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Beautiful!

Wow amazing.

I wonder what the original Sanskrit narrative says at this point? 

One of fourteen things obtained when the ocean was churned. 
Guru Granth Sahib Ji still indicates not to touch it. 

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ਤਿਨ ਕੋ ਬਹੁ ਦੈ ਸੰਗਿ ਪਾਰਥ ਲੈ ਹਰਿ ਭੋਜਨ ਕੀ ਭੂਅ ਮੈ ਪਗ ਧਾਰ੍ਯੋ । ਪੋਸਤ ਭਾਂਗ ਅਫੀਮ ਮੰਗਾਇ ਪੀਯੋ ਮਦ ਸੋਕ ਬਿਦਾ ਕਰਿ ਡਾਰ੍ਯੋ ।
They gave great presents to Krishna, who then taking Arjuna along with him went to eat; they requested poppy seeds, opium, cannabis and alcohol, indulging with these they removed all their anxieties
ਮੱਤਿ ਹੋ ਚਾਰੋਈ ਕੈਫਨ ਸੋ ਸੁਤ ਇੰਦ੍ਰ ਕੈ ਸੋ ਇਮ ਸ੍ਯਾਮ ਉਚਾਰ੍ਯੋ । ਕਾਮ ਕੀਯੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਘਟਿ ਕਿਉ ਮਦਰਾ ਕੋ ਨ ਆਠਵੋ ਸਿੰਧ ਸਵਾਰ੍ਯੋ ।੨੧੧੫।
Consuming these four they became intoxicated and Krishna then said to Arjuna, "Brahma [the Creator who made the seven oceans] has done nothing right, for why did he not make the Eighth Ocean out of alcohol?"
ਦੋਹਰਾ ।
ਤਬ ਪਾਰਥ ਕਰਿ ਜੋਰਿ ਕੈ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਉ ਕਹ੍ਯੋ ਸੁਨਾਇ । ਜੜ ਬਾਮਨ ਇਨ ਰਸਨ ਕੋ ਜਾਨੈ ਕਹਾ ਉਪਾਇ ।੨੧੧੬।
Then Arjuna, while folding his hands, replied to Hari [Krishna], "Why would he create that? What would this dull Brahmin know of these pleasures?"
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[1] - Krishna's Presents (Alcohol) - Sri Dasam Guru Granth Sahib (manglacharan.com)
@dalsingh101
 
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Som Ras refers to a drink of the Demi-Gods. It is extracted from a plant. It is said to give the boon of immortality. 
Maybe some people call Alcohol as Soma.
It is probably called Panj Ratni.
 
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@dalsingh101
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The following passage is from the Krishnavatar, wherein Guru Gobind Singh is describing Krishna attending a gathering of warriors, who are celebrating Krishna's defeat over Jarasandh. Balrama, Krishna's brother, pleases Krishna greatly by presenting him with wine during the celebration and then Guru Gobind Singh writes that Balrama says:
ਦੀਬੋ ਕਛੂ ਮਯ ਪੀਬੋ ਘਨੋ ਕਹਿ ਸੂਰਨ ਸੋ ਇਹ ਬੈਨ ਸੁਨਾਯੋ ॥
[Balrama speaking], "Warriors! Pass a little along, and drink even more wine!" , This is what Balrama told the gathering near Krishna. ਜੂਝਬੋ ਜੂਝ ਕੈ ਪ੍ਰਾਨ ਤਜੈ ਜੁਝਾਇਬੋ ਛਤ੍ਰਨ ਕੋ ਬਨ ਆਯੋ ॥ "To lose your life fighting in the hard of battle! This is what befits warriors!"
ਬਾਰਨੀ ਕੰਉ ਕਬਿ ਸ੍ਯਾਮ ਭਨੈ ਕਚੁ ਕੇ ਹਿਤ ਤੋ ਭ੍ਰਿਗ ਨਿੰਦ ਕਰਾਯੋ ॥
The Poet Shyaam [Guru Gobind Singh] speaks of this wine; which Bhrigu Rishi has spoken ill against due to the story of Kacha
ਰਾਮ ਕਹੈ ਚਤੁਰਾਨਨਿ ਸੋ ਸੁ ਇਹੀ ਰਸ ਕਉ ਰਸ ਦੇਵਨ ਪਾਯੋ ॥1894॥
But the Poet Raam [Guru Gobind Singh] says, it is from Brahma that this nectar [that is wine] was obtained to the Gods [after the churning of the World-Ocean]
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[1] - Guru Gobind Singh on Alcohol - Krishnavtar (manglacharan.com)
 
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ਤਿਨ ਕੋ ਬਹੁ ਦੈ ਸੰਗਿ ਪਾਰਥ ਲੈ ਹਰਿ ਭੋਜਨ ਕੀ ਭੂਅ ਮੈ ਪਗ ਧਾਰ੍ਯੋ । ਪੋਸਤ ਭਾਂਗ ਅਫੀਮ ਮੰਗਾਇ ਪੀਯੋ ਮਦ ਸੋਕ ਬਿਦਾ ਕਰਿ ਡਾਰ੍ਯੋ ।
They gave great presents to Krishna, who then taking Arjuna along with him went to eat; they requested poppy seeds, opium, cannabis and alcohol, indulging with these they removed all their anxieties
ਮੱਤਿ ਹੋ ਚਾਰੋਈ ਕੈਫਨ ਸੋ ਸੁਤ ਇੰਦ੍ਰ ਕੈ ਸੋ ਇਮ ਸ੍ਯਾਮ ਉਚਾਰ੍ਯੋ । ਕਾਮ ਕੀਯੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਘਟਿ ਕਿਉ ਮਦਰਾ ਕੋ ਨ ਆਠਵੋ ਸਿੰਧ ਸਵਾਰ੍ਯੋ ।੨੧੧੫।
Consuming these four they became intoxicated and Krishna then said to Arjuna, "Brahma [the Creator who made the seven oceans] has done nothing right, for why did he not make the Eighth Ocean out of alcohol?"
ਦੋਹਰਾ ।
ਤਬ ਪਾਰਥ ਕਰਿ ਜੋਰਿ ਕੈ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਉ ਕਹ੍ਯੋ ਸੁਨਾਇ । ਜੜ ਬਾਮਨ ਇਨ ਰਸਨ ਕੋ ਜਾਨੈ ਕਹਾ ਉਪਾਇ ।੨੧੧੬।
Then Arjuna, while folding his hands, replied to Hari [Krishna], "Why would he create that? What would this dull Brahmin know of these pleasures?"
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[1] - Krishna's Presents (Alcohol) - Sri Dasam Guru Granth Sahib (manglacharan.com)
@dalsingh101
 
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I spoke to a high ranking Taksali giani a few years ago, he told me that he believed pharmaceuticals resolve one ailment of the body but then gives rise to two others in their place. 
I think  Sukha/Bhang/Marijuana/Afeem has lots of implications for modern Sikhs myself. First let me outline an economic consideration. All we hear is about farmers grief in Panjab, but these plants can be lucrative cash crops. The sukha industry is growing into an international multi-billion dollar one, and we know afeem is used in lots of medications. That's just one aspect. Being indigenous plants, Panjab is perfect to exploit this. 
Also, it makes sense to explore, understand and expand on your own indigenous culture's knowledge. On a cultural level, it is practically retarded of our people to jettison their own moorings because of imposed colonial thinking. What's happened now, is that other cultures are benefitting from these things that our community understood previously, whilst we are not (I'm talking on multiple levels). The point about us understanding and developing our own culture and knowledge is an important one. It'd be good to relieve dependency on foreign sources for our medicinal needs as well as develop our own knowledge with the aid of modern tech that can help analyse compounds better than before.  
 
Our understanding of a previously unknown but core part of our biology (the endocannabinoid system) is near enough zero. The share range of cannabinoids (there are loads at least 60 +), and terpenes the plant contains (only of which a miniscule amount are intoxicating) can lead to a next level of understanding of human (as well as general mammalian) biology. Isn't this important?
Plus in your above statement, you have made it a very individual perspective. As a quom/panth, we will have medical and psychological issues just like most other communities. Not all of our society will be as you've described above. Plus I've met a few Amritdhari Sikhs who've been taking anti-depressants or anti-psychotics for various reasons over the years. So no, they aren't immune to the human condition.     
It's the same with food. You make that available, and some people indulge to an excess, to the point of becoming morbidly obese.  There is a point about being able to understand your ithihaas and subeachaar without being influenced by outsiders. Plus some people will do what you're saying, but those people would've probably found an excuse to do it regardless of that anyway.  I know western style prohibition (war on drugs) is a complete failure, so that demonising and criminalising approach doesn't work. And you can go to Panjab itself and see that. You can see the rampant Panjabi drug dealing gangs in Canada to see that too. You can see umpteen junkies all over Southall to see that too. 
The question is: Just what was our cultures attitude towards these commonly available plants (and their derived compounds) previous to white interference? Some of us suspect that the original attitude was less detrimental to our community (and the world!) than the western model we follow today.
 
 

@dalsingh101 - The below extract is from Sri Mukat Marg Granth.
 

 
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Daas understands your point bro, but the evidence (including Gurbani verses) is pretty strong against Fish consumption.
Sri Mukat Marg Granth also looks down upon Fish eating.
 
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I think it might mean something else here? 
Dasmee Addi Guru Din jeythey - However many days there are of the first to tenth Guru?? 
 
Poorab Saman kehay haan theythey - this bit hard to translate - might be something along the lines of:  celebrate the festivals equally? 
 
ਪੁਰਬ -
SGGS Gurmukhi-Gurmukhi Dictionary Purab. 1. ਪਿਛਲੀ, ਪਹਿਲੀ, ਪੂਰਬਲੀ। 2. ਸ਼ੁਭ ਅਵਸਰ (ਦਸ ਪੁਰਬ ਜਦੋਂ ਪਰੰਪਰਕ ਤੌਰ ਤੇ ਇਸਨਾਨ ਕਰਨਾ ਚੰਗਾ ਮੰਨਿਆ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ) ਉਹ ਹਨ: ਅੱਠੇ, ਚੌਂਦੇ, ਮਸਿਆ, ਸੰਗਰਾਂਦ, ਪੂਰਨਮਾਸ਼ੀ, ਉਤਰਾਇਣ, ਦਖਣਾਇਣ, ਵਯ ਤਿਪਾਤ, ਚੰਨ ਤੇ ਸੂਰਜ ਦੇ ਗ੍ਰਹਿਣ)। 1. earlier, prenatal. 2. festivals, auspicious occasion. 1. ਉਦਾਹਰਨ: ਤਿਸੁ ਮਿਲਿਆ ਜਿਸੁ ਪੁਰਬ ਕਮਾਈ ॥ Raga Maajh 5, 48, 2:2 (P: 108). ਉਦਾਹਰਨ: ਤਿਨਿ ਹਰਿ ਧਨੁ ਪਾਇਆ ਜਿਸੁ ਪੁਰਬ ਲਿਖੇ ਕਾ ਲਹਣਾ ॥ (ਪਹਿਲਾਂ ਦੇ ਲਿਖੇ ਭਾਵ ਭਾਗਾਂ ਅਨੁਸਾਰ). Raga Aaasaa 5, 18, 4:1 (P: 375). 2. ਉਦਾਹਰਨ: ਗੁਰ ਗਿਆਨ ਸਾਚਾ ਥਾਨੁ ਤੀਰਥੁ ਦਸ ਪੁਰਬ ਸਦਾ ਦਸਾਹਰਾ ॥ Raga Dhanaasaree 1, Chhant 1, 1:3 (P: 687).  
SGGS Gurmukhi-English Dictionary [1. n. 2. n. 3. adj.] 1. (from Sk. Purva) glory, greatness. 2. (from Sk. Parvan) auspicious day, festival. 3. (from Sk. Pūrava) former
SGGS Gurmukhi-English Data provided by Harjinder Singh Gill, Santa Monica, CA, USA.  
English Translation n.m. religious function or festival; fiesta, any festival or festive occasion.  
Mahan Kosh Encyclopedia ਸੰ. ਪੂਰ੍‍ਵ. ਵਿ- ਪਹਿਲਾਂ। (2) ਸੰ. ਪਰ੍‍ਵ. {ਸੰਗ੍ਯਾ}. ਉਤਸਵ. ਤ੍ਯੋਹਾਰ. "ਬਾਬਾ ਆਇਆ ਤੀਰਥ, ਤੀਰਥ ਪੁਰਬ ਸਭੈ ਫਿਰ ਦੇਖੇ". (ਭਾਗੁ)। (3) ਦੇਖੋ, ਪੁਰਬੁ.
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ਸਮਾਨ - 
SGGS Gurmukhi-Gurmukhi Dictionary Samān. 1. ਬਰਾਬਰ, ਤੁਲ। 2. ਸਮਾਇਆ, ਮਿਲਿਆ, ਰਲਿਆ। 3. ਇਕੋ ਜਿਹੀ। 4. ਜਿਹਾ, ਵਰਗਾ। 1. alike, the same, equal. 2. merged. 3. similar. 4. like. 1. ਉਦਾਹਰਨ: ਪਾਪ ਪੁੰਨ ਦੁਇ ਏਕ ਸਮਾਨ ॥ Raga Gaurhee, Kabir, 9, 3:1 (P: 325). 2. ਉਦਾਹਰਨ: ਸਹਜਿ ਸੁਭਾਇ ਨਾਨਕ ਮਿਲੇ ਜੋਤੀ ਜੋਤਿ ਸਮਾਨ ॥ Raga Bilaaval 5, 66, 2:2 (P: 817). ਉਦਾਹਰਨ: ਸਫਲ ਜਨਮੁ ਤਿਸੁ ਪ੍ਰਾਨੀ ਕੇਰਾ ਹਰਿ ਕੈ ਨਾਮਿ ਸਮਾਨ ॥ (ਸਮਾਉਂਦਾ ਹੈ). Raga Parbhaatee 3, 5, 1:3 (P: 1334). 3. ਉਦਾਹਰਨ: ਸੀਤ ਮੰਦ ਸੁਗੰਧ ਚਲਿਓ ਸਰਬ ਥਾਨ ਸਮਾਨ ॥ Raga Maaroo 5, Asatpadee 3, 6:1 (P: 1018). 4. ਉਦਾਹਰਨ: ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਦਰਸ ਸਮਾਨ ਆਤਮਾ ਵੰਤ ਗਿਆਨ ਜਾਣੀਅ ਅਕਲ ਗਤਿ ਗੁਰ ਪਰਵਾਨ ॥ Sava-eeay of Guru Angad Dev, 4:2 (P: 1391).  
SGGS Gurmukhi-English Dictionary [P. adj.] Equal to
SGGS Gurmukhi-English Data provided by Harjinder Singh Gill, Santa Monica, CA, USA.  
English Translation (1) n.m. luggage, baggage, goods, chattels; equipment, apparatus; provisions, material. (2) adj. equal, similar, like, alike, identical, same, equivalent; consistent, consonant, congruous; pref. denoting equality or similarity, equi. (3) n.m. colloq. see ਅਸਮਾਨ2.  
Mahan Kosh Encyclopedia ਸੰ. ਵਿ- ਤੁਲ੍ਯ. ਬਰਾਬਰ. ਜੇਹਾ। (2) ਸਮਾਇਆ. ਮਿਲਿਆ. "ਜੋਤੀ ਜੋਤਿ ਸਮਾਨ". (ਬਿਲਾ ਮਃ ੫)। (3) ਦੇਖੋ, ਸਵੈਯੇ ਦਾ ਰੂਪ ੬। (4) ਨਾਭਿ ਵਿੱਚ ਰਹਿਣ ਵਾਲੀ ਪ੍ਰਾਣ ਵਾਯੂ। (5) ਆਦਰ. ਸੰਮਾਨ. "ਰਾਜ ਦੁਆਰੈ ਸੋਭ ਸਮਾਨੈ". (ਗਉ ਅਃ ਮਃ ੧)। (6) ਸ- ਮਾਨ. ਉਸ ਨੂੰ ਮੰਨ. ਉਸ ਨੂੰ ਜਾਣ. "ਚਰਨਾਰਬਿੰਦ ਨ ਕਥਾ ਭਾਵੈ ਸੁਪਚ ਤੁਲਿ ਸਮਾਨ". (ਕੇਦਾ ਰਵਿਦਾਸ)। (7) ਸਾਮਾਨ ਦਾ ਸੰਖੇਪ.
 

I fully agree Veer Ji. But didn't want to talk about it with tweedle dee and tweedle dumb. Good correlation bro. 

Given that we make endocannibinoids naturally with our bodies, you could argue the same with phyto-cannabinoids (the plant based ones we can extract).  
The fact is that we seem to know very little about ECS (EndoCannbinoid System), and very few pharmaceuticals seem seriously interested in exploring potential therapies.
It appears as if many of our organs are saturated with cannabinoid receptors (including our brains and CNS), and it seems they are somehow heavily involved in certain immune responses/functions, cell maintenance, regulating neurons amongst other things. 
Just from the perspective that studying this will give us a previously unknown understanding of important biological processes in mammalian bodies is fascinating in itself (or at least for people interested in biology).  

Body needs it. We can make it. Arguably the only weatern medication that's real medicine and actually treats the condition.

Why is insulin different?

@dalsingh101 - The below extract is from Sri Mukat Marg Granth.
 

 
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It literally means "The 10th day". It's the 10th day from New Moon Night (Maseya) and Full Moon Night (Pooranmashi). 
It is celebrated at some Nanaksar Gurudwaras.
http://gurdwarananaksar.org/english/events_e.html
 
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Daas understands your point bro, but the evidence (including Gurbani verses) is pretty strong against Fish consumption.
Sri Mukat Marg Granth also looks down upon Fish eating.
 
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There are probably many lacto-vegetarian foods (or supplements) which could help with low fertility problems.
Why choose something, which has been explicitly banned in Gurbani? 
 
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Fish has been prohibited in Bhai Desa Singh Rehatnama too.
Please read the First line in the image below:
 

 
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Where did paapiman defame our Father children?
When he said that Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaja ordered opium?
He almost certainly did for the soldiers. 
When he took Shaheed Degh or gave dispensation to use Bhang?
Well that happened. And asserting so is as disrespectful as saying the Guru Sahiban ate food. 
The uhh...debilitating effect colonialism and the war on drugs has had on your mentalities is obvious. 
Man. Gotta hand it to y'all. Treading water in the middle of da nile that long. 
I love how much people who seem to have a problem with Bhang, are unhappy, belligerent people, incapable of discourse. It really only makes the argument that what they're doing isn't working for them. 
I was raised around every type of imperial christianity. It's had a profound effect on you, you don't seem to realize. You've been wasped lol. 
So well you're on here disrespecring the Guru Sahiban, Shaheeds and the history of the Paanth.
You reefer madness cats are delusional and an endangered species thank God. 

I use Naam for everything myself. I've Japped Naam and been freed from illness and even death. Probably Japped Naam through pain that would have had posters here begging for opium of some kind. 
And yet. I don't have a problem with KNOWING that afeem was used by the troops medically. You ostrichs have yet to respond to the clear need and use for afeem after battle. 
Miserable people bro. Head in the sand. Wishing they could use Bhang. Hating the real Paanth for being free. 
If you are upset that the Paanth uses Sukha then you probably should too because that shouldn't bother you. Saying that the Guru Sahiban had medicine for war shouldn't bother you. 
The fact it does, and triggers you in fact is reason to concern yourself with getting your rational mind back. 

Maca powder. Boom. Pregnant.