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19 hours ago, Soulfinder said:

Here is the full shabad which dass took screenshots of

 

Just fantastic the Shabad.

On 10/2/2015 at 9:53 PM, SAadmin said:

The primary teaching of every religion? Funny yet truthful meme

 

 

What a contradiction in the mesage above,  of the messengers/prophets of all those dharmas; where it somehow says to  respect and treat others as you would want others to behave with you.

But the reality in the world is : eliminate anyone who does not believe or think like you.... 

Shame on mankind....stupidity has no limits, then too they foolishly say: we are religious ...

What a bad  joke.

15 hours ago, PCSJZ said:

 

What you have said all makes sense,  however I do have 1 question still.

 

1)Regarding the point about those with perfect destiny will unite with Waheguru. I dont and cant doubt Waheguru but maybe my small mind isnt understanding this correctly.

As in my example. The particular person has only now paid attention to what the gurmukh has been saying and has started doing sangat and abhiyas. So if we say he has the perfect destiny but only the gurmukh can see it hence the reason he has put so much time and effort in trying to convince this person to attend sangat.

on the other hand, you have the other person who may not have perfect destiny therefore not destined to meet Waheguru yet he tries his hardest to live life the correct way, does his abhiyas, does sangat, follows anything that a gurmukh may say straightaway and has a yearning to meet Waheguru but just because of past kamai and not having the perfect destiny he is not meant to meet Waheguru? 

Is this fair?

 

2)Someone that has no appreciation gets everything but the one that tries day and night doesnt even get a look in because hes not meant to?

Again maybe i have completely misunderstood, maybe because i have been more and more disheartened the last few weeks so im thinking more negative. However i have heard this concept of perfect destiny before and i admit i do not fully understand.

bhul chuk maaf.

Wjkk Wjkf

Brother PCSJZ,

just sharing my own views towards your queries, and please do not feel sorry for asking any questions there is absolutely  nothing wrong in them, as I said they are normal to an extent, as we are all seekers, struggling souls in finding our way towards Him.

1) I follow what you say, but please bear in mind, that from our actual position/level, we are only seeing the present condition of the people, which is very much limited, we know nothing of the past of these jeevas/souls.

Maybe, that person which is not worthy in our eyes now, but has come in contact with a Gurmukh, has a lesser amount of karmas to be cleared  off in this very birth, but, it is up to us, if we colaborate with the Gurmukh and make his task easy, so that he can gently hold us by the hand and take us back with him, or, we can be nuaghty and pay no attention, thus he may have to pull us from the ear, which we may dislike, but it is up to us how attentive and starightforward we are, because in any case as said in my post above, by all means that gurmukh will take that particular jeeva with him in the jahaaz of Nam, for it has been so ordered by Him.

So to say fair or unfair,  that is a very relative and a limited perspective of ours, for  if we could arise within ourselves and see how the law of karama is working throughout the creation we would never say this or that, but of course we have to reach that avastha, and for the time being, trying to assimilate that whatever happens, is according to the perfect law of action and reaction, and also His grace.

 

2) Please do not be disheartened at all.

All and everyone can meet Waheguru, if only the right devotion is performed as per Gurbani, which is none other than Nam bhakti.

The gurmukh is not something limited to the physical, he is very much spiritual of the highest avastha, and aware of whatever is going around here and anywhere with everyone and all,  yet he very much respects the laws of Nature by  not interfereing and modifying them, for he stays in His Bhaana at all times,  and then also he has his own ways in calling and cleaning any jeeva under his responsibilty to be brought back Home.

Having said that, one thing I can assure you is that, if that person who is worthy or good according to you, but is not in conatact with the gurmukh, yet he is a good human being and has love and longing for Waheguru, and keeps the company of the gurmukh by listening to his discourses here and there, and also having his purifying darshans, all that is added to the  credit of the sikh/seeker, thus in the coming births, will surely bear its fruits,  of being under the shelter of a gurmukh of that time.... so nothing, or no effort of wanting and going towards Waheguru ever goes in waste.

We must have faith and love at the lotus feet of Waheguru, that is important, rest He will take care of. 

It is more to Waheguru, who pulls us from within towards Himself, than we moorakhs and manmukhs wanting to go back to Him.

 

Stay blessed.

SSA.

 

On 12/7/2020 at 10:47 AM, PCSJZ said:

This makes perfect sense. Thank you so much for this. I know that ultimately our goal is to meet Waheguru and along that journey is guess we dont need to impress anyone except Waheguru. (If thats the right word).

I guess in this case, the person in question is someone i know well.

1)The Gurmukh has been calling on them to attend sangat for a few years now (they used to attend and then stopped).

The Gurmukh seems to take extra time out for them when all i see is that person doesnt really seem to care and takes it for granted.

They have now started sangat so maybe that is why the gurmukh tried so hard.

In my own little mind at one point i was thinking if they really dont seem to care then why is this gurmukh trying so hard?

There are so many others that are willing to listen and do whatever it takes yet they get no attention? 
 

2)Like i say though, thats just my own small mindedness and silly thinking i guess and I need to focus more on what im doing instead of what is happening around me.

I get doubts though, that will Waheguru ever accept me?

Gurbani says there is no difference between Waheguru and the mind of a gurmukh so if a gurmukh doesnt like me then what chance do i have with Waheguru?

sorry I know im rambling but i dont really talk to anyone about this and find i can do it here easier

Wjkk Wjkf

 

SSA PCSJZ Jee,

do not worry for your queries, for as long as they are sincere as a seeker and have no malice in them, they are but just normal. 

Gurmukhs or Sant Janas, just do not randomly  pull those "particular souls" and put them on the right tracks  just like that, it is by His hukum that He comes for those souls.

Gurbani beautifully refers to those souls as wadbhagee jeevas.

 

Bhoolay marag jinaay bataaya, aisa Gur wadbhagee paaya.

Those astrayed, who are shown the correct path,  with great good fortune meet the Guru.

Or as seen at other place in words of Third Patshahee:

Dhanaasree mehlaa 3.

satgur bhaytay poorai bhaag.
But by perfect destiny, they meet the True Guru;

 

For example in the Bible also, Christ a saint of  high avasthaa says:

I have come to collect the marked sheep by my Father. At other palce he says: my sheep will hear my whistle and come to me. 

Christ was mystic, so in the above sentence we should not take the words literally as sheep or whistle, but see to what he really refers to 

 

In both the examples above, this is quite true, for as we all know, Fourth and Fifth Patshahees were Akal Purukh in human form, and were father and brother to the wicked  Prithi Chand, who lived under the same roof and had Their darshan as much as any sikh disciple would desire, yet, as he was not meant to come out of the net of Maya, he continued with his ignorance and wickedness and incuring in bad karam.

 

So you see, many a times we may have a gurmukh as our neighbour, in the same village or state or country, but if one is not meant for the time being, one will never believe in that gurmukh.

People do mistake Vishnu avatars as equal for Guru Sahiban, Gurmukhs, Bhagat Janas  or Sant Janas, as forms of Akal Purukh.

There is huge difference among them.

Vishnu avatars come to restore dharam on earth, and fight the tyranny, and through devotion take their devotees at most to the realm of Baikunth or Swarg.

While, Guru Sahiban or Bhagat Jan, come to set free from the mayavee creation for once and ever with the aid of Nam bhakti.

Vishnu avatars display miraculous powers and have their spouses,  weapons,  or animals with them... a lot of variety of everything around them, which impress the mortal beings and thus worship them, and keep them entagled in jap, tap, poojas, patahs, pilgrimages, idol worship...etc

On the other side, Guru Sahiban, come as ordinary human beings while they are the very essence Akal Purukh Himself, never ever display powers or claim to be something but call themselves as a sewadaar of everybody, such pure is their humility, and their main purpose is to only reunite the soul with Satnam, Waheguru, with the aid of Nam bhakti, and realize that Ultimate Truth nowhere outside, but within ourselves. 

If you pay attention to each verse in each Ang of the Bani, you will see only mahima of Nam the true creator, the Ultimate Truth.

Following are some more beauti ful verses from the Bani which are related  to your queries: 

Vin Naavai, Ko Mukath N Hoe
But without the Name, no one is liberated
Raag Gauri Guaarayree Guru Amar Das 

Kal Mehi Guramukh Outharas Paar
In this Dark Age of Kali Yuga, only the Gurmukhs cross over
Raag Gauri Guaarayree Guru Amar Das 

Gur Parasaadhee, Milai Har Soee
By Guru's Parsad of Nam, one meets the Lord.
Raag Gauri Guru Amar Das

har mandar sabday khojee-ai har naamo layho samaal. 
The Temple of the Lord is found through the Word of the Shabad; contemplate the Lord's Name.
har mandar ayhu sareer hai, gi-aan ratan pargat ho-ay.
This body is the Temple of the Lord, in which the jewel of spiritual wisdom is revealed
Raag Prabhaatee Guru Amar Das

SaaDhoo sang sikhaa-i-o naam.
In the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, the Naam is learned
Raag Aasaa, Guru Arjun Dev

Sant parsaad, japai har naa-o.
By the Parsad of Nam of the Saints, one chants the Lord's Name.
Raag Gwaarayaree, Guru Arjun Dev.

Sant parsaad taray bhavjal, poorab likhi-aa paa-i-aa.
By the Grace of the Saints, they cross over the terrifying world-ocean, and obtain their pre-ordained destiny
Raag Bihagraa Guru Arjun Dev

Naam a-ukhaDh, so-ee jan paavai.
He alone receives the panacea, the medicine of the Naam,
kar kirpaa jis aap divaavai.
unto whom the Lord, in His Grace, bestows it.
Raag Gauree Gwaarayree, Guru Arjun Dev

naanak parabh karee kirpaa, pooraa satgur paa-i-aa. 
Nanak, God has granted His Grace, and I have found the Perfect True Guru
Raag Ramkalee Guru Arjun Dev.

Nanak, Sadh, Prabh, bhed nahee bahee
Nanak proclaims, there is no difference between a Sadh, a Gurmukh and the one Lord Wahiguru.
Sukhmani Sahib, Guru Arjrun Dev

 

So you see, the teachings of Guru Sahiban, Gurmukhs and Bhagat Jan, are only relataed to our true spiritual nature as souls, and Waheguru, Nam or Shabad as our only origin in Sach Khand, there where only He one exists, no spouses, no children, no siblings, no cows, tigers, bulls, rats, lions or snakes, no roaming about in heavenly chariots etc ....  etc  .... etc ....

One thing we must bear in mind and that is, though all this variety of creations, celestial beings, trinities, people exist, it is because of His hukum, thus we should respect everything created by Him and not enter into controversies or disputes with them, for if such is His hukum who can go against it? Though we may never ever understand it.... We do not even know our tuchh mind/pettiness, how can we ever understand His beant wadeeayee...

 

As much as possible, our aim and attention should not be on what others are doing, but on ourselves, if we are living our lives as per the pure and paviter teachings of the Bani, for it is only by applying it practically in our daily lives, can we get His kirpa and thus cross  the mahabhavsagar, not otherwise.

 

About your question of Waheguru accepting you .... I would say, not only you but all of the infinte drops of jeev atmaas are very dear to Him. 

We see variety of people, or dharmas, of this and that, but He sees only His same Jot in all. It is only out of ignorance we get into controversies, but if we  live accordingly to the teachings we will never get into disputes or quarrels, for our main concern will be on focusing and saving ourselves, each jeev atma has chalked destiny to fulfill due to their own past karam.

Also, you can just pray to Him to  bless you with His kirpa and let you live and follow Gurabni as stated in it by our beloved Guru Sahiban and Bhagat Jan.

 

To end this post today, I would like to end it with a beautiful verse from the Gurbani of First Patshahee :

Eko Nam hukum hae Nanak   Satgur  dheea bujhaae  jeeo.

 

SSA. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Q) Dearest Guru Jee, how to recognize His grace on someone, I mean, what are the signs of that His blessings?

A) Indeed a avery good question my dear sikh, please listen carefully :

ਜਿਸ ਨੋ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਕਰੇ ਗੁਰੁ ਮੇਲੇ ਸੋ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਸਮਾਲਿ ॥

Jis No Kirapaa Karae Gur Maelae So Har Har Naam Samaal ||

Those whom the Lord  in His Mercy unites with the Guru, reflect(meditate) upon the Name of the Lord, Har, Har.

 

Q) Dear Guru Jee, after giving us the sat gyan through the Bani out of Your apaar grace, is there anything which You would like to tell me and give me as your parsad in simple words?

A) Yes my dear sikh, leave everything aside if you want to meet and see me in my true Shabad roop within, faithfully  keep in mind this my hukum at all times:

ਏਕੋ ਨਾਮੁ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਹੈ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਤਿਗੁਰਿ ਦੀਆ ਬੁਝਾਇ ਜੀਉ ॥੫॥

Eaeko Naam Hukam Hai Naanak Sathigur Dheeaa Bujhaae Jeeo ||5||

The One Name is the Lord's Command; O Nanak, the True Guru has given me this understanding. ||5||

 

20 hours ago, Guest New to simran said:

Still you are in my thoughts ">. How will I ever forget the friend I met while searching for God’s gate who said yes this is right path, continue walking.

Dear Guest New to simran,

He is the only doer, the one pulling all the strings, nothing happens without His hukum.

If He wants, He can make even stones carry out His hukum. 

So  Guest Jee, it is all His credit alone.

He has mysterious and wonderous ways to bring jeev atmas to walk the path leading to Him.

Ultimately, one has to leave everything and  see Him alone in the horizons. He is only the beloved Sachay Patshaah, and we His lovers.

Yes, we have to be good and helpful to all, as all carry His light, and as all of us are struggling souls in this mayevee creation, finding our way to go back to Him. 

It takes nothing to be kind and a helpful hand.

Stay blessed.

SSA.

 

 

Q) Dearest Guru Jee, why is it that if throughout Gurbani supreme importance of devotion of Nam bhakti is told us to be practiced, yet people try so many ways mainly due accordingly to their understanding and perception of what bhakti is all about ?

 

A) Dear sikh, please do understand that absolutely nobody can do this pure and highest bhakti of Nam by themselves, as seen in the following verse of Sree Guru Arjun Dev Maharaj:

ਜਿਸੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਤਿਸੁ ਆਪਨ ਨਾਇ ਲਾਵੈ ॥

Jis Bhaavai This Aapan Naae Laavai ||

He attaches whomever He pleases to His Name.

 

*It is absolutely in His hands, that to whom He wants to pull back to Himself,  He attaches that jeev atma into the bhakti of His holy Name.

Others will just swim above it, or find it boring and ignore it.

 

Brother,

just see the image below, about the supreme importance of a Guru,  of the level of Guru Sahiban, or the Bhagat Jan mentioned in the Gurbani, who while being at our human level in the gross creation, are very much one with that One, namely Waheguru Akal Purukh.

Their physical body is just a covering, a means, to awaken us to that awareness of their true essence or nature, which is of  them being Shabad Guru.

Neither the physical body is the disciple or sikh, nor the physical body of Guru Sahiban is their real form, for both will one day have to leave their outer coverings. 

True spiritual form never changes, nor diminishes nor grows, neitehr passes away, the bodies are just a consequence made out of the 5 perishable tattwas, so you see the bodies as we tend to believe generally, are not the true nature or essence for they perish away in due time.

It is the soul which is the true disciple, and it is the Shabad Guru who is the True Guru within, where He protects and guides the soul with His finer qualities such as Jot, Dhun, kirpa and  pyaar, finally to the realm of highest and eternal Truth/Satnam, in Sach Khand.

 

 

Gurbani is nothing, but a sweet song of  the beant wadeeayee of Guru Jee and Waheguru Akal Purukh.

Stay blessed.

SSA.

20 hours ago, PhunkeyPhish said:

a) Thank you for that in depth reply to my question.

b) I agree with you to a large extent that Sikhi does place a lot of emphasis on the grace of God, although I have come across some schools of modified non-dualism that emphasize this a lot, as well.

c) One question that arises a lot when I read Gurbani is who is the Guru that the Gurus are referencing... I take it to be Waheguru, or God, or whatever name one wants to place on the supreme being, am I correct in that understanding? 

a) You are most welcome. 

b) Everything is possible by His grace alone, without grace absolutely nothing happens, that is also His Hukum, for we are already weak and low with the addition of the heavy load of the karmas being collected and created, since we stepped into the mayavee creation, though we are not aware of this very heavy load, just because we do not see nor perceive the subtle planes, we are more oriented outwards than in going within and see the reality and facts of the subtle and spiritual realms.

c) About the question which arises in your mind when reading Gurbani, it clearly refers to His manifestaions at our human level, like Guru Sahiban, Bhagat Jan, Sant Jan, who come only to awaken us to the awareness of that primal and eternal changless Truth of Sat-Nam, which we also call it Shabad, Anhad Bani, Sachee Bani, Waheguru, or commonly God, or the Word in chiristianism,  and though there are countless such names, but all these refer to that Highest level of consciousness, or that Creative Power, which has created all that exists, whether seen or unseen by us, creations upon creations .... which are as just infinite, such is His greatness....beyond any words, beyond any imagination, which even the gods and devtays(spiritual entities) know anything about Him.

And they awaken us to that awareness, for the only purpose of our reunificatio with Him, but alas such a pity,almost nobody pays attention to what they tell us to do through the Bani. 

This very same universal message is now being carried forward by Sree Guru Granth Sahib Jee for the present and future genertions of mankind, irrespective of creed, caste and genders .

Yet in spite of that we prefer to do many other things taking them to be equivalent or substitutes, but nevertheless it is so.

It is like let us say, for example we have a recipe book ... it does not matter how many hours and times one keeps reading the recipe... the hunger will not go away, unless one gets those ingredients and cook them as instructed.

I was just thinking how to answer you, but thankfully got in mind the following Shabad from Guru Jee, where He clearly at least from my point of view, answers, not only the question you asked above, but much much more, where doubts just get melted away, for it is not any man made wisdom, but direct instruction from He Himself in the human form of Guru Sahiban.

 

Please go through it slowly an carefully, for it contains the amazing revelations of pure spirituality, try to sip and savour each and every shabad in the following verses, which are full of Amrit:

 

ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥

Sireeraag Mehalaa 5 ||

Siree Raag, Fifth Mehl:

ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ (ਮਃ ੫) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਅੰਗ ੪੪

ਸਭੇ ਥੋਕ ਪਰਾਪਤੇ ਜੇ ਆਵੈ ਇਕੁ ਹਥਿ ॥

Sabhae Thhok Paraapathae Jae Aavai Eik Hathh ||

All things are received if the One is obtained.

 

ਜਨਮੁ ਪਦਾਰਥੁ ਸਫਲੁ ਹੈ ਜੇ ਸਚਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਕਥਿ ॥

Janam Padhaarathh Safal Hai Jae Sachaa Sabadh Kathh ||

The precious gift of this human life becomes fruitful when one chants the True Word of the Shabad.

 

ਗੁਰ ਤੇ ਮਹਲੁ ਪਰਾਪਤੇ ਜਿਸੁ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਹੋਵੈ ਮਥਿ ॥੧॥

Gur Thae Mehal Paraapathae Jis Likhiaa Hovai Mathh ||1||

One who has such destiny written on his forehead enters the Mansion of the Lord's Presence, through the Guru. ||1||

 

ਮੇਰੇ ਮਨ ਏਕਸ ਸਿਉ ਚਿਤੁ ਲਾਇ ॥

Maerae Man Eaekas Sio Chith Laae ||

O my mind, focus your consciousness on the One.

 

ਏਕਸ ਬਿਨੁ ਸਭ ਧੰਧੁ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਮਿਥਿਆ ਮੋਹੁ ਮਾਇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

Eaekas Bin Sabh Dhhandhh Hai Sabh Mithhiaa Mohu Maae ||1|| Rehaao ||

Without the One, all entanglements are worthless; emotional attachment to Maya is totally false. ||1||Pause||

 

ਲਖ ਖੁਸੀਆ ਪਾਤਿਸਾਹੀਆ ਜੇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਨਦਰਿ ਕਰੇਇ ॥

Lakh Khuseeaa Paathisaaheeaa Jae Sathigur Nadhar Karaee ||

Hundreds of thousands of princely pleasures are enjoyed, if the True Guru bestows His Glance of Grace.

 

ਨਿਮਖ ਏਕ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਦੇਇ ਮੇਰਾ ਮਨੁ ਤਨੁ ਸੀਤਲੁ ਹੋਇ ॥

Nimakh Eaek Har Naam Dhaee Maeraa Man Than Seethal Hoe ||

If He bestows the Name of the Lord, for even a moment, my mind and body are cooled and soothed.

 

ਜਿਸ ਕਉ ਪੂਰਬਿ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਤਿਨਿ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਚਰਨ ਗਹੇ ॥੨॥

Jis Ko Poorab Likhiaa Thin Sathigur Charan Gehae ||2||

Those who have such pre-ordained destiny hold tight to the Feet of the True Guru. ||2||

 

ਸਫਲ ਮੂਰਤੁ ਸਫਲਾ ਘੜੀ ਜਿਤੁ ਸਚੇ ਨਾਲਿ ਪਿਆਰੁ ॥

Safal Moorath Safalaa Gharree Jith Sachae Naal Piaar ||

Fruitful is that moment, and fruitful is that time, when one is in love with the True Lord.

 

ਦੂਖੁ ਸੰਤਾਪੁ ਨ ਲਗਈ ਜਿਸੁ ਹਰਿ ਕਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਅਧਾਰੁ ॥

Dhookh Santhaap N Lagee Jis Har Kaa Naam Adhhaar ||

Suffering and sorrow do not touch those who have the Support of the Name of the Lord.

 

ਬਾਹ ਪਕੜਿ ਗੁਰਿ ਕਾਢਿਆ ਸੋਈ ਉਤਰਿਆ ਪਾਰਿ ॥੩॥

Baah Pakarr Gur Kaadtiaa Soee Outhariaa Paar ||3||

Grasping him by the arm, the Guru lifts them up and out, and carries them across to the other side. ||3||

 

ਢੋਈ ਤਿਸ ਹੀ ਨੋ ਮਿਲੈ ਜਿਨਿ ਪੂਰਾ ਗੁਰੂ ਲਭਾ ॥

Dtoee This Hee No Milai Jin Pooraa Guroo Labhaa ||

He alone finds shelter, who has met the Perfect Guru.

 

ਥਾਨੁ ਸੁਹਾਵਾ ਪਵਿਤੁ ਹੈ ਜਿਥੈ ਸੰਤ ਸਭਾ ॥

Thhaan Suhaavaa Pavith Hai Jithhai Santh Sabhaa ||

Embellished and immaculate is that place where the Saints gather together.

 

ਨਾਨਕ ਬਧਾ ਘਰੁ ਤਹਾਂ ਜਿਥੈ ਮਿਰਤੁ ਨ ਜਨਮੁ ਜਰਾ ॥੪॥੬॥੭੬॥

Naanak Badhhaa Ghar Thehaan Jithhai Mirath N Janam Jaraa ||4||6||76||

Nanak builds his house upon that site where there is no death, no birth, and no old age. ||4||6||76||

 

 

 

*Just a humble request: please go through ths particular shabad  as many times as needed, try to see the depth in these verses fom different angles,  until  you get nearest to what Guru Jee is trying to convey us in them.

Try to digest the pure wisdom and Truth in them, then, if still you have any questions, you are most welcome, myself or any membr of this respectable forum will surely try and answer you.

Stay blessed.

SSA.

 

Being Born Female Is Karmic Punishment?

No, it is not and it can never be a punishment.  

 

As long as spirituality is concerned in the eyes of Guru Jee, it is purity and love for Waheguru alone which counts.

Let us see what does Guru Jee tells us in this respect:

 

ਨਾਨਕ ਸਚੁ ਧਿਆਇਨਿ ਸਚੁ ॥

Naanak Sach Dhhiaaein Sach ||

O Nanak, true are those who meditate on the True One.

 

ਜੋ ਮਰਿ ਜੰਮੇ ਸੁ ਕਚੁ ਨਿਕਚੁ ॥੧॥

Jo Mar Janmae S Kach Nikach ||1||

Those who are subject to birth and death are totally false. 

 

Guru Jee does not make distinctions on the containers/shapes, sizes nor colors, for it is the contents( soul purity) that counts in His eyes.

 

SSA.

On 11/13/2020 at 2:53 AM, PhunkeyPhish said:

a) I'm relatively new to Sikhi, study/practicing off and on for several years now. I am even newer to Advaita Vedanta, but through the studies of it so far it seems like there are many, many similarities between the two paths. It seems like maybe the biggest difference is the emphasis put on devotion to Waheguru, or Brhaman, or whatever name you want to apply, but the essential teaching and philosophy is pretty similar.

b)What do you guys who probably know way more about Sikhi and maybe Vedanta, as well, think? 

 

Welcome PhunkeyPhish.

a) I would say, many paths have a similar start, but is only the farthest reach which counts. 

For example one goes to a shopping mall, and just imagine, on the first floor only silver is found, on the second floor only gold is found, and on the third floor there are only diamonds, but to reach each floor one has to take an escalator or go by stairs, which is common to start with for going any of the three floors. It all depends what one is looking for, and if one is to pay the price of it

In a similar way, many paths may seem fine and similar, but is by great good fortune(kirpa), one reaches the highest goal.

 

b) As for what I have seen in the teachings of Bhagat Jan, Guru Sahiban and Gurmukhs, the main and essential difference between sikhee and other paths, is that in Sikhee, all and everything revolves around the Guru, without whom, nothing can be acheived.

Then also, there is no need of variety of different spiritual entities which do exist, and for us as sikhs they are very much respected, but not at all sought, for our goal and destiny is only:  Ik Oankar Satnam.

That is it.

For example, in Gurbani it says: 

Bin Satgur kinnay na paayo, bin Satgur kinnay paaya.

This means, without Satguru nobody ever obtained anything(Waheguru Akal Purukh), and without the Satguru nobody ever obtained Him(Waheguru Akal Purukh).

Sikhee means, a path of discipleship, so naturally if there is  disciple, there has to be a Guru, otherwise it is not sikhee, it can be anything but not sikhee as per teachings in the Gurbani.

In other paths howsoever respectable, everything depends on one´s efforts or actions, in Sikhee, one has to surrender oneself to the Guru and depend alone on His grace, for the inner ptah is so narrow and dark, that in reference to that Guru, the second Patshahee Sree Guru Angad Dev Maharaj says: 

 

So you see, it is only by being in the company of Satguru, or call it Shabad Guru, can one reach that abode of eternity and changless Truth of Satnam.

At other place the Bani tells us: Nanak,  Naam  jahaaz hae, jinee cahreeya se utareeya paar.

With this it is telling us, o Nanak, the Nam is the vessel or aircraft, in which whosoever boards on is carried across.

This Naam refered in the Bani is the Shabad Guru also, for by holding on to the pallav of  this Guru, one is ferried across, it does not matter how many thousand other practices one may incurr into, but if one has not got hold of Naam, one is left behind in the painful cycle of births and deaths.

If one goes through the Gurbani with attention, it shows nothing but instructions to love and follow diligently and faithfully the teachings of Guru Sahiban.

Just to summarize in a way Sikhee, it could well be:

Jin Har japeeya se Har hoeeya.

He/She whosoever repeated His holy Name and manifested it within, becomes one with Him without any distinction.

I would suggest you to go to the depths of the utterly sweet and beautiful, uncomparable and unfathoamble Gurbani, and by His grace reach the highest goal.

Stay blessed.

Sat Sree Akal.

 

How can we learn to concentrate better?

Though this is quite an old thread, yet it deals with something which is very much affecting to most of us.

There are several threads, posts on this forum dealing with this question, yet I would like to add my 2 cents: 

First of all no rush, for good concentration is a stage, an advanced avastha. 

Just as a good runner, had to first learn to stand on  his/her own feet, then stumbled while learning to walk, fell down and got up umpteen times, then with practice and patience, became a good runner.

Similarly, in meditation, concentration, some points are needed to be kept in mind, for those who pretend to walk on the narrow path of spirituality.

Purity in thoughts is required, then no toxicants such as tobacco, drugs or alcohol;  satwic food is required.

To concentrate better, we have to keep an eye on our mind, our thoughts.

This can only be done, by slowly become mindless.

So naturally, the question arises, how can we become mindless?

To that, the answer is His simran, His kirpa, His bakshish. 

His holy Name, is the only antidote to subdue and literally knock out the mind, once the mind is defeated,  it is only highway with no traffic (mind, thoughts) at all to His darbar, then our speed is like a bullet shot from a gun.

While repeating His holy Name, we should be absorbed so much in it, that only that exists for us, for it is only that what we see and hear within.

But to start with, we have to struggle and trust Him at all times without loosing courage nor faith, for the mind has been misguiding us since we step into the mayavee creation, and is not willing to loose control over our surtees.

The mind only derives power from the soul consciousness by dragging it into maya; once with the aid of Gurbani, one becomes aware of the Truth of His Name, then all our actions will go into that direction where we can for sure go and meet our beloved Sachay Patshaah Waheguru Akal Purukh, but  by first becoming mindless with concentration or better said, in succeeding in killing the mind.

SSA.

 

21 minutes ago, Jageera said:

Yes fearlessness would go away as dead mauled bodies have no fear in them

Yeah so true.

ha ha ha ha haaaah.

Well said Bro.

22 hours ago, Mooorakh said:

 

@harsharan000 one n first positive response from you. Made my day">">. 

 

Nothing so great about it Pen Jee, it was that much valuable for me. I mean, the post was simple yet meaningful, with kindness, and humility.

Keep up good spirits

3 hours ago, Ragmaala said:

Have you had the practical experience yourself that he's all ?

What do you mean by accepting he's all ? Do you mean believing he's all or do you mean reaching a state of mind or avastha after bandgi/simran where you experience Sab Gobind hai...Gobind bin nahi koe..

Just trying to understand your perspective.  If I give my own example. Let's say I am encountered by a wild tiger in a jungle. I have not reached the avastha where I have seen Gobind in all. But let's say if  I start believing/accepting that Gobind  is in Tiger. Will my fearlessness go away ?

or do you mean to say that keep practicing the jugti of trying to see God in all  and maybe one day it will manifest practically when you see that Hes all.  

In my limited understanding, I could be definitely wrong, but one has to attain this stage of seeing God in all and everywhere, basically having Darshan everywhere (like Bhagat Namdev ji who saw God in fire, dog etc) after Simran, Sewa and Bandgi.  Its not something one can imagine or believe or accept. Its something that practically manifests in one's life. Thats just my understanding. Because mostly all teachers/mahapurush start a person from Bhagti of Waheguru mantra/Sargun Upashna before a sadhaka is able to see Gobind in all.  As the sadhaka advances, he knows that All is Gobind and Gobind is all. 

Good post Bro.

He is everywhere and everything, this is fine and there is no doubt about it, but at our present level we have not that avastha to say it convincingly. We are talking more like conceptuals than what it really is about.

And the fact is, He has created dualities, pair of opposites,  diversity, multiplicity, gyan agyan, truth-untruth, birth - death and so on .

And He wants us to discern and come out from all this paraphernalia, with the practical aid of Gurbani, and realize Him, not otherwise.

As I said in my post above, we all  know butter comes out from milk, but unless we apply a jugtee and bring out the butter from that milk, it would not be wise to say as butter is inthe milk, I will apply it on the toast and have, then this will only show our pettiness, for the slice bread will be drenched with milk, not butter for sure.

Or  as you said, He is everywhere and as He is good, so if I meet a tiger in the jungle, nothing will happen to me...what rubbish....looooollllll, that foolish person will be for sure a happy meal for the tiger... 

Please let us take care of what we say or express, and not just pour out our wild neurotical fancies, for with that attitude people can be drawn farther away from the Truth of Gurbani, except for a few who couragesly and politely see contacdictions and ask for clarifications.

Though, if the person by itself is confused and yet believes to be right, hardly can it add any clarity or light to the matter in question.

For god´s sake, He has given us some sense, let us make use of it, a bit though  if not much.