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We can't even compare Baba nand singh ji with anyone. But Bhai Sahib were a great soul.Why are we comparing him with mahapurkhs? Gurbani says: Jinna Saas graas na visray har Naama har mant Dhan sey saeyi Nanaka pooran soyii sant. So how can we forget about their spiritual jiwan and kamai.. You know when we start to ignore one's 1000 good karams in front of just 1 bad karam(and when even it's done in anjaanpuna not with a sure intention),then it's only gonna effect US. We dont know about how much love,bhagti and satkaar he had towards MAharaj..how he sacrificed his entire life for sake of god's Name. Are we gyani enough to explore their relations with almighty?He could end his swaas thru 10th door.Guru Maharaj gave him Darshan and Naam himself.Just give a reading to Jail jithiyan.certainly it will give you goose bumps. when it comes to Raagmala.His intention was still to love his guru.He thought it's not guru's baani.he was not doing so with intention to go against guru's. All I want to say is that when one person like me of very lowwww awastha use words to oppose such Greatttt souls,then certainly he's gonna have a hard way ahead. P.S I'm wondered how ppl who are not even 1% of saints are using words like how could he do that ?? And judging him?? If Baba Nand Singh Ji were here at this time and Bhai sahib were here too,then you could hear the bachans of Baba Nand singh Ji towards him.. Jey ohna to galti hoyi v hovegi ta V ajj oh maharaj de ghar breejmaan hon ge q k ohna de kamai di roshni agge ahh bhul kuj v nhi c. So we should better focus on our own kamai.Pta nhi saada ki banu..Es gal baare jyada sochiye!! Gur fateh!

I gave a look..So I've found that he had nothing to do with AKJ.Bhai Randhir singh were strictly against him.So then why he(crystal veerji) is trying to say that he is bapu ji of AkJ??? Isnt a big lie?? Or To say/claim whatever one wants to attack a particular Jatha?? What a disgrace!

If someone had used such words about ANY SIKh/spiritual person irrespective of any jatha,then I would have done the same!!

There is nothing mine and yours bro.So stop saying your jatha or my jatha. I personally dont like such words.So better keep these thoughts with u. Gur fateh!

I request admin to remove these words! when a non sikh will read it then it's only gonna create bad image about sikhs.These can't be the words of a true sikh. BTW I dont think If such words are allowed to use about ANYONE on this forum. you just do ardaas.You have no Idea what you are collecting!

Who was he? And What you mean OUR Bapu ji??? Anyways I'll find that on google. And this is my final fateh to u veer ji on this topic; WJKK WJKF!! Waheguru hi bakshan apne sikhan nu!

Just ask yourself just one question : Will Maharaj accept a son who is saying to pee on his other son's /sikh's?? BTW I congratulate you for your attitude just filled with ego and hate. Gur fateh!! Hope Maharaj Save us!! Ps: Can someone tell me meaning of words bhaursa panth and maleech?

OMG! I'm astonished to read your words. You said you won't take amrit from AKJ's. And Do you know that their technique of giving naam /Amrit was introduced by Bhai Randhir singh and it was instructed by GURU GOBIND SINGH MAHARAJ himself! If some few people are wrong in any jatha then it doesnt mean that all singhs/people are stupids. I'm totally astonished and highly disappointed at your words. Do you know How great Mahapurkhs have been the part of this Jatha or what is their spiritual life?? Do you know how they are filled with love towards their master? Do you know they read same SGGSJ as other sikhs do? Do you know how they chant on waheguru?? Do you know about their principles on spiritual life? Do you know they are the same sikhs who are wearing panj kakaars and are provided with khande da amrit? Do you know they call themselves son of our same tenth master whom we call as our maharaj? Do you know they are Same SiKHs of this panth? Do you know about life of gurmukhs like bhai Randhir singh,bhai Joginder Singh,Bhai Jeevan Singh,Bhai Mohinder singh etc. So why these words of slander towards them? You know Maharaj has instructed us to never do nindya of anyone even of a Paapi.and yOu are doing Nindya of Sikhs??and the sikhs who are trying their best to walk on the path of spirituality? You don't know bro what you are earning! I really had not expected that from a SIKH!!

It may be a neutral statement,but if it's so then there would be no need to highlight if you do so then wilk be born as a female. For example: If a person has to reach a particular place,then he needs a vehicle to travel the distance.let assume there are 4 ones. Ist one gets a chance to travel in a mercedes. 2nd one gets a chance to travel but can't get a seat.He has to travel the entire distance without much comforts. 3rd one gets chance to travel without any vehicle.He gotta walk on feet. And fourth one doesnt even get a chance . Here I take 1st one as male human,2nd one as female human,3rd one as any physically handicapped one or any transgender. And last one any organism except human. So Every one will prefer to be the first one. But it doesnt mean if Ist one is provided with all facilities then definitely gonna reach the destination.He may face an accident. And In same manner 2nd or 3rd ones can reach their destinations even having difficulities. So That's why female bodied soul is highlighted in the tuk As If you will worship devi then you'll be born as awoman and then you will have to face many kind of hardships to meet your lord husband.And A true lover wife wilk never be ready to increase the difficulities between the union with her lord husband. So , it's regarded as a punishment.But it depends upon an individual woman whether being born as a woman is acting like a punishment to her or not.. Because whatever we say it's little difficult for a woman to live her life like other great saints.Like we know baba nand singh ji never allowed to meet a woman alone,so here we can estimate the advantage of being born as a man over woman. So only difficulities increases but surely doors are always open and very few determined and brave souls get the chance to reach their destination.

I think (may be I'm wrong) there is nothing to do with gender to attain salvation.IF IT's not,then there would be no great female saints like wife of bhagat kabir ji ,mata sundar kaur ji etc. Everyone scares of punishments.So if I say that Being born as a woman is a punishment,then it think it's right.It's not the punishment like you cannot attain salvation or something like that.It's punishment in different sense.Infact every soul who takes birth has to carry some pains.If there would be no karms left ,then he might have not got this body. Some souls get punishment in form of being born as a woman.Because a woman has to go through many emotional and physical pains.like she has to go thru menstrual cycle every month,then has to carry a child in her womb then major one to give so painful birth to a child.Additionally she gets a weak physical stature compared to men.And other emotional and worldly attachments in form of Mamta with her children. so that's why it's counted as a punishment.But still it doest not mean she can't attain salvation.Some men are too having their punishments in other forms.Infact everyone's having.Then does it mean They can't attain salvation? So being born as a woman,one has to face many difficulities to walk easily on their spiritual path,but undoubtedly she can achieve the ultimate truth.All depends upon Maharaj's kirpa.

And second about females in panj pyaare: Personally I dont think that I can give answer to this question.I'm little bit controversial on this topic.Hope I had progressed much to have answer of this question. Many sikh jathas have their own point of views.Dont know much about DDT or Nanaksar's views about it. Not sure if AKJ supports it. But I do know about an incident regarding AKJ which I was told about by my grandfather. Once Bhai Mohinder Singh SDO (was well known gurmukh of AKJ) tried to prepare Amrit by female panj,but after doing this he was asked to leave the jatha.So may be AKJ dont support this. Same time Another incident that creates doubts in my mind and force me to think that females can be the part of panj pyaare is that incident when wife of bhagat kabir ji gave naam to a king.So If she could give naam then why females can't be the part of panj pyaare as it's the same ceremony of giving naam to a person. And In Gurbani (as per my knowledge) there is no difference between Men and women.Might be there is an indication in Gurbani to not allow women to give Naam,but still I'm not known to that. Secondly,When I read that it was bachans of mahapurkhs to not allow women being panj pyaare then I left speechless. So it's better to do ardaas for the right answer or to consult a true brahmgyani for the real understanding.

Being a woman myself, I have never thought much about my gender.Sometime I do think like If I were a man,then could do bhagti or meditation without social hindrances like no ghrasti no marriage only meditation and could reside anywhere alone.These are my only concerns with my gender.Then at same other time,my soul answers I can still do all these things That's just an illusion nd is trying to restrict my progression.If my inner will and love is strong enough then Maharaj can help to achieve the impossible. So I think Such thoughts which are creating doubts in your mind may be a big trap of Maya to create hindrances or may act like a key for your hidden door.Choice is yours.What you want to come out of these thoughts? Anyways It sounds easy but still everything's in waheguru's hand.So again and again do ardaas.He will himself answer you.and answer is within you.As you 'll found nothing outside.So close your physical ears and try to listen to the divine sound that's only within yourself.You'll certainly be answered. And Don't feel bad being born as a female.Infact ,Do thanks to almighty in all possible ways to bless you with this human body.Many many many souls are yearning to take birth as a human.Just keep thanking for having this life.Otherwise,if it finishes without any achievment,then it will be so hard even to have this female body. Gur fateh!!

Yes I listened .Is it that method of excretion??

Exactly! I dont know him too.I had read about it in an article.But the point is sometime we are so ignorant about any great soul or we are blindly following any false one.So Never Give your own opinions until we have achieved avastha to recognise any great one. Maharaj hi budhh bakshan!

what is Ghor mantra sadhna?

yes Now I remember about sawan singh,Who used to do jaap sahib then were asked the different names of almighty as described in Jaap sahib,then were asked to adopt one another name Radhaswami??, Yes Indeed a Great soul!!

Exactly!^^ Same I wanted to explain..

LOL!! Nothing to say! I think it's your naive nature. Hahahaa.. I dun understand the real meaning of facts. Anyways!! But I can really learn from this quote.Yes It may be Ninda in other manner. Everywhere there is illusion.May maharaj save us. Gur fateh!!

I think Sikh saints will certainly trust so.But Remember "Saint is not a title".Real saints are merged with akal purkh one jot with supreme divine jyot.They have crossed all spiritual realms and are well known to the hindrances or experiences associated with these. Well I dont want to argue much.These were my points.Hope to meet a mahapurkh with guru's grace then will certainly discuss these points. But To do NIndya of a spiritual person is against my principles. Gur fateh!

And According to Radhaswamis : Sawan Singh is their spiritual teacher,who used to give them Naam(Really very big deed only can be conducted by saints),and some Radhaswamis who have achieved truth have shared their experience that Sawan Singh or any their physical Guru gives them darshan At a specific spiritual stage and help them to travel across the spiritual realms. According to this stuff,Sawan singh was really a spiritual person and a saint.

Yes He said Saun singh but not Sawan Singh. And second question but please dont mind as I dont know much about DDT mahapurkhs: Was Jarnail Singh jee a Brahmgyani like Baba nand singh,baba isher singh etc or they were a great sikh Gyani Mahapurkh?

I dont want to say something wrong.But As we are saying that Jarnail singh jee couldnt say anything which was nt true, in same manner Radhaswamis believe and respect Sawan singh as their spiritual teacher.Many spiritual gems are Radhaswamis. So,to believe on the fact that he used to do such a shameful and sinful act,may be little imbalancing for some.I 've not watched the video so not sure. But I've read that Bhai sahib and Sawan singh were good friends.Probably Bhai Sahib had never done Nindya of Sawan singh.one time he was doing katha of gurbani,nd he was mistaken at a verse,there bhai sahib corrected him.So There might have friendly circle between both.After reading provided lines that are simply describing a small story,it cannot be estimated that bhai sahib were strictly against Sawan Singh.May be Jarnail singh jee were talking about someone else. Well I dont know much about sawan singh and I checked the name on the book again and yes it was narrated by Sawan singh. So,I dont think that he could do that. Hope Maharaj save their children to do something wrong whether it's nindya or abide by the teachings of a fake person. Gur fateh!

khalsa Jee, I've read about it somewhere might be in autobiography of bhai sahib.But not sure about source .But I 've read that bhai sahib and Sawan singh were good friends.Where the provided source claims that sawan singh was not a spiritual person? Even it proves that they both knew each other very well. So,twisting some words to prove whatever you want is really not task of pride. I'm not a Radhaswami nor do I'm taking their side.But I've read some books of Sawan singh where I've found that he was really a spiritual person. So Never do nindya of any one even in anjaan puna. Gur fateh!

Excellent stuff by both das veer ji and lucky veer Ji!!