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I don't think Guru Maharaj means that, sexual relations with any women except wife means the same thing, religion is not an issue. What I think it means is, ejacualtion in sex means you are willingly doing it even for a moment. I think that is the jist here. On similar note, during war, Muslims and others used to hurl nasty abuses to singhs in order to provoke them. Singhs naturally reply in same tone, its war what the hell. Guru Gobind Singh Jee heard it and said Singho' dont abuse, say 'waheguru', even in war we have standards.

We are made up of five elements, but jamdoots are made of two elements fire and air, thats why they can travel anywhere, also we can say they are normal blokes, who sometimes make mistakes with same name person and take other person soul with them. But it is rare of rare. I heard that when jamdoots take soul from the body, unimaginable pain is experienced. Some Mahapursh were saying that if we know this pain while alive, we will never forget god for a instant because this pain is so much excruciating. Upside is mentioned in this Gurbani's shabad. Dharam Raja warns his jamdoots to not go near gurmukhs(any religion); Jeh Saadhu Gobind Bhajan Kirtan Nanak Neet|| Naa hau, naa tu neh chhutay, nikat na jaaeeo doot|| (O Jamdooths, where Saadhoos of Gobind, do bhajan and kirtan everyday, never go there; if you go there, then neither you, nor I will be saved from punishment).

Ask Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee Maharaj, do ardas with degh prasad and take Hukamnama. You have to be sure in these circumstances that you have Guru's blessing.

Satkiran,I want to reply a big message but NO. You are a big girl, Hope you succeed in you want.

I have heard in katha, that one abhiyasi (highly spiritual stage) was sitting during the amrit sanchaar ceremony solely for this purpose alone that whether women who partake in panj pyaare were actually able to initiate the askers. He told that NO panj pyaare whether "men or women" can initiate the new ones, because only Guru has the right to initiate the new comers. So what actually happens in the ceremony is, after panj pyaare do ardas to start the sanchaar process by first reading five bani's. Then they collectively do ardas along with sangat to Guru Granth Sahib Jee maharaj to allow them to distribute the amrit to the seekers. Now, here is what happens as this highly spiritual told us, light(jot) from Guru Granth Sahib enters the body of the panj pyaare's and Guru himself initiate the new ones. He says that women who were in panj pyaare service, light did not enter their body, so real amrit process is interrupted; though outwardly we can say we got amrit. Also light did not enter disabled ones too. Why light(jot) did enter men and not women/diabled ones, who knows, why? except guru himself, and we can ask this question to Guru himself only when we meet him (means we need high spiritual stage) and we need to be amritdhari for that. My point is even if we want to be critical of this account as told by this person, why would we take risk of taking amrit from women/disable ones. It is already established that sikhs who take amrit from five men, reached to the god, brahamgyaan, history told us. Does we have account of single brahamgyani initiated by women. All the effort we put in, nitnem, waking early/doing simran, and what if nothing happens after we are initiated by women. If after our demise we ask god; I did everything you told, but no spritual stage for me, why? God could say who told you to do man-mat and take amrit which you think is suitable. We wont be able to answer it. So, my point is why take risk just to prove your thinking right, when Guru says leave your thinking at the door. Dont ask why this, why that, Just use your mind to accomplish what Guru told you to do, Simran, Rehat and Gurbani. Don't be a wise-ass. This comment for satkiran never say that any person here on this forum or any where else can speak for Guru, If Guru want to talk to you, he will do himself, he did not need us to speak for him. If you want to know what Guru thinks ask Guru Granth Sahib jee maharaj, take hukamnama.

Panj Pyaare gave this instructions to us, I mean to the initiated ones, because "amrit" is sprinkled in the hair and hair are the stamp of Guru, so procedure told was do ardas then sanskaar them and either bury them or flow them in running water, just like a real person cremation when the person is dead.

Quran is of Muslims, Read Swayee bani, as Guru Maharaj mentions, kateeb and Quran are different as of Christians and Muslims respectively. Four granths you are saying are of 4 Vedas. I guess at the time of Guru Gobind Singh Jee Maharaj, Britishers were in india so there scripture is also mentioned.

"Kateeb" means Bible, it is mentioned in Nitnem bani's in Jaap Sahib "Dev bhev na jahanhi jeh baed or kateeb" and in Swayee Nitnem Bani, "baed puraan kateeb kuran jameen jamaan sabaan ke pekhee" for rest I am not aware.

Thanks das.

Read the translation, Ang 874 SGGS Jee, Whole shabad.

Sant Jee was saying Saun Singh, secondly he is brahamgyani, so can't give lies for sure in sangat in the presence of Guru Maharaj.

Miss, read pappiman post clearly, he says if we take Gurbani "verses" on face value/ literal meanings then we might find the following verses obscene, he is trying to bring our attention to not focus on visual imaginary in Sri Dasam Granth Jee and focus on the purpose of it. READ before you type.

'das' hits again. ;)

Post SGGS Ang alongwith it, so others can see the shabad too.

Admin leash the rabid dog.

This Dude has some bone to pick with akhand kirtani jatha, he is all over the sikh forums criticizing them, His post on sikhnet.com, Basically he is impressed by sach khoj academy, who are against waheguru simran. Good Luck to him. What is your opinion about Akhand Kirtani?by Anti Akhand Kirtani » Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:25 am In 2014 i came into Depression after meeting Akhand Kirtani. Now i am back again! Sach Khoj Acedemy helped me a lot!! He posted a lot in last few days, ;) http://www.sikhnet.com/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=12830&p=46965 http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/77499-keshki-or-kesh/ http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/77500-why-do-akhand-kirtani-dont-say-fateh-to-other-sikhs/ http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/77501-akhand-kirtani-pakhand-httpswwwyoutubecomwatchviv5wu6bylns/ http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/77498-body-shakes-and-moves-during-simran/

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“Aghor is a very mysterious study which is rarely mentioned in books and hardly understood even by the yogis and swamis of India. It is an esoteric path involving solar science and is used for healing. This science is devoted to understanding and mastering the finer forces of life—finer than prana. It creates a bridge between life here and hereafter. There are very few yogis who practice the aghori science, and those who do are shunned by most people because of their strange ways.” “Aghor is a path which has been described in the Atharva Veda, but in none of the scriptures have I ever read that human flesh should be eaten. I asked him, “Why do you live like this, eating the flesh of dead bodies?” He replied, “Why do you call it a ‘dead body’? It’s no longer human. It’s just matter that is not being used. You’re associating it with human beings. No one else will use that body, so I will. I’m a scientist doing experiments, trying to discover the underlying principles of matter and energy” Excerpt From: Swami Rama. “Living with the Himalayan Masters.”

Sri Dasam Jee Bani demands more sucham (cleanliness) than ordinarily,includes physical as well as mentally. Reason being SINGH shaheed's are around us while we recite Sri Dasam Jee Bani. One incident as told by Giani Thakur Singh in his katha, a Singh used to do 25 Chandi de waar recitals daily and one day while reciting he opened his eyes to see a very huge Singh sitting besides him, he was naturally shocked, but singh calmed him and said we are instructed to keep an eye for you as you do a lot of Sri Dasam Jee Bani. Also for those who want to do Sri Dasam Bani, should have clean thoughts or else these Shaheed Singhs can wring you out. Giani Thakur Singh jee also said we should added more simran to daily nitnem if we aspire to do this bani as it even it out. Listen to it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAVO1IYcYII

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Debates are OK, as long as swearing and name calling is not happening. Admin must be more strict with language used here. If we want to curse and abuse, we have Facebook and reddit for that, point of coming to this forum is to have peaceful and meaningful discussion, I guess nobody is here to waste their time. Bottomline quality control should be strictly implemented with no second warning. We should check our emotions before posting on topics or else refrain from it.