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How about to defend and to protect? You just can't appreciate it. Yeah, its the weapons that kill people right? So why do we punish the person behind them? They are NOTHING compared to today's weapons. You couldn't even kill close to a million people with a sword in your whole lifetime, yet that feat could be accomplished in an instant with an atomic weapon. And you're comparing the two? Hello? Hey, hippie, I live in the USofA. If you want our weapons, first you're going to have to change the US Constitution. Then you're going to have to come take them by force. I'm not asking anything from the "street thugs". If they are legally allowed to carry weapons, then it's just fine with me. As for "medieval" weapons? Do you think Sikhs don't know how to use guns? When we say "weapons", it includes guns too. Comprendo? You just refuse to see it. Weapons have _always_ been in Gurdwaras. Your implication that they've "all of a sudden" become part of us is wrong. You've just insulted great Sikhs who gave up their lives for causes you will never understand. If it were up to me, I would ban you right here and now, you troll.

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Whats with all the trolls lately? Jagga, you are welcome to "convert" to Christianity any time you want. Why the heck are you here anyways? Mod(s), if you will be so kind to delete all posts by this troll, I do not think the sangat will mind.

Dear sukhi, the posts by this person meet the classic criteria for an internet 'troll' (including signing up under a different user name after being banned). His actions and questions are not honorable. We only have a finite amount of time, and I do not want to waste it on such people. And no, posts like his do nothing to help me grow spiritually. I am here to discuss and converse with fellow Gursikhs - like an online sangat. This troll was not here to ask sincere questions, for he had already made up his mind. Rather, he wanted to attempt to show us how backwards he thinks we are in our beliefs.

I figure we should lock all threads started by this troll "newAgeIdiot".

Thank you for explaining your views. If I was present before the fall of the British empire and was asked if the Sikhs wanted a separate nation, I would have been hard-pressed to say no. What would you have said? Currently, I do not endorse the idea of a separate nation for the Sikhs. However, there are numerous advantages to having a separate nation that identifies itself with Sikhi. For instance: - France probably would never make the mistake it has - People all over the world woudn't confuse us with Muslims - All Sikhs of this World would have a place to call home - We would protect minority rights - No one would die of hunger; poverty would be almost eliminated - Look at Israel as an example (Yes, they have their problems) Ofcourse, given the nature of Human beings (and the state of affairs in Punjab now), there's a good chance if we had a separate nation we would be worse off than we are now, but I would have liked the chance. I sure would have.

I think spirituality is a pre-requisite for faith+religion+dharam.

That's not exactly encouraging :shock:

Not all Sikhs agree on what exactly is "Khalistan". You need to study up on the history of Punjab since the partition to understand that there are many legitimate demands that Punjabi Sikhs have (and still do). I am a Sikh, not a Hindu. You can call yourself whatever you want, just don't proclaim it for the rest of us. That's what I call thinking like an ant. Imagine the master of the universe, Guru Nanak Nirankaar giving a hoot about a man-made line separating a piece of infinitesimal land into a 'country'. Do you think scores of Sikhs who made the ultimate sacrifice of giving up their lives did it for 'India'? Guru Gobind Singh fought for freedom, period. It's insulting to imply he did it for 'India' - which didn't even exist back then I do not recognize "Ram Singh" as a Guru. However, do you think that they sacrificed so much for present-day thankless 'India' or did they have a different idea of what an independent Bharat would be like? Again, ant-like thinking. Are you just worried about saving your own skin? As long as I can practise my faith freely, I have no desire to label a piece of land. When my freedom is threatened, I will fight for it, as is my right to do so. You've brought up many points there, but you will have to elaborate if you want more discussion on them. That's contradictory, though it's interesting to think about what Guru ji would want the Panth to do today. Yeah, whatever this "Khalistan" is

I sometimes tend to think of this behavior along the lines of 'Survival of the fittest'. Those who are weak get weeded out by the social elements. I haven't made up my mind on whether this is a bad thing since quality is always better than quantity.

Not to nitpick, but 'shaka nyorai' is correct - a Gurdwara is not equivalent to a Church. At best, they can be considered similar. For instance, a Gurdwara has Guru-Ka-Langar while a Church, to the best of my knowledge, does not.

I would request that you rethink your decision. His deceitful ways should not be welcomed, much less rewarded. His venom against Sikhi should not be tolerated and will be hurtful to visitors of this forum. Do you think that he has anything positive to contribute to this forum?

May I ask how you came to that conclusion? It is a fact that most amritdhari Sikhs carry a Kirpaan these days only as a show-piece, but that only demonstrates how much of a "Khalsa" they really are. They can't defend themselves, much less anyone else. Will you even go so far as saying that martial training is not required in "today's world"?

So, who's who in the pics?

BTW, Rikki, are you related to "newAgeSikh" by any chance? Maybe by IP?

I don't even know how to respond to this farcical load of BS. Are you high or something?

That's an absurd comparison. Could you become a Brahmin if you wanted to? Again, an absurd comparison. First, a Sehajdhari to me is someone who maintains his kes, and does naam simran as best he can. As for Keertan, even non-Sikhs have performed Keertan at the Darbar Sahib in the past. Anyone who accepts the Guru is welcome to partake in the Amrit, even a "Shudra". Take a careful look at your posts. You assume, mock, deride and insult. There is no humility in your manner. These are not the ways of a Gursikh.

There you go with the assumptions and insults again. Your philosophy of Sikhism in action, right?

Yeah, I typed them without knowing their meaning :roll: How are you going to know when someone's coming to kill you? A Kirpaan is more than an 'arm'. Besides, ever bothered to look the U.S. Constitution? And who's going to tell me when I'm in need of it, you? The Government? This doesn't make any sense. You'll have to elaborate. What does a Kirpaan have to do with an AK-47? Again, how are you going to know when you need it? Ask a fortune teller? Thank you for the personal attack. I knew you'd get there, eventually. You must be proud.

What does this "true Philosophy" dictate one should do when someone comes to kill him? Talk him to death? Do you have the audacity to think that Guru Nanak Nirankaar did not know what was coming? What shape would Sikhi be in, what identity would we have, if we had adoped this "true Philosophy" of yours? Chu kar az hama heelte dargujasht, Halal ast burden ba shamsheer daste. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh. :twisted:

You have neglected to mention what you think is the "philosophy of Sikhism", what "shift" you think took place and how you reached your conclusions. Without this information, it is very difficult to answer your question.

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