Sikhilove

9 hours ago, Samarbir Singh said:

So I don’t like studying the stuff I learn in school though I do like learning (Sikh history, history, guru’s history) but not the learning at school so I do enough to get by and I cheat but I ask guruji to forgive as I want to give myself fully to waheguru ji and school is a worldly thing so I do it because it is my job. Is this Right or Wrong?

Don’t cheat, just study harder. Live life with integrity. 
 

You don’t yet understand what school is and how detrimental it is to your adult life. I didn’t take school seriously. As a woman, I was brought up to think I would get married and that would be that, and school and university were not important. I ended up being physically abused, forced to leave home and fend for myself. I struggled so much with money and came across many who.saw me in a vulnerable state with not much money and were also abusive (because I was vulnerable). If I had only taken school seriously and finished my degree, things would have been millions of times easier for me, literally. How seriously you take school and work seriously, and how much money you make later on will decide what kind of life you will live. Also more money= more dasvandh. 

I believed in God a lot when I was at school and thought it was worldly too, but even Guru Nanak worked and had a family that he provided for. Take your work seriously, school and work are seva, opportunities given to you by God. Make the most of them, get the highest grades you can, make the most of your opportunity and blessings that millions in third world countries do not get. Take it from someone who messed it up early on, it’s super important. 

39 minutes ago, SunnySingh said:

As I said, I refuse to play your absurd game from now on, as you are continuing  with your closed and confused  mindset, so whatever and however I may try to reason with you,  it is useless.

I leave you to your own destiny/karam, don't want to waste time on paranoid theories which are nothing, but total aberrations, like for example to say: houses, sun, moon, demons, are god....

Games.. All I’m saying is that God is All and we are nothing. There are no games, I spoke the Truth. How do you think the Gurus were able to see the worst type of human beings possible (demons in human form) with love. There is Nothing. We are Nothing, we have Nothing. There’s only God. It can’t get much simpler, but most humans like to live in complication. It’s beyond worldly logic and ego. It’s discovered through Love.

On 2/6/2021 at 7:05 PM, SunnySingh said:

 

We are Nothing, yet we are the drop in the ocean, made from the same stuff as the ocean.

* You are mixing up things because of  lack of clarity, and you keep on hopping whenever some of your wordings are placed before you as inconsistent, and you then do tend to go in a different direction with other arguments, instead of  first clearing  the first errors.  

In this way, you can never ever reach any shore, and I refuse to play or enter into such a absurd game, where I humbly try to come near as much as possible to Gurbani in a constructive manner. 

Firstly you say we are god, as also the demon and the angels are god,  and all the insentient materialistic things  also are god,  just as houses, moon, sun, things are god, and are equal to god, then you say we are a drop in the ocean, then you jump to bring the term love into scene ..... just too much

Can you see how many contradictions are there in your statements ? 

You are mixing and equating material and insentient  things, with an Entity which is the most subtle and only spiritual. So that is an absolute aberration from your side.

 

There is no you or me, only One. It must be experienced and is beyond worldly logic. We live in Nirboah and Nirvair, for its All Him.

Is that ego?

*Yes it is ego,  because it is a wrong statement, and because you are equaiting Him, the One who is the highest consciousness to the gross and insentient things, you are equating Him to the demon, to the lifeless moon and sun, houses and so on .... 

Nowhere Gurbani says such nonsense, thus it is a twisting to justify your ego only, in which you have locked up tightly yourself and you refuse to see what the reality is about true spirituality as per Gurbani.  That is your problem.

I have met so many people, of different cultures, nationalities, believers, atheists, but none say such aberrations of equating Him to the gross and insentient things/objects, or even equate Him to negative and lower or higher  energies, for He above all that paraphernalia and variety which is His creation, while He is the sole Creator.

 

The demon is a demon due to ignorance of its true nature and not practicing Truth.

*Wrong, the demon is a demon in nature due to its past karmas/sanskaras.  

And your comments about the demon not practicing the truth, or be it anybody, it is not a matter of ignorance , it is only a matter of grace from Him as seen clearly in he following verse of Sree Guru Amar Das Maharaj :

ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਈਐ ਜਿਸ ਨਉ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਕਰੇ ਰਜਾਇ ॥੩॥

Har Har Naam Dhhiaaeeai Jis No Kirapaa Karae Rajaae ||3||

By His Will He grants His Grace; those who are so blessed, meditate on the Name of the Lord, Har, Har. 

 

 Even Sajjan Thug the serial killer became Guru Nanaks student, a bhagat, with the knowledge and application of Truth (gurbani).  
*So if Sajjan Thug became a student of Nanak, it means first of all he was not god, otherwise he would not be an evil person, and if he came to Guru Nanak´s shelter; it was more likely that he was pulled by Guru Nanak Himself, for He is omnipotent and  omniscient, thus if He wants to pull someone out, then not even Dharam Rai can stop that jeev atma, in going towards PARAMATMA Waheguru Akal Purukh.

 Please do not ever say Gurbani says all that baseless  statements you make as seen up to the date, do support your conclusions, interpretations, theories,  with Gurbani in the future, otherwise they have no value, because in these matters, you talk from your ego.

it is a pity, for you have love and devotion for Him as seen many a times, but unfortunately when describing Him and His creation, you are messed up and very much confused with contradictions as seen in your posts.

 

Would just like to conclude with some beautiful  verses of Guru Jee, where He tells  us what is Truth all about, and what is practicing that Truth:

 

ਨਾਨਕ ਆਏ ਸੇ ਪਰਵਾਣੁ ਹਹਿ ਜਿਨ ਗੁਰਮਤੀ ਹਰਿ ਧਿਆਇ ॥੪॥੫॥੩੮॥

Naanak Aaeae Sae Paravaan Hehi Jin Guramathee Har Dhhiaae ||4||5||38||

O Nanak, blessed is the coming of those who follow the Guru's Teachings and meditate on the Lord.

 

ਹਰਿ ਭਗਤਾ ਹਰਿ ਧਨੁ ਰਾਸਿ ਹੈ ਗੁਰ ਪੂਛਿ ਕਰਹਿ ਵਾਪਾਰੁ ॥

Har Bhagathaa Har Dhhan Raas Hai Gur Pooshh Karehi Vaapaar ||

The devotees of the Lord have the Wealth and Capital of the Lord; with Guru's Advice, they carry on their trade.

 

ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਸਲਾਹਨਿ ਸਦਾ ਸਦਾ ਵਖਰੁ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਅਧਾਰੁ ॥

Har Naam Salaahan Sadhaa Sadhaa Vakhar Har Naam Adhhaar ||

They praise the Name of the Lord forever and ever. The Name of the Lord is their Merchandise and Support.

 

ਗੁਰਿ ਪੂਰੈ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਦ੍ਰਿੜਾਇਆ ਹਰਿ ਭਗਤਾ ਅਤੁਟੁ ਭੰਡਾਰੁ ॥੧॥

Gur Poorai Har Naam Dhrirraaeiaa Har Bhagathaa Athutt Bhanddaar ||1||

The Perfect Guru has implanted the Name of the Lord into the Lord's devotees; it is an Inexhaustible Treasure. 

 

ਕਰਮਿ ਮਿਲੈ ਤਾ ਪਾਈਐ ਵਿਣੁ ਕਰਮੈ ਪਾਇਆ ਨ ਜਾਇ ॥

Karam Milai Thaa Paaeeai Vin Karamai Paaeiaa N Jaae ||

Those who receive His Grace find Him. Without His Grace, He cannot be found.

 

At other place He goes a step further and says something which puts down your theory where you not only equate all living beings to Him, but also the gross or subtle and insentient creations: 

 

ਲਖ ਚਉਰਾਸੀਹ ਤਰਸਦੇ ਜਿਸੁ ਮੇਲੇ ਸੋ ਮਿਲੈ ਹਰਿ ਆਇ ॥

Lakh Chouraaseeh Tharasadhae Jis Maelae So Milai Har Aae ||

The 8.4 million species of beings all yearn for the Lord. Those whom He unites, come to be united with the Lord.

* From this we understand clearly that all the jeevas in the 8.4 million are lost in His creation, and then, only those whom He showers with His grace, find Him and become one with Him, thus until then, nobody is god.

Nowhere Guru Jee says that the moon, the sun or houses or alike merge in Him, for they are made out of the 5 perishable tattwas.

Sat Sree Akal.

 

P.S : Can you see how Gurbani differs totally with your misundertandings or own made theories?

 

You can’t force anyone to agree with you, which I don’t. Everyone’s God, we just are ignorant and arrogant to humble ourselves as nothing and accept it’s all Him. Thinking you are beyond Him is ego. If He weren’t you, you wouldn’t be able to move, breathe etc. Your desire to be right has clouded your judgement. You think Him to be far away when He Is You. It isn’t ego to think He’s you, it’s ego to think He’s not and you miraculously move around and were born by your own grace.

3 hours ago, SunnySingh said:

Sikhilove Jee,

nobody is denying that He is the powerhouse of everything, be it in the islam, in the hinduism, in christianism, in buddhism, and in sikhism of course with more and explict emphasis.

Please clear your position which denotes more confussion/contradictions than anything,

For at one place you say : we are Nothing,

at other place you say : I’m just a fool, an idiot, a sinner, a fool. I’m the lowest, I know nothing,

and at some other place you wrote: He is Sun, moon, houses, demon, angel, dukh sukh.....

So logically, if we take your words above as seen in the upper line, according to your words, He is equal to a sinner, to nothing, to the lowest, to an idiot ... and so on, because you say we are Him....

When the truth is He has none of  all that negative  descriptions/attributes  as seen above in your different statements..

Can you see the amount of contradictions you have incurred into?

No humans  say that He is not the ultimate Truth, it is only that some humans say they are equal to god and thus are god, and not only that, but go the extent of equating insentient and unconsciouss things to the Highest Soul consciousness, which is just an total aberration .

In case you have not gone through the Shabad above, where Guru Jee describes our true limited nature with the most Highest and Absolute Truth, here it goes again, and hope you take good note of it: 

 

soriT mhlw 5(613-10)
sorath mehlaa 5
Sorat'h, Fifth Mehl

hm mYly qum aUjl krqy hm inrgun qU dwqw ]
ham mailay tum oojal kartay ham nirgun too daataa.
We are filthy, and You are immaculate, O Creator Lord; we are worthless, and You are the Great Giver.

hm mUrK qum cqur isAwxy qU srb klw kw igAwqw ]1]
ham moorakh tum chatur si-aanay too sarab kalaa kaa gi-aataa. ||1||
We are fools, and You are wise and all-knowing. You are the knower of all things. ||1||

mwDo hm AYsy qU AYsw ]
maaDho ham aisay too aisaa.
O Lord, this is what we are, and this is what You are.

hm pwpI qum pwp KMfn nIko Twkur dysw ] rhwau ]
ham paapee tum paap khandan neeko thaakur daysaa. rahaa-o.
We are sinners, and You are the Destroyer of sins. Your abode is so beautiful, O Lord and Master. ||Pause||

qum sB swjy swij invwjy jIau ipMfu dy pRwnw ]
tum sabh saajay saaj nivaajay jee-o pind day paraanaa.
You fashion all, and having fashioned them, You bless them. You bestow upon them soul, body and the breath of life.

inrgunIAwry gunu nhI koeI qum dwnu dyhu imhrvwnw ]2]
nirgunee-aaray gun nahee ko-ee tum daan dayh miharvaanaa. ||2||
We are worthless - we have no virtue at all; please, bless us with Your gift, O Merciful Lordand Master. ||2||

qum krhu Blw hm Blo n jwnh qum sdw sdw dieAwlw ]
tum karahu bhalaa ham bhalo na jaanah tum sadaa sadaa da-i-aalaa.
You do good for us, but we do not see it as good; You are kind and compassionate, forever and ever.

qum suKdweI purK ibDwqy qum rwKhu Apuny bwlw ]3]
tum sukh-daa-ee purakh biDhaatay tum raakho apunay baalaa. ||3||
You are the Giver of peace, the Primal Lord, the Architect of Destiny; please, save us, Your children! ||3||

qum inDwn Atl suilqwn jIA jMq siB jwcY ]
tum niDhaan atal sulitaan jee-a jant sabh jaachai.
You are the treasure, eternal Lord King; all beings and creatures beg of You.

khu nwnk hm iehY hvwlw rwKu sMqn kY pwCY ]4]6]17]
kaho naanak ham ihai havaalaa raakh santan kai paachhai. ||4||6||17||
Says Nanak, such is our condition; please, Lord, keep us on the Path of the Saints. ||4||6||17||

 

*As seen above, this is the true wadeeayee of my Sachay Paatshah Waheguru Akal Purukh in the paviter words of Guru Jee, where only He is important, the rest of us are all paapee and moorakhs.

Anything else which does not match this idea of us and Him per Bani, is an attitude problem, of strong ahankar, of agyanta, thus not to be taken into account by anyone, no matter even if repeated many times, for it is totally against Sikhee.

 

The Gurus gave us Gurbani to realise what they did. God blessed us with the 14 Realms to realise what He has. There is no contradiction and there Is No Logic in True Love.

We are Nothing, yet we are the drop in the ocean, made from the same stuff as the ocean. I’m not getting gurbani twisted. You haven’t read gurbani properly. It says He is the angel, He is the demon, He is the Good, the Bad, the Light and the Dark, dressed up in different costumes. sometimes he sits as a king, sometimes a beggar, sometimes a good being, sometimes a bad being. What you fail to realise is that it’s all an illusion, a khel, your body, my body, all of it. Everything with an image or form, is a projection of Him/ Sat. In Truth, there is no image, no form, no shape, no colour. 
 

There is no you or me, only One. It must be experienced and is beyond worldly logic. We live in Nirboah and Nirvair, for its All Him. Is that ego?

The demon is a demon due to ignorance of its true nature and not practicing Truth. Even Sajjan Thug the serial killer became Guru Nanaks student, a bhagat, with the knowledge and application of Truth (gurbani). 

8 hours ago, Jageera said:

And now they are working extra hard to defame Sikhs in India and Internationally for daring to demand rights and a say in laws that will affect their livelihood.It's good that this issue is receiving international attention that it deserves.Hope the Farmers are successful as almost 200 Farmers/Protestors have died up to now during this whole protest.

The international news outlets haven’t reported on the efforts of the Governement to discredit the farmers, or of the history of the Indian Governments horrific crimes against Punjabis to date. The media is Governement censored, the British government won’t allow it due to their trade and the money they make in partnership with the Indian govt. Punjab is still trying to get over the genocides of the past and then this. 

13 hours ago, SunnySingh said:

 

 

How are we not Him, when everything, everyone everywhere is him?

*The Shabad provided by you above says, He is in all, but that does not make Him that "thing".

We should not mix the Creator Lord waheguru Akal Purukh with the creation whether gross or subtle, which is made out of the 5 tattwas, and thus that creation is perishable in time and space, while in His real Shabad essence, He is beyond all that paraphernalia, so naturally He definetely is not the perishable creation.

He is subtler than the subtlest, He is spirit, He is a highest level of consciousness and an endless fountain of higher qualities such as "sach" "chit" "anand".

Now even for a second, if we take your theory that He is the sun, moon, houses, demons, angels,  dukh, sukh, we  and all what you can imagine, well then that statement falls down by its own weight, because, He can not be destroyed and have an end.

All of His creation, except the souls, which are his essence,  are subject to Parlay and Mahaparlay.

One day so to say, all that you see (creation), will cease to exist, then only He, in his Shabad form will exist. 

So then Sikhilove Jee, if everything was Him, why is it subject to Parlay and dissapear like smoke into the air? Perhaps, because all "that" is not Him definetely.

Your thinking that He is all and everything, is a contradiction, isnt it? 

He permeates in everything  like a perfume is in a flower, but the perfume(subtle /spirit) is not the flower(gross/creation), isn´t it? 

He is like the thread(spirit) in a necklace holding/sustaining all the pearls(creation). If the thread is removed, all the pearls get dispersed and lost.

 

We are Him, but are in maya, the illusion that we are not.

* When you say we are Him, in which way are we Him?

For He is spirit, not the body, and we have a body and mind also, which are perishable and not our true reality.

We are subject to lives an deaths, while He is "ajoonee"(birthless thus deathless). So naturally, He is not us, as long as we considere ourselves the body, for that is vaham, that is agyanta, that is brahm, that is an illusion ...

 

I’ve read gurbani many times.  

* To an extent something is better than nothing, but reading Gurbani many times, does not give someone the correct understanding.

People recite the whole of gurbani many a times as a regualar practice, but then, even  a parrot can recite Gurbani, and this does not make them understand it in a right perspective, for one thing is to read or recite, other thing is to do or put into practice"what one reads".

Reading a prescrition many a times though, will not cure one´s maladies(agyanta), until one takes the medicine(Nam as per Bani), of which the prescription is telling us about and the way to take it.

 

 I’m just a fool, an idiot, a sinner, a fool. I’m the lowest, I know nothing.

*This your statement is totally agreeable, and the final truth about all the reality of us and Him,  thus no more need for any  arguments or discussions.

 

But I love Him. (Chapeau, a very noble sentiment of love and purity, keep it up always)

*You love Him, for you are what you are(atma),  and He is He Himself(Waheguru Akal Purukh/Paramatma) . 

 

No, I love Him as me and me as Him. Denying that He/ Truth is the powerhouse of everyone and everything is ego. We are Nothing. The reality is that we cannot eat, live, breathe without Him. He is us and we are Him, ocean in the drop, drop in the ocean. We humans deny it for the sake of being right, humans find it difficult to accept that we are Nothing. 

On 2/3/2021 at 12:18 AM, SunnySingh said:

 

Sikhilove Jee, can you please provide where in the Bani does it say, that we are one? 

Please do not mould the Bani to your thought process, rather try to understand well the Bani, then only make conclusions, for whatever else you say is acceptbale in your posts, but when you come to describe Him, you give your own thoughts, whcih do not match Sikhee. 

Maybe you have been impressed by some school philosophy in your life, but in no way does it match when you say all is god,  or all of us are god , and so on .... 

If it was so as you say, Guru Jee would have never written the following Shabad, where He perfectly describes our present condition, and His true nature, which is the only Truth to be accepted and followed, anything else is "manmat":

 

soriT mhlw 5(613-10)
sorath mehlaa 5
Sorat'h, Fifth Mehl

hm mYly qum aUjl krqy hm inrgun qU dwqw ]
ham mailay tum oojal kartay ham nirgun too daataa.
We are filthy, and You are immaculate, O Creator Lord; we are worthless, and You are the Great Giver.

hm mUrK qum cqur isAwxy qU srb klw kw igAwqw ]1]
ham moorakh tum chatur si-aanay too sarab kalaa kaa gi-aataa. ||1||
We are fools, and You are wise and all-knowing. You are the knower of all things. ||1||

mwDo hm AYsy qU AYsw ]
maaDho ham aisay too aisaa.
O Lord, this is what we are, and this is what You are.

hm pwpI qum pwp KMfn nIko Twkur dysw ] rhwau ]
ham paapee tum paap khandan neeko thaakur daysaa. rahaa-o.
We are sinners, and You are the Destroyer of sins. Your abode is so beautiful, O Lord and Master. ||Pause||

qum sB swjy swij invwjy jIau ipMfu dy pRwnw ]
tum sabh saajay saaj nivaajay jee-o pind day paraanaa.
You fashion all, and having fashioned them, You bless them. You bestow upon them soul, body and the breath of life.

inrgunIAwry gunu nhI koeI qum dwnu dyhu imhrvwnw ]2]
nirgunee-aaray gun nahee ko-ee tum daan dayh miharvaanaa. ||2||
We are worthless - we have no virtue at all; please, bless us with Your gift, O Merciful Lordand Master. ||2||

qum krhu Blw hm Blo n jwnh qum sdw sdw dieAwlw ]
tum karahu bhalaa ham bhalo na jaanah tum sadaa sadaa da-i-aalaa.
You do good for us, but we do not see it as good; You are kind and compassionate, forever and ever.

qum suKdweI purK ibDwqy qum rwKhu Apuny bwlw ]3]
tum sukh-daa-ee purakh biDhaatay tum raakho apunay baalaa. ||3||
You are the Giver of peace, the Primal Lord, the Architect of Destiny; please, save us, Your children! ||3||

qum inDwn Atl suilqwn jIA jMq siB jwcY ]
tum niDhaan atal sulitaan jee-a jant sabh jaachai.
You are the treasure, eternal Lord King; all beings and creatures beg of You.

khu nwnk hm iehY hvwlw rwKu sMqn kY pwCY ]4]6]17]
kaho naanak ham ihai havaalaa raakh santan kai paachhai. ||4||6||17||
Says Nanak, such is our condition; please, Lord, keep us on the Path of the Saints. ||4||6||17||

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Can you see the simplicity and beauty and above all true gyan and differences between us or all beings and  Him, described perfectly by Guru Jee?

Our origin and destiny is Him, but, for the moment we are not Him.

We are bound in the endless cycle of births and deaths, He IS NOT.

We have karmas and sanskaras of countless lives, HE HAS NOT.

We have mind and we are prisoners in Maya, HE IS NOT.

We  imperfect and limited, HE IS PEREFCT AND INFINITE.

If we are a drop, then HE IS THE INFINITE OCEAN. (so unless the drop merges in the Ocean, it remains a drop, thus limited)

If we are a ray of  Sun, then HE IS THE SUN. (so unless the ray returns in the sun, it is a simple and a limited ray)

So you see, in no way we are Him.

Please refrain from such comments, read the Bani and understand it fully, if needed be in the company of HIS lovers, in order to elevate your consciousness level where correct and right understanding is reached by His grace.

Gurbani in each shabad, in each ang, makes us aware of our current state of separation from Him with all that implies, and gives us the right directions/techniques to apply them practically in our present lives and reunite our surtees with Him, by merging in Him.

How are we not Him, when everything, everyone everywhere is him? I’ve read gurbani many times. We are Him, but are in maya, the illusion that we are not. Gurbani (the Guru) pulls us out of it. I won’t deny that the Lord and Master, my true Father is All, hence we are Him and He is Us. Our bodies, the sun, the moon, our houses, it’s All Him. It’s stated in Gurbani many many times. To deny the fact would be to live in illusion. The dukh, the sukh, the pleasure and the pain, angel, demon, all him dressed up, all hukam and karam. Wordly logic has no place in True Love. He is the power that runs through our veins, without him, we don’t wake up, we can’t eat, sleep, none of it. I accept that we are Him and He is Us out of Love. I’m just a fool, an idiot, a sinner, a fool. I’m the lowest, I know nothing. But I love Him. 

16 hours ago, SunnySingh said:

If Guru Gobind Singh said what you say, that is fine, because He is th form of Waheguru Akal Purukh at our level, which means He is omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent.  

Whatever He says is the Truth.

But let us ask ourselves? Even if all the names of those jeevas mentioned by you in your post above is a reality, what is so great about it? 

We must bear in mind, merging and becoming one with Waheguru is not like going to a holiday resort or to a foreign land for sometime and coming back.

For any soul who reaches Waheguru´s level and merges in Him, has for sure lost his petty identity and become one with Him without any distinction.

And if these jeevas mentioned by you,  they came back,  that means they were not one with Him, they were somewhere settling their karmas ... thus they came back once again as human biengs to perfect their bhakti and if it is His mauj, then go and become one with Him, that is it.

We too, each one of us, have been born countless times, in countless lives and species, so then?  

Our only goal to be paid attention to, should be the goal taught in the Gurbani, which is Guru Jee or Satnam, that is it, for only with Him can we ever get out from maya and brahm..

Who comes, who goes, where does that jeeva go .... are all distractions.

Life is too short, we should focus on ourselves, whether we are fulfilling our purpose of doing the right job/bhakti to get out of the endless cycle of 84, for once and ever and merge in  Him, with His grace, that is it.

 

We’ve always been One, we just live in the lower psychology and illusion that we’re not. The Gurus are merged with God but still have their differences, the astral body etc, they were married, had kids, different associates etc. But the Essence is the same, as our essence is, we are One. 
 

Many would oppose this fact, saying the Gurus are higher than us. But the Gurus of all souls taught us that we are Equal and we are One, that God pervades each and every one of us and we are Him and He is us. In accepting this, in Nirboah and Nirvair, we can begin to see through the illusion. 

On 1/18/2021 at 5:27 PM, Jitsingh Gojra said:

Hi Sarabatam, of course buddhism has a central theme the path to lieration of suffering or nirvana! How are you not being humble by showing in some convincing way that you are a reincarnation of a past teacher/guru to reinforce the teachings of the granth sahib. That is exactly what the buddhists reicarnated teachers have done on so many occasions.

not to be offensive to anyone here, but with the vast amount of individuals posting here, are showing they have a high level of competence in the these deeply penetrating teachings. But all the replies so have been just so vague and insubstantial to verify of even a single one person who has reicarnated to teach the meaning of the granth, convinces me even further to learn the true meaning of the teachings must be questionable and if you are left with questions and confusion wjhat value is there persuing to undertsand such teach teachings. 

I am not sayin that the teachers here are incompetant but for a religion that has like Hinduism, Buddhism reincarnation as one of its central pillars, there has not been one commonly known reincarnation, if that is the case what tyoe furture is sikhism heading towards for our children??? It is very worrying!!!

Again stickying to the central question of reincarnation, can anyone who replies provide some valued information supporting it. 

Thanks all, Jitsingh

waheguru ka khalsa waheguru ki fateh .

 

Guru Granth Sahib Ji is all that’s needed, it’s all in there and we keep moving on the path with naam simran, practicing Truth in real life. We’re not supposed to worship saints, were supposed to apply gurbani, which has given us the first step in applying Truth and walk the rest of the path alone with God. If you come across a sant then fine, if not, there’s always gurbani. People likely won’t always name names on here because a lot of the time, real saints are demonized, to the extent that some are physically hurt, sometimes even by full amritdharis no less. The Gurus and the sants they associated with are the perfect examples of this. People tend to fear what they dont understand. With hukam, you’ll meet one if it’s gods will. 

3 hours ago, Jageera said:

What Shabads would you recommend?

Its funny that spirits in the west and east have the same hobby of sitting/standing at the end of the bed.Here many people especially chinese keep amulets made by Thai shamans which contain dead persons hair,tooth,bone,clothes,ash etc.It's big time business here in Thai,Cambodia,Msia,Singapore,Indonesia with people selling on FB etc.They worship spirits like these and ask lucky numbers,job promotion,subduing enemies,attraction from them.Very popular with people working at big corporations.So all day long even at workplace you would come across people carrying these items and the negative energies all stick to you.And if you are a manager,supervisor etc then many subordinates will be targeting you with many types of toonay so that they remain in your good books.

Lol maybe. Yes people can be extra with that stuff. They’re the second/astral energy though... we’ll see that stuff when we’ve passed on. God put us on earth to accept life here and not dwell on the astral realm, hence they taught Truthful Living. The gyan regrading the realms though, is that they don’t actually exist, including this realm, as in they’re a projection of the nothingness, Truth from which we came. In the silence, the primal void, there’s no colour, imagery, etc, just Truth/ God. Anything with image is an illusion. But we accept life on earth in the khel and experience and learn lessons from it. 
 

Any shabads you like listening to. 

12 hours ago, Jageera said:

Ok will try 2.5 hours simran during midnight when I can manage it.Currently  I do it after 6am usually.

I really hope God doesn't come to me dressed up in this costume,I'd rather take a pass.

 

Just do it with a nightlight on. If you’re afraid, shabads help more than you can imagine, they are very powerful. Ive been playing them through the night recently. 
 

That demon is nothing, they’re like puffs of smoke in the khel. I’ve seen worse than that believe it or not. I struggled with those negative visions all my life until a few years ago. One time I woke up with one at the end of my bed but by that time I was so bored of seeing them I just ignored it and went back to sleep. Ignore and continue with your own life and also bhagti. A serial killer, rapist has a messed up/ demonic looking astral body aswell, we just don’t always see it unless your third eye is fully open and God wants you to. But it’s the same thing. Don’t be scared, they’re just b/s, both the bad people and the spirits. Picture Guru Nanak if it helps, I do it too, When you think of him, he senses you. He’s fearless and we are able to practice the same fearlessness. Those spirits are scared of great souls. Remember that Guru Nanak went into Mecca at a time when people were massacring and torturing non Muslims in the worst ways imaginable. And he put his feet towards the Kaaba. Loads of people wanted him dead but he didn’t care and wasn’t scared. A true warrior spirit. 

Society and the media through horror movies taught us to fear them but it should be the opposite, the spirits not supposed to be on earth, God made the earth realm for humans to practice Truth, experience life and learn. Another way is to picture God in every heart, in all beings whether good or bad. He’s the powerhouse of and controls all those beings.

10 hours ago, Jageera said:

The earliest I've done it was at 4am.I don't experience any sound at the moment. I usually just do out loud Vaheguru simran.Last year was 20mins daily.This year upped it to 30mins.

You do it in darkness or any lights on at 12.30am?I've tried in darkness but had to switch on the lights as I had a terrible feeling of being watched by something.I think its just in my head as I've watched too many horror movies.

It’s okay, try it with the lights off, if not then try a dimmer night light. Try saying Waheguru, I say Satnaam, out loud and then internally intuitively. To hear the sound, you need to quiet the mind and relax your body.

The reality is you just need to not fall for the b/s of the illusion/khel. Even the most demonic entities you may see are God (as are bad people). They’re just false images, illusions, god dressed up in costume. A highly evolved friend taught me to visualize myself in meditation as an eagle and a cheetah, animals who don’t fear predators way bigger than themselves. They said if I see a demon or whatever, to bite it’s head off. So in my samadhi (with lights off) I did, and the fear was conquered.
 

You don’t actually need to do anything at all though. Just the gyan of understanding that they’re just God, to ignore whatever may appear and get on with your own life and simran is enough. The Gurus didn’t/ don’t fear them/ care about their rubbish and either should we. Don’t let anything or anyone stop you on the path of bhagti whether a bad spirit or a bad person. Don’t forget that we are spiritual warriors. You’re not alone, God is Always with you. Have strength, and recognise that fear is an illusion.

On 4/19/2003 at 12:34 PM, SAadmin said:

Wahe Guru Ji Ka Khalsa, Wahe Guru Ji Fateh

 

Essential reading for the purpose of human life.

 

MESSAGE FROM THE PATRON SANT NARANJAN SINGH JI

(As I understand it from a book that my father had)

 

The aim purpose or goal of human life is to be oneness with God or God relisation or to see the actual form of God. One should achieve this goal in this life itself.

There are 5 steps of God Relisation:

 

1. Dharam Khand:

With the grace of almighty God, man realises that he should devote his life to God realisation and not waste is away in sins.

He should be up in the early hours of the morning at about 3 am and start with Nam Simran. At the start is should be 2.5 minutes and then can gradually be increased. This should be followed by the recitation of 5 banis namely:-

1. Japji Sahib

2. Jaap Sahib

3. Savaiyes

4. Benti Chaupai

5. Anand Sahib

Out of his honest earnings he should take out one-tenth (deswand) for Guruji's work.

He who does not believe in deswand- to earn the money he would take to falsehood or speak falsehood.

Says the supersoul of Guru Gobind Singh Ji to Bhai Nandlalji "He is not faithful who does not take out his deswand"

 

2. Gian Khand (region of Divine Knowledge)

As a person reaches this region he detaches himself from worldly sinful desires and his mind desires to understand divine matters. He gets joy and desires start disappearing slowly.

 

3. Saram Khand (Region of Spiritual beauty/wisdom)

With divine knowledge man tries to understand the teachings of the Sri Guru Granth Sahibji and put them to practise. This elevates his soul, leading to purfication of min, intellect, wisdom.

 

4. Karam Khand (Region of Divine Grace)

Here man seeks Divine grace and receives it and divine light appears in him. He is absorbed in God's love 24 hours of the day. His evil desires disappear and he is at peace with himself and is always in happiness.

 

5. Sach Khand (Region of Truth)

In this region the subtle power, the formless Lord himself resides. Man gets absorbed in God and sees the peace giving pure white light of the Lord which is indescribable.

The light of thousand suns would be nothing before the brightness of this light and man's wanderings comes to an end and he is saved from the cycle of repeated births and deaths.

The process of awakening divine sight implies lokking inwards and leading a disciplied life. This is called breaking the wall of falsehood. It is coming to a state of complete inner stillness called meditation. As one progresses in this inner journey, he comes nearer and nearer to the Divine One.

 

Wahe Guru Ji Ka Khalsa, Wahe Guru Ji Fateh

Naam from 12.30am for 2.5 hrs is effective, very powerful time, until morning. 

On 1/17/2021 at 4:14 PM, Guest Ragamala said:

Hello everyone, 

Have you guys noticed that whenever you are not feeling well or have a fever that inner sounds get more noticeable ? Just recently, I had a fever around 102 after getting the 2nd dose of pfizer vaccine. And I was able to notice the inner sound/ringing much more and continuous throughout the day. Has anyone noticed anything like that ? is it because our mind is less distracted from world when we are suffering from Dukh. Please share your own personal experiences . Thanks.

WJKK WJKF!

Sometimes. Illness is paying off our Dukhi karams, it washes our Karam. Im normally in tune with it when resting and recovering

On 1/21/2021 at 7:01 PM, HisServant said:

I forgot to mention this but this has been happening a lot more as of yesterday - 

I remember I posted a pretty major experience about a year ago - where I hit this place which was like a bottomless pit of energy. Something very powerful. Beyond anything I've ever experienced. And it has life to it. 

It's not in a particular place - like you know when you see parkash, you can point out where you see it? Or if you hear shabad, you can say "I hear it in my head" or "above my head" or wherever you hear it? 

But this has no position. Neither inside nor outside the body. Yet it's more powerful and "vivid" than parkash or shabad. But no actual sight or sound. It's just "energy". It's there whether eyes are open are closed. It's there in meditation and outside. Even when I'm walking around at work, studying, etc it's always there. 

I don't know how to describe it yet but once I do I will post an update. 

Lol, it’s Truth, ie God. It’s the reality, ie pure unconditional Love.

On 1/21/2021 at 3:28 PM, HisServant said:

I appreciate the kind words. But also my views on ideas like this have really changed. I don't think there is a beginner or expert. Everything (god) is already there. There's nothing to look for. I want you to watch this next video carefully:

^^^ I think this can be compared to how we see people. Both objects in each scenario are the same, but they're perceived as different. Just like how we see people. On the physical surface, just bones, flesh etc  - a biomechanical suit. Which is run by some sort of intelligence that has been shaped by a persons experiences (including previous lives), their upbringing, their family life, the "good" and "bad" things that have happened to them. Whether or not someone believes in "fate", it seems like it could still be argued that we don't have much control over our lives, even our own actions. If you had lived the exact same experiences as someone else, I think it would be likely that your actions would mimic them. So how can one be labeled as a "sinner" and one as a "saint"? 

During the heightened moments where everything is a bit more "clear" and the intuition is strong, it feels like I've just been living in "psychosis" my entire life. Just like when people see things that aren't there and they get sent to a psych ward for a mental illness evaluation. 

These are just my opinions in the current moment - things often change for me the deeper I go. 

^^^ And then in this video, how god is viewed. When she hides the toy, the kid thinks the toy has disappeared and doesn't know where it is. But it's always right in front of her. 

Just like this - In spirituality - where is god? who is the sinner and who is the saint? Who is the atheist and who is the religious person? 

A lot of perceptions really change - In some of the sessions it feels like the universe in within the mind instead of the body/mind complex being within the universe. Everything just flips. 

 

Beyond worldly logic. He is right in front of us, he Is us, he’s everyone everything everywhere. 
 

Around 8 years ago, I had a strong vision. Out of my heart, God projected the universe, stars, planets, everything. Then it all sucked back into my heart And I was alone, just us (me and God) in the void. In that moment, I learned that it’s All just Him. The good, the bad, the people, the highs, the lows. The universe, everything, is Love.

Humans strive for decades and ages to find Truth, when Truth was here all along, its All Pervading. All we can do is Love Him, as He loves us. 

Online Sangat on here is good to have, discussions and talking about gurbani is good. Above all, read gurbani, and believe the Gurus. The world/ humans and even spirits will try and sell you rubbish once you step onto this path. The True Bhagats don’t buy or believe it. They only believe the Guru. 

2 hours ago, Sikhilove said:

Sometimes He shows us how to navigate the astral realm for purposes we may need later. Doing naam simran while in the astral realm is great. I’ve sat on the floor a few times and done it and learned a lot that I’ve applied in my daily life. 

The aim is still not to dwell on the astral though and to live life in the third energy, here and now. There is a lot to be learned here on earth, even Truth masters learn here. We go to the astral upon death, but life is here and now on earth, accepting that is important.  Working, supporting your own life, Practicing Gurbani in your daily life, enjoying life and learning as you go along is the best way to live. But respecting life, so not meditating in the hills all the time etc. We take to exercise and meditation in the evening and night and live life during the day.

Not needing darshans and visions to believe in Him and having blind faith is great. Many bhagats in the past have fallen into ego of seva, ie Trishna. They got naam and went astray. Naam reconciles us with the Truth in gurbani. It’s important to practice gurbani, restrain from the five thieves when we do it. And to remember that all beings including humans are Equal. The visions never make us higher or lower than anyone. 

On 12/29/2020 at 4:38 AM, sarabatam said:

It's pretty amazing experience..you can astral travel in the room and heal yourself with white light projection. Since Vahiguru expanded / infinite awareness is everywhere including in empty space you can split yourself in form of flow of consciousness.

 

 

 

Sometimes He shows us how to navigate the astral realm for purposes we may need later. Doing naam simran while in the astral realm is great. I’ve sat on the floor a few times and done it and learned a lot that I’ve applied in my daily life. 

On 1/16/2021 at 4:14 PM, Jitsingh Gojra said:

Hi All,

I just have a thought about reincarnation within the Sikhism, does anyone know of any saints, sages, great teachers or guru`s that have been significant or insignificant figures in influencing our culture or religios teachings. I can`t think of any my self and with the limited literature about our religion and its teachings from credible authors. 

Also if anyone can think of any from Hinduism from the past 500 years, that were actual unquestionable reincarnartions not someones opinion for example there are some noteable authors that state Lord Buddha to be a reincarnation of Vishnu, which I thinkk is absurd.

Can anyone that comments please ensure you don`t use complex language or terms that are uncommon, although I am from tghe Uk my english is terrible and i would avoid asking for explanations.

Many thanks for all that reply and waheguru ki fateh waheguru ka khalsa.

Jitsingh

 

Guru Gobind Ji wrote of the incarnations of Vishnu Ji in Sri Dasam Granth Ji. There are many Devi’s and devte who were/ have reincarnated.Some incarnations also go astray and some come back onto the path in their current janam. It depends on the incarnation.

On 9/29/2018 at 6:00 PM, Dhillon Gurp said:

I think too much over analyzing happening here. 

Women are allowed initiation into the Khalsa. Khalsa is a saint soldier who is PURE, and can through this purity MERGE with the PURE ONE-->GOD.  Lets all try to become Pure first in all actions and thoughts.

Guru Gobind Singh: Father of the Khalsa...is the NIRGUN ROOP OF AKAL 

Mata Sahib Kaur - MOTHER of the Khalsa --is the SARGUN ROOP OF AKAL or AKAL SHAKTI.  Manifestation of the NIRGUN ROOP.

There is only ONE GOD ==NIRGUN ROOP OR SARGUN ROOP. Lets try to get out of DUALITY, and focus on the "oneness".

The khalsa is equal part female and male. Khalsa is for all genders.  This tradition of women not being in the Panj Pyare. Perhaps because the original Panj Pyare were all men.  It would have been nice if a women had volunteered her HEAD when the KHALSA was originally created in 1699, as that did not happen.  As a women I am very strong and confident in myself, and believe my father, Guru Ji, and don't need to question gender equality. We know our religion is all about Gender Equality, so why keep bringing something up that has no relevance.

 If you feel good if women are part of the 5, than go for it --take amrit there,  However, there is nothing wrong with tradition, and the 5 being men.  Lets become Pure, and uphold the values of the Khalsa.

This questioning is a slippery slope, as so many things don't make sense. However, as you start praying the answers come to you. 

Crsytal - Just pray to Guru Ji, and ask him this question. He will answer...

 

Agreed. Many men and even women have twisted it to their own meaning. Reality is that you or I could have been there and offered our heads, and the Panj Panj Pyare could have been mixed genders. One need only to look at Mai Bhago leading men on horseback into war to know that Sat makes no distinction between male and female, both are able to have strength and do the seemingly impossible and Are worthy of Gods Love. 

On 12/22/2018 at 9:08 AM, LetsSee said:

Unless your convictions are only from your parents (upbringing) and that alone, then yes, of course convictions can change.

I presume you would have to surmise that your guru (the first one) changed his conviction due to some experience or other.  That is to say, if you are a Sikh, and Sikhism being a fairly new religion, then your answer should already be there.

Being alive is a miracle within itself. We were made out of nothingness, we were literally formed from nothing. Gurbani says the world is illusory, like a dream, and if we accept that gyan, we come to realise that All is a miracle and our preconceptions and worldly logic about life drilled into us from youth is crushed. 
 

God/Truth is all. Gods literally staring us in the face. 

On 1/8/2021 at 1:48 PM, HisServant said:

As for physical measurable experiences - 

"parkash" is a lot stronger and feels like a "tool". If I'm ever tired, I just sit in the place where there's light (when I say light I don't mean a literal light but more of a light that's colourless but also can get very bright - I know it's probably hard to try and figure out what that would look like). But sitting in that spot feels refreshing for the physical body. 

The mind lets go of the body in a very different way now. It's like it just dissolves and then all that's left is space. It's a very easy and smooth process. Just like sugar dissolving into water. And then eventually gets to the point where all memories, thoughts and sense of self is gone. There's this experience that happens where it feels like the mind is going through mini explosion type phases. The deeper and longer I sit in there, the more of a shock I go into once I wake up. Waking up from that state and transitioning back into the body feels like entering tregun for the first time. It's a literal shock for a second or two until I remember who I am again. 

It's like being in two different worlds - the physical world where the body lives life and then being non existent. 

But even when the mind is with the physical body that "non-existent state" still exists. 

It's very difficult to put labels on it and describe it but the best way I can put it is "I exist but also don't". It's like being a ball of energy in a physical body. And at times it feels like what "I" am or could be also exists outside of the body. 

The part of the body-mind complex that takes in sensory information is a lot more in tune with subtle energies as well. I feel a stronger collection of energy around the head. It's very heavy. I don't know how to explain this. 

And then at times it feels like the entire universe is inside the mind. I lived most of my life with the perspective that the universe is external and outside of the body. They felt like separate parts. But now it's like "everything else" is inside the thing that feels like "me". So as a result, everything feels like it's "me". BUT at the same time "me" feels like it does not exist so it's as if nothing actually exists. Again, "illusion" is the best term but it still doesn't describe what's being processed by the sensory system.

When I type all of this out it really does not make any sense but the experience itself makes sense when experienced. 

This is why I stopped telling my friends and family my experiences or updating on here. There's just no way to explain things anymore that make sense through language.

 

Edit: And to add to all of this - only the experiences that have a "visual" or "sound" or some other form of connection to tregun can actually be described. Anything that goes beyond the senses or cannot be connected to tregun using an analogy can't actually be put in writing. They're experienced but then the mind can't even properly remember them. 

Hence why it’s said that Truth is beyond description. It can’t be described, only experienced. It’s beyond worldly logic. Once you see through the illusion, that’s a great step. Keep going. 

On 8/13/2020 at 9:00 PM, Guru_Ka_Daas said:

Shri Waheguru Ji Da Khalsa, Shri Waheguru Ji De Fateh,

Satsriakal to all my brothers and sisters on this forum. I hope everyone is safe and sound along with their family and friends. I needed some advice or suggestions from my fellow Sikhs. I do my daily required prayers, I try to stay positive, I do socialize and try to stay happy but my life has been continuously troublesome and negative. Please see below of how it’s negative and need tips suggestions to improve my life:

1. My father passed away when I was 6 years old, was attached with him a lot.
2. Struggle in family disputes, arguments, struggle in studies 
3. Betrayal from family and friends 
4. Continuously obstacles keep happening no matter how hard I try to succeed in life 
5. Wife left forever so ended up in divorce.
6. No siblings it’s just me and mom the house feels empty.
7. Attempting re-marriage but women these days either have behavior problem or attitude not good, or they want to pressurize the guy in their own ways. 

I am not understanding that despite my devotion to Waheguru / Gurus / Banis why is everything negative happening and no good outcome happening? I don’t drink I don’t smoke I don’t get angry but there is just something wrong somewhere something is not right

Hi. Develop strength. Take care of your mind body and spirit, ie work, exercise and mediate. Betrayal happens, but we have to be strong and believe the Guru and what he teaches us, learn any lessons there are to be learned and push through it. Read gurbani and apply it to your life practically. Forgive those who have betrayed you and treated you badly and develop an I don’t care attitude, focus on your own life and leave blame.

Be fearless, for everyone everything everywhere is God, see him in every person, in every action. Practice gratitude for the small things you have in life and build your life to the life you want, step by step. In life we must fight for what we want. 

Guru Nanak walked into Mecca during a time where non believers were being tortured, decapitated etc. He was incredibly brave and spoke the Truth, he didn’t care about people’s perceptions of him, betrayal and mistreatment were normal from his family. His strength serves as an inspiration, we should strive to be like the Gurus.