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  1. Having been directed to this thread by a friend who found this discussion quite funny, I can only say, Wow it sucks to be you. If you cant feel anything at a Smagam when you have an entire roomfull of Gursikhs singing, whether it is in proper Raag or not, the word Waheguru should be enough to do something, and if not then somethings wrong. Even the most spiritual devoid people can enjoy a Rensavae at least a bit. "Sikh_fauge" the reason Rensavae keertan is being made fun of, compared to rock concerts, gigs etc, is simply because it is AKJ. Its a pity that people like N30 Singh dont address their problems to prominent members of a Jatha. Funny how people express their opinions more freely when hiding behind a VDU.
  2. I appreciate what your saying Bhai Sahib, but I cannot treat someone who convinces Singhnees to remove hair, remove their kakkars and attempts to convince them they are trying to be men, as my brother.
  3. Please reply below in a full reply, not add 1 or 2 points to your original because you still dont adress it all. Are women who wear jeans now part of the 3rd gender? And because you dont care about African women, its irrelevant- answer the question.
  4. good point sikh_fauge. Sikhs like to say how Sikhi is above alcohol obsessed, casteist Punjabi society sometimes, when yet it suits them they like falling back on the sexism and the frankly outdated, sad ideas of what women should be. However this is expected really; an interpritation of Sikhi based on late 18th and early 19th century texts and ideas when Hindu influence in Sikhi was at his highest will only bring such a result. You only need to compare Bhai Nand Lal "Tanakhah-Nama" to Bhai Chaupa Singh rehatnama to see how quickly Bahmanism got a hold of Sikhism. Yet we still have Lalleshvari referring to Kesar Singh Chhiber as if he is reliable.
  5. Gyani Gurdit Singhs book on Ragmalla explains all. Alam was not a Bhagat or remotely spiritual. He wrote erotic liturature.
  6. Lalleshvari you have not answered all my questions. You avoided by question on Baba Ji. If Baba Ji was a Gurmukh which he was, why did he not dictate Gurus will to his family members. Why did he condone what you would consider Manmat? I did not ask you for a definition of Kesh. I asked you, if women leave their hair alone, are they considered part of your 3rd gender? I dont want a thesis, I want a yes or no. What about women who leave body hair - are they 3rd gender too? I didnt ask you if Kard Amrit was inferior or not. I told you that the "super puratan Snatan Akali Sikh ancient history text" Prem Surag Granth clearly mentions Khanda Amrit for women. You avoided my questions on doorags, western clothes, the Desa Singh Rehatnama, wearing the Kirpan (is this a male thing only?) I have read Akal Ustat and I am yet to see evidence that Guru Gobind Singh didnt want his daughters to wear dastar or take Khanda Amrit. I am intriguted as to why you believe the Kachereh are impractical for women, and frankly I am suprised that most the members on this forum condone your views. Is my assumption correct, that forum members have no problem with Lalleshvari saying women who take amrit from a Khanda, rather than his dodgy Kard, and follow rehat (regardless of keski or not) are adopting the 3rd gender? You seem to making all this 3rd gender stuff up as you go along. Yes the 3rd gender may exist, but what makes you so sure that simply by wrapping a 5 meter length of cloth round ones head, someone ceases to be a true woman? Do not bother replying until you reply to all my points
  7. Lalleshvhari your arguement hinges on the fact that there are seperate rehats for men and women. Having just read a section of Prem Surag Granth (marriage section) it is mentioned that hte man and woman should take khanda da pahul together. Not kard da pahul or any other such bahman invention. Is a woman who takes Khanda Da Pahul, classified into the 3rd gender? Women who leave their bodies as Waheguru created it will have a small amount of facial hair, usually upper lip. Since you believe Kesh is only on hte head and anything else can be shaved/plucked/pulled off, do women who leave their facial hair (as men leave their beard), become classified into this 3rd gender? You claim that the turban is a masculine feature; what is your opinion on the Kaccha/Kachereh? Are not wearing knee length breeches a masculine thing? Is a woman who adopts the Kaccha as part of the panj kakkars, classified into this 3rd gender of yours? What about wearing of weapons - in "Classical Indian Society" or whatever you want to call it, women stay at home and cook. Would wearing of the kirpan constitute a classification into the dreaded "3rd gender"? In the West, some women wear doo rags which are a little like turbans. Are they adopting the 3rd gender? If they lived in India where men wear turbans do they adopt the 3rd gender? Some women also wear jeans, hooded tops, trainers, tracksuits etc. Going back 10 20 years these people would be classified also into the 3rd gender. I remember reading something about jewlery and make up being ok on shastarvidiya.org.. Yet the Desa Singh Rehatnama which is constantly used to justify Jhatka, Sukkha and alcohol, also says, "do not wear makeup or jewelry". Do you admit that Baba Gurbachan Singh Bhindranwales female family members adopted the 3rd gender, and if so, why did Baba Ji, being a Gurmukh of a high degree, and knowing exactly what Gurus hukam was, encourage them to wear dastar, when you claim Guru Gobind Singh would rather women stayed with their traditional roles?
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