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I know some ppl will say their are sikh guys with muslim girls but it seems like far more sikh girls hook up with muslims then muslim girls hook up with sikhs

http://singhstation.net/2015/01/muslim-husband-uk-based-sikh-woman-jailed-10-yrs-running-crime-empire/

I think its just a book an idol worship makes no sense to me God is every where according to sikhism and not confinded in a book

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I say you stop TRYING to insult others including me cause you keep failing Your an idiot if you think a bunch of govt agents pretended to be khalistanis and killed innocent people an then where able to keep their mouth shut without black mailing the indian govt Or if any govt would take such a risk of hiring people to do such acts an risk those same agents comming out to the media an world an telling the world what they were hired to do to their own people which would cause riots across india For everyone who does believe in conspiracies about fake khalistanis commiting acts of terror against innocent civilians then a lot of the khalistanis especially canadian once should stop worshipping guys like parmar reyat malik an bagri Air india bombing if the indian govt was giving warnings to the canadian govt then someone has to be really dumb to think the indian govt still did the attack

Sikhism teaches us idot worship is a waste of time and not rationale Yet sikhs idol worship a book The guru granth sahib is in your hearts I don't understand the idol worship behind it Their are different forms of idol worship an the way many sikhs treat the guru granth sahib is idol worship If your at work an someone random has the guru granth sahib downloaded on their phone or laptop or ipad are u going to all sudden get on your knees an bow down to the laptop or ipad or ipad. Sikhism teaches how to be rationale and yet sikhs still practice customs like caste and idol worship an list goes on

then why is Bollywood dominated by muslims and the most loved and famous celebrities in india muslims top celebrities are khans just rationally think for a second how much is propaganda from pakistan being fed into khalistani puppets yes the indian govt is full of corrupt politicans who are terrorists themselves but those terrorists don't represent all the people

funniest is when khalistanis who hate hindus will say the indian govt did air india bombing an then on another day brag about how khalistanis did it and are proud of it and it was revenge for operation bluestar and anti Sikh riots or when they will say read soft target and it will show air india was work of indian govt but at same time celeberate talwinder parmar as a hero even though the book soft target claims talwinder parmar and malik had bin black cats working for the indian government or one instance say indian govt did air india bombing when white people or non south Asians are around and when around each other hypocritically call talwinder parmar and his buddies heroes for doing the air india bombing

3 conspiracies that don't make rational sense number one Bollywood is being used by hindu terrorist groups to destroy Sikhism and make Sikhs the laughing stock of india if this where true then quick question why do Muslims dominate Bollywood?? sharu khan amir khan salman khan number two black cats if the government hired fake black cats to kill innocent Sikhs to have Sikhs turn on the khalistan movement why don't these former black cats cash in and write a book human nature is that for most people it is hard to keep a secret and in today's world their is big cash for people who have inside information regarding the government and million dollar book deals also why would an intelligence agency take such a risk of hiring people to pretend to be khalistani to kill innocent people when those same very people can turn on them and bring the government down by letting the world know about such programs yes intelligence agencies use undercover agents and informants but that is completely different from hiring terrorists to commit terrorist acts An yes their where criminals who joined the khalistan movement but never really supported khalistan and these criminals targeted Sikhs with rape and extortion and they got into different khalistan movements because most khalistan groups where willing to recruit anyone who said they believed in khalistan third one AIR INDIA BOMBING seriously the chances of air india of being an inside job are no different then 9/11 being an inside job for one its hard for people to keep secrets water gate and bill Clinton sex scandal couldn't be kept secret to show you how hard it is to keep secrets bigger the secret the more tempted people are to spill the beans if air india was an inside job you know a lot of people would need to be involved and have a chance to make millions of dollars by coming out and writing a book about how they where involved in the air india conspiracy heck people from inside bush administration jumped at book deals and threw bush under the bus it shows you human nature and how hard it is for people to keep a secret and why intelligence agencies consider people's inability to keep secrets to be the biggest liability to their organisations if india intelligence was smart enough to pull off air india on Canadian soil then they would of dealt with Pakistan a long time ago it is a fact many khalistanis hate hindus and don't see them as innocent victims so it is true their where also khalistanis who wanted khalistan by eliminating hindus from punjab at same time their are khalistanis who think air india was a good thing but in front of white people they will blame the Indian government but in private circles they think air india bombing was a great thing and that people who slaughter innocent Hindus are heroes an yes the Punjab police and security forces where also barbaric and behaved like terrorists to bring down the movement but in Punjab we have a democracy and Sikhs choose to vote in corrupt politicians lets also not forget bhindranwale put all the innocent Sikhs lives in danger by turning the harmandar sahib into a military fort bhindranwale and Indira Gandhi are responsible for the innocent killed during operation bluestar

Hindustan Times Vipul Mudgal, May 13, 2008 Black Thunderâs silver lining The resounding success of Operation Black Thunder in 1988, four years after a disastrous Operation Bluestar, established the value of transparency for law enforcement agencies in this country. In the 1980s, when the Indian State was battling more mutinies than ever, success came at a critical juncture as it struggled to stay united without sacrificing democracy. In Operation Bluestar, tanks, armoured carriers, helicopters, mortars, artillery shells, machine guns and tonnes of ammunition were used â and all within less than 72 hours. In Operation Black Thunder, that began on May 12 and ended with the surrender of militants on May 18, the âsiege of patienceâ was aided by a surgical strike and some smart media management. Both operations flushed out terrorists from a fortified Golden Temple even though the level of fortification was a lot higher in 1984 under the leadership of slain zealots, Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale, and retired Major General Shehbeg Singh. But the isolated shots fired by sharpshooters during Black Thunder had a far more devastating effect than the entire arsenal used in Bluestar. The climax â when the last batch of militants emerged out of the Golden Temple with arms raised in surrender â was televised live all over the world. A lot has been written on how Operation Bluestar could have been less tragic. As a media event, it was arguably Indiaâs worst embarrassment. Militarily too, it yielded very little. It brought hundreds of casualties, stirred up army desertions, led to the assassination of a Prime Minister, and the widespread carnage of Sikhs that followed. It also scarred minds and deepened the nationâs communal divide. Parts of what transpired will never be known. A news blackout left no scope for independent agencies to document the operation. Meanwhile, Doordarshan added insult to injury when it kept repeating shots of huge recoveries of arms and ammunition rather than answering burning questions about the fate of the missing people, the real damage caused to the temple, or the actual death toll. In contrast, the live coverage of Operation Black Thunder stood out as an example of openness. The desecration of the Harmandir Sahab by those holed up inside was the worst PR disaster for the otherwise media-savvy extremists. Their worst undoing was the disclosure that they had desecrated the holiest Sikh shrine and defiled antique utensils of immense emotional value. In hindsight, one can say all this wouldnât have worked if the State had issued press releases, pictures and video clips instead of allowing media crews to take their own, real-time shots. Having witnessed the seven-day siege, I came across many instances when transparency worked as a shield against misinformation by vested interests. On one occasion, many journalists and temple officials were upset when the police tried to dispose of two corpses in undue haste soon after the surrender. But later it became apparent that Amritsarâs Red Cross and district officials were rushing things because an overpowering stench from the decaying corpses was making the obligatory âpanchnamaâ very difficult. As soon as the first set of paperwork was over, a covered municipality truck was called in to take the first body away and the same routine was followed later. Hence two trucks were deployed to carry two corpses due to extraordinary circumstances. Some self-proclaimed eyewitnesses later swore to reporters that they had seen two truckloads of dead bodies being taken away. Some even produced pictures to âproveâ the claim. Their presumption of hundreds of deaths could have sparked off riots in an already tense city. Fortunately no journalist bought the story. Since everything was unfolding in front of everyone, nobody gave any importance to the âwell informedâ Akali leaders. (Mercifully, Indiaâs neurotic 24-hour news channels were not yet born and it was still trendy to double-check facts). Some days later, when many bodies were dug out of a mound of earth inside the complex, nobody blamed the security forces. Everybody knew that these hapless people were victims of the terrorists who controlled the temple before the siege. Once during the siege, the officials panicked when all the journalists and photo journalists, perched atop the Guru Ram Das Serai and the Guru Nanak Niwas for a vantage view, decided to leave together for their hotels. Many hadnât slept for several nights and some were dizzy with hunger. (Amritsarâs curfew-bound markets were all deserted.) A persistent chief of Punjabâs Public Relations finally convinced them to go in batches and his subordinates produced hot âpuri-chholeâ in a jiffy, presumably from the CRPF kitchens. Clearly, the idea was to ensure that the media were present at all times for the sake of transparency. For the Indian State, the biggest lesson of the two diverse siege operations in 1984 and 1988 was simple: it is always simpler to manage the media than to black out news. The significance of what was achieved during Operation Black Thunder becomes apparent when we compare it with the treatment meted out to the media during Bluestar. A day before Bluestar, the army herded together all Indians working for foreign papers and all foreign correspondents and drove them out of Amritsar in special buses. (The only foreign correspondents known to have given them a slip were Mark Tully of the BBC and Brahma Chellaney of AP. A criminal case was later filed against Chellaney, now among Indiaâs most respected national security strategists.) After the expulsion, army technicians took over, closing offices and snapping all phone lines indiscriminately. Those trying to resist were either booked or beaten up. An upshot of the censorship of Punjabâs press was that nobody believed the government version. Not even the death toll figures of civilians or soldiers. Initially, the authorities stated that 96 soldiers had died, but some officials promptly denied this. Khushwant Singh attributed a death toll of 379 civilians to some historians and the Akalisâ figures ran to several thousands. Rajiv Gandhi later quoted the figure of 700 soldiers dying while addressing the Nagpur session of the Youth Congress. But there was nothing official about it. Obviously there were several opinions within the government about whether it was better to play down or to play up the toll for ânational interestâ. The truth remains a casualty to this day. For future operations, nothing works better than the rare recollections of officers of things gone terribly right during a big siege. This becomes the cornerstone of something critical for democracy: the institutional memory of seriously right or wrong steps for the security forces. A good example of this institutional memory was the armyâs exemplary restrain and openness during the siege of the Hazratbal shrine in Srinagar in 1993. In Hazratbal, the army played the waiting game for over a month, and not once were Indian or foreign journalists stopped from covering the proceedings in any way they wanted. The government did not deny the fact that some known âanti-nationalâ leaders from the Hurriyat were involved in negotiations. When it allowed safe passage to some 40 terrorists, Indiaâs anxiety about saving the holy shrine was appreciated everywhere, including in the valley. On the 20th anniversary of Operation Black Thunder, we must celebrate the demise of foolproof official secrecy, often daftly associated with all national security missions. Rather than copying the US model of embedded journalism, which hasnât exactly won hearts over in Iraq and Afghanistan, a mature democracy like India must showcase â and learn from â its homebred success stories. http://www.hindustan...06-f220d7690d47 © Copyright 2007 Hindustan Times

A lot of those quotes are half truth's aka half lies But yes are their references for those quotes from not khalistan sources If these statements were actually made they would be easy to prove If operation bluestar was carried out like operation black thunder would the movement for khalistan bin finished in 84? Also why did the militants put innocent civilians in danger in 84 and then again in 88 Is it cause the isi pakistan military told them to do this Muslims like hamas are famous for hiding behind innocent civilians

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If operation bluestar was carried out same way as operation black thunder would khalistan movement bin killed right their and then Black Thunderâs silver lining The resounding success of Operation Black Thunder in 1988, four years after a disastrous Operation Bluestar, established the value of transparency for law enforcement agencies in this country. In the 1980s, when the Indian State was battling more mutinies than ever, success came at a critical juncture as it struggled to stay united without sacrificing democracy. In Operation Bluestar, tanks, armoured carriers, helicopters, mortars, artillery shells, machine guns and tonnes of ammunition were used â and all within less than 72 hours. In Operation Black Thunder, that began on May 12 and ended with the surrender of militants on May 18, the âsiege of patienceâ was aided by a surgical strike and some smart media management. Both operations flushed out terrorists from a fortified Golden Temple even though the level of fortification was a lot higher in 1984 under the leadership of slain zealots, Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale, and retired Major General Shehbeg Singh. But the isolated shots fired by sharpshooters during Black Thunder had a far more devastating effect than the entire arsenal used in Bluestar. The climax â when the last batch of militants emerged out of the Golden Temple with arms raised in surrender â was televised live all over the world. A lot has been written on how Operation Bluestar could have been less tragic. As a media event, it was arguably Indiaâs worst embarrassment. Militarily too, it yielded very little. It brought hundreds of casualties, stirred up army desertions, led to the assassination of a Prime Minister, and the widespread carnage of Sikhs that followed. It also scarred minds and deepened the nationâs communal divide. Parts of what transpired will never be known. A news blackout left no scope for independent agencies to document the operation. Meanwhile, Doordarshan added insult to injury when it kept repeating shots of huge recoveries of arms and ammunition rather than answering burning questions about the fate of the missing people, the real damage caused to the temple, or the actual death toll. In contrast, the live coverage of Operation Black Thunder stood out as an example of openness. The desecration of the Harmandir Sahab by those holed up inside was the worst PR disaster for the otherwise media-savvy extremists. Their worst undoing was the disclosure that they had desecrated the holiest Sikh shrine and defiled antique utensils of immense emotional value. In hindsight, one can say all this wouldnât have worked if the State had issued press releases, pictures and video clips instead of allowing media crews to take their own, real-time shots. Having witnessed the seven-day siege, I came across many instances when transparency worked as a shield against misinformation by vested interests. On one occasion, many journalists and temple officials were upset when the police tried to dispose of two corpses in undue haste soon after the surrender. But later it became apparent that Amritsarâs Red Cross and district officials were rushing things because an overpowering stench from the decaying corpses was making the obligatory âpanchnamaâ very difficult. As soon as the first set of paperwork was over, a covered municipality truck was called in to take the first body away and the same routine was followed later. Hence two trucks were deployed to carry two corpses due to extraordinary circumstances. Some self-proclaimed eyewitnesses later swore to reporters that they had seen two truckloads of dead bodies being taken away. Some even produced pictures to âproveâ the claim. Their presumption of hundreds of deaths could have sparked off riots in an already tense city. Fortunately no journalist bought the story. Since everything was unfolding in front of everyone, nobody gave any importance to the âwell informedâ Akali leaders. (Mercifully, Indiaâs neurotic 24-hour news channels were not yet born and it was still trendy to double-check facts). Some days later, when many bodies were dug out of a mound of earth inside the complex, nobody blamed the security forces. Everybody knew that these hapless people were victims of the terrorists who controlled the temple before the siege. Once during the siege, the officials panicked when all the journalists and photo journalists, perched atop the Guru Ram Das Serai and the Guru Nanak Niwas for a vantage view, decided to leave together for their hotels. Many hadnât slept for several nights and some were dizzy with hunger. (Amritsarâs curfew-bound markets were all deserted.) A persistent chief of Punjabâs Public Relations finally convinced them to go in batches and his subordinates produced hot âpuri-chholeâ in a jiffy, presumably from the CRPF kitchens. Clearly, the idea was to ensure that the media were present at all times for the sake of transparency. For the Indian State, the biggest lesson of the two diverse siege operations in 1984 and 1988 was simple: it is always simpler to manage the media than to black out news. The significance of what was achieved during Operation Black Thunder becomes apparent when we compare it with the treatment meted out to the media during Bluestar. A day before Bluestar, the army herded together all Indians working for foreign papers and all foreign correspondents and drove them out of Amritsar in special buses. (The only foreign correspondents known to have given them a slip were Mark Tully of the BBC and Brahma Chellaney of AP. A criminal case was later filed against Chellaney, now among Indiaâs most respected national security strategists.) After the expulsion, army technicians took over, closing offices and snapping all phone lines indiscriminately. Those trying to resist were either booked or beaten up. An upshot of the censorship of Punjabâs press was that nobody believed the government version. Not even the death toll figures of civilians or soldiers. Initially, the authorities stated that 96 soldiers had died, but some officials promptly denied this. Khushwant Singh attributed a death toll of 379 civilians to some historians and the Akalisâ figures ran to several thousands. Rajiv Gandhi later quoted the figure of 700 soldiers dying while addressing the Nagpur session of the Youth Congress. But there was nothing official about it. Obviously there were several opinions within the government about whether it was better to play down or to play up the toll for ânational interestâ. The truth remains a casualty to this day. For future operations, nothing works better than the rare recollections of officers of things gone terribly right during a big siege. This becomes the cornerstone of something critical for democracy: the institutional memory of seriously right or wrong steps for the security forces. A good example of this institutional memory was the armyâs exemplary restrain and openness during the siege of the Hazratbal shrine in Srinagar in 1993. In Hazratbal, the army played the waiting game for over a month, and not once were Indian or foreign journalists stopped from covering the proceedings in any way they wanted. The government did not deny the fact that some known âanti-nationalâ leaders from the Hurriyat were involved in negotiations. When it allowed safe passage to some 40 terrorists, Indiaâs anxiety about saving the holy shrine was appreciated everywhere, including in the valley. On the 20th anniversary of Operation Black Thunder, we must celebrate the demise of foolproof official secrecy, often daftly associated with all national security missions. Rather than copying the US model of embedded journalism, which hasnât exactly won hearts over in Iraq and Afghanistan, a mature democracy like India must showcase â and learn from â its homebred success stories

I would like to hear both sides of the argument cause I have a lot to learn regarding operation blue star the side that supports Bhindranwale and the side against Bhindranwale The Indian government made an evil decision by having the military attack Bhindranwale inside Harmandar Sahib But was the plans to use civilians as shields to help build sympathy amongst Sikhs towards the movement Or did Bhindranwale go into Harmandar Sahib cause the media was controlled by the Indian Government so either Bhindranwale went by foot and car village to village taking years to educate Sikhs or he could preach to a hundred thousands Sikhs that visited the Harmandar Sahib a day and have the people take the information back to the villages As well I know their was training set up for the soldiers who would participate in Operation Blue Star Now regarding operation Black Thunder the Sikhs that took up arms inside the Harmandar Sahib definitely were trying to use people as human shields Fact they would make such a move after the amount of innocent people killed during operation blue star shows that the guys who occupied Harmandar Sahib goal was to use people as shields to hide behind and if their was another attack probably hoped it would add new fire to the khalistan movement Alternatives were presented during Operation Blue Star but ignored which was allow media access as well as turn off the electricity inside the Harmandar Sahib and cut the water supply and food supply going into the Harmandar Sahib Add in the summer heat which would cause the food inside to go bad in a few days causing the militants inside to starve and suffer dehydration from lack of water and surrender After seeing the after math of Operation Blue Star the Indian government didn't want to attack the Harmandar Sahib again so this plan b was used pretty successfully during operation black thunder if their is an alternative as to why militants went into Harmandar Sahib I would love to hear it cause their isn't much information on operation Black Thunder accept for the tactics used to make the militants surrender Fact the Indian government ignored this plan the first time does offer that the Indian Government main goal was to cause maximum damage

During this conflict the Sikhs should be standing on side of Israel Hamas is the one targeting innocent civilians in Israel with rockets Hamas is using women and children as human shields Israel has to defend itself and their shooting rockets targeting Hamas and not innocent civilians innocent civilians are dieing cause Hamas hides behind them I think best response about Israel power in American politics and about who really are the bad guys in this conflict is bill maher Youtube bill maher rips hamas over gaza