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Yeah so true. ha ha ha ha haaaah. Well said Bro.

Nothing so great about it Pen Jee, it was that much valuable for me. I mean, the post was simple yet meaningful, with kindness, and humility. Keep up good spirits

Good post Bro. He is everywhere and everything, this is fine and there is no doubt about it, but at our present level we have not that avastha to say it convincingly. We are talking more like conceptuals than what it really is about. And the fact is, He has created dualities, pair of opposites, diversity, multiplicity, gyan agyan, truth-untruth, birth - death and so on . And He wants us to discern and come out from all this paraphernalia, with the practical aid of Gurbani, and realize Him, not otherwise. As I said in my post above, we all know butter comes out from milk, but unless we apply a jugtee and bring out the butter from that milk, it would not be wise to say as butter is inthe milk, I will apply it on the toast and have, then this will only show our pettiness, for the slice bread will be drenched with milk, not butter for sure. Or as you said, He is everywhere and as He is good, so if I meet a tiger in the jungle, nothing will happen to me...what rubbish....looooollllll, that foolish person will be for sure a happy meal for the tiger... Please let us take care of what we say or express, and not just pour out our wild neurotical fancies, for with that attitude people can be drawn farther away from the Truth of Gurbani, except for a few who couragesly and politely see contacdictions and ask for clarifications. Though, if the person by itself is confused and yet believes to be right, hardly can it add any clarity or light to the matter in question. For god´s sake, He has given us some sense, let us make use of it, a bit though if not much.

Verily true, well said. Not only nirbhau and nirvair qualities of Waheguru can not be perceived until one reaches that higher avastha, but also any of the other qulaities such as omnipresence, omnipotence or omniscience among others. For though He is everything and everywhere, yet is of no use to us, for we have not realized or mnaifested Him within us. Just as we know butter is in the milk and comes by churning it, yet we can not say as the butter is in the milk so I will have it applied it on the toast. Radio waves/frecuencies are present everywhere, yet if we do not have a tv receiver or a radio receiver, we can not listen the news or see the tv. In a similar way, the Lord Waheguru is present everywhere, yet in spite of this fact, the evil doers incurr in their bad karam without shame. Neither does He do anything to stop not only this aspect, but as well as other happenings, for that purpose He made the law of Karam. It is only when with bhakti we establish Him within our minds by His grace, it is then when He is our rakhanhaar, our protector, our benefactor, for we have given ourself to Him unconditionally. So let us not say as seen and said by someone, that because He is everything and everywhere, all is good. Nope, that is not correct, it is cheating ourselves and others with fragile mind. Glad for you pen jee, you brought this positive point forward. SSA.

"I AM THE CREATOR OF MY SANSKARAS" LETS REFLECT. QUESTION :IF MY QUALITY IS LOVE, WHY DOSENT THIS NATURAL PERFUME SUPRESS OTHER FRAGRANCES? ANSWER :It is because the soul´s journey is much longer than one lifetime. For example — I the soul playing the part wearing this bodily costume — develop a habit of self criticism. This sanskar leaves a deep imprint on me. Now when I leave this body and take another one I will carry along this sanskar of self criticism with me. No doubt others influence us, but we influence ourselves the most. That's why we cannot blame others for how we are feeling. Whenever someone gives me 'criticism' or 'appreciation' I get a result only when I use it. His role was only limited to giving me that 'gift'. The way the gift is used and the result it brings are not in his control. That power lies completely with me. So let's put a full stop to whatever others have said in the past or are saying today. My energy is my own creation and I have the power to create my thoughts irrespective of what I receive from outside. The power lies only with ME. Always remember the thoughts I create are completely independent of the influence of the OUTER WORLD. The remote control of my mind needs to be only in my hands. This is something that I need to remind myself each day, because it is very easy easy to succumb to BLAMING OTHERS. Blaming others means holding people or situations responsible for how we are feeling. COMPLAINING means means finding fault with everything and everyone. We consider it normal and continue complaining without realizing the impact it is having on us. There is a vast difference in COMPLAINING and having a CONCERN. We need to understand this very clearly, COMPLAINING depletes our energy, and many of the times we are complaining about things that are not in our CONTROL. COMPLAINING means focusing on the problem, and CONCERN is focusing on the solution. We need to start RE-Programming our mind : AS ONLY , WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR LIFE Blaming makes no sense. Stay blessed. Best wishes

Brother, I do follow what you are trying to say. And as you have asked for an opinion, I will give you mine. Just imagine, a classroom with a teacher and his students. To those who are a bit less intelligent or attentive, he makes them sit in the front line, so that they could be more attentive to the lessons taught by him, while to those who are more sharp intellectualy, he makes them sit in the back rows, for he knows wherver they sit, they can easily grasp the teachings, yet that does not mean that he cares less for them. You see, a true Gurmukh is not something physical, he is more a spiritual being than what we can perceive. So, if he is a Gurmukh, and he has to give you something, he can give it to you even if we are 7 seas far away physically from him. For example Prithi Chand, was a son and a brother to 2 Guru sahiban, stayed under the same roof with them, had Their darshan most of the time, yet his wickedness had no limits. And there were sikh disciples of both 4 th and 5th Patshaeeya, who were quite distant from them, yet they were blessed with such love and faith in Them, that They were considered Akal Purkh by those sikhs. Physical nearness or distance is irrelevant, when it comes in terms of these Holy people, for if they have to give you something, they will give it you wherever you are, on the contrary, one may be behind them as shadows, and if they have nothing to give, you will never get it by physical nearness. So you see, we should not be much affected of how they deal with others, our main aim should be, that, if we have once identified Them as Gurmukhs by Their grace/kirpa, we should rather keep an eye ourselves and see if our love, faith and affection for them has not suffered any decrease in quality. That is it. As a sample, the below 2 verses from the Bani, describe the reality of the spiritual heights of Gurmukhs, Sant Jan, Bhagat Jan: ਮੋ ਕਉ ਦੀਜੈ ਦਾਨੁ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਸੰਤਨ ਪਗ ਰਾਲ ॥੨॥ Mo Ko Dheejai Dhaan Prabh Santhan Pag Raal ||2|| Bless me, O God, with the gift of the dust of the feet of the Saints. ||2|| ਜਗਤ ਉਧਾਰਨ ਸਾਧ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਤਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਲਾਗਹੁ ਪਾਲ ॥ Jagath Oudhhaaran Saadhh Prabh Thinh Laagahu Paal || God's Holy people are the saviors of the world; I grab hold of the hem of their robes. Raag Bilaaval Guru Arjan Dev SSA.

Brother, if it could be helpful somehow, following is some information which I found on the net and would like to share with the sangat here. Different words for the same and different ideas. Ekankar is a simplified version of other words which can also have slightly different meanings and across different teachings. This post is a bit rough and covers a lot of ground. However given the refs and the subject matter I think it's still worth posting. Someone might find it just the ticket one day for their own research. I suppose and title could be "don;t make rash assumptions. Ideas come from Knowledge, both inner and outer imho, in balance. Helps to get the basic knowledge accurate first, as hard as that can be sometimes. Wrong information leads to premature and incorrect conclusions. During the time of Nanak and the establishment of Sikhism various languages and semantics developed for the symbol ? , pronounced Ek Onkar, is the symbol that is used to represents the "One Supreme Reality" or "One God." Ik Onkar (Gurmukhi: ?, ??? ??????; Ikk Oankar Punjabi pronunciation: [?k? o??ka?]) is the symbol that represents the One Supreme Reality and is a central tenet of Sikh religious philosophy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ik_Onkar It has been represented as, or confused with, variant phrases such as: Ik Onkar, Ik Ong Kar, Ik Oankaar, Ek Oankar, Ek Oankaar, Ek Aumkaar, Ek Onkar, Ek Ong Kar, Ek Om Kar, EK-ANKAR, Ekankar, Ekankaar, Ekangkar, Ekanakar and others. These words don't necessarily mean the same thing, and can vary in meaning in different contexts. But Marman suggests in his book: "Sukhmani should be of particular interest to modern day followers of Eckankar, Sant Mat, and Radhasoami. The connection with Eckankar is especially strong. The Sukhmani opens with this line: "Ek Onkar Sat Guru Prasad." This means: "The One Reality - realized through the grace of the True Guru." Some translations spell it this way: "Ekankar Sat Guru Prasad." http://spiritualdialogues.com/books/sukhmani-the-secret-of-inner-peace/ I can't see other translations spelling it that way. Though sometimes 'Ek Onkar' could be spelled 'Ekankar' they don't use the latter in this mantra. However no one else except Marman seems to spell it that way, so it's probably not correct. Search for this Marman phrase of "Ekankar Sat Guru Prasad" (placing the "exact phrase" in quotes) Google search which gives the following 6 results: https://www.google.com.au/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q="Ekankar+Sat+Guru+Prasad" See? No one except for Marman spells the phrase Ik Ong Kar or Ek Onkar as "Ekankar" in the Sihk term: "Ik Ong Kar Sat Gur Prasad" or "Ek Onkar Sat Guru Prasad"!!! In fact the more common spelling today seems to be "Ek Ong Kar Sat Gur Prasad" In Google it brings about 27,600 results https://www.google.com.au/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q="Ek+Ong+Kar+Sat+Gur+Prasad" Unless one has a good knowledge of various languages and faiths, it's best not to rush to fast ahead. Many things that 'sound' similar may not be the very same thing, and so inaccurate connections can be made where none exists. --- The following may help to show how complex these words and meanings can be. Another translation for 'Ek Onkar Sat Gur Prasad' goes: "There is one Creator of all Creation. All is a blessing of the One Creator. This realization comes through Guru's Grace." http://www.spiritvoyage.com/mantra/Ek-Ong-Kar-Sat-Gur-Prasad/MAN-000028.aspx Guru Nanak spread a simple message of "Ek Ong Kar": we are all one, created by the "One Creator of all Creation." This was at a time when India was being torn apart by castes, sectarianism, religious factions, and fanaticism. He aligned with no religion, and respected all religions. He expressed the reality that there is one God and many paths, and the Name of God is Truth, "Sat Nam". https://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Gurudwara_Dashmesh_Darbar_Sahib#About_Sikhism This symbol ? pronounced Ek Onkar is the symbol that is used to represent the "One Supreme Reality" or "One God." https://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Ek_Onkar "Ek Oankaar" |? means There is only One God Ek = One There is but one God, the Sole Supreme Being, the Ultimate Reality. https://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Mool_Mantar So in this primary sense Ik Ong Kar / Ek Onkar typically means: the Sole Supreme Being, or One Supreme Reality, or One God, or the One Reality, or the Ultimate Reality, and One Creator of all Creation. So, basically this idea by Marman of "Ekankar Sat Guru Prasad" isn't really correct at all. Plus when Marman suggests: "The resemblance to Eckankar is no accident. Paul Twitchell derived the name for his modern teaching from this phrase." That claim too doesn't appear to stand up to investigation. On Sikhnet they suggest Ekankar can mean something different: "In this state He was Nirgun (without any attributes) or Nirankar (without any dimensional manifestations). "There is another representation of God in Nirgun state mentioned as Ekankar where singularity of God is emphasised in mathematical sense. The numeral one or 1 or Ek Ank (eyk AMk) is used as a representation of the oneness of God by calling transcendent God as Ekankar (eykMkwr). "The numeral one or Ik signifies the formless (Nirankar) as Ekankar immediately prior to ordering (Kawaao) or just before willing the creation of the physical universes. Bhai Gurdas elaborates this process of creation (Vaar 26.2) "From the Nirankar (formless) state (He) moved towards the infinite Ekankar state. From this Ekankaar the Oankar syllable sound helped create shapes." http://fateh.sikhnet.com//Sikhnet/discussion.nsf/SearchView/E7A41A235FC1861D87256BA10061A53E! OpenDocument Ek Oankar cosists of two components: Numeral One (refered to as Ekankar in SGGS) e.g. Prabh bhave ta kre visthar, Prabh bhave ta Ekankar.(Gauri Sukhmani) Oora charachter with open top and hora attached (referred to as Oankar) as in the composition Oankar in Ramkali Dakhani Rag. The two components joined together in the Ek Oankar or Beej Mantar as it is called does not simply mean God is one. This is too simplistic. http://fateh.sikhnet.com//sikhnet/discussion.nsf/78f5a2ff8906d1788725657c00732d6c/E9F19F0D0D81E07587256CBD005A70AD!OpenDocument --- One of Marman's sources for translations and Sikhism beliefs is Prof Devinder Singh Chahal, PhD, Institute for Understanding Sikhism who says: The symbol ? it is pronounced by many Sikh theologians as 'Ek Oankaar' or 'Ek Aumkaar' because they consider the open 'Oora' is the abbreviation of 'Oankaar' used in Gurbani. Many Sikh scholars relate 'Oankaar' to 'Aum' according to Vedic and Vedantic philosophy. This paper presents the findings of our continuous research into the meanings of the logo, < , coined by Guru Nanak. Here it has been fully documented that < stands for: 'Ek Oh Beant' (One and Only, Oh, Infinite). The first part # is generally pronounced by many Sikh theologians and scholars as eyku EAMkwru (Ek Oankaar) or eyku Emkwr (Ek Aumkaar). To pronounce / as eyku EAMkwru or eykMkwru (Ek Oankaar or Ekankaar) cannot be justified based on the fact that a Bani at pages 929-938 in AGGS is entitled as EAMkwru (Oankaar). If Guru Nanak can use EAMkwru in this Bani then he would have used it also in the Commencing Verse in place of / . Or # (Open Oora) could have been used in place of EAMkwru in rest of the Bani, but it is not so. Therefore, # (Open Oora) is entirely different than EAMkwru (Oankaar) or EMmkwru (Aumkaar) in meaning as well as in pronunciation. Besides / cannot be pronounced as eyku EAMkwru or eykMkwru (Ek Oankaar or Ekankaar) under any circumstances. If anybody needs more information, this is the link : https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/8dhAk9F6-II * The above presentation on the net is quite acceptable, yet if you ask my opinion, I would say, that Ikoankar means the one Creator Satnam, and while in Ikangkar, could very well be, The One, with one part /organ/limb, which is the Naad, the Shabad, the Nam, the Amrit Bani resounding throughout the creation, so the one with that Oneness, is none other than Waheguru Akal Purukh, so necessarily, it refers to that Primal Truth, the source of everything that exists throughout all the gross, subtle and spiritual realms, which is Satnam, as seen in the very begining in the Bani: Ik Oankar Satnam. SSA.

zereraz Bro, your post above is amazing, you have proven that with enthusiasm, determination and persistance , the highest of goals can be achieved, the thing is in doing it. Well, I am very much glad for you, may Waheguru bless you and you go still further and farther, until merging in Him. You see, when I said deep love for Him, i did not meant to understimate you in any way, but I meant wanting Hm alone above and before anything, that is it. Do not worry nor be in a haste for any visible progress, but just pray to Him to guide you towards Him, and bless you stay in His bhaana at all times. I have herad, that He is more eager to give Himself to us, than we wanting Him, so just trust Him, and remain as a kookar at His door with your love and devotion, without expecting anything, for He knows best what, when and whom to give, our main preocupation is to keep checking ourselves that we have not got derailed from the path of bhakti. As it is said, if we believe He has the power to give, that it is also true, He also knows whta and when to give, it is only we have to remain receptive to His grace. So, what is to remain receptive to His grace or kirpa? It is in trying to please Him with that what He most likes. So what is that He likes most? As per Bani, it is to constantly remember Him through His simran, apart from doing daily meditative practices of His simran. You are right, Gurbani is a practical manual of instructions so to say, for efficiently loving Him and reuniting our surtees with Him. Any praises of Gurbani are just limited and poor expressions, the beauty of Gurbani can only be felt, when we devoutly workout as per its pure and undiluted teachings, as seen in the following verse "JIN HAR JAPEEYA SE HAR HOEEYA" Stay blessed. SSA.

My 2 cents is that, as once I heard in a katha of sant Maskeen Singh, is that among all relations, the one with the Guru is the most relevant. Just as one can live some time without eating, lesser than that would be without water, but it would be impossible without air. In that respect, Guru is as important as air for us, for having the luminous Guru, we escape from the painful cycle of 84, and become aware of our spiritual reality, then only we live and merge in the highest and eternal Truth of Satnam.

Brother Guest Singh, The only hukum of God is purify yourself with the bhakti of Nam and return back into me. For the rest of things we have a limited free will as long as also we do not incur in more karam. Though it is also true, that unless one is blessed with deep true love for His lotus feet, thus wanting Him only at all times, people do have higher fantasies, that only shows how weak and low one is, for leaving aside that one eternal and changeless highest Truth, we still have other desires... But brother that also as seen in the Bani, it is in no one's hands to want and love Him above all and everything, and at the same time by fulfilling our duties with our fellow beings. SSA.

Q) Dear Sachay Patshah, how would you summarize the essence of true spirituality in a single verse for a limited manmukh like me? A) ਮੈਇਕੁਨਾਮੁਨਵੀਸਰੈਸਾਚੇਗੁਰਬੁਧਿ॥੨॥ Mai Eik Naam N Veesarai Saachae Gur Budhh ||2|| May I never forget the Naam, the Name of the One Lord. This is the wisdom of the True Guru. ||2||

Q), Guru Jee, I desire to see Him, what should I do? A) Please listen carefully: ਰਾਮੁਜਪਹੁਮੇਰੀਸਖੀਸਖੈਨੀ॥ Raam Japahu Maeree Sakhee Sakhainee || Meditate on the Lord by repeating His name, O my friends and companions. ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁਸੇਵਿਦੇਖਹੁਪ੍ਰਭੁਨੈਨੀ॥੧॥ਰਹਾਉ॥ Sathigur Saev Dhaekhahu Prabh Nainee ||1|| Rehaao || for by devoting yourself as prescribed by the Guru, you shall behold God with your eyes.

Q) Dear Guru Jee how can I wash my sins? A) dear sikh, listen carefully and follow it implicitly if you want to become clean and pure: ਅਵਰੁਨਅਉਖਧੁਤੰਤਨਮੰਤਾ॥ Avar N Aoukhadhh Thanth N Manthaa || There is no other medicine, Tantric charm or mantra. ਹਰਿਹਰਿਸਿਮਰਣੁਕਿਲਵਿਖਹੰਤਾ॥ Har Har Simaran Kilavikh Hanthaa || For meditative remembrance alone upon the Lord, Har, Har, destroys sins.

Q) Dear Guru Jee, please tell us how can we please You? A) dear sikh, listen carefully and keep it fixed in your mind at all times: ਜੋਸਾਸਿਗਿਰਾਸਿਧਿਆਏਮੇਰਾਹਰਿਹਰਿਸੋਗੁਰਸਿਖੁਗੁਰੂਮਨਿਭਾਵੈ॥ Jo Saas Giraas Dhhiaaeae Maeraa Har Har So Gurasikh Guroo Man Bhaavai || One who meditates on my Lord, Har, Har, with every breath and every morsel of food - that GurSikh becomes pleasing to the Guru's Mind. *Note: here Guru Jee is telling us that if we want to please Him, we should remember Him at all times through His simran. Yet sadly many arise questions by saying it is foolish in engaging in this highest devotion as regarded by Guru Jee. What a pitiful scene, they who say such nonsense themselves are blind and lead others to the dark pitch of deep ignorance.

Q)Dear Guru Jee, what ardaas should one place before Him? A)Listen carefully my dear sikh: ਹਰਿਜੀਉਆਗੈਕਰੀਅਰਦਾਸਿ॥ Har Jeeo Aagai Karee Aradhaas || I offer that prayer to the Lord, ਸਾਧੂਜਨਸੰਗਤਿਹੋਇਨਿਵਾਸੁ॥ Saadhhoo Jan Sangath Hoe Nivaas || That I might dwell in the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy. ਕਿਲਵਿਖਦੁਖਕਾਟੇਹਰਿਨਾਮੁਪ੍ਰਗਾਸੁ॥੯॥ Kilavikh Dhukh Kaattae Har Naam Pragaas ||9|| For there, sins and sufferings are erased, and one is illumined with the Lord's Name. ||9||

ਬਿਨੁਨਾਵੈਕਿਆਲਹਸਿਨਿਦਾਨਿ॥੬॥ Bin Naavai Kiaa Lehas Nidhaan ||6|| Without the Name, what can the fool obtain? *To those who try to reach the Lord with all other practices but not Nam, Guru Jee calls them fools, for they can at most obtain Swarg or Baikunth, but not the realm of the True Lord Waheguru.