gurmukh singh

So next question is how many Sikhs at that time considered him as their Jathedar? If some Akalis attacked him in 'a hideous way' as you said then why didn't the Panth take action against these akalis?

Interesting A Muslim's ego or what is written in the Koran? It's interesting because the Koran makes not attempt to guide a Muslim to do away with ego, in fact it feeds it by telling him that he and his religion is the 'true' religion.

Is it Shiromani Committee da 50 sala Ithihaas by Shamsher Singh Ashok? It's a good resource book, contains details of all the meetings ever held by the SGPC as well as the resolutions during the last 50 years

can you elaborate? what you mean akalis attacked some Baba? Aussie Bhanji, one of my friends grandfather took part in the Akali movement!. I know one guy here whose ancestors could never have taken part in the Akali movement.. like your most famous export Rolf Harris says...Can you tell what who it is yet

Gunmen hunted 'infidel' westerners in Saudi say expats 31.05.2004 12.15am - UPDATE KHOBAR, Saudi Arabia - "Are you Muslim or Christian? We don't want to kill Muslims. Show us where the Americans and Westerners live," Islamic militants told an Arab after launching a shooting spree on Westerners in Saudi Arabia. The four gunmen, aged 18 to 25 and wearing military vests, grabbed Abu Hashem, an Iraqi with a US passport, in front of his home in the Oasis compound in Khobar but let him go when he told them he was a Muslim. "Don't be afraid. We won't kill Muslims even if you are an American," he quoted them as saying. The Oasis compound, where suspected al Qaeda militants held about 50 foreigners hostage, was the last target in a rampage that struck oil firms and residential compounds in the oil city of Khobar where at least 17 people were killed on Saturday. Saudi commandos rescued most of the hostages on Sunday after storming the building where the militants had seized them. Some of the hostages, mostly Westerners, were taken to hospital and others to hotels but most were too shaken to speak to journalists. There were reports that the gunmen had killed several hostages, but details were unclear. Some of the foreign residents interviewed said they wanted to leave the oil-rich Gulf state which has waged a year-long campaign against militants loyal to Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda. Abu Hashem, the director of a Saudi firm who has been in Khobar for six months, said he wanted to move to Bahrain. He said the four gunmen had been polite and calm. "They gave me a lecture on Islam and said they were defending their country and ridding it of infidels," he told Reuters at Qusaibi hotel. "The gunmen were so polite. I cannot comprehend this politeness they showed me because I am a Muslim and this cruelty to others," said Abu Hashem, who declined to give his first name. He said that while talking to the gunmen he saw the bloodied body of a Swedish cook who worked in the compound. He had been shot dead. An American, a Briton, an Egyptian, two Filipinos, an Indian, a Pakistani and nine Saudis, mostly security men, were also killed on Saturday, security sources said. A purported al Qaeda statement claimed responsibility for the attack. The group has repeatedly vowed to rid the Arabian peninsula of "infidels". Lebanese Abdulsalam Hakawti, a 38-year-old financial director, was at home with his wife and two-year-old son when he heard someone storm through the door of his villa in the Oasis complex. They ran upstairs with one militant in hot pursuit. "Asalam Alaykum," Hakawati said he told the militant using the traditional Muslim greeting. "(The gunman) told me 'Our jihad is not against Muslims but against Americans and Westerners' and asked me to show him which villas had Americans and Westerners." Hakawati, who escaped last year's deadly suicide bombing on a housing compound in the capital Riyadh, said he told the young bearded gunman, dressed in a T-shirt and navy trousers, that he had only been in Khobar for three days. There have a string of attacks in Saudi Arabia in the past year, including suicide bombings and shootings. "These militants have robbed us of any feeling of security," said Abu Yasser, a 42-year-old Jordanian whose Oasis villa became a refuge for several terrified neighbours. "This is home, I have been living in this country for 40 years and I would not leave. The country has changed but I won't leave, all my family is here," he said.

Agree with you Bhainji. There was a programme a few days ago in which a Muslim guy said that Muslims could not have done 9/11 because 'over 3000 Muslims died in the attack'! These people get more and more outrageous. One Muslim guy I know said that the Jews had done 9/11 and that they made sure that all Jews working on the towers reported off sick! Oh dear have I just pre-empted the points that Beast was going to raise..lol

Beast You are becoming a respository of all the cliches and excuses ever used by apologists of Muslim terrorism. Have you seen an IRA or UDA terrorist holding up the Bible and justifying killing people in the name of the Bible? Has Gerry Adams used verses from the Bible to justify the violence of the IRA? Stop trying to rationalise the killing of innocent people by Muslim terrorists, for one you're not very good at it!

Thanks dymanic banda for your views. I asked the question because I was interested in how the samparday have gone from being traditionally being selective in the way they took students, i mean i know of no non-indian being a nirmala before modern times You what? I asked lalleshvari a question which only he would be able to answer. check the words i wrote, i said 'traditionally' , i think you need to read up on history, every foreigner was considered a malesh, whether they were arabs, turks, afghans or even the brits here a definition just for you Tra*di"tion*al*ly, adv. definition: [adv] according to tradition; in a traditional manner; "traditionally, we eat fried foods on Hanukah any chance you might apologise to me..lol..

true say!

I would also like to see the reason for lalleshvaris comment above. Lalleshvari as a non-jat , non-punjabi, non-indian, non-asian no offence but aren't you traditionally viewed as a Mallesh by the sampardaiyas?

Criticise the man's views with solid facts.. if you can. :roll:

This is a great observation brother. It is impossible for those who come from the rigid background like Islam to understand concepts which mohammed did not write about in the koran

Methinks the joke's on you, it was Jamuka who made the comment about Bhai Gurdas and not Babbar Sher. The Admin has already corrected Jamuka about this. It is very sad that you find the need to lay a false accusation against Babbar Sher just to try and make yourself feel better because you have been unable to counter his views. In my view he is giving a Gursikh view whilst you make stuff up as you go along. I would accept you to make a full apology to Babbar Sher and if not then can the administrators take action against lalleshvari