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This This is why we shouldn't treat kathavachiks like saints acting as if they always day the truth and can't be wrong.

If you read victim 553 I think it was, the broken jaw, on the kaur website it documents it. It is a well known and talked about occurence already. Basically a mona Sikh who was getting more interested in Sikhi put on a Dumalla and took a stupid photo and sent it to a girl, nothing lewd, and got his bones broken for it. When Sukha sent a Panj Pyare of.nobodies after him, and oversaw his beating. When taken to task privately for that his..contrition was fairly lacking and basically muttered yeah I messed up, Sikhi is all about forgiveness, forgive me. Still played it off though really. You can still find his podcasts from after that news came out on those topics. Close friends of that victim spread the news through the forums a couple years back. Nidar Singh Nihang is certainly unpopular, controversial, and imperfect, but good on him for supporting these victims. Although he too shows disregard for the safety of his mentees if you ask me. Really does a few unhealthy, disreputable things in his training. His training is however legitimate. The young lad was not Amritdhari, and not part of Sukhas Fauj really. He was over disciplined, innapropriately, according to a Rehit he's unfamiliar with, and standards of conduct that were alien to him. I partially understood Sukhas miscarriage of justice but now with the sex allegations a clearer pattern of behavior is emerging with a pattern of broken people left behind.

Also, I think it should be pretty obvious where homosexual predators are going to be hidden now i.e. in cosy male dominated jathas. Parents need to be more streetwise about sending their kids there. Also, it's easier to talk to teenage boys about being sexually abused than females. Fathers, older brothers, older cousins, cool uncles need to be having this conversation with boys.

On Instagram, i read posts against bhai Sukha Singh UK for sexual allegations. He is a well known sikh personality in UK. Victims are coming forward but it's sad that our community hesitates to raise the sexual grooming and exploitation topic in our sikh culture especially when happen in gurudwara or in the family. It would surely save the future incidents. What do you think ? I would like this world to be safe for our children and vulnerable people.

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@paapiman I was going to write about some rumors I heard as a child, but then realized it would just be slander or nindya. Bottom line is if your sexual energy is not transmutated properly via simran, sadhana, sewa, jap tap, creativity, or Grihasth Marg duties, then Kaam will just come out in various forms. Sometime ago there was a news about a Pakistani man who copulated with corpses after dugging them up from their graves. In Kalki avtar, you can read how people will fall in Kaam and forget about their relations. Up until Baba Isher Singh Ji's time the pehra was very strict. No one could even think about having even a bad thought because they would be caught right away, and get punished instantly by physical beating , right there and then. So the minds of Bihangams were pure. But you cannot take guarantee these days. So everyone should just use their common sense, and try to be safe.

Agreed. Sexual Abuse of any kind must be taken very very seriously. Gurmat is very strict in these matters. Severe punishments (including death sentences) will probably be handed out to Rapists and Pedos in a Sikh Theocracy. Bhul chuk maaf

These people make me sick as they are ruining the image of Sikhi with these sickening acts.

@Samarbir Singh Ear ringing is a hint of anahd shabad or sehaj dhun that you hear while still in tregun, pavan, and while still having all the augan. The real Anhad Shabad or Sehaj Dhun , you will hear only when you are in Sehaj , free from pavan, tregun, your body, and very close to Nirankar Ji, and upon hearing sehaj dhun you should have amrit in every rom...This is not my experience but my understanding from listening to Simranjit Singh Tohana. And it makes sense too. A lot of people start hearing ringing sound, its a beginning, little bit closer to Nirankar ji, but not the end goal. For example, I hear ringing when I focus, or during bani or simran, but it does not mean anything yet. Only if my vikars are controlled, mind is in samadhi, amrit rass is received, I will hear the true sehaj dhun or anhad shabad. I might be wrong but thats what I have understood so far. more experienced Gurmukhs like @Sat1176 @Lucky can correct me. This path is like a life long marathan of mehnat not a sprint ps. just after writing this the sounds have gotten more prominent but overall its a good thing, its a beginning while we are still in this mud.

Thanks a lot sister for this valuable info. You are amazing. Bhul chuk maaf

Please dont remain under the illusion that deviant sexual repression is only for people who are not married. Married men / women toooo in this class. This married class is everywhere ! in your work place and in your neighborhood tooo !

Yes, 17 Nanaksar Gurudwara constructed by Baba Gurdev Singh follow the same puratan maryaada that Guru Gobind Singh blessed to Baba nand singh ji. Jagraon Nanaksar also, the maryada is more or less the same with very less difference. Nitnem is not read in many gurudwaras including Takht Hazur Sahib and Harimandir Sahib, sukhmani sahib, asa di waar kirtan is done at amrit vela as per maryada. I have taken Amrit by blessings of Guru Ji from and Nanaksar Samadh and all wear proper kirpan and the jathedaar of the panj pyare has a long kirpaan. All wear kamarkasaas, white cholas and are dressed in the traditional Khalsa bana.

Let me know if this pic will be found attractive by western women? Kaam is basically a mental illusion, but its very powerful one.

Good point. See. Kaam just has no end.

Another possibility is that he might be a bi-sexual. Bhul chuk maaf

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100% percent, totally agree.

I think a lot of things can lead to violent tendencies. As for sexually deviant tendencies: a lot of people from sexually 'liberated' cultures are hardcore deviants, so although repression (as mentioned) can lead to them, we should also acknowledge that plenty of people who have had 'normal' upbringings and are free to pursue relationships (i.e. not expected to wait until an arranged marriage so not exactly suppressed) still become deviants. Look at that policeman who was recently jailed for murdering Sarah Everard, he was married. I think some people struggle to restrain themselves, or develop disgusting 'tastes' from exploration that gets twisted maybe? That one is well known, it's like certain upper class twats who get sent to boarding schools with a culture of sexually abusing youngsters amongst the students themselves. The abused then go on to do the same to others later. It can go the other way though, with people who've been abused highlighting it, and fighting to prevent it happening to others. How much does that Sikhi resonate when it doesn't even prevent the person from violating another like is being alleged? I had a tutor at uni many years ago called Stuart Millar (Scots fellow), there were some elective units on the course I was studying, and a friend I met at uni persuaded me to attend one on Sexual Abuse (I did NOT want to simply because I was very uncomfortable with the subject, but did in the end because my friend pushed me, I think it was kismet and hukam). That lecturer was an expert in his field of child development and this subject. He told me that predators are often abused themselves, and that they consciously work themselves into certain types of positions of power to access vulnerable people. Like priesthood or religious orgs. They are extremely devious. A decade later, that friend (who is one of my closest friends till this day) told me about how she was abused from young by her stepfather. She is a very strong women who works as a successful teacher, and has a steady relationship with two children now. So for me, my alarm bells are already half ringing with groups like that. Predators know exactly what they are doing, hiding behind smokescreens of respectability.

I'm wondering if Panjabi upbringing is so hardcore, that hordes feel bereft of love as a consequence, and then they try crawling up people like this's ar5e to compensate? Also, young boys going to train etc. shouldn't have to worry about being fiddled with or ar5e-raped.

Need to get to the roots to find out Truth before jumping to any conclusions. we are all filthy, and with polluted minds but when someone in a preacher position gets these allegations, its shocking. Kaam is very very powerful…it humbles us. I bow down to the great sages who conquered the 5 chor

yes, other posts explains victims side of story. Bhai Mohan Singh from sikhawareness society visited our local gravesend gurudwara sahib and explain sexual grooming etc. and other similar things. Our gurudwaras need to start raising awareness and must openly punish the abusers to save the future incidents. I personally like what this Kaur is doing. Well done to her and her team!

Are these the allegations (below)? Quote Saturday, Sept 25th 2021, I had a 19 min conversation with Sukha Singh. This was before any of the victims experiences went up. He was well aware of everything that was going to be posted on The Kaur Movement Platform. His request was to not make anything public and to give him any punishment through the “5 pyare”. He said to pick any 5 people of my choosing and they can decide what punishment he should receive, for example, leaving preaching. He wanted this whole situation dealt with privately and not publicly. I declined and said the sangat has the right to know what crimes you have committed and the victims want you to publicly admit your wrongdoings. He declined to do this and repeated that he will do whatever the “5 pyare” say to do. Sukha singh, why have you not publicly stated that you are innocent & that you did not sexually assault any men. I am asking sukha Singh to agree to do a lie detector test, I have not gotten any response from him. The victims have said yes to do that lie detector test with any hesitation, sukha Singh why are you hesitating ? @thekaurmovement Unquote[1] [1] - The Kaur Movement - Posts | Facebook Bhul chuk maaf

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That sound your hearing is called sehaj dhun. You can confirm that yourself when you speak one to one with any of the Gurmukhs who teach this path. I personally have so I confirm to you what I have been told. It is the start and as you focus on it you should notice it gets louder and louder. Sometimes it disappears and your left wondering where has it gone? Why has it gone? All you can do is revert back to Gurmantar and start again, trying to still the mind and relaxing in a more sehaj state whilst trying to remain relatively consciousness and aware (not easy). Now doing seva of listening to this sound is not easy either and other sounds may come along the way as you go deeper within and your mind becomes more still. Don't expect miracles just cos you hear this sehaj dhun because like others have said it's only the start. How long we stay at only this stage of sehaj dhun only Waheguru knows. Only thing you can do is keep practicing the Gurmantar jaap and when you hear the sehaj dhun also try focus on it slowly trying to climb to the next rung of the ladder. When the time is right Waheguru ji will progress you to the next stage. Don't get impatient or lose faith mate. Others will come on this topic to discourage you and that's their right to give you an alternative opinion. Your already doubting, lost and confused and I don't blame you. It's not an easy path, believe you me coz I been trying for years. Getting close to a gurmukh who will take you under their guidance is also not easy. Especially if you cannot go have regular sangat in their presence as most live in India. Online sessions help but it still leaves questions in your mind until you have a 1 to 1 with them and clear any doubts. But once you have asked and got your answer like I know you have, you got to take their word for it and then keep practicing. Just to give you some scale to the journey ahead lets say there is more stages to come and we are still on the first step so just be grateful you identified the ladder and slowly trying to climb up. Other are yet to even acknowledge the ladder may exist. Everyone is on their own journey and I hope everyone finds a ladder that works for them. 1. Sehaj dhun 2. Countless shabad ghanayray (so loud you can hear them internally when at a party) 3. Panj shabad 4. Naad (naam) - Sound of an aircraft 5. Internal amrit or amrit verkha from listening to naam. Stage 4. 6. Parkash internally and externally. Anhad is not just restricted to one sound. There are countless to come. The sehaj dhun is like a rope to hold onto to as you try and go deeper within. It’s just starting…. I was listening to one katha last week and the gurmukh said stick with sehaj dhun until you get to stage 4. So if you hear any other sound remain focused the sehaj dhun anyway. Waiting for the naad is the next rung to switch to after sehaj dhun. Let other sounds pass you by. Just hearing the sounds is not enough, you also need to be in the right state of mind and heading inwards toward samadhi and leaving body consciousness and be listening to them at the right place heading upwards. It’s not just I hear a sound balle balle. Lots to learn yet and it won’t be all shared here. don’t get hung up in sehaj dhun, don’t think just hearing one sound means you made it either, because we haven’t. Keep learning about Bhakti marg and how to go deeper using simran and Shabads. You've been given good advice by some in this thread about simran teaching resources. You will be surprised how little you know cos it’s never published online, cos they don’t want the head ache. Those who want to learn will seek out and try and get in touch. Those that listen live in that moment take the knowledge or you miss out. It takes time and effort on your part to want to learn more. Suggest you take the advice if seriously interested in anhad marg. No one here is giving you guarantees of anything , we are all searching, sharing and learning together, no one claims to have made it either. Some have made it further than others though and for that I do bow down in respect of their achievements and kirpa bestowed upon them. It’s credit to them for still coming back here on this very forum and helping and encouraging those of us who are still far behind. Anyway good luck Bro. WaheGuru kirpa karan. Hope you find your way soon…

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Last tangent. America passed laws requiring all ak's be made domestically. A Sikh run Santali manufacturer could make a killing. And that could justify again getting those in india who make Santalis out of india. And a Sikh owned warehouse of Santalis that makes a profit is win on every side. Dharam Yudh happens, open the store up and have the Sangat walk through. And we should make them in 7.62mm and 5.65 nato. The thought of beautifully crafted, high end, embellished with Gurbani, Santalis is making me drool. Should have a designer high end custom line, and a mass produced line both.

Why should we not? Have you not had childhood immunisationn? Covid vaccine works on the same principle. Pfizer extracted mRNA of protein spike on the covid virus, that protein is enclosed in oily nanoparticles in the vaccine (if covid protein is directly injected then our body would destroy it instead of making copies of the protein). All this is preparing our immune system to produce antibodies to fight off the actual covid infection in case it happens in coming future. Pfizer vaccine is very well established now, there is more than enough data to prove its efficacy and safety. There are always medicine related side-effects and adverse reactions, these happen even with basic meds like paracetamol or ibuprofen tablets. It does not mean that we should not take it. Benefits has clearly outweighed any associated risk. I have seen patient who has developed blood clot after vaccine, but just imagine what would have happened if he actually had covid. He is on anti-coagulant medicine now, benefit is that he has antibodies in his bodies and already taking medicine. Covid cause blood clots which lead to strokes and heart attacks etc. and there is a mounting evidence behind it. Please go for pfizer vaccine, its safe and effective.

I'm not personally, but I fully support anyone that chooses to. Everyone I know got semi sick after the second pfizer. Was making us think pfizer 1 is some booster, and pfizer 2 is a weak strain of Covid. I don't know that to be true. It's what we are all joking about at work when people get the second shot and have to stay home because it kicks their ass.

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@dalsingh101 A female army officer was raped over here in Canada by a male officer. It was so tragic. Bhul chuk maaf

Please take the Pfizer vaccine. Thanks Bhul chuk maaf

Because we never had one maryada, this is Guru Nanak Dev ji's garden and there are many kinds of flowers here. Even in Guru sahib's time, we did not had one maryada. Udasi sikh were there, Nirmale panth was started but these all we part of Khalsa panth and paid homage Sri Guru Gobind Singh Jee.

Yes, just being a Nanaksariye and white clothes does not make you SuperMan ! Just do google search, you will have your answer.

I dont know about others but Baba Nand Singh ji was living a householder's life and Guru Nanak sahib gave him hukam that tuada kaam sikhi phailana hai tusi khaane da chintan na karo oh asi tanu pahuncha devaange tusi bhagti karo. That's when Baba jee became a sanyaasi and Guru Gobind Singh jee baba ji nu pyaar naal rikhi jee kehke bulaande san. As for Baba Isher Singh, he was hazuri sewadaar of Baba nand singh and did not want bichhora from baba even for 1 nimakh. When Baba Isher Singh ji's family came that now should we marry our son, Baba Nand Singh ji said that marry the rest of the family, he has already been married to Akaal Purkh. Keh Kabeer mohe byaahe chale hai purkh ek bhagwana. Baba jee never said that in gristhi life, one cannot obtain brahmgyaan. Baba jee said that for brahmgyaan, Jap ji sahib has been given to us by Guru Sahib which is to be read by all Gursikhs at amritvela by order of Guru Gobind Singh jee, whether Gristhi or Brahmchaari. Baba jee always aid that Khalsa nu guru sahib ne jati banaaya hai te saanu hukam hai ki ek naari sada jati. jo ik naari naal rehne de te par naari naal bhog karan di bajjar kureht nahi karde oh gursikh jati ne. Therefore, baba ji was not against Gristhi life in any way. Bhul Chuk maaf Sat Kartar

People debate whether one can be temporarily gay, like in prison for example, and the general consensus is you're gay or not. The situation just allows it to be seen.

Personally, I feel that if this family called in panthic sevadaars like SYUK in, and misrepresented the truth that she was an adult in a relationship with someone they disliked, with some account that she was some religious, straight laced type, who'd never do such things - they are well rotten. I'm pretty sure the family is Radho Soami btw. Anyways, I say let's not focus on this case and keep sharp for brothers and sisters who might really need it.

I think we should all make efforts to raise awareness against sexual grooming and molestation that could happen in life.

You mean the booster shots? Bhul chuk maaf

Fair point, but at this stage here, we don't even know where this has taken place? Looks like somewhere in India based on the dress codes I'm seeing. Plus, it's not going to be hard to find a one armed man is it. Gurdwaras all over the world are in some cloud cuckoo land when it comes to security. Older people or conservatives, I think, don't want to face up to the issue presumably because it frightens them, and their past experiences teach them that it's not anything to be concerned about. Even one I used to go to in E.London once had some people trying to break in based on CCTV footage. In the end, no additional precautions were taken. Even in places like the US, where we've had a neo-nazi shoot up in a Gurdwara, Panjabi parents are still reluctant to let their young adult children learn firearms and keep a concealed weapons license - even though it is perfectly legal there.

i have read some posts on instagram… if its true, its really shocking, i am just numb, really feeling disturbed, looks can be so deceiving, poor victims. waheguru.. pray for healing for all

Where was this? Also did people notice that he appeared to have an arm missing?

And if dude got busted up for a photo a rapist groomer deserves what? End of. Not a talking to privately from the Panj Pyare.

This modern Science is pseudoscience. Science based on theories which trys to use maths to prove a point. "Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality." (Nikola Tesla)

Recovered now thanks. Waheguru’s grace.