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  1. The issue of veg vs meat is moot point. Even Gurbani says: "who is to say what is a green vegetables and what is meat?" What is spoken against is the hypocrisy. If you eat meat then fine. It's NOT against Sikhi! (Only meat that has been ritualistically killed is against Sikhi. And that has nothing to do with the meat, it's the idea of sacrificing and ritual.) If you eat veg, then fine be vegetarian. I am vegetarian, but I eat eggs and dairy. However I won't tell someone they can't eat meat. My choice to be veg is that I can't *personally* eat something that was killed. Hopefully anything that was alive won't be on my plate with my vegetables, however I know that there are always bug parts in cans of vegs etc. and I accept that. Farming can take measures to limit unnecessary death like those acoustic fencing (wireless ultrasonic sound). They repel almost all vermin. Still yes, some may be accidentally killed. The thing is intent. Which is worse, killing a worm from your garden by accident, or purposely slitting throat of a baby cow so the milk meant for it can be used? And I am not saying don't drink milk... I'm saying at least acknowledge that killing the baby cow has some purpose by advocating the meat be used in a good way instead of wasted. We have tons of hungry people in the world. What IS wrong in Sikhi is the HYPOCRISY!
  2. WJKK WJKF since I can't contact everyone I built a friendship with on here I will just put here if you wish to get hold of me you can find me at SPN. Wish you all well.
  3. Page 484, Line 15
    ਸਾਚਾ ਨਾਵਣੁ ਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਸੇਵਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
    Sācẖā nāvaṇ gur kī sevā. ||1|| rahā▫o.
    The true cleansing bath is service to the Guru. ||1||Pause||
    Proof that Bibis can do seva during menstruation!

  4. Page 484, Line 15 ਸਾਚਾ ਨਾਵਣੁ ਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਸੇਵਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ Sācẖā nāvaṇ gur kī sevā. ||1|| rahā▫o. The true cleansing bath is service to the Guru. ||1||Pause|| For all of you who think Bibis are dirty during menstruation, it says the TRUE cleansing bath is SERVICE (SEVA) TO THE GURU!!!!! So how can you ignore Gurbani, and say that a Bibi is dirty and is unfit to do seva at that time?? You are directly ignoring Gurbani!
  5. Banning these topics means you just don't want to talk about it. Then nothing changes, and if there are injustices being done, nothing ever happens to fix them because everything thinks the topics should be banned. Can you imagine if lets say the idea of sati, if nobody was allowed to speak against it, and all the men wanted everyone to just shut up about it, women would be still throwing themselves into funeral pyres. Telling women they cant do seva while menstruating is an injustice. Keeping ALL women from important positions such as Granthi, or disallowing ALL women to ever sit on tabiya (never take hukamnama, never participate in Akhand Paaths etc) because women menstruate, is a HUGE injustice. If things we do go against Gurbani, I don't care who's personal rehetnama it is, Gurbani IS directly words from the Gurus! NO REHET MARYADA is direct word of our Gurus! ONLY GURBANI IS! We should NEVER sweep issues under the rug, just because we don't agree with them and want the others to shut up. In a stale mate, use Gurbani to support it. Gurbani trumps RMs. (And any TRUE RM would never disagree with Gurbani... right?) Many of you stated it has nothing to do with "purity" but instead about just hygiene and cleanliness... what does Gurbani say about cleanliness (as it pertains to religious duty)?? Page 56, Line 1 ਬਿਨੁ ਅਭ ਸਬਦ ਨ ਮਾਂਜੀਐ ਸਾਚੇ ਤੇ ਸਚੁ ਹੋਇ ॥੧॥ Bin abẖ sabaḏ na māʼnjī▫ai sācẖe ṯe sacẖ ho▫e. ||1|| Without the Holy Water of the Shabad, they are not cleansed. From the True One alone comes Truth. ||1|| In other words you can Ishnan as much as you want but without shabad.... Page 91, Line 4 ਸਚੁ ਸੰਜਮੁ ਕਰਣੀ ਕਾਰਾਂ ਨਾਵਣੁ ਨਾਉ ਜਪੇਹੀ ॥ Sacẖ sanjam karṇī kārāʼn nāvaṇ nā▫o japehī. Make Truth your self-discipline, and make good deeds the lines you draw; make chanting the Name your cleansing bath. There you go, a menstruating Bibi all she has to do is chanting naam.... and that is her cleansing bath. Page 121, Line 13 ਨਾਨਕ ਨਾਮੁ ਵਸੈ ਮਨ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਮੈਲੁ ਚੁਕਾਵਣਿਆ ॥੮॥੧੯॥੨੦॥ Nānak nām vasai man anṯar gurmukẖ mail cẖukāvaṇi▫ā. ||8||19||20|| O Nanak, the Naam abides deep within the minds of the Gurmukhs, who are cleansed of all their filth. ||8||19||20|| Naam abiding in one's mind cleanses ALL things considered "filth" Page 200 ਅਨਿਕ ਜਲਾ ਜੇ ਧੋਵੈ ਦੇਹੀ ॥ Anik jalā je ḏẖovai ḏehī. The body may be washed with loads of water, ਮੈਲੁ ਨ ਉਤਰੈ ਸੁਧੁ ਨ ਤੇਹੀ ॥੨॥ Mail na uṯrai suḏẖ na ṯehī. ||2|| and yet its filth is not removed, and it does not become clean. ||2|| Page 265 ਸੋਚ ਕਰੈ ਦਿਨਸੁ ਅਰੁ ਰਾਤਿ ॥ Socẖ karai ḏinas ar rāṯ. You may practice cleansing day and night, ਮਨ ਕੀ ਮੈਲੁ ਨ ਤਨ ਤੇ ਜਾਤਿ ॥ Man kī mail na ṯan ṯe jāṯ. but the filth of your mind shall not leave your body. Even the tuk used by many to say that Ishnan in morning (as in bath with water) is required, but if you read what it says it's not actually speaking of a physical water and soap bath.... (please note I advocate a bath every day for personal hygiene but I don't think that is what this is referring to...) ਉਦਮੁ ਕਰੇ ਭਲਕੇ ਪਰਭਾਤੀ ਇਸਨਾਨੁ ਕਰੇ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਸਰਿ ਨਾਵੈ ॥ Uḏam kare bẖalke parbẖāṯī isnān kare amriṯ sar nāvai. Upon arising early in the morning, he is to bathe, and cleanse himself in the pool of nectar. (this does not sound like a soap and water bath to me) ਉਪਦੇਸਿ ਗੁਰੂ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਜਪੁ ਜਾਪੈ ਸਭਿ ਕਿਲਵਿਖ ਪਾਪ ਦੋਖ ਲਹਿ ਜਾਵੈ ॥ Upḏes gurū har har jap jāpai sabẖ kilvikẖ pāp ḏokẖ lėh jāvai. Following the Instructions of the Guru, he is to chant the Name of the Lord, Har, Har. All sins, misdeeds and negativity shall be erased. (aha! And the next line as usual, reveals as much!) Furthermore, trying to remove "pollution" by washing your physical body is fruitless.... Page 331 ਜਲਿ ਹੈ ਸੂਤਕੁ ਥਲਿ ਹੈ ਸੂਤਕੁ ਸੂਤਕ ਓਪਤਿ ਹੋਈ ॥ Jal hai sūṯak thal hai sūṯak sūṯak opaṯ ho▫ī. There is pollution in the water, and pollution on the land; whatever is born is polluted. ਜਨਮੇ ਸੂਤਕੁ ਮੂਏ ਫੁਨਿ ਸੂਤਕੁ ਸੂਤਕ ਪਰਜ ਬਿਗੋਈ ॥੧॥ Janme sūṯak mū▫e fun sūṯak sūṯak paraj bigo▫ī. ||1|| There is pollution in birth, and more pollution in death; all beings are ruined by pollution. ||1|| If "perceived" pollution is everywhere, then why worry about a few drops of blood?? Page 414, Line 17 ਅੰਤਰਿ ਨਾਵਣੁ ਸਾਚੁ ਪਛਾਣੈ ॥ Anṯar nāvaṇ sācẖ pacẖẖāṇai. One who cleanses himself within, knows the True Lord. And, I'm going to post the next tuk as a spearate post because it's the ONE which should put ALL OF THIS TO REST!!!
  6. I have chatanga blocked so I only see his posts when you or others quote him. I had to do that awhile ago because of how he was treating me. so if he argues now, he's arguing with himself because I can't see what he posts. I used to have Paapiman blocked as well and only unblocked him so I could post counter to some of his ridiculous posts which might give new people wanting to find out about Sikhi, the wrong ideas. (Menstruation being one).
  7. Actually it's really common and not anything to be super worried about. It's one of the most common causes of pain during periods and can be treated. I only mentioned it because why suffer??? I would never accept being in pain as normal... Yes I meant it as wanting to help you because you don't have to suffer...
  8. Why is it that any topic which the Singhs feel strongly about regarding women get locked once they think they made their point? If they disagree certain members start screaming till the post gets locked, even when the original people discussing it do so sanely... It obviously needs to be discussed because: 1 in original times hygiene products were less and not easily available, meaning the Maryadas of that time were based on what the women at that time had available and not taking into account advances. 2 because of advances the meaning behind the original no longer holds true 3 the question is impurity vs dirtiness. If original Maryadas were viewing periods as impurity then Gurbani actually speaks against this. If it's only dirtiness then modern hygiene addresses it. Meaning that the original 'rules' should no longer hold. So yes it needs to be discussed because we've got nowhere with it. To close threads because the Singhs disagree and think it needs to be pushed back under the rug makes a bad statement. That the forum won't tolerate discussion on anything that tries to right wrongs against women. Can you imagine if it were men told they can't do something? They'd scream blue bloody murder about it. These discussions NEED to happen if there is to be any change. Sikhi sees women and men as equal and there should be no needless unequal rules applied to women only. If a Sikh male or female is physically capable of any seva they should not be stopped from doing it. Period. This is what I truly believe our Gurus taught. Rest is male ego.
  9. That's the problem. They won't. Remember when Hari Singh Randhawa entered a non Taksali gurdwara in Canada trying to tell the women they were impure dirty during menstruationand could not do seva? He did that in a non DDT gurdwara and all hell broke loose. He was trying to push Taksal ideology at non Taksalis. It didn't work but he was still trying to tell them they were wrong and he was right. I don't care if specific sampardas do whatever they want, I won't enter their gurdwaras. That's my choice. But as long as they don't try to run things and dictate what happens at our most holy and well known place like Harmandir Sahib. Otherwise I will have to avoid there too out of principle. (Because why would anyone want to go somewhere where they feel uncomfortable? And I would feel huge uncomfortable going somewhere I know that all the Singhs see me as dirty and inferior. Like maybe women should walk around with a scarlet letter on us or something denoting us as gross inferior and less than... That's how it feels to me being in presence of these supposed Singhs who think women are dirty and impure and deserve less rights in Sikhi... Like I am walking around with a big letter I for inferior in their eyes. Like I am embarrassed to be a female... And it would take away from my spirituality. So I prefer to stay places where women are seen as same level as the men. In Kashmir we are... In fact they already fought it out with DDT who tried to encroach there and said they are not interested.)
  10. I would recommend a trip to your doctor if it's that bad Bhenji. It's not normal to be in pain... U might have endometriosis or something...
  11. @kdsingh80 any girl who says they can't stand up during a period is lying. It's possible like anything else to have a medical issue and can cause painful periods but this is a medical issue and not normal. And in that case they should see a doctor, not use it as excuse to not stand up. If it was that bad they should have been in hospital, not at an event where they couldn't even stand. Seriously.... And 99.9999999999% of women do not do that. Guest there should be no rule at all. Let women themselves decide whether they think their hygiene is adequate. But there should not be a blanket statement that none on their period can, or else you are throwing out the baby with the bath water. Discriminating all for what maybe a tiny few might do. And the elder women thing... Someone should tell them about modern hygiene products LOL it's not 1930 anymore!
  12. I am not even debating veg vs non veg. It's the hypocrisy I am debating!! LOL If you eat meat eat meat.... as long as its not Halal etc. If you are veg eat veg... What I am against is on the one hand saying everyone MUST eat veg, but then condoning dairy industry. It's hypocrisy! If you are going to drink milk or use dairy products, then don't get all upset if the meat from the baby cows is used in a constructive way to feed people. As that is better than letting it rot because you think dairy is ok but meat is not. In short, it's the HYPOCRISY I am against. Not either end of the veg / meat debate!
  13. What's funny is you are whinging about men taking a bit of the blame for repressing and controlling / dominating women, but you don't care about the literally thousands of years of misogyny which has done MUCH MUCH worse to women than any man will ever have to endure?? I agree with Neo this should not even be an issue. Why are these guys so worried about what's going on in some Singhni's kacheras when she is doing seva?
  14. But you are speaking the above almost as an excuse to purposely kill animals when it is not required. You can look for excuses to justify it all you want. My personal choice is to go the way of least death (needless deaths anyway) which is working towards vegan. And ask Paapiman (since we have have each other blocked and he cant see this) that if he is so keen on dairy industry even though the baby cows are killed in order to have milk production, then why is he so against eating that same meat which comes from those baby cows, when at least USING the meat for something means the baby cow didn't die for nothing. At least some humans would have some sustenance from the meat created by his production of his precious glass of milk. But we all know he is dead set against meat eating... so its better to let the meat rot and the baby cow's death is needless and meant nothing?? That is what is called hypocrisy and is openly condemned in Gurbani.
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