lyrics and download Dil Soch Samajh Ke Laven 8. Ek Nukte Wich Gal Mukdi E Kalam: Bulleh Shah | Singer: Abida Parveen View lyrics and download Ek Nukte Wich Gal Mukdi E 9. Ek Nuqta Yar Parhaya Ae Kalam: Khawaja Ghulam Farid | Singer: Abida Parveen View lyrics and download Ek Nuqta Yar Parhaya Ae 10. Ek Tona Chamba Gawan Gi Kalam: Bulleh Shah | Singer: Abida Parveen View lyrics and download Ek Tona Chamba Gawan Gi 11. Gharyali Diyo Nikal Ni Kalam: Bulleh Shah | Singer: Abida Parveen View lyrics and download Gharyali Diyo Nikal Ni 12. Ghoom CharakhRa Kalam: Shah Hussain | Singer: Abida Parveen View lyrics and download Ghoom CharakhRa 13. Ghoonghat Ohlay Na Luk Sajjnan Kalam: Bulleh Shah | Singer: Abida Parveen View lyrics and download Ghoonghat Ohlay Na Luk Sajjnan 14. Ghund Khol Deedar Vekhao Kalam: Bulleh Shah | Singer: Abida Parveen View lyrics and download Ghund Khol Deedar Vekhao 15. Hai Ishq Da Jalwa Kalam: Unknown | Singer: Abida Parveen View lyrics and download Hai Ishq Da Jalwa 16. Heer - 1 - Ishq Jannat Zameen Te Le Aaya Ae Kalam: Waris Shah | Singer: Abida Parveen View lyrics and download Heer - 1 - Ishq Jannat Zameen Te Le Aaya Ae 17. Heer - 2 - Heer Da Husn Behisaab Yaaro Kalam: Waris Shah | Singer: Abida Parveen View lyrics and download Heer - 2 - Heer Da Husn Behisaab Yaaro 18. Heer - 3 - Heer Da Ishq Heer Wang Sachcha Ae Kalam: Waris Shah | Singer: Abida Parveen View lyrics and download Heer - 3 - Heer Da Ishq Heer Wang Sachcha Ae 19. Heer - 4 - Daras Ishq Da Keejiye Ji Kalam: Waris Shah | Singer: Abida Parveen View lyrics and download Heer - 4 - Daras Ishq Da Keejiye Ji 20. Heer - 5 - Ishq De Pichche Bane Faqir Aashiq Kalam: Waris Shah | Singer: Abida Parveen View lyrics and download Heer - 5 - Ishq De Pichche Bane Faqir Aashiq 21. Heer - 6 - Ishq De Janaaze Da Nazara Yaaro Kalam: Waris Shah | Singer: Abida Parveen View lyrics and download Heer - 6 - Ishq De Janaaze Da Nazara Yaaro 22. Hun Menoo Kon Pachanay Kalam: Bulleh Shah | Singer: Abida Parveen View lyrics and download Hun Menoo Kon Pachanay 23. Ishq Di Tumbi Sahvaan Naal Vajdi Kalam: Unknown | Singer: Abida Parveen View lyrics and download Ishq Di Tumbi Sahvaan Naal Vajdi 24. Jhallaan Pakhi Kalam: Unknown | Singer: Abida Parveen View lyrics and download Jhallaan Pakhi 25. Jo Rang Rangya GooRha Rangya Kalam: Bulleh Shah | Singer: Abida Parveen View lyrics and download Jo Rang Rangya GooRha Rangya 26. Kaziya KehRay Maslay Dasenda Ayen Kalam: Bulleh Shah | Singer: Abida Parveen View lyrics and download Kaziya KehRay Maslay Dasenda Ayen 27. Kithe Meher Ali, Kithe Teri Sana Kalam: Meher Ali Shah | Singer: Abida Parveen View lyrics and download Kithe Meher Ali, Kithe Teri Sana 28. Laggi Waliyan Nu Neend Nai Ondi Kalam: Unknown | Singer: Abida Parveen View lyrics and download Laggi Waliyan Nu Neend Nai Ondi 29. Mahi Yaar Dee GhaRoli Kalam: Bulleh Shah | Singer: Abida Parveen View lyrics and download Mahi Yaar Dee GhaRoli 30. Main Bhi Jhok Ranjhan Di Jaana Kalam: Shah Hussain | Singer: Abida Parveen View lyrics and download Main Bhi Jhok Ranjhan Di Jaana 31. Meda Ishq Wi Toon Kalam: Khawaja Ghulam Farid | Singer: Abida Parveen View lyrics and download Meda Ishq Wi Toon 32. Mein Mangti Mola Ali Di Kalam: Bulleh Shah | Singer: Abida Parveen View lyrics and download Mein Mangti Mola Ali Di 33. Mera Ruthra Yaar Nahin Mann Da Kalam: Bulleh Shah | Singer: Abida Parveen View lyrics and download Mera Ruthra Yaar Nahin Mann Da 34. Nangra Nimani Da Jiven Tiven Palna Kalam: Bulleh Shah | Singer: Abida Parveen View lyrics and download Nangra Nimani Da Jiven Tiven Palna 35. Ranjha Ranjha Kardi Kalam: Bulleh Shah | Singer: Abida Parveen View lyrics and download Ranjha Ranjha Kardi 36. Ranjha Shah Hazare Kalam: Bulleh Shah | Singer: Abida Parveen View lyrics and download Ranjha Shah Hazare 37. Ronday Umer Langhaai Kalam: Bulleh Shah | Singer: Abida Parveen View lyrics and download Ronday Umer Langhaai 38. Tere Ishq Nachaya Kalam: Bulleh Shah | Singer: Abida Parveen View lyrics and download Tere Ishq Nachaya 39. Wah wah Ramz SajjaN Di Hor Kalam: Bulleh Shah | Singer: Abida Parveen View lyrics and download Wah wah Ramz SajjaN Di Hor (Source: http://www.folkpunjab.com/abida-parveen/) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
begum Posted October 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 Nusrat's performance in Brazil in 4 parts (with Rahat in the team). http://youtube.com/watch?v=dbAPx5vQKy0 http://youtube.com/watch?v=lIAEEWrn6TA http://youtube.com/watch?v=-IHR3a46PDM http://youtube.com/watch?v=Tp0Wx4UpisU 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
begum Posted October 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 I couldn't resist posting this one too. Just beautiful performance: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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