vijaydeep Singh

Gurfateh when das was yuong das was told a story by grand mother(Maternal). Once a person was sitting in jungle and excreating and saying Ram Ram Ram. Hanuman Ji slaped him.When he went to Ram Ji,he saw that face of Rama was swolen and mark of slap were there. Rama told that devotion can be done at any time and it was mistake on the part of Hanuman Ji. It is more a legend but das does not find any harm while saying Gurbani being in any situation(til it is not sin say killing innocnet). Anyway such libralism is due to Kala Affghanasim but why does thess people become feroutius when we do say Arti with flowers or lamps? answer could be lack of faith in our God in them and they fear from nothinng called Hindusim absorbing us.

Gurfateh Thanks for correction. Well was not Dara Shikoh also Shia? And likewise das read that Chisti sufies helped in relase of Six Guru from Gwalior fort and after the meeting ,when family member of Moghul King came to them in Nizzamudden Auliya Dargah asking for help to cure aling person (May be king).And some one from Punajb said that,Greatest of Peer is in custody and this is the result of such sin.Just your opinion bro?(here only das read that that person from punjab was something to do with mia Meer and was from Chisiti Silsilah and das finds it wrong). And From which Silsilah did Sheik Fareed Rahmat Ul Allehe belong?

Gurfateh If das is notr mistaken Peer Budhu Shah,Mia Meer were Sunni sufis of Chisti Silsila(Tradition).

Gurfateh Just in fort of Gol Dakkhana,we have another small enternace to Bangla Sahib,where some one of Jatha of Karsewa Wale Baba Harbans Singh Ji will be there. He can guide you for Gurudwaras told by Das about in meerut District. Else as das told you in Kankhal towen of Haridwar we have have Tap Asthan of Third Master at Saitghat and it is near ot Nirmal Akhara also. About say 50 years ago there was a Gurudwara Gian Godri at Hari Ki Pauri ,where First Master put water in west instead of sun to teach lesson to supstious people. That Gurudwara is removed at present.

Gurfateh Other then Hemkuknht Sahib only Gurudwara of historical importance is in Kankhal Near Satighat related to perhaps Third Master. Anyway in Uttranchal we have Three more Gurudwaras but they are not in that route.If you want das can give some info on them to. Best of Luck. Yes if possbile,again 30 KM off the road in east of Meerut,you may get one Gurudwara at the birth place of Bhai Dharam Singh,the second Piara. For that you may have to move towards Mawana from Meerut,then from Mawan via Rani Nangala to Saifpur. Or from Mawana to Ganeshpur and then towards Hastinapur and just before towen move left towards Saifpur. Thing here is that you can have more guidance form Baba Harbans Singh Ji Kar Sewa Wale statoined at Bangla Sahib. If you visit Saifpur then do not forget to visit Hastinapur(There also a small Gurudwara is located at the place of Stable of Bhai Sahib). And further Ahead,we have on way to Ramraj,a village called Latifpur and east from there Gurudwara Nanakthali at Kishanppur(Whic is realted to First Master)Das doubts its Hitorical importance. Yuo will love that Area anyway as there are about 20 Sikh majority Villages there and some more villages of neo converts. But be carefull in that area and do not stop the Car more in dark time to stranger as Area is crime prone.

Gurfateh If we could Get Hukamnamah of Dasham Granth also from say out of Two Thakhat then it will be realy wonderful.

Gurfateh to reach higher Avastha we have to behold that we are not in either of the Three Gunas. how? Tamsic or dark qulity When we see men dying on road after accident we take all his mony and kill him ourself as if he surrive,eh may let us cought. Rajsic or practical,based upon material or soil(Raj or Rujja). Leave the man dieing on the road and why to waste time and take risk say man dies police may think that we killed him. Satvik or doing turthfull of good things. We will save the man and conside that we did it,and we have done a work of Punya(Charity or Chasty). State above three or Chaturth Avatha. Man is saved,but all by will of Akal,we did not help him rather it was Akal in us who did the work.term us is also usless as all is that(Akal).

Gurfateh Khalsa is a state above Three Gunas so why do we talk Rajsic or Tamsic or say Go for Satvic,it will increase our Ego only.Fourth satte is above such things.

Gurfateh For some Bhai Bala Janam Sakhi is realiable source.

Gurfateh Jakir Naik is joker and worse then das.

Gurfateh So plants are created by humans? Is there anything in universe which Akal has not created?Das could not see so.So nothing to be eaten.

Gurfateh Das meant part and typing error is regreted.

Gurfateh In the army of government of Guru,we had Muslims and Hindus so we need to see who wrote this 27 section. Then term comes roam independantly.That may means that in the political indepeandce of Sikhs,they must not surrender thier Right(of political freedom) to non Sikh.It may be more to do with giving away self right of political freedom to non Sikh,then say not taking help of non Sikhs in Sikh political establishment.

Gurfateh See if this from Dr Jodh Singh Ji,Das has Hindi version of it. http://searchgurbani.com/main.php?book=das...ge&page=643

Gurfateh It is OK to study hard and get fund and fame but rember that if you excell you will be a prat of commuinity and keep on serving the comunnity you are part of with 10th of your income or as much you can less or more.Comunity here means not only Sikhs but most of your socity,do help them. Coming to Baptism.There is not ban of eating meat for baptised.If you are told so then some misguided people are misguiding you.Only Halal type of meat is forbiddan. Baptism is not to do with dogma,When ever Akal will have mercy on you you will be baptised and as all is in hand of Akal so no need to feel guilty.What is momre important ios to understand Bani,serve human kind and have faith in our Lord Akal(eternal,who is in all).

Gurfateh As per Bhai Bala Janam Sakhi ,Adaam is Shivji,Narad is Satan etc. but that could be an attempt to unit Hindus and Muslims by Hindalis.

Gurfateh If das is not mistaken son of peer was taken to Sachkhand and as a proff did Karrah Prasad was brought from thier by both Guru and Peers son.(this may be symbolic) but Sanatan Sikhs say from Hazur Sahib do belive that.

Gurfateh Simrun255 ! are you enlisted with British Army? Dass was once selected for RLC.

Gurfateh http://www.panthic.org/data/images/news/ca...anjeetsingh.jpg Das could not see the Kalgi clearly. So far no prrof das got yet das will try to get proof about baba whgile being the advocate of devel,if baba is devel das deos not neecasry meant to be his supporter. But do not go by just hoax.As at one time Sant Ji were also tagged as agent of rss and later very same people made him hero. Das will try to bring the moderator of Sikhphilosophy.net also here,who has done a study on the conduct of Baba ji.He started with -ve and ended with +ve.We can even concluded Baba as second coming of Sant Ji as his borht was after a few months of dissappearnce of Sant Ji. Das again request to do not go for hoaxes be it in for this Baba or say Kala Afghana Sahib or Nihungs of UK.If they are wrong we can zero dowen on their false things and charge them but by hoax our own case gets weakned. Das would request the address of that Bibi of what you said was from Naintal District of UP.Just for Info Nainital is no longer in UP but is in Uttrachanchal and District could be Udham Singh Nagar but das rtrust you. das is ust bringing the person ,who did study on this Baba Ji here on this forum.

Gurfateh Das will see ther prooes first and coming to word terrorists.Das just wants to say that one who killes other without asking for debate or say giving other punishment like Kala Afghana Sahib are made Tankha. So instead of making Baba Tankha and killing him on false allagation is a terrorist act.Das himslef has relation with RSS and so far Akal Takhat has not told to boycatt RSS but only to bycott Rashtriya Sikh Sangat rallies on occaission of 400 year celebration of Guru Granth Sahib Ji;s Prakash. So this is a lie that thie Baba has anything to do with RSS.Main thing is if he is not as per Gurmat then it does not mean his from being RSS.Say Kala Afghana Sahib also has nothing to do with RSS.Or say Nihungs of UK.In fact das has respect for all the Sikhs mentioned above on at least few issues.

Gurfateh Regarding Turbans. Das read in Bhangu book that Malwa was under Rajputs of Rajsthan and malwa itself was extension of desert(Before the Panth was made). Then another thing was that these Rajputs i punjab later wewre overun by Muslims and most became Muslim(like Tulsidas became Shek ChAK,who was fore father of Rai Kalla).And other people may mnaitianed the simlar Turbans.Even Rajput Muslims or say Gujars or Jaats of POK had similar turbans but not neatly tied.

Gurfateh Das is interested to know that thre is perhapds one Sant Nihal SinghJi's place,was he from Gurus time or not has top be seen and was sant used for him aftert Guru or not is to be seen. Das is not in support of Baba Sahib if we get proofs but with proofs we can perhaps confront them.Das will try to visit Baba Ji,s place and give a good report of what ever is found there. Do not think that Das follows these Baba Ji as he tells to be vegitarian and eating and killing as per Baba is sin but Das can kill animal to be eaten.But only thing is we need to gather proof.There should be some similarity between what he says and what he does.And does his deeeds,totaly under his control. Forgive dass for misunderstanding but a friend of Das had a chat with a terrorsits,who was living in Pakistan,he said that this Baba is agent of RSS and he will kill this baba as soon as possible. Das cAN SAY THIA AS SALNDERR AS THIS BABA HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RSS RATHER DAS IS CLOSER TO RSS THEN THIS BABA.

Gurfateh Das yesterday returned from Jaipur. There is a Damdam Sahib Shaster Asthan of Tenth Master on Sethi colony,Agra road.Another Gurudwara of historical importance is a Pushkar.Exact place Gobind Ghat is anyway at present in Hindu Control although some thing is writtna over there also in Gurmukhi. Thing to rember here is that Gobind Ghat is more important to Hindu brthern also due to inte relation with Lord Brhama perhaps or God only knows. Regarding the style of moushtches belonging to Old Sikhs and Rajasthanis das say that it is not with Rajpoots only but other Castes also have similar moustaches.

Gurfateh As per Gurmat that person is a Brahmin who is enlightened by Akal ie Brahmgyani. so not bith based or deeds based but mercy of God based.

Gurfateh Some tribes in Punjab are from Rajesthan wide Solnaki(Virk) Chuahan(Cheema),Pratihar(Parhar)and Panwar(Parmar). Then as thney are origenal from a alter in mount abu so called Agni Vansh or dynasty perhaps snaskritisation of tribals in Rajputs. So language,anthrpoligical things are similar.We have Devotee Pipa and Dhana having versde in Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Tenth Master did visit that Area and Locals did respect.Even when Singhs attacked Jaipur Local King Said that we both are Sikh of the same Guru and Sikhs retreated(Ram Singh went to Assam with Ninth Master as protection to magic of Asemeess Devi Kamakhya and after breaking Magic Guru made freindship between teh two). two more important Things. Rana Pratap Singh did got inspiration from Baba Srichand Ji and Udasis are still strong there.Swami Dayanand Wanted to end Vaishnav order ut later got killed/commited suicide. And Skiligars or blacksmith Sikh tribe are native of Rajsthan called in Punajb by Sixth Master to make weapons for Sikhs.Majority of them are Sikhs.