Jonny101

but how do you reconcile the fact that the founder of your new religion allowed rape(of Banu Mustaliq tribe), consummated a marriage with a 9 year old child which is pedophilia, beheaded prisoners of war(banu Quraiza tribe), even allowed torture, killed an old woman poet who had criticized him? I'm not trying to criticizing you, but I just want to understand the psychology of why a normal person would willingly convert to a religion whose founder committed all these crimes while the Sikh Gurus committed no such crime.

All I know is our ancestors lived a humiliating existence before they became Sikhs. This fact was confirmed by none other than Sher who unwittingly made a quote about how people of India lived under Islamic rule. Dhan Guru Nanak Dev Jee who blessed us with Sikhi and took us out of slavery!

Very true. Ideally the Sikh social order is a classless society where one is not discriminated based on differences of Jaat-Paat/Nasal/Ameeri-Gareebi. These are all man made social constructs.

The translation above is not correct. This is a mistranslated done and promoted by RSS. The correct translation is:

ਸਕਲ ਜਗਤ ਮੋ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਪੰਥ ਗਾਜੈ ॥ ਜਗੈ ਧਰਮ, ਹਿੰਦੁਕ ਤੁਰਕਨ ਦੁੰਦ ਭਾਜੈ ॥
Throughout the world the Khalsa Panth will be prominent. The (Khalsa) Dharm will prevail and the Hindus and Turks will be banished

The Vishram(comma) should be placed after Dharm not after Hindak as the translator has wrongly done. The Hindak and Turkan is grouped together as the two Panths that the Khalsa(the teesar panth mentioned in the preceding Tukh) will banish as the Khalsa will become prominent through out the world.

Also in this composition it is written the Mandirs and Masjids will be destroyed by the Khalsa(ਮੜੀ ਗੋਰ ਦੇਵਲ ਮਸੀਤਾਂ ਗਿਰਾਯੰ). The Khalsa will destroy the Vedas, Shastars and Purans of the Hindus(ਮਿਟਹਿ ਬੇਦ ਸਾਸਤ੍ਰ ਅਠਾਰਹਿ ਪੁਰਾਨਾ) and the khalsa will finish the Circumcision practice, Azaan,Namaz and Quran of the Muslims (ਮਿਟੈ ਬਾਂਗ ਸਲਵਾਤ ਸੁੰਨਤ ਕੁਰਾਨਾ)

In Uggardanti it is written about the two Panths(Hindu and Muslim) ਦੁਹੂੰ ਪੰਥ ਮੇਂ ਕਪਟ ਵਿਦਯਾ ਚਲਾਨੀ । ਬਹੁਰ ਤੀਸਰਾ ਪੰਥ ਕੀਜੈ ਪ੍ਰਧਾਨੀ that since there is too much Kapat(corruption) in the two Panths(of Hinduism and Islam) the teesar Panth(Khalsa Dharm) has been created and is superior.

If you wanna believe this then go ahead

islam means submission not peace. seems us non muslims know more about Islam than these converts

Why do Nindya of any prophet. Guru Gobind Singh Jee mentions in Sri Dasam Granth that Vaheguru sent Avtars like Krishna and Prophets like Mohammad to spread the faith of God. But they faltered and started their own cults. But we need to focus on our own Jeevans than do Nindya of Avtars and Prophets. They are still much better than us, we are mere insects compared to them. Gure Jee writes the greatness of Naam Simran in the Sunye Pauris of Japji Sahib. The Avastha one gets when doing Naam Simran can elevate you to great heights even surpassing the Avtars and Prophets. The greatest Aatmic Kazanaas are available in the house of Guru Nanak Dev Jee.

Why do Nindya of any prophet. Guru Gobind Singh Jee mentions in Sri Dasam Granth that Vaheguru sent Avtars like Krishna and Prophets like Mohammad to spread the faith of God. But they faltered and started their own cults. But we need to focus on our own Jeevans than do Nindya of Avtars and Prophets. They are still much better than us, we are mere insects compared to them. Gure Jee writes the greatness of Naam Simran in the Sunye Pauris of Japji Sahib. The Avastha one gets when doing Naam Simran can elevate you to great heights even surpassing the Avtars and Prophets. The greatest Aatmic Kazanaas are available in the house of Guru Nanak Dev Jee.

Very true. I don't understand how RSS tries to promote this tukh by mistranslated it but in other parts of the Bani it is written how the Khalsa will destroy the Vedas, Purans, Shastars and Mandirs. If these are all destroyed what Hindu Dharm will be left? This composition promotes the superiority of the teesar panth-Khalsa Dharm over the other two Dharms i.e. Hinduism and Islam.

The translation above is not correct. This is a mistranslated done and promoted by RSS. The correct translation is:

ਸਕਲ ਜਗਤ ਮੋ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਪੰਥ ਗਾਜੈ ॥ ਜਗੈ ਧਰਮ, ਹਿੰਦੁਕ ਤੁਰਕਨ ਦੁੰਦ ਭਾਜੈ ॥
Throughout the world the Khalsa Panth will be prominent. The (Khalsa) Dharm will prevail and the Hindus and Turks will be banished

The Vishram(comma) should be placed after Dharm not after Hindak as the translator has wrongly done. The Hindak and Turkan is grouped together as the two Panths that the Khalsa(the teesar panth mentioned in the preceding Tukh) will banish as the Khalsa will become prominent through out the world.

Also in this composition it is written the Mandirs and Masjids will be destroyed by the Khalsa(ਮੜੀ ਗੋਰ ਦੇਵਲ ਮਸੀਤਾਂ ਗਿਰਾਯੰ). The Khalsa will destroy the Vedas, Shastars and Purans of the Hindus(ਮਿਟਹਿ ਬੇਦ ਸਾਸਤ੍ਰ ਅਠਾਰਹਿ ਪੁਰਾਨਾ) and the khalsa will finish the Circumcision practice, Azaan,Namaz and Quran of the Muslims (ਮਿਟੈ ਬਾਂਗ ਸਲਵਾਤ ਸੁੰਨਤ ਕੁਰਾਨਾ)

In Uggardanti it is written about the two Panths(Hindu and Muslim) ਦੁਹੂੰ ਪੰਥ ਮੇਂ ਕਪਟ ਵਿਦਯਾ ਚਲਾਨੀ । ਬਹੁਰ ਤੀਸਰਾ ਪੰਥ ਕੀਜੈ ਪ੍ਰਧਾਨੀ that since there is too much Kapat(corruption) in the two Panths(of Hinduism and Islam) the teesar Panth(Khalsa Dharm) has been created and is superior.

If you wanna believe this then go ahead

Don't know if any Sikh has written about her, but she was a great Bhagat of India during the middle ages. She wrote some great poetry. Her Guru was Bhagat Ravidas Jee.

All I'm saying is tinnitus is not Anhad Shabad. Only Radhasoamnis call the tinnitus as Anhad Shabad. Anhad Shabad sound is something that is directly from Sachkhand and can only be heard by those who have a lot of Naam Kamaee. In the starting stages it is best to focus on the Naam Dhuni. Train the mind at Amritvela hours to focus on the Dhuni of Naam Simran. The more Balvaan the mind becomes in focusing one will experience a number of extra ordinary signs. Bandgi Nama by Raghbir Singh Bir is a must read for ones who want to walk on the path of Gurmat Naam Simran.

I'll ask you the same question I asked convert1:

but how do you reconcile the fact that the founder of your new religion allowed rape(of Banu Mustaliq tribe), consummated a marriage with a 9 year old child which is pedophilia, beheaded prisoners of war(banu Quraiza tribe), even allowed torture, killed an old woman poet who had criticized him? I'm not trying to criticizing you, but I just want to understand the psychology of why a normal person would willingly convert to a religion whose founder committed all these crimes while the Sikh Gurus committed no such crime.

I don't mean to offend you, but I just want to know how do you as a convert choose to follow a man who has done all this as opposed to the Sikh Gurus who had done none of these crimes? I use the term 'crime' for lack of a better word. Let's have an open and respectful dialogue here.

Also, Sikhs are the cleanest people on earth. Sikh religion is the only religion which makes it mandatory for it's followers to do full body Ishnaan(bath) everyday in the morning. Sikhs are also required as per maryadha to do full body Ishnaan before doing any Seva of Guru Granth Sahib Jee. Besides this, Sikhs also do Panj Ishana(washing of hands, feet, face) before doing Rehras Sahib and Kirtan Sohilla. So as far as cleanliness is concerned, no one can match the Sikhs in this department

Muslims only are required to do woozu which is a washing of their hands, feet and face. Full body bath is not even a require in Islam. That's not very clean from Sikh standards.

Sikhs, don't worship idols. Sikhs are worshipers of Vaheguru. So it's obvious you have no knowledge of Sikhi before you converted for your boyfriend.

As for your claim that Guru Nanak Dev Jee was a Muslim. I would suggest you watch this video to dispel this confusion as well:

but how do you reconcile the fact that the founder of your new religion allowed rape(of Banu Mustaliq tribe), consummated a marriage with a 9 year old child which is pedophilia, beheaded prisoners of war(banu Quraiza tribe), even allowed torture, killed an old woman poet who had criticized him? I'm not trying to criticizing you, but I just want to understand the psychology of why a normal person would willingly convert to a religion whose founder committed all these crimes while the Sikh Gurus committed no such crime.

islam means submission not peace. seems us non muslims know more about Islam than these converts

All I'm saying is tinnitus is not Anhad Shabad. Only Radhasoamnis call the tinnitus as Anhad Shabad. Anhad Shabad sound is something that is directly from Sachkhand and can only be heard by those who have a lot of Naam Kamaee. In the starting stages it is best to focus on the Naam Dhuni. Train the mind at Amritvela hours to focus on the Dhuni of Naam Simran. The more Balvaan the mind becomes in focusing one will experience a number of extra ordinary signs. Bandgi Nama by Raghbir Singh Bir is a must read for ones who want to walk on the path of Gurmat Naam Simran.

It's like the new trend among these new singers. They try to wear their turbans like Muslims, pretending to be sufis. Seems Pakhandi`yish to me.