Singing_Silence (Kaur)

Umm dont leave, cos its too normal, stick around and cause lots of fights. BTW, can I change my username? I'm bored.

Well some fool came up to me (probably from taliban.org) and requested for some saroops of some Mahapurush to be taken down where they were going to do Kirtan as they were 'distracting'. I was stunned so I acted like a dazed zombie (perfected technique), and another one came up to me and started slagging off all Sants, because of the title apparently it automatically made them all perverts, it was quite pathetic but made me laugh. I guess this is why some people seem like heretics and fanatical maniacs who wish to have everything in their comfortable little boxes, black and white, no regard for the obvious shades of grey. As Neo once told me, one of his friends is a Monaa but has more Sharda than these so called Sarbloh Bibeki taliban members, so let's stop being so...sigh.

lol, dude cant ever argue with pudhs.

Why not? what's it to you?

She's a maniac, what else do you expect on taliban.org?

Sukhi yaar (lol), you hit the er..mekh on the ser, Singh Ji, thing is that the Jyot of any enlightened Prophet or Guru is the same, this is the way I see it. As the Truth is one, every message is essentially the same, it's just the ways in which it's revealed which are different, and these ways and techniques change with time and changing attitudes of seekers, therefore the Guru's had to change the techniques in which Truth was imparted or as Sukhi said, strengthened as in the case of Guru Gobind Singh Ji, that's all. You know sometimes I think of all the Guru's as ONE GURU with different attitudes and clothes and personalities to keep us interested, so the variety and diversity of even our Guru is so distinct and beautiful, which other religion has 10 Guru's one after the other with the essential same message? with no contradictions and no disputes? It just proves that they had the same thing in them huna? Also, have you noticed that the Bani of any Guru in the Guru Granth Sahib finishes with the name of 'Guru Nanak' at the end, just signifies the unity or oneness of the message I think, GanM man I feel your pain went thru a whole box of kleenex after that post too

Well maybe these 'distinct' qualities which were expressed were a product of the progression of Sikhi and the changing times.

oops, accidentally posted twice, maafi maafi...

Gur Parmesar Eko Jaan...doesn't this mean God and Guru are the same, bit different from the question he asked tho innit? OR.....not? Just er sayin.. Man, whenever my 'sweeto penj' and you kno who u are inspires me by sayin 'Guru Ji ang sang' it kinda covers all the Guru's you know? Whenever I think of Guru Ji, I think of all of em, no difference..

Hari...whoa..just when I thought I had it figured.

I dont think you should generalise Veer Ji, wearing white clothes doesnt automatically make you a pervert. I actually like my white suit, and even though your post made me laugh, I thought I'd er...post too, ok Im gone.

Thankyou Kam, very informative.

Im sorry about going off on a tangent, and I promise this is my last post, but is it true that there's a new halaal pizza out in sainsbury's? Need to kno cos don't wanna accidentally add it to my er..trolley. Many thanks.

I think it's commendable that women and children are being taught self-defence, and this has nothing to do with whether you go KFC or not, so once again..chill dudes.

lol@Mehtab Singh Veer Ji.

Anyone who searches for the Truth is a Sikh, The End.

Congratulations bro, you're the bestest!

Welcome Levi, nice name.

You hit the nail on the head there mate.

GurFateh Penji, Your post was really interesting. I'd luv to know if anyone has information about this incident, don't think it's well known, it should be because the bravery of Singhani's should be related to our sisters to help them understand Sikhi better. So get posting you lot! . Fateh Ji

Actually the verse 'La illaha ill-Allaah' is both an affirmation and negation. The Muslim who says this sincerely affirms there is no God but Allaah, and at the same time denying another God other than Him, and this is the only name accepted of Him, as Tawheed has three categories, the second one says the following: The second aspect of Tawheed al-Asmaa was-Sifaat involves referring to Allaah as He has referred to Himself without giving Him any new names or attributes. For example, Allaah may not be given the name al-Ghaadib (the Angry one), in spite of the fact that He has said that He gets angry, because neither Allaah nor His messenger has used this name. This may seem to be a very fine point, but it must be maintained in order to prevent the false description of God. That is, finite man is in no position to define the infinite Lord of creation. Therefore, unless you use the word Allaah for God as the Messenger used, it will not be accepted. Furthermore, to accept Tawheed fully, you must affirm the validity of Mohammad being His messenger, without this you can't be Muslim. Prophet Mohammad also says: The Prophet (S.A.W.) said: "Whoever says La ilaha illa-Allaah sincerely will enter Paradise". ( Reported by Bazzar and declared authentic by Albani in Sahih Al-Jami ). This shows that all Muslims who affirm this at some time WILL enter Paradise sooner or later. Whereas all those who believe in the same God, but using a different name to worship Him (no matter how intense and genuine their devotion) will be thrown into Jahanum (Hell) for eternity. Sikhi is so rich, that it accepts even their beliefs, but the true essence of Islaam has sadly been lost. Fateh

It doesnt matter if its natural or not. The point Im making is that its not necessary to have a certain amount of hair, or hair in some areas and not in the others to do any Bhagti. I dont think the original verse in question was even related to this topic.

accidentally posted for no reason, now I cant delete it!

I agree with Beast. I think the fact that Guru Ji or the Bhagats say they meditate with each and every pore only signifies the intensity of their Bhagti, it doesnt necessary mean that its a Hukam for all to keep hair. If someone lost their hair through disease, and some do from every part of their bodies (ie cancer), their Bhagti doesnt become less right? I think its important not to make the mistake of taking verses out of context.

Got this in email from Mehtab Veer Ji, wanted to put it up here! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Press Release Dated 12th July 2004 AN INVITATION TO SIKHS AND HINDUS TO EMBRACE THE TRUTH RALLY FOR ISLAM (IX) IN TRAFALGAR SQUARE - SUNDAY JULY 25TH – 1PM – 6PM – ALL WELCOME… Hundreds of Muslims from across the UK are set to converge in London’s Trafalgar Square on the 25th of July for the Annual Rally for Islam. This year will be the 9th anniversary of the rally and promises to be the best yet. The British public will once again witness many non-Muslims: previously Jews, Christians, Hindus & Sikhs (idol worshippers), Atheists, Socialists etc giving up their false beliefs and ideologies in order to embrace the divine way of life which Islam offers to them openly and publicly. Debates and Discussions on the inimitability of the Qur’an and the finality of the Message (of Islam) from God through the Messenger Muhammad (saw) will be held, with an invitation for all present to either refute Islam or accept its superiority. The speakers will also set out to present Islam as the only real future for Britain and indeed the World in terms of maintaining Honesty, Home-land Security, Morality, Mental well being, Family protection, continued scientific and material progress, psychological health as well as providing a comprehensive code for humanity to live their life by. The Square will also host a number of Marquees presenting various aspects of Islam such as its unique economic system able to solve the problems of inflation, the hoarding of wealth and the fair distribution of resources - Islam’s unique social system which eradicates the exploitation of the sexes and eliminates promiscuity, pornography and <admin-profanity filter activated> deviancy and Islam’s ruling system based upon the concept of sovereignty for God alone, where man is not a dictator (like Bush or Blair) but rather God’s trustee on Earth managing mankind’s affairs according to God’s infallible law...etc... Here is a message to all the Sikhs and Hindus; put your pride to one side and accept the Truth. Yes, Islam, the religion that you detest the most is really the only religion that will help you when you leave this life. To the Hindu’s; forget the caste system and all the fuss about reincarnation and accept the fact that everybody is equal in the eyes of God and all will be accounted on the Day of Judgement. As for the Sikhs, acknowledge, that as a man-made system your belief is really just a hotpot of different religions and opinions “jumbled togetherâ€. The fierce disagreements between Muslims and Hindu’s have been going since the advent of Islam. Historically, the effect of Islam in the Indian sub-continent region was instant. Its emphasis on One God corrected many of the social issues and “mystical†beliefs associated with Hinduism at the time. The caste system was seen in its true nature; a racist structure geared to preserve the rich over the poor. Islam offered those at the bottom of the organization a way of being equal and simultaneously having a belief system that fitted naturally with the human self. The Hindu tradition of worshipping idols was (and still is) seen as a major act of ignorance, as creation can never worship creation, particularly when there is a Creator who has designed and established everything from apples to zebras. Also, the heavy emphasis on superstition places the individual under much stress in his daily life. Islam in comparison has no place for false notions as everything is under the control of Almighty God therefore dismissing any talk of good or bad luck. As mentioned, Islam corrected the numerous inadequacies Hinduism imposed on society; thus impressing on intellectuals such as Guru Nanak (the founder of Sikhism) that the religion of Muhammad (saw) was in fact the truth. However, Nanak could not accept Islam in its entirety so chose just the key features that favoured him and the people. However, because Sikhism is man-made it has many weaknesses, all Sikhs must ponder the following: Firstly, the religion lacks depth and is easily brainwashed by more dominant systems. Hinduism still has a great influence on the Sikhs as the caste system highlight – the idea that everyone is equal in the eyes of God is rarely practised by the Sikhs, as inter-caste marriage is still a taboo subject. Secondly, Nanak made no claims to divinity or to kinship with God and did not want to be worshipped as a kind of prophet (K.Singh, 1953). But, today many Sikhs do this by hanging a picture of Nanak and directing their prayers towards it. Thirdly, unlike Islam where the doctrine has stood firm for over 1400 years, Sikhism has evolved; taking in new directions with every new Guru. Key elements of the religion have been dramatically altered such as the treatment of the dead; in Nanak’s time they were buried whereas today they are cremated. Surely, these facts that are just a scratch on the surface emphasise the lack of Divinity found in this belief. Islam offers the individual and society peace, happiness and security as everybody acknowledges his and her Creator, Allah (swt). All the problems that man faces are not sorted out via various mystical ritual acts but through having Trust in Allah (swt). Islam is the religion for the whole of Mankind, whether somebody comes from Africa, Asia or Europe. Furthermore, the love of money, which is so rife in both Hinduism and Sikhism, forcing some people to be treated or considered insignificant because they do not have the latest BMW or Mercedes, is considered unimportant in Islam. The good deeds of an individual in this life and worthwhile actions that are not motivated by economic reasons will help the Believer to attain blissful happiness in Paradise. The Seal of Messengers, Prophet Mohammad (saw) said that at the lowest level of Paradise each person will have up to 10,000 servants! Another saying of the Holy Prophet (saw) was in relation to the love of this life to the Hereafter. He said (saw) the material life of this world is like a drop of water whereas all the delights in the next life are equivalent to the Ocean. So, the message to any Sikh and Hindu is do your research and ask yourself "are you Sikh or Hindu because you really want to be or is it because your parents are". Remember, on the Day of Judgment, no religion will be accepted from Allah except Islam. Come to Trafalgar Square on the 25th July 2004 and give up your false beliefs and accept the perfect and embrace Deen of Al-Islam. “And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.†[EMQ 3:85] Al-Muhajiroun The Voice, The Eyes & The Ears of Muslims P.O. 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