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singhjasbeer

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  1. PAL 07, Thanks so much for the video, and our guru sahib summarizes the entire discussion of heaven and hell in one line... but despite after so many clearifications about it's REAL existence by so many sages and Sri Guru Granth Sahib , I fail to understand why in Sikh jagat it is never accepted , I know that it shouldn't be a part our regular discussions as a Sikh is expected to rise above these planes of existences and to be a part of the permanent abode of Sachkhand, but still whenever if there is any discussion it is many times rejected as utterly rubbish.. and shouldn't be part of discussions
  2. N30 Singhji, nice to hear from you , though new on this forum but I keep on reading your posts and viewpoint Well, nontheless reply has come from a right person , with right perspective.. thank u so much for your reply
  3. A debate which causes havoc amongst the believers and non believers alike, but it is fierce and at the same time confusing when it’s concerning Sikh community. Yes, it’s the old Hell-Heaven debate that I am talking about. Whenever I am concerned with the topic and I happen to turn towards my religious philosophers and Gyanis. But I get conflicting views , unsatisfied answers and sometimes utter rejection. But when I refer to religious texts and our beloved Guru Granth Sahib. I get more satisfactory and vivid answer. On that basis here I want to express my viewpoint and it’s stable & clear that they do exist for real. Let me take two frequent viewpoints that I come across whenever I refer to Heaven and Hell. First, being the Spiritual State of Mind also called as Avasthaa and second as enjoyments endured in this Human Life. I will take them in detail. Please read it patiently and carefully. At first point of discussion it is always famously stated as Heaven as a state of being in the eternal bliss of god and hence enjoying nearness to Akal Purakh. Simultaneously, Hell is a state of being far from almighty and hence getting trapped in the bodily endeavors of panj vikaars and leading a life of hassles , untruthfulness. My take on this viewpoint is that the argument may be true partially but it’s other way round not as described by many scholars and gianis like above , it’s the real life of heaven or hell which is for real , yes real , a part of which can be experienced here on this earthly plane . Traditionally heaven is described as a plane of existence where only happiness is there no pains , no remorse , no crying only enjoyment in the astral body while hell being the plane where guilty is punished badly. But India’s religious viewpoints go a step further and describe it as a temporary plane of existence which a soul achieves due to it’s karma and when the fruits of karma is worked out souls come back to the Earthly plane to continue their journey towards Akal Purakh a few ones with a lot of naam kamai (earning of name of god) can continue to rise further without the need to come back to earth. Hence hell heaven are not the ultimate destination which souls must thrive to achieve as pointed by some schools of thought. All must thrive to achieve the ultimate destination that’s the abode of Akal Purakh known as Sach Khand (Realm of truth). This truth can be ascertained from Guru Granth Sahib too, guru sahib has indeed mentioned heaven and hell and their respective state of being far too many times in many Angs , but one baani of Asa Di Var is more than enough to verify that they are for real and particularly rejecting the above point of view. Ha▫o vicẖ ā▫i▫ā ha▫o vicẖ ga▫i▫ā. In ego man comes, in ego he departs. Ha▫o vicẖ jammi▫ā ha▫o vicẖ mu▫ā. In ego they are born, and in ego they die. …. …. Ha▫o vicẖ narak surag avṯār. In ego they go to heaven or hell. Now, any believer who contemplates on the above wordings he/she will have to agree that they are for real as they can’t go against Guru Sahib. It is for them who think that how hell heaven is a spiritual nearness and separateness from God , now a gursikh is taught a basic thing that more he sheds his ego , removes pride the more near he will go the Almighty Lord and result will be shown in his karma and activities. Each one knows that it is true and hence can’t be contradicted but if the first concept of heaven and hell is to be taken then we find that “In ego one goes to heaven” , wow.. literally meaning that one is getting near to god by living in ego, so Gursikho what’s the need to shed ego , remain in ego and go near near to god, now isn’t it sounding absurd?? Another thing that the last word “Avatar” is signifying the astral body, so no one can argue that it’s talking about next human birth.. Guru sahib could have used word like sareer, avastha.. the lines before and after these shabads are signifying the life and activities of Human beings , so that signifies that it is too related to Human beings. So my humble request to all, please remove the misconceptions of Heaven and hell from mind (if you have any)accept it as a reality to come afterlife and but a Gursikh always thrive for further spiritual rise hence surpassing states of Hell heaven and reaching the abode of Akal Purakh. Speaking on the second one , when one says that it is the enjoyments which one endures in human life then with all due respect I have to say that those Sikhs themselves are promoting the Manmukhi (materialness) Avasthaa. It is just like justifying the Islamic concept of heaven (again that’s spoken against by Sikhs & non Sikhs alike) but in earthly context. E.g. more you honor Allah , the more hooris & paris you will get , the more you abstain from drinking more wine you will get in heaven and indirectly those Sikhs themselves are endorsing this but in this Human Life. In that manner we may come to a conclusion that all developed countries , all rich-kids, all millionaires are enjoying heaven , while the unfortunate ones living in Dharaavi , slums , war torn countries are living in hell. Well if that would have been true there was no need for Mahatama Buddha to leave his palatial house for the search of truth neither there was a need for Guru Nanak to leave his home and go on so many Udaasis for spreading the message of truth they all must have thought that it’s a heaven that we have achieved hence we are near to god what’s the need. Neither there would have been any need for many Westerners to leave their developed nation and come as far as to India and parts of Asia to adopt the means of truthful life & peace. Same goes for poor , underprivileged ones.. gursikhs must remember that those same financially poor went on to become Sant Kabir, Baba Namdev , Sant Ravidass , yes those same highly evolved souls whose sayings have been recorded in Guru Granth Sahib if their bodily & financial condition could have been a living hell how could they have remembered lord in such a definite & in a loving way. Again it is true when we say that people on earth create Heaven-Like situation , Hell-like situation we have to agree those planes of existence are there that’s why the comparison takes place , similarly like in India when we say "oh see those Roads look like America, that beautiful area resembles Canada , xyz like the London" it’s not just our mere imagination we know that it’s for real and people/frequent travelers tells us like that , same goes for many gurus who are taking birth since ages and enlighting us with their god blessed wisdom. I will be pleased to have views of other gurshikhs here.. Thanking you.. bhul chuk maaf...
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