Still nascent

Its been an year now since m in touch with him. My Amrit was off n on then. Its pretty stable by his jugti now. He made me identify the shabad. Now he suggested this n told me the technique but i couldn't get it well thus wanted inputs from Gurmukh's here. I have heard this in kathas too but this is something am kinda stuck at.

Are you really curious on the effects of bhaang? Ok .. this is a faint memory, i ll try to recall. It waz abt 15-20 yrs ago while i waz in coll back home. Our city was famous for a big Mahadev temple. One day as we reached college after the private morning lesson, it waz a holiday due to Shivratri we didnt know of We were a gang of 8 to 10 boys n gals n you know how those days are. Carefree and fun loving we all were. A few girls among the bunch offered to go to Mahadev temple as they used to do regular Monday vrats too. So there went us all to the mandir. Mine was pure curiosity and fun drive to tk me to the high peak as had never been to that mandir before n anyway didn't want to go back home so early. Ok so as we reached the temple it was much crowded than i thot. Long lines for darshan repelled me to an extent that i offered to stand outside with the shoes of my frens. Later. we all noticed that the longer que was of "thandai" or shambhu prasad" ss the board read. Curiosity took over the better part of each of us but the que. The que for women was relatively smaller. One of the bolder ones bought a water bottle from the nearby stand and got it empty, then stood in the que for a good 30 mins to get us all a bottle full of -bhaang Yes i did have a big mouthful of that cool peppermint tasting drink n must agree that it was delicious. The girl who got it offered it to all one by one, Most of us had a sip or two except herself who finished the rest of it . - about 1/3 of a litre. The effect was pretty fast on her. The otherwise sober among others stood there in front of the big statue of Shiva admiring his muscles n talking sexy about his body. Other girls somehow caught hold of her and we left her home with a lot of difficulty. She kept on dancing n singing all the way back home. She didn't remember anything a day after. Though we all teased her senses out later. As for me when i reached home i told my mother bout our trip to the temple n me tasting bhang. She offered me regular early lunch and a lemonade. I remember eating more than i usually did n went to sleep . Didnt wake up till night. Had dinner may be ( not sure) n slept again. Woke up next morning. So eventually a person keeps on doing what ever he's upto for a very long interval of time without being in senses after having bhung. Even a single sip has some effect. It's that strong n thas y m against it. One more time my father saab ate bhaang pakoras in an official holy party without his knowledge n it was worse, i tell you. That is why i tell everyone to be afar from these intoxicants. They may be natural jadi booti but they are far more strong than any whiskey or alchohol. Rest is your choice. Call me tweedle dumb or what you may.

Ji Baba ji from Prabh ka Simran kender , maand. He said to look at the nose with opening your eyes less and do Simran

Baani depends on one's avastha. It has different meanings for people at different spiritual level. Did You intentionally not mention the whole shabad? It would have clarified the concept better if you did bro.

hau FwFI dir gux gwvdw jy hir pRB BwvY ] hau ddaaddee dhar gun gaavadhaa je har prabh bhaavai || pRBu myrw iQr QwvrI hor AwvY jwvY ] prabh meraa thir thaavaree hor aavai jaavai || so mMgw dwnu guosweIAw ijqu BuK lih jwvY ] so ma(n)gaa dhaan guosaieeaa jit bhukh leh jaavai || pRB jIau dyvhu drsnu Awpxw ijqu FwFI iqRpqwvY ] prabh jeeau dhevahu dharasan aapanaa jit ddaaddee tirapataavai || Ardwis suxI dwqwir pRiB FwFI kau mhil bulwvY ] aradhaas sunee dhaataar prabh ddaaddee kau mahal bulaavai || pRB dyKidAw duK BuK geI FwFI kau mMgxu iciq n AwvY ] prabh dhekhadhiaa dhukh bhukh giee ddaaddee kau ma(n)gan chit na aavai || sBy ieCw pUrIAw lig pRB kY pwvY ] sabhe ichhaa pooreeaa lag prabh kai paavai || hau inrguxu FwFI bKisEnu pRiB puriK vydwvY ]9] hau niragun ddaaddee bakhasion prabh purakh vedhaavai ||9||

When i heard from Bhai Sahab yesterday, he was talking about drishti banauni to see sach. He said twaadi avastha n bhakti hai hun drishti bannani sikho. So m seeking inputs on the same. @Luckyji @Sat1176ji @HisServantji @Sikhilove@sevakji @ragnarokji and others - Benti Gurmukho help karo ji

Very well! Gaaveh khaani chaare. Gaaveh khand mandal varbhanda.... I kept on wondering for a long time if Astral sounds are Anhad sounds? They are pretty close to what i hear. Then as Gurbani says gyaan khand mai gyaan parchand tithe naad binod kod Anand which means that one reaches gyaan khand he hears these naad and gains spiritual wisdom plus bliss. Now astral sounds can be a part of naad though like any other music however its not the same as Anhad. Now since naam vibrates in every thing naam vibrates in planets as well hence astral sounds can be naam but naam isn't Astral sounds. I love his creation. So interesting yet so complex- vismaad n achraj

We read about Dasam duar in Nitnem twice everyday. so dru kyhw so Gru kyhw ijqu bih srb smwly ] so dhar kehaa so ghar kehaa jit beh sarab samaale || vwjy nwd Anyk AsMKw kyqy vwvxhwry ] vaaje naadh anek asa(n)khaa kete vaavanahaare || kyqy rwg prI isau khIAin kyqy gwvxhwry ] kete raag paree siau kaheean kete gaavanahaare || gwvih quhno pauxu pwxI bYsMqru gwvY rwjw Drmu duAwry ] gaaveh tuhano paun paanee baisa(n)tar gaavai raajaa dharam dhuaare || gwvih icqu gupqu iliK jwxih iliK iliK Drmu vIcwry ] gaaveh chit gupat likh jaaneh likh likh dharam veechaare || gwvih eIsru brmw dyvI sohin sdw svwry ] gaaveh ieesar baramaa dhevee sohan sadhaa savaare || gwvih ieMd iedwsix bYTy dyviqAw dir nwly ] gaaveh i(n)dh idhaasan baiThe dhevatiaa dhar naale || gwvih isD smwDI AMdir gwvin swD ivcwry ] gaaveh sidh samaadhee a(n)dhar gaavan saadh vichaare || gwvin jqI sqI sMqoKI gwvih vIr krwry ] gaavan jatee satee sa(n)tokhee gaaveh veer karaare || gwvin pMifq pVin rKIsr jugu jugu vydw nwly ] gaavan pa(n)ddit paRan rakheesar jug jug vedhaa naale || gwvih mohxIAw mnu mohin surgw mC pieAwly ] gaaveh mohaneeaa man mohan suragaa machh piaale || gwvin rqn aupwey qyry ATsiT qIrQ nwly ] gaavan ratan upaae tere aThasaTh teerath naale || gwvih joD mhwbl sUrw gwvih KwxI cwry ] gaaveh jodh mahaabal sooraa gaaveh khaanee chaare || gwvih KMf mMfl vrBMfw kir kir rKy Dwry ] gaaveh kha(n)dd ma(n)ddal varabha(n)ddaa kar kar rakhe dhaare || syeI quDuno gwvih jo quDu Bwvin rqy qyry Bgq rswly ] seiee tudhuno gaaveh jo tudh bhaavan rate tere bhagat rasaale || hoir kyqy gwvin sy mY iciq n Awvin nwnku ikAw vIcwry ] hor kete gaavan se mai chit na aavan naanak kiaa veechaare || soeI soeI sdw scu swihbu swcw swcI nweI ] soiee soiee sadhaa sach saahib saachaa saachee naiee || hY BI hosI jwie n jwsI rcnw ijin rcweI ] hai bhee hosee jai na jaasee rachanaa jin rachaiee || rMgI rMgI BwqI kir kir ijnsI mwieAw ijin aupweI ] ra(n)gee ra(n)gee bhaatee kar kar jinasee maiaa jin upaiee || kir kir vyKY kIqw Awpxw ijv iqs dI vifAweI ] kar kar vekhai keetaa aapanaa jiv tis dhee vaddiaaiee || jo iqsu BwvY soeI krsI hukmu n krxw jweI ] jo tis bhaavai soiee karasee hukam na karanaa jaiee || so pwiqswhu swhw pwiqswihbu nwnk rhxu rjweI ]27] so paatisaahu saahaa paatisaahib naanak rahan rajaiee ||27||

Again! I would have to disagree. This reminds me of a story. A beggar was given a boon to ask for anything he wants. He asked for a car, when asked Why? He said it would be easy for me to reach the temple everyday where I come to beg, if i have a car. can't atleast we sikhs grow up and use our amuly bani for something worth? Our baani is capable of providing us with Naam which is a nidhaan of 9 nidh 18 sidh If a person wakes up at midnight to do a jaap of such valuable mantra- will he ask for trifles like women? sloku mÚ 3 ] salok mahalaa teejaa || bRhmu ibMdY iqs dw bRhmqu rhY eyk sbid ilv lwie ] braham bi(n)dhai tis dhaa brahamat rahai ek sabadh liv lai || nv inDI ATwrh isDI ipCY lgIAw iPrih jo hir ihrdY sdw vswie ] nav nidhee aThaareh sidhee pichhai lageeaa fireh jo har hiradhai sadhaa vasai || ibnu siqgur nwau n pweIAY buJhu kir vIcwru ] bin satigur naau na paieeaai bujhahu kar veechaar || nwnk pUrY Bwig siqguru imlY suKu pwey jug cwir ]1] naanak poorai bhaag satigur milai sukh paae jug chaar ||1||

Perhaps because she's right? These granths were altered after his death. Else why would he defame his own grandfather ? Which is much of a possibility done by muslims of those times or by gorays. Most of the goray wanted sikhs to be their soldiers as they were brave and we all know about their cunningness to frame sikhs under the name of the Gurus. They changed all this to frame sikhs that soldiers in Gurus times used opium n bhung to make sure that sikhs remain out of their minds and only use their bodies instead. Or may be he was like our bro @paapimandefaming his own spiritual father yeah?

yaar tusi te bade gusse plus jaldi vich lagde ho? I told you I didn't understand it then .. It's a matter of practice. Of experience. It's Not the matter of explainations... Ok tell me something I was hungry I ate something filling I am satisfied now, if a guest comes to me and ask me how did your tummy get satisfied by what you ate. I don't know what to tell him. All I can tell him is I was hungry. I got food. It satisfied me. But how? I have no clue.. That's how its meant to be. Earth is round. It revolves around the Sun but why nd how? I don't know.. As you progress in Bhakti you cross few hurdles and move further in Stages- avasthas. You are right. I don't have answers. I am no gyaani but this forum I am aware, has those brilliant diamonds. Be humble. Keep walking.. You will feel those avasthaas yourself.. If you r keen in getting answers you WILL get them. Bani certifies that. Turde ko turda mile urde ko urda

They are all traps bro. There are thousands of worlds out there. Paataala paatal lakh agaasa aagaas orak orak bhaal thake.. Keep on searching and getting tired. The only parmeshwar is sarab vyaapak- omnipresent. Why waste time in searching Astral worlds when we can feel him as close as our eyes

No brother, they both are the students of PMKC Moga. We should put our dhyaan as per Dharamjeet Singh ji on a point outside our forhead. He points at it about 6 inches bahar than forhead Or nose end and Simranjeet Singh tohana calls the same as khali khala. Point is same only the manner of saying is different. That's what I have understood. I stand to be corrected.

When I was small and ask questions like these my mom used to say "beta Gurbani buddhi da vishey( subject) nahi hai" I didn't understand then but now I do. Meri matt thori Ram

So what do you both suggest, shall I keep on walking my path without any particular teacher among these. Keep on picking tits and tats from here and there with SGGS as my everything as sukhpreet says.

True ! I am so thankful and proud to be a part of this platform. Thank you

Exactly is what is happening with me too. Thanks sat ji for this, you have given it words. I am drowning and I know I am but don't know how to save myself. Looking for sangat we created a group of a few like minded Gurmukhs, but then each has a different teacher one among you mentioned and a few more. Who's that ONE teacher to follow is my quest. I got to Amrit ras - sehaj subhaay and then thought it was a disease for lack of knowledge. Started following other Mat's philosphers. Something similar happened to mooorakh bhn, she got close to dhund before seeing Parmatma and thought it's her eye sight. Now One Teacher fights 5 chanting loudest with Gurmantra . Other says pyaar naal 'pani khicho'. Third calls Wa he Guru in 3 syllables and each claims they have seen waheguru with their jugti. I am stuck of course looking for the one right for me. Only Gurmail singh ji mentioned about dhund but he also mentioned about colors which Dharamjeet singh ji said is nowhere in SGGS as one other lady in the group follows him and discussed it with him. He said this shouldn't be followed. Simranjeet singh ji is too busy and has too many followers. That's why this isn't an easy path..

Yeah, seems in place. The content and the little pic on it matches. That's the point. He has practical gyaan. He sounds genuine only this is skeptical? ( pic below I have hidden the number intentionally)

Not sure bro. Never seen him.

Thank you veerji, that's the sound of my logical mind too. As for mann - it's asking me to follow that person cos there's no flaw that logical mind could find, which among them is Atma di awaaz is my dubidha

No no brother, it's not that he said Onkaar jap, he said Onkaar kar sakde jo, waheguru kar sakde jo, Hari, Allah any.. He himself does Waheguru simran and so do I. Thank you ji. I do saas gras but i will do inward pumps as well, that may help my bulging tummy too : - ) Now that's a story brother. I heard about this Veerji from a learned Gurmukh, he also sent these recordings. I downloaded this app, got his number from there and called him. Don't ask me why because I am still asking this myself. Now this person had a strong persona. A very strong vibration, he said he could take me across the bhavjal of vichaars Yes you read it right. He says he can. I got in dubidha - one head said wow! I have been asking for this all my life, koi aave santo! types and the logical one says - Hows it possible? I was stuck. I contacted a few Gurmukhs I know including mooorakh bhn she's a member of a gurbani group I follow. Sent them all the recordings and pics. But haven't received any substantial answer yet What shall I do? Is this a test or an opportunity? I hv started following Osho few years ago, don't want to repeat my mistake. This veerji seems full of practical gyaan, talks sense. Chants Waheguru. No money or any thing asked rather he's in merchant Navy, so he earns a hefty salary-don't see any minus anywhere Please guide every one. Sangat is the Guru

This Gurmukh has some sort of power - siddhi i may say @hsingh6 , I don't recommend him on the forum because I am not sure if it's permitted in Sikhi but to be honest I felt the power in his pran. You decide yourself. I am refering NOT recommending https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=in.atamgian This is his app on playstore. Is also available on Apple Store. Gurfateh ji

Sat Sri Akal all, I happen to meet a gurmukh today, we were casually discussing abhyaas and he mentioned " Twade praana vich bot kampan hai. " He told me to do kapaalbhaati - exhale 20-30 times powerfully Can someone please elaborate more on this and yoga and meditation in sikhi part. Please @Lucky @Sat1176 @Mooorakh @DeNiro @tva prasad @HisServant and other abhiyaasis n guests. Your inputs are welcome

And as for kirtan. You are # learned enough to refer to Bani as to what actually kirtan is. Our Gurus have given such signifance to raags and dhunis. Those who hear anhad naads would know the importance of kirtan like moorakh bhenji but if you are disgracing a Gurmukh taunting about tolerance, I personally find you intolerant rather. Not just anything or anyone can do kirtan ਗਉੜੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥ Ga▫oṛī mėhlā 5. Gauree, Fifth Mehl: ਥਾਤੀ ਪਾਈ ਹਰਿ ਕੋ ਨਾਮ ॥ Thāṯī pā▫ī har ko nām. Those who obtain the wealth of the Lord's Name ਬਿਚਰੁ ਸੰਸਾਰ ਪੂਰਨ ਸਭਿ ਕਾਮ ॥੧॥ Bicẖar sansār pūran sabẖ kām. ||1|| move freely in the world; all their affairs are resolved. ||1|| ਵਡਭਾਗੀ ਹਰਿ ਕੀਰਤਨੁ ਗਾਈਐ ॥ vadbẖāgī har kīrṯan gā▫ī▫ai. By great good fortune, the Kirtan of the Lord's Praises are sung. ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਤੂੰ ਦੇਹਿ ਤ ਪਾਈਐ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ Pārbarahm ṯūʼn ḏėh ṯa pā▫ī▫ai. ||1|| rahā▫o. O Supreme Lord God, as You give, so do I receive. ||1||Pause|| Its NOT JUST ANOTHER DEVOTIONAL SONG, LIKE YOU GUYS ARE POSTING HERE ਗਉੜੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥ Ga▫oṛī mėhlā 5. Gauree, Fifth Mehl: ਸੋ ਕਿਛੁ ਕਰਿ ਜਿਤੁ ਮੈਲੁ ਨ ਲਾਗੈ ॥ So kicẖẖ kar jiṯ mail na lāgai. Do only that, by which no filth or pollution shall stick to you. ਹਰਿ ਕੀਰਤਨ ਮਹਿ ਏਹੁ ਮਨੁ ਜਾਗੈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ Har kīrṯan mėh ehu man jāgai. ||1|| rahā▫o. Let your mind remain awake IT IS A POWER TO REMOVE THE FILTH FROM Janms Anyway you can listen to whatever you wish but if you are recommending something to others, make sure it's worth. One good option is better than just any 5 which we would have anyway searched from net. Waheguru ji ka khalsa Waheguru ji ki Fateh