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  1. @chatanga1 - are there any sources specifically that state Mai Bhago never participated in Amrit sanchar? i have always personally thought that there wasn't a specific reason women are not currently allowed to be Panj, that it was just a holdout from the 18th/19th century mindset where women weren't even permitted to take Khande di pahul.
  2. @WakeUp I'm assuming you're referring to the Chaupa Singh rehitnama. I do agree that those aspects are out of line w/Gurmat, and may have arisen from the personal biases of the author himself.
  3. Interesting thread. I too have noticed that much of the rehit literature is very male-centric, in that it directly addresses males and males only (but to be fair, so is a lot of pre-rehit Sikh literature, such as Bhai Gurdas Ji da Vaaran) We know that for a good chunk of history at least, a lot of women took kirpan-da-pahul and thus had their own rehit. However, there are references to women taking Khande-da-pahul (which I believe was originally how it was supposed to be), and one wonders if the Rehit literally applied equally to women in every case then. For example, Mai Bhago wore
  4. @amardeep I don't have the Punjabi manuscript at the time, but how is it used? From some cursory googling it seems like "tankhiya" within Chaupa Rehitnama is used as a lesser infraction than those which make you patit (e.g., breaking kurehit). This is interesting as I've always considered tankhiya to be the utmost offense on a political level, much higher than patit; for example, Ala Singh's relationship with Abdali.
  5. Hi all, Where does the "Kurehit" word come from? I'm guessing that Tankhiya comes from Nand Lal's tanakhnama, but no clue where Kurehit comes from. In fact, in my quick combing of some puratan rehits, I can't find the term used anywhere (even though it certainly was at that time vocally). My educated guess is that it's a compound word: Ku-rehit, with "ku" meaning violation of some sort. But does anyone know the specific meaning?
  6. "Gujjar" vs "Gujri" is nothing more than a red herring, the difference is that Gujri is actually a normal first name that just sounds like the gotar (just like Sodi) and Chhina was always a last name for Bidhi Chand. This'll be my last post on the topic as I don't see it reaching anywhere conclusive. @BhagatSingh, the burden of proof is on you, not me, to show how every single Sikh historical text written that states there was only one Khatri as part of the Panj Pyare and the other four were emphatically not so are in fact wrong and that your theory that they were all Khatri (or po
  7. @BhagatSingh, we aren't talking about spiritual or meditative practices here , we are discussing history which requires historical evidence. If you're suggesting Waheguru (yes, I got your "Narsingh Narayan" reference) has given you some historical insight on which you base your theories, kindly lay them out (which you amply have in this post, so thanks). If you're suggesting that Waheguru has exclusively enlightened you and only you on the truth of the matter, and there's no way someone like me who's not initiated will be able to understand, well, I'm afraid any discussion on my part will have
  8. Not to put you on the spot mate, but you often concoct these really esoteric theories contingent on a particular interpretation of one minor detail that goes against the bulk of what Sikh historical evidence has to say. I'm all for making creative theories, but there has to be a more rigorous standard for supporting them. For one, your notion about the surnames being exclusive to Kshatriyas is ridiculous. Bhai Bidhi *Chand* is just one example of a Jatt (Chinna) with those names. If you go to Haryana today you will see Jaats with the name "Chand" and "Das" all the time. The names may at o
  9. @chatanga1 Definitely make the trip if you can. It is harder if you live in India, if you live in the West it's fine. Nankana Sahib is absolutely magnificent, and the sangat is such a treat (living in accord with Guru's hukam much more than their neighbors to the East of the border).
  10. I visited Nankana Sahib and other itihaasic Gurdware in Pakistan a couple of months ago. The situation in Pak Punjab, contra to what sensationalist reports would have you believe, is overall pretty stable. The Pakistan government actually protects the historic Gurdwaras. The main obstacle for Pakistani Punjabi Sikhs is poverty, but that's a problem across Pak Punjab and I believe Sikhs are well off compared to others, particularly because of the strong community. Peshawar is now a hot spot because of the rise of Taliban types. A lot of Sikhs living in Nankana Sahib currently are or
  11. On a tangent, misl sardars really loved hogs' flesh.
  12. @dalsingh101 and @Jatro, agreed on Bhangoo's unapologetic attitude. Funny story, the first time I read PPP was in early middle school/late elementary school, and I was very much schooled in the "modernist" apologetic group A form of thought. My impression of Shaheedan of old was that they were all like Yoda, spending all their time in meditation, always calm and saintly, and only reaching for the sword in pure self-defense. When I read PPP, I was legitimately disturbed (the violent imagery's a bit much for a kid, especially one raised in a coddled household), and I remember telling my father t
  13. @amardeep My impression was that come Sarbat Khalsa, Dals are divided into misls. The Dal system at that system pretty much ceased to exist, as each individual misldar started gaining power and growing their own little kingdom. All the misls eventually "modernize" into the sort of aesthetic/royal values you see particularly expressed in Ranjit Singh's court; all except for the Shahidi misl, who holds to the traditions of the old, and eventually takes its height of power under Akali Phula Singh (who claims to be the titular head of the now-technically-defunct Budha Dal). I have heard Shah
  14. @dalsingh101, maybe we approach this from different frameworks. The sort of pindu insularity we see in the panth today, I see as endemic to Jatts/uneducated stemming back to the Gurus' time. It's true that the Angrej preyed upon this, and thus the modern manifestations we see are usually directly linked to the British, but some of the cultural characteristics are core, I would think. Let's take the fascination some idiots have with racializing castes and trying to paint Jatts as being Europeans or whatever. That specific type of regressive mentality is obviously very much taken from the Britis
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