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If you've got the same answer 7 times then just give maharaj time. You also need to work on yourself, I think I also heard from Sant Mohinder Singh Jarg that you can't put water in a kucha pot. Even if the dat is ready the bhanda (you) needs to be strong enough to receive it.
Getting the same answer 7 times - I see this as being told that you have been given what you want but you need to prepare yourself to receive it.

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Everyone's path is different, some of us have to work to get it, while some have it revealed to them due to their naturally elevated consciousness carried over from work they put in in a past life. 

Thanks for that. It was important for me. Lately I've been (unexpectedly) reconnected to a certain line of my family heritage. That lineage you posted explains a lot in terms of influences. 
Thank you again brother. 

Sant Maharaj Singh, Bhai Daya Singh Samparda.
 
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Here is a slightly more detailed jeevani i have found online of baba ji
http://sabh13.com/baba-maharaj-singh/
 

open that thread to see the lineage

open that thread to see the lineage

From the british library's  'Bhai Maharaj Singh Collection'. Items taken off Bhai Sahib by the brits:
 

Very esoteric as you stated and there are a lot of interpretations.   The difference with these few verses in japji i(deeper levels) is that Guruji isn't describing this earthly plane we live in. 
The "Manniye" tuks that precede the Panch parvaan, are about the dedicated faithful. First of all, one needs to understand who the "Manniyo" are and what it takes to be a "Manniya".
The pauris in japji sahib have to be studied carefully to appreciate the continuous flow. The messages are ALL there. As with everything else, all the answers can be found in gurbani itself as one starts doing the practice of what bani talks about.
Topic is huge with lots of branches and intertwines with other areas, and as @sat1176 quoted below, it can be cross referenced with Panj Shabad to be understood.
AS with most of my posts, the below is my understanding and may be completely different to other well read scholars. It's my personal interpretations as per gurbani and expereince. Feel free to question or if someone sees contradictions anywhere. All errors are mine.
Very briefly, Panj shabad (5 shabads),  are 5 anhad shabads that you  encounter when the door of Nijh Ghar is opened in Sunn Samadh.   As per anand sahib “vaajay panch shabad tith ghar subhagay “
In  yoga science, these 5 shabads are experienced when the upper end of the sukhmani nadi fully activates and glows. This top end of the sukhmani finishes with 5 large energy endings(channels).  Each corresponds to one of the shabads and they merge to become the one single Ek shabad.
Looking at the Mannai tuks.........Note that they follow from Gaviyeh(sing) and Sunniyeh(listen) lines.. The seeers  that have gaviyeh and suniyeh (listened) will eventually get that special "mann rakhiyeh" connection. This connection is Naam and it is heard..
 
ਮੰਨੈ ਸੁਰਤਿ ਹੋਵੈ ਮਨਿ ਬੁਧਿ ॥
Mannai suraṯ hovai man buḏẖ
The faithful have intuitive awareness and intelligence.
ਮੰਨੈ ਸਗਲ ਭਵਣ ਕੀ ਸੁਧਿ ॥
Mannai sagal bẖavaṇ kī suḏẖ.
The faithful know about all worlds and realms. (They learn of these via many intuitive gyaan and experiences)
 
ਮੰਨੈ ਮੁਹਿ ਚੋਟਾ ਨਾ ਖਾਇ ॥
Mannai muhi cẖotā nā kẖā▫e.
The faithful shall never be struck across the face. (They are jagat and awake. Therefore, will not have to endure the jamdoots whacking them around the head to wake them at death)
 
ਮੰਨੈ ਜਮ ਕੈ ਸਾਥਿ ਨ ਜਾਇ ॥
Mannai jam kai sāth na jā▫e.
The faithful do not have to go with the Messenger of Death.  (The jams will not come anywhere near them, and they will know of this prior to death)
 
ਐਸਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਨਿਰੰਜਨੁ ਹੋਇ ॥
Aisā nām niranjan ho▫e.
Such is the Name of the Immaculate Lord.  
 
ਜੇ ਕੋ ਮੰਨਿ ਜਾਣੈ ਮਨਿ ਕੋਇ ॥੧੩॥
Je ko man jāṇai man ko▫e. ||13||
Only one who has faith comes to know such a state of mind. ||13||  (Only one's who have faith and have done ਜਿਨੀ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਇਆ ਗਏ ਮਸਕਤਿ ਘਾਲਿ )
 
ਮੰਨੈ ਮਾਰਗਿ ਠਾਕ ਨ ਪਾਇ ॥
Mannai mārag ṯẖāk na pā▫e.
The path of the faithful shall never be blocked. (once they start walking on the naam marag, they will always be going towards guru's darbar. God will always be changing the play around the gurmukh and providing pretection, no matter what the worldly battles..
ਤਾਤੀ ਵਾਉ ਨ ਲਗਈ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਸਰਣਾਈ ॥ 
Ŧāṯī vā▫o na lag▫ī pārbarahm sarṇā▫ī. 
The hot wind does not even touch one who is under the Protection of the Supreme Lord God. 
 
ਮੰਨੈ ਪਤਿ ਸਿਉ ਪਰਗਟੁ ਜਾਇ ॥
Mannai paṯ si▫o pargat jā▫e.
The faithful shall depart with honor and fame. (When they die on this earth plane, they depart with honour. The wandering souls they meet on the way, all  praise and honour the mannai who have naam)
 
ਮੰਨੈ ਮਗੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਪੰਥੁ ॥
Mannai mag na cẖalai panth.
The faithful do not follow empty religious rituals.
 
ਮੰਨੈ ਧਰਮ ਸੇਤੀ ਸਨਬੰਧੁ ॥
Mannai ḏẖaram seṯī san▫banḏẖ.
The faithful are firmly bound to the Dharma.
 
ਐਸਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਨਿਰੰਜਨੁ ਹੋਇ ॥
Aisā nām niranjan ho▫e.
Such is the Name of the Immaculate Lord.
 
ਜੇ ਕੋ ਮੰਨਿ ਜਾਣੈ ਮਨਿ ਕੋਇ ॥੧੪॥
Je ko man jāṇai man ko▫e. ||14||
Only one who has faith comes to know such a state of mind. ||14||
 
ਮੰਨੈ ਪਾਵਹਿ ਮੋਖੁ ਦੁਆਰੁ ॥
Mannai pāvahi mokẖ ḏu▫ār.
The faithful find the Door of Liberation. (the duar to the darbar, since they get to sehaj dunn)
 
ਮੰਨੈ ਪਰਵਾਰੈ ਸਾਧਾਰੁ ॥
Mannai parvārai sāḏẖār.
The faithful uplift and redeem their family and relations.  (families and ancestors in the heavens -whom are out of lakh chaurasi are carried across the 2nd bhavsagar)
 
ਮੰਨੈ ਤਰੈ ਤਾਰੇ ਗੁਰੁ ਸਿਖ ॥
Mannai ṯarai ṯāre gur sikẖ.
The faithful are saved, and carried across with the Sikhs of the Guru. (cross the 2nd bhavsagar in higher realms)
 
ਮੰਨੈ ਨਾਨਕ ਭਵਹਿ ਨ ਭਿਖ ॥
Mannai Nānak bẖavahi na bẖikẖ.
The faithful, O Nanak, do not wander around begging. (no need for begging to be saved, or to save)
 
ਐਸਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਨਿਰੰਜਨੁ ਹੋਇ ॥
Aisā nām niranjan ho▫e.
Such is the Name of the Immaculate Lord.
 
ਜੇ ਕੋ ਮੰਨਿ ਜਾਣੈ ਮਨਿ ਕੋਇ ॥੧੫॥
Je ko man jāṇai man ko▫e. ||15||
Only one who has faith comes to know such a state of mind. ||15||
 
The above lines tell me about who the faithful(mannai) are and what happens as they enter the darbar of God(court) after their death. Human death is when saas account is complete. These deeds and accounts are read in the presence of Dharamraj, with chitr and gupt's reports.
So, who are the mannai and what have they attained?
They are the one's who have worked and attained Naam.
Naam is pargat and they have crossed over the 2nd bhavsagar. (mannai taray tarai gur sikh).  In yoga science this is the trikuti above larynx.(beneath pineal gland)... It is also last part of sunn mandal,....also bathing in amritsar (pool of amrit that surrounds Hari's mandar inside us)., and many other nishanees and pointers are in gurbani.
Most importantly, it is the one's that have attained the wealth of Naam, that is accounted per breaths spent.  Gurbani says....
ਜਿਨੀ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਇਆ ਗਏ ਮਸਕਤਿ ਘਾਲਿ ॥
Jinī nām ḏẖi▫ā▫i▫ā ga▫e maskaṯ gẖāl.
Those who have meditated on the Naam, the Name of the Lord, and departed after having worked by the sweat of their brows -
ਨਾਨਕ ਤੇ ਮੁਖ ਉਜਲੇ ਕੇਤੀ ਛੁਟੀ ਨਾਲਿ ॥੧॥
Nānak ṯe mukẖ ujle keṯī cẖẖutī nāl. ||1||
O Nanak, their faces are radiant in the Court of the Lord, and many are saved along with them! ||1||  
 
These are the "mannai" 
Panch Parvaan are the ones who have been chosen and are already accepted. After human death, when their saas has all been spent, they are considered as previously approved.
Why is this?  Why have they already got a pre-approved, pre-paid, direct entry ticket?  What makes them chosen?
Because they have already gotten into the darbar of waheguru when alive. Nirankar opened the door into Nijh mahal and revealed his "niranjan" self. He sat them on his lap and hugged them. They are the one's who had waheguru's darshan in his very own abode.  Hence, they were and are JIVAN MUKHT. Jivan mukht means that they had pre-approved access into Nirankaars darbar. Whilst spending their saas in hukam of physical life, they learned to come and go at will. 
Before I go into the Panch Parvaan tuks.  I want to just go over the above mentioned about Panj Shabad, and it's cross reference.
Panch parvaan are also the ones that have previously activated the 5 shabads, ..killed the 5 dhoots and entered Satguru's abode. (Anand paya meri myeh, satgur mein payia)
ਵਾਜੇ ਪੰਚ ਸਬਦ ਤਿਤ ਘਰਿ ਸਭਾਗੈ ॥
vaajay panch sabad tit ghar sabhaagai.
The Panch Shabad, the five primal sounds, vibrate in that blessed house.
ਘਰਿ ਸਭਾਗੈ ਸਬਦ ਵਾਜੇ ਕਲਾ ਜਿਤ੝ ਘਰਿ ਧਾਰੀਆ ॥
ghar sabhaagai sabad vaajay kalaa jit ghar Dhaaree-aa.
In that blessed house, the Shabad vibrates; He infuses His almighty power into it.
ਪੰਚ ਦੂਤ ਤਧ ਵਸਿ ਕੀਤੇ ਕਾਲ ਕੰਟਕ ਮਾਰਿਆ ॥
panch doot tuDh vas keetay kaal kantak maari-aa.
Through You, we subdue the five demons of desire, and slay Death, the torturer.
 
Noting that the japji panch parvaan lines follow the mannai tuks, and are.........
ਪੰਚ ਪਰਵਾਣ ਪੰਚ ਪਰਧਾਨੁ ॥
Pancẖ parvāṇ pancẖ parḏẖān.
The chosen ones, the self-elect, are accepted and approved.  (already jivan mukht and seen Nirankar in sehaj samadhi)
 
ਪੰਚੇ ਪਾਵਹਿ ਦਰਗਹਿ ਮਾਨੁ ॥
Pancẖe pāvahi ḏargahi mān.
The chosen ones are honored in the Court of the Lord.  (They are dressed, applauded and welcomed in the darbar by all the angels, devi devte's outside and at the darbar)
 
ਪੰਚੇ ਸੋਹਹਿ ਦਰਿ ਰਾਜਾਨੁ ॥
Pancẖe sohahi ḏar rājān.
The chosen ones look beautiful in the courts of kings.  
They are dressed in robes and all the the other heavenly beauties know of these panch when they are about to arrive. Even Dhararm raj and the jamms want the darshan of these enlightened souls.. gurbani says...
ਜਨ ਕਾ ਦਰਸੁ ਬਾਂਛੈ ਦਿਨ ਰਾਤੀ ਹੋਇ ਪੁਨੀਤ ਧਰਮ ਰਾਇ ਜਾਮ ॥੧॥
Jan kā ḏaras bāʼncẖẖai ḏin rāṯī ho▫e punīṯ ḏẖaram rā▫e jām. ||1||
Even the Righteous Judge of Dharma and the Messenger of Death yearn, day and night, to be sanctified by the Blessed Vision of the Lord's humble servant. ||1||
 
There are many references in gurbani that quote the  "Jan "(ਜਨ),  in reference to the jivan mukht panch parvaan on their way to Nirankar. Many of these shabads speak about the darshan(glimpse) that spirits seek as they ascend to Waheguru's darbar.
ਪੰਚਾ ਕਾ ਗੁਰੁ ਏਕੁ ਧਿਆਨੁ ॥
Pancẖā kā gur ek ḏẖi▫ān.
The chosen ones meditate single-mindedly on the Guru.  (only nirankar is in their mind-focus and nirankar is in them. They will dissolve permanently and be true ik-mikh with nirankar)
 
Waheguru

The effect of paat on water is sukham, you cannot see it in the structure. When Emoto's study was reviewed it could not be confirmed, also those pictures show frozen water, not water.

I agree he is probably referring to the state of Sunn Smaadh. Sant Waryam Singh / Sant Isher Singh ji also refer to similar voids that need to be crossed. I will try and dig out the relevant passages.
This diagram is my attempt in trying to understand the path as described by Bhai Sewa Singh Ji Tharmala via Gurbani and how the mind has to cross these stages. (It still might be wrong but it what I understand at the present time). From the stages of Sunn "Naam/Shabad" pulls you out carries you across.

Mind is stuck in thoughts of TreGun Maya (Rajo Gun, Tamo Gun and Sato Gun) Tregun/Thoughts/1st Bhavsagar is crossed with the aid of the Gur-shabad/Gur-mantar When trying to exit the Tregun maya one will have to cross the 5 elements (Air, Water, Fire, Earth, Space). 5th, Space is also known as the beginning of Sunn. One eventually enters Nij Sunn where one has to wait. Eventually a loud Shabad/Blast manifests. If one can latch onto this blast with their surti then they are carried across into Anhad Sunn (realm of panj shabad). The Sunn stage is a difficult to cross as one call fall back into dreams or hallucinations (2nd BhavSagar). From Anhad Sunn the sounds eventually merge to form a single tone called Naam/Naad. With pure clean surti/consciousness attached to this Naam/Naad one eventually merges with Waheguru  
 

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Thanks for the reply De Niro.
Last night I read this in Bh Sew Singh Tarmala's book, 'Forgetting the way of love'. It implies that Anhad Bani and Naad are not the same thing. Is the ringing sound Anhad Bani? What are the divine words he mentions in point 4?
 
 

Thanks for the reply De Niro.
Last night I read this in Bh Sew Singh Tarmala's book, 'Forgetting the way of love'. It implies that Anhad Bani and Naad are not the same thing. Is the ringing sound Anhad Bani? What are the divine words he mentions in point 4?
 
 

I thought it was as follows:
1) Swaas Graas simran by chanting Gurmantra to stop the thoughts.
2) Enter the Sunn (going to sleep to rest)
3) Stay awake by dhyaan when free of thoughts. (Now try and stay awake without falling completely asleep but still in that thoughtless stage)
4) The divine words appear in Sunn. (This is called Sehaj Dhun. The fine high pitched sound)
5) Anhad Bani (the divine music) appears. (Countless other sounds are heard here including the 5 anhad sounds), aka shabad ghanaray)
6) The mind enters the Sunn (third Sunn).
7) Naad (word of God) appears which will help us cross the Bhavsagar (the dangerous ocean). (This is when one hears the single loud sound of toor/naad/combination of the 5 sounds/ek shabad) This is the jahaj that carries the mind across.
 The mind unites with God in Sehaj Ghar.   

I think naad refers to the divine word. This where the ringing or deep humming originates from.  It's the single ek shabad that made creation and is present in everything and everywhere.  
Anhad bani is difficult to explain but may be easier to understand as the gyan coming through and from the naad.  It is the bani, that has no akaar , that one hears via the naad. Just like the bani in sri guru granth sahib that gives us gyan via akhar(words), the anhad bani has no letters or words.  If that makes sense?

I'll attempt answering whilst i'm online at the moment.  The way I understand it and as per some of Tohana sahib's recodrings;   the bandgi or bhagti starts when you start  listening and merging (samao) into naam shabad.   This is also called doing  naam seva and is a process of gyaan and dhyiaan.  Gurmantar or jap of any mantar of form, written word or 'akaar' as in waheguru, ram ram, hari..  should lead you to the state of hearing the naam that has no written or describable akaar.  You could call it the formless stage of hearing the dhun of naam that will lead to amrit and jyot illumination..   I hope you understand it a little better?  I believe that it's also when a person starts to re-write their own lekha to some extent.
 

Importance of taking Hakumnama, cannot be emphasized enough!
Satguru speaks to everyone from its illahi bani, this is clear as a light in taking Hakumnama, lets quickly contemplate what happens- Gyani ji, individual and sangat do ardas infront of maharaj, then gyani ji sits on tabia with clear Awareness of maharaj saroop, he/she via clear awareness without mental noise, preconditioning or thought, pre conceived notions or emotions turns very effortlessly and spontaneously picks up and read ang arbitrarily.
At that moment - its jagad jot- supreme awareness(supreme atma) of sri guru granth sahib ji helps jot-jiv atma to pick up and read ang of satguru maharaj  for mass sangat, individual and guide them accordingly. This is miracle in itself - this is my freinds pure evident divine at play where supreme awareness-JOT works and operates very freely in a very clear pristine way via mere mortals and provide them with direct answers, insights, epiphanies, revelations-guidance for mass sangat or  customized for individual.
This is really helpful for everyone, especially for seekers with this guidance of hakumnama- it makes them more receptive towards outer and inner Satguru and makes them more introverted in the path and gets them out of conceptual sand box of egoic mind/mental noise.
Small clip from bhai sukha singh:
 
 
 

All recording are downloadable from the link below
http://www.gurmatveechar.com/audio.php?q=f&f=%2FKatha%2F02_Present_Day_Katha%2FBaba_Jagjit_Singh_(Harkhowal_wale)%2FDiscussions_Questions_and_Answers

This was quite interesting despite the bad translations
 

Someone seeked clarification via PM of what was said in this video. Thought I would summarise some of it here.
1 Doing loads of waheguru simran leads to rom rom simran. This can be felt like if all your body hair or pores are standing up. For example like when your cold, nervous or even tickled.
2 You do Waheguru gurmantar simran to bring all your thoughts to only one word/akhar "waheguru". Eventually your mind becomes still and you slowly quieten the jaap of even waheguru leaving only a silent awareness called Sunn.
3. All that now remains is your awareness of looking at the darkness in your head but no words of thought or mental chatter remain. Just a calm presence/awareness.
4. Then people start hearing sounds. These sounds people describe and whistling or teeeteee or peeeeee or like crikets etc. Because we are not used to listening to these types of sounds and are used to words of language we find it odd and think they are meaningless and useless sounds. We still want to use words or receive words. We are not aware that the language of the Waheguru is anhad sounds/anhad bani and not words. We have not developed practise or love/pyaar in listening to these sounds. People fob them off as teetee, peeepeee tinnitus etc. Not knowing that these sounds would lead you more closer/deeper towards Sach/Truth/Nirankar if only you listened to them.

This was quite interesting despite the bad translations
 

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Everyone's path is different, some of us have to work to get it, while some have it revealed to them due to their naturally elevated consciousness carried over from work they put in in a past life. 

Thank you again, and now I completely understand why did you want to share the post with me. Actually while looking for a way of not sleeping, by the grace of guru ji's, I found how to do rom rom simran. what you shared I also started doing for last 10 days. I am going to keep on practicing this. I am making good progress but wants to do rom rom simran all the time instead of me focusing and starting this by controlling my breath and moving the focus on heartbeat and then naval pulses. I hope this will start automatically at some time.
Thank you again for sharing this, It confirms that I am moving in the right direction.

Read these two threads