Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and Ragmaala Jee, I pray. God! Please make me what YOU want me, to be. God Jee, please do not make me the Kathaa Vaachak residing in the mind of Ragmaala Jee. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and Satgyan-pujari Jee! May God bless you with the shower of true Naam. You may have to experience God when He wants it. I pray for you and request God Jee to give you Satgyan for true worshiping. Life goes on even on the true journey but it is different. The Gur (Wisdom) is realized in the inner core of Mann. Then one comes to know what is Gurmantar. The inner journey starts with true Gurmantar. It is enough written about it. I feel like going for a walk now. ***** Thanks for keeping the Satsang alive. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and Xylitol Jee! You wished "I would love to see evidence for your viewpoints on Gurmantr." The reverend Gurus never say that 'Vaahiguru' is the Gurmantar or suggest doing Jap of it. Bhai Gurdaas Jee also never said "please come to me, I give you Gurmantar." You may say that all were receiving this Gurmantar through Bhai Gurdaas Jee. One day someone could not keep it secret and has started whispering it. Preachers thought to make it popular on earth to make money and reserve the seat in heaven also. Is there any evidence that Bhai Gurdaas Jee used to give this Gurmantar secretly or openly with the consent of the true Gurus? The Gurus also never mentioned the capability of Bhai Saahib giving the Gurmantar. The Aakaash Vaanee tells me that it was stolen. And thieves always follow their mind, not their true Guru. Quote "correct me if I'm wrong, but what you are saying seems to be that the Gurmantr is the mantr that a true sadhu gives you directly??" The human mind as such is not capable to enliven truth of tomorrow in present. One has to go through this adventure himself. Please visit a true Sadhu and come to know it. Collecting information about Naam is not knowing it. Were you never curious to know why the true Gurus suggest to go to a Sadhu? Have your preachers any answer for it? Quote "And that the correct mantra to do jaap of is whatever the particular sadhu chooses??" All the reverend Gurus are singing also today about this Mantar. Please listen. My Gurdev is singing. ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮਾ ਉਚਰੁ ਮਨਾ ॥ स्री राम नामा उचरु मना ॥ Sarī rām nāmā ucẖar manā. SGGS Ang. 155 You know why it does not work with Manmukhs. It is because your preachers promised you God by reading it but Gurdev is confirming again ਕਬੀਰ ਰਾਮ ਕਹਨ ਮਹਿ ਭੇਦੁ ਹੈ . . . कबीर राम कहन महि भेदु है . . . 'Kabeer Raam kahan mahi bhedu hai ...' (sggs p 1374). Gurdev never said that 'Raam paRan mahi bhedu hai . . .' Preacher, the narakee pashu but goes on humiliating you by finding mistakes in your reading. Whereas he has invented many rules for reading it, which Gurus never talked about. Balbir Singh

Ragmaala Jee, are you the same Radmaala who wrote in the previous post "I do not think it is wise for you make commentaries on others." And you are commenting now that I cannot become a kathaa Vaachak because my voice sucks. Are you little worried about your business? I just realized that you have edited your post. Why? Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and Ragmaala Jee! These posts are not for preachers and their family clans. They are playing the pied piper who has lost his flute. A rare seeker is enough to receive the Gur and act on it. A crowd has never learnt it. ***** Satgyan-pujari Jee, Is this respect to the true Guru? 1. Stealing Gurmantar from somebody else discarding all suggestions from the reverend Guru. 2. Tossing away from the only Hari Naam Amrit from all the Gurus. 3. Ignoring Guru's learning and worshiping history of family tribes. 4. Dramatizing own actions and feeling responsible for distributing degrees of Mahaapurush and Brahmgyanee. 5. Preferring and joining a Samprada discounting true Guru's Learning. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and Satgyan-pujari Jee! It is all about ignorance of sick preachers. You are one of the results among many. It is not about disregarding anyone. Ignorant cannot hide behind the crowd longer. In all your posts you were not able to quote one Vaak from Gurdev that could support your view. It is pity on you. On only one point I agree with you. That is "6. You hold all the above to be teaching from sources other than the Guru Granth Sahib ji, and disregard historical valid sikh texts." Your paakhandee preachers may go on printing more books and new ways to mislead the folk but they will not be able to answer any of the questions from the coming generations. The learning (Sikh) text is Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee, not the writings from your preachers. You wrote "Please follow your Sadhu by all means, and let Sikhs follow Living Guru Maharaj Shabad Swaroop, Guru Granth Sahib Ji and the physical emdodiment the Guru Panth 5 Pyare ." True Sikhs are and will also follow The true Gur Sabad in the future. Many others will do dhandha on true Gurus Names. Strange. Mislead people like you do not even know that living with the Sabad Guru is Truth. Sabad Guru does not have a physical embodiment. But how will you perform all your rituals without the physical embodiment. Hence your dramas and entanglements will continue. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and Satgyan-pujari Jee! You wrote "You obviously express your total disregard for valid historical facts, accepted by majority of Sikhs and institutions such as Damdami Taksal, Budha Dal, Sgpc, Nirmala amongst many regarding Bhai Gurdas ji." The Sabad Guru's wisdom is for everybody, not only for some leaders of the profit makers. God's Truth is not revealed because one is belonging to a bigger crowd. Pity is on the individual who follows others than his Guru. It is not disregard to anyone. Perhaps you or your preachers can answer this. Bhai Gurdaas Jee never got married and never lived as a grahast. He but confirms this in the last line of his kabit 376. ਸਕਲ ਧਰਮ ਮੈ ਗ੍ਰਿਹਸਤੁ ਪ੍ਰਧਾਨ ਹੈ || सकल धरम मै ग्रिहसतु प्रधान है ॥ sakal dharam mai grihasatu pradhaan hai. In all religion grihastu is on the top. On the contrary my Guru, Guru Naanak Dev Jee is singing. Please listen. ਸਾਹਾ ਸੰਜੋਗੁ ਵੀਆਹੁ ਵਿਜੋਗੁ || साहा संजोगु वीआहु विजोगु ॥ Saahaa sanjogu veeaahu vijogu. Saahaa is the union. Marriage is the separation. Sri Guru Granth Saahib Ji, Ang 152 Gurdev got married and expressed his experience clearly. ***** Quote "I believe the onus is on you to supply evidence to support your personal views, as you claim to rewrite history, and accuse the above mentioned gyanis as doing 'dhanda'." Every activity of your preachers is a dhandha. Please ponder. The Guru is singing Truth. Hari ke Naam binaa jagu dhandhaa (p 358). Have you ever heard a paapee preacher doing Jap of 'Hari' in a tune with the reverend Guru? Misleading is their dhandhaa. They entice people singing 'Vaahiguru' which the true Gurus never suggested. ***** Quote "Following Guru Mahraj IS following Gur Shabad.As Mahraj says "Bani Guru Guru hai Bani". Brahmgyani helps in explaing the profound and beautifull Shabad." Preachers should not try to make fools of others. BaaNee is speech. It comes from the mouth of the Guroo. BaaNee is not the printed paper from a press machine. ***** Quote "Please answer the question asked regarding YOUR views regarding Khande Bhatte Da Amrit directly!" I have not found one instance where my Gurus have suggested this ceremony. Please inform all where Gurdev has used these words even. I will be grateful. May I ask? Do your preachers know 'Hari Naam Amrit' that all true Gurus are singing today also? ***** Quote "You asked for ONE Example,was done so your argument collapses." Please do not try to run away from facts. Should I give examples for you? These are in millions. ***** Quote "Who exactley reveals this secret mantar This Prasaad is the Sadhu you follow?" This Prasaad of the wisdom is received through the same Sadhu as suggested by the reverend Gurus. Please listen. My true Guru is singing. ਸਚੈ ਸਬਦਿ ਸਚੀ ਪਤਿ ਹੋਈ ॥ सचै सबदि सची पति होई ॥ Sacẖai sabaḏ sacẖī paṯ ho▫ī. Through the True Sabad, true honor is obtained. ਬਿਨੁ ਨਾਵੈ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਨ ਪਾਵੈ ਕੋਈ ॥ बिनु नावै मुकति न पावै कोई ॥ Bin nāvai mukaṯ na pāvai ko▫ī. Without the Name, no one attains liberation. ਬਿਨੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕੋ ਨਾਉ ਨ ਪਾਏ ਪ੍ਰਭਿ ਐਸੀ ਬਣਤ ਬਣਾਈ ਹੇ ॥੯॥ बिनु सतिगुर को नाउ न पाए प्रभि ऐसी बणत बणाई हे ॥९॥ Bin saṯgur ko nā▫o na pā▫e parabẖ aisī baṇaṯ baṇā▫ī he. ||9|| Without the True Gur, no one finds the Name. Such is the making which God has made. ||9|| SGGS Ang. 1046 I do not know why your preachers seem to be in heavy jail and you also with your arguments. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and Satgyan-pujari Jee! You wrote "Bhai Gurdas ji was a respected Gursikh and Brahmgyani, his invaluable commentary on sikhi siddant has been mentioned as a key to understanding the Gurus Marg.There is no difficulty in saying you follow Guru Mahraj with the help of Brahmgyani Gursikhs." Firstly preachers deviated the seekers away from the reverend Gurus by injecting the teachings of Bhai Gurdaas Jee. Then the way was made clear for other writers and preachers to do dhandhaa (business) with the religion. The Gurus could add Bhai Gurdaas Jee's poems in Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee. But they did not do so. The reason is simple. Vaars and Kabit of Bhai Gurdaas Jee have many different views from the true Gurus. All that the reverend Gurus say about a Brahmgyaanee is in the present tense. Interesting. You wrote "Bhai Gurdas ji was a respected Gursikh and Brahmgyani," and made him a history. Quote " . . . his invaluable commentary on sikhi siddant has been mentioned as a key to understanding the Gurus Marg." No Guru and even Bhai Gurdaas Jee called his writings the key of the Guru. Yes, the writer of this view got his key successfully introduced among worldly Sikhs. Quote "There is no difficulty in saying you follow Guru Mahraj with the help of Brahmgyani Gursikhs." Please correct it. There is no difficulty in saying you follow Guru Mahraj with the help of Gur Sabad. Meeting and recognizing of Brahmgyaanee Gur Sikhs takes place after the wisdom of Gur Sabad is transferred. Quote "Funny i didn't know Khande Bhatte Da Amrit was an imaginary event.What do you mean? Doing Naam Jaaap simran." Gurus do not read a book and imagine it is Naam Jaap Simran. Please name any other activity also. Quote "Then please enlighten us and tell us YOUR view." All is Truth exactly as Gurus are singing today also. Many others have views. Quote "So you are denying all historical sources such as Bhai Gurdas ji Vaaran, rehit nama and orally tansmitted sources. Please enlighten us with your manatar or is it a secretive gupt one denying the masses, for only priveleged mortals?" Please come to know the true Sabad Guru. All fake Gurus will vanish. Yes, it is a secret till one receives the Prasaad of this Wisdom. Quote "Sorry are you saying that Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Mahraj is 'another book'?" Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee is a book for those who read Him but do not get anything. The result is they start reading other books and get lost completely. Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee is the Guru for those who listen once and follow Him. Please ponder. My Gurdev is singing. ਨਾਰਾਇਣ ਕਹਤੇ ਨਰਕਿ ਨ ਜਾਹਿ ॥ नाराइण कहते नरकि न जाहि ॥ Nārā▫iṇ kahṯe narak na jāhi. SGGS Ang. 868 Have you ever heard a jooniaa preacher saying Naaraain tuned with the Guru? Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and Satgyan-pujari Jee! You wrote "As i opened my response to you with the Gurus Salutation, i shall leave to you to figure." This is exactly what sick preacher folk are doing. On the name of Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee they are practicing and following others. Is it so difficult to say that you are following Bhai Gurdaas Jee who is not the Guru of Sikhs? Quote "Secondly are you suggesting that somehow the Khande Bhatte Da Amrit blessed on Sikhs following the Guru ji's marg is false?" Get awakened and please come out of your imaginary world. With God's Will and Grace preachers are giving training of mere rituals. Please write one activity they are doing as a Sikh and let all know where the reverend Gurus have mentioned it. I will be grateful. Quote "Since you started the thread introducing the role of the sadhu, i was hoping you would be answering the questions?" This is what all my Gurus are saying including Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee that also a thousand of times. Quote "Why would one follow someone else if one has found the True Guru?" Then please hold your Guru you are following and stage your dramas around his name, not around my Guru Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee. Quote "Dont get what you are saying here, i already quoted the vaar of Bhai Gurdas Ji, other vaars also reveal the same truth,please study." No true Guru ever said that Vaahiguru is the Gurmantar. And you call it revealing the same truth. Quote "Have you any proof that what history and Sikhs hold as truth, you are questioning?" Better talk about what the reverend Gurus hold as Truth, not the crowd. Quote "Again what riddle are you setting here, please answer the question if you have discovered a different understanding." I found all your preachers pleading against the true Gurus. Reverend Gurus never say that the wisdom of Truth is revealed by reading about it. Some lost people, as deep-rooted habit, start seeking another book about the spiritual truth. Please listen. My Gurdev Guru Naanak Jee is singing. ਪੜਿਐ ਨਾਹੀ ਭੇਦੁ ਬੁਝਿਐ ਪਾਵਣਾ || पड़िऐ नाही भेदु बुझिऐ पावणा ॥ paRiai naahee bhedu bujhiai paavaNaa || Read not the secret resolved is receiving it. Sri Guru Granth Saahib Ji, Ang 148 ***** Only one thing may save the sick preachers. They should visit a Sadhu and become the Sadhu. Reading the Guru is one thing. Following the Guru is the next thing. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and Satgyan-pujari Jee! You wrote "I agree and this is what happens when with the Guru Mahraj graces us with the gift of Khande Bhatte da Amrit, and bestows us with Gurmantar. Do you agree or are you suggesting some other mantar?" My Guru is Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee. Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee is not suggesting the above ways. May I ask which Guru are you following? Quote "If the Sadhu, Brahmgyani does not explain or impart knowledge and blessings of the Guru Mahraj's lofty and gracious teachings, pray what exactly is his role?" Are you sure you have visited a Sadhu, Brahmgyani? Quote "Why should i visit a Sadhu to know of Gurmantar when Bhai Gurdas ji explains in vaar 13 pauri 2" All is God's Grace. One follows the True Guru or somebody else. Quote "Also when 5 pyare Guru roop Khalsa bless me with the same Gurmantar." Are you convinced this is the same Gurmantar the true Guroos gave? Surprise. The reverend Gurus asked Bhai Gurdaas Jee to reveal Gurmantar in his writings? Quote "Please kindly explain which gurmantar or sadhu you are referring to?" The reverend Guroos are today also singing the mystery, praise and importance of them. He is not revealed by reading. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and Satgyan-pujari Jee! Quote "Do you not accept that Hari Marag is told by Sri Guru Granthh Sahib Ji?" Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee is the Guru because Granth Saahib Jee informs us where and how to get Gurmantu. Quote "Does not the Sadhu explain in vistaar what the Guru Maharaj is conveying in His Most Gracious and Merciful Teachings of Gurbani?" The Sadhu recognizes the Grace of God ready to shower on the true Seeker. The true Sadhu is thankful being in God's Hands as His Tool. Also, he has nothing to talk what to say in vistaar. Quote "Please enlighten us and give us your perspective on what Gurmanter is?" Please visit a Sadhu and come to know it. Everything is said by the Gurus and written also confirming it in Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee. ***** This is a small tip. The true Sadhu does not need to change clothes to appear before you. He is always dipped in the red color. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and Sarbatdapala Jee! Did the reverend Gurus do Naam Simran of one kind and transferred that of a different kind to preachers? About your Simran you have written much. Have you anything to say about the true Naam Simran the Gurus give? Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all! Quote "I have found that some sikhs consider Gurus to be God. Is this the minority or mainstream sikh?" The reverend Gurus never claimed that they are God. This is the preacher in illusion who wants to convince others too. True Sikhs come to know Godly Truth. ***** Quote from Ragmaala Jee "Yes I believe in that. I can say that Nanaksar and Damdami Taksal believes that as well." Gurus come to know Godly Truth. Many others believe in it. Quote "Mahapurakhs give examples from Gurbani proving the same thing. One pankti that comes to mind is ' aap narayan kala dhar jag meh parwaryo nirankar akar jot jag mandal karyo'." This pankti is not saying that only Gurus of Sikhs got Narayan Jot. Quote "I think many people may still be ignorant about who Gurus truly are." This seems to be true. ***** The whole Jag Mandal is Nirankaar Jot. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and Xylitol Jee! Quote "how can you compare the method used by God to meditate on God with the method used by egoist people who are disconnected from Sat (meaning us, people still on teh path) to meditate on God?" Did the reverend Gurus found others to be lower or different? No, they found God in all and helped others to get the same vision. Touching the Paaras one becomes Paaras as the flame merges into other flame. Please open your ears, eyes and listen. Gurdev is singing. ਪਾਰਸਿ ਪਰਸਿਐ ਪਾਰਸੁ ਹੋਇ ਜੋਤੀ ਜੋਤਿ ਸਮਾਇ ॥ पारसि परसिऐ पारसु होइ जोती जोति समाइ ॥ Pāras parsi▫ai pāras ho▫e joṯī joṯ samā▫e. SGGS Ang. 27 Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and Xylitol Jee! You wrote "Naam is in Gurmantr, Mool Mantr, and all other Gurbani." Did the reverend Gurus ever write a mixed-up sentence like that? Strange, not any participant provided True Guru's one Vaak confirming that reading the Guru Granth Saahib is Naam japnaa. Why? Quote "So doing paath is Naam simran." Please provide a reference of the true Guru you are following. I will be thankful. Quote "However, from what a gyani once told, Gurmantr abhyaas is like flight, the goal is to be in flight as much as possible." Do you know what is Gurmantar? Please listen. My Guru is singing about Gurmantar. ਹਰਿ ਮਾਰਗੁ ਸਾਧੂ ਦਸਿਆ ਜਪੀਐ ਗੁਰਮੰਤੁ ॥ हरि मारगु साधू दसिआ जपीऐ गुरमंतु ॥ Har mārag sāḏẖū ḏasi▫ā japī▫ai gurmanṯ. SGGS Ang. 321 But preachers say that Hari Maarag is told by Granth Saahib Jee, therefore never visit a Saadhoo. Quote "However, I have also heard that many singhs have had ajaapa jaap of gurmantr begin through immense abhyaas of japji sahib or some other bani, which shows that both are Naam." Who told you that Japujee Saahib is the Gurmantar? ***** Most of today's Sikhs are the preacher's result, not that of the true Gurus. This is my observation. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all! How did the reverend Gurus do Naam Simran? Someone may please throw some light on this. I will be grateful. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and Ragmaala Jee! Surely one should read BaaNee. He should understand and act on it also. Therefore said Gurdev and gave it in writing too. Please read Truth again. Perhaps your mind comes to the right track. ਆਇਓ ਸੁਨਨ ਪੜਨ ਕਉ ਬਾਣੀ ॥ ਨਾਮੁ ਵਿਸਾਰਿ ਲਗਹਿ ਅਨ ਲਾਲਚਿ ਬਿਰਥਾ ਜਨਮੁ ਪਰਾਣੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ sggs ang 1219 Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear Ragmaala Jee! You wrote "for me reading Gurbani reminds me or helps me remember about Waheguru, so its a form of Naam Simran for me." Do some people forget Waheguru when they are not reading Gurbani? Did the reverend Gurus give many forms of Naam Simran and reading Gurbani is one of those? Did the true Gurus ever plead to read and called it Naam Simran? Many visited earth in a human life to read and hear the printed matter of what Gurus once uttered. They imagine they were doing Naam Simran. Strange, they have replaced the word Naam with Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee and are wasting this Janam also. Please ponder. My Guru is singing. ਆਇਓ ਸੁਨਨ ਪੜਨ ਕਉ ਬਾਣੀ ॥ आइओ सुनन पड़न कउ बाणी ॥ Ā▫i▫o sunan paṛan ka▫o baṇī. ਨਾਮੁ ਵਿਸਾਰਿ ਲਗਹਿ ਅਨ ਲਾਲਚਿ ਬਿਰਥਾ ਜਨਮੁ ਪਰਾਣੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ नामु विसारि लगहि अन लालचि बिरथा जनमु पराणी ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥ Nām visār lagėh an lālacẖ birthā janam parāṇī. ||1|| rahā▫o. ਸਮਝੁ ਅਚੇਤ ਚੇਤਿ ਮਨ ਮੇਰੇ ਕਥੀ ਸੰਤਨ ਅਕਥ ਕਹਾਣੀ ॥ समझु अचेत चेति मन मेरे कथी संतन अकथ कहाणी ॥ Samajẖ acẖeṯ cẖeṯ man mere kathī sanṯan akath kahāṇī. ਲਾਭੁ ਲੈਹੁ ਹਰਿ ਰਿਦੈ ਅਰਾਧਹੁ ਛੁਟਕੈ ਆਵਣ ਜਾਣੀ ॥੧॥ लाभु लैहु हरि रिदै अराधहु छुटकै आवण जाणी ॥१॥ Lābẖ laihu har riḏai ārāḏẖahu cẖẖutkai āvaṇ jāṇī. ||1|| SGGS Ang. 1219 Quote "In Gurbani itself, you get to say many Names of God, so thats a naam japna itself." This is your Karma result. Go on imagining while reading. ਉਦਮੁ ਸਕਤਿ ਸਿਆਣਪ ਤੁਮ੍ਹ੍ਹਰੀ ਦੇਹਿ ਤ ਨਾਮੁ ਵਖਾਣੀ ॥ उदमु सकति सिआणप तुम्हरी देहि त नामु वखाणी ॥ Uḏam sakaṯ si▫āṇap ṯumĥrī ḏėh ṯa nām vakẖāṇī. ਸੇਈ ਭਗਤ ਭਗਤਿ ਸੇ ਲਾਗੇ ਨਾਨਕ ਜੋ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਭਾਣੀ ॥੨॥੫੬॥੭੯॥ सेई भगत भगति से लागे नानक जो प्रभ भाणी ॥२॥५६॥७९॥ Balbir Singh

Ragmaala Jee, you read Paath imagining you are doing Jap of Naam. May I ask why do you add a slash (/) with Naam? Is this your research? Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear Sarbatdapala Jee! I am convinced. You have reached somewhere. A normal person cannot experience such things. You can now start your carrier of a preacher. Ragmaala Jee! Have you ever done Jap of these wonderful Vaaks from Gurdev? ਹਠੁ ਅਹੰਕਾਰੁ ਕਰੈ ਨਹੀ ਪਾਵੈ || हठु अहंकारु करै नही पावै ॥ haThu ahankaaru karai nahee paavai || Persistency ego acts, does not receive. ਪਾਠ ਪੜੈ ਲੇ ਲੋਕ ਸੁਣਾਵੇ || पाठ पड़ै ले लोक सुणावे ॥ paaTh paRai le lok suNaave || Reads Paath. That recites for people. ਤੀਰਥਿ ਭਰਮਸਿ ਬਿਆਧਿ ਨ ਜਾਵੈ || तीरथि भरमसि बिआधि न जावै ॥ teerathi bharamasi biaadhi na jaavai || Through pilgrimages wanders. Problems do not go. ਨਾਮ ਬਿਨਾ ਕੈਸੇ ਸੁਖੁ ਪਾਵੈ ||੪|| नाम बिना कैसे सुखु पावै ॥४॥ naam binaa kaise sukhu paavai ||4|| Without Naam how to receive, comfort. Sri Guru Granth Saahib Ji, Ang 905 Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and Ragmaala Jee! You wrote "Gurbani teaches to sing and read Gurbani." I did not know that Gurbani is a school for music and language. Quote "I am sure you have read anand sahib." Please listen. My Guru is singing in Ananda. ਕਹੈ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਏਹੁ ਅਨੰਦੁ ਹੈ ਆਨੰਦੁ ਗੁਰ ਤੇ ਜਾਣਿਆ ॥੭॥ कहै नानकु एहु अनंदु है आनंदु गुर ते जाणिआ ॥७॥ Kahai Nānak ehu anand hai ānanḏ gur ṯe jāṇi▫ā. ||7|| SGGS Ang. 917-18 Ragmaala Jee, are you sure that Gur is learning to read? Quote "I believe the friction of the shabad and various physiological processes in body will lead him to experience something." Believing is not knowing something. Come to experience it. Quote "You have to understand that Gurbani in whole 1430 pages has a "satta" to it. It comes from DHUR, the root, whereas as a normal word like water is a man made language, it doesnt have the satta like Gurbani..." May I ask? When you read Gurbani, does it come from your Dhur or from Gurujee's Dhur? Quote "when we think tooo much we tend to confuse even the simplest concepts..." You are right. Preachers get confused when we think a little bit. ***** I hope you do not mind it if someone starts seeking the Gur of true Naam Simran. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and Pheena Jee! Thanks for your input. One should come to know Simran. Only then his existence knows it. A preacher wants you to believe in it. He does not know how one may experience it. Balbir Singh

Gathering information about Yug is not enough. Experiencing those is worth. It is possible on the path of the spiritual growth. Through Naam Simran it becomes easiest.

Bhai Gurdaas Jee may not be talking about you in this poem. He may be talking about his experience.