vijaydeep Singh

Ek Oankar Wahiguru Ji Ki Fateh Yes what you are saying is correct. Gurudev did say that four Varnas have to be made one. You can get it from Var 1 of bhai Gurdas when he says First Nanak made Four Varna as one. Then bhai Gurdas IInd says about Tenth Guru as ape Gur Chela,Self Guru and Self Chela so this is must that Gurudev had to have taken Amrit from Five Sikhs so does he becomes Sikh of Khalsa Guru. Das is bringing in a fe quote from Budha Dal Version of Sarbloh Guru Darbar Bhag 3 Adhyaya 5th Pad 862 Khalsa Mero Mitre Sakhai..Khalsa Mat Pita Sukhdai.. Khalsa is my friend,Buddy..Khalsa is comferting mother and Father.. Khalsa Meri Sobha Seel.. Khalsa Bandh Sakha sad deel.. Khalsa is my fame and respect..Khalsa is Brthren,comrade,Good Physical extent.. Khalsa Mero Swajan Parwar..Khalsa Mero Karat Udhar.. Khalsa is my own people(own) Family..Khalsa does my Salvation.. Khalsa Mero Pind Paran..Khalsa Meri Jaan Ki Jaan.. Khalsa is my body and life..Khalsa is life of my life.. Khalsa Mero Kar Nirbah..Khalsa Mera/i Deh Aru Sah.. Khalsa does my livilihood(purpose of life)..Khalsa is my body and breath.. Khalsa Mero Satguru Pura..Khalsa Mero Swajjan Sura.. Khalsa is my complete true Guru.. Khalsa is my own people,Couragious.. Hau Khalas kau,Khalsa Mero.. I am of Khalsa,Khalsa is mine.. Oat Poat Saga® Bundero.. One in the way of Sea and drop Pad 863 Mitra Kutumb Dhan bhavan Mam, Samridh Kripa Kar Tasa.. Friend Family wealth,mansion of me, Well to do (due to ) mercy of Hand of them(Khalsa) no diference between Me,God And Khalsa . Das has not done explanation of all but a few realvant lines. They state Khalsa as body,Staguru and Family of Guru Gobind Singh Ji.In a family can a people from differnt caste exist ? Das says no. This is third religeon and Pahul of Khanda is to be taken by all(As Bhai Gurdas IInd wrote). Now das comes on Hazur Sahib episode(If some one from Hazur Sahib code is there then kindly inform das if he goes wrong). There is a Chavani of Nihungs over there at Gurudwara of Mata Sahib Kaur(Devan). The Nihungs there tell by oral traditions that on the occasion of Vaishakhi 1799 a day before Guru told Mata that she will be given a son who will reamain till world reamain.That son is Khalsa.Not lower or higher but equal. So as in Hazur Sahib Das has seen that be it Nihungs or non Nihungs there every person can get baptism.Yes non punjabi local of 'lower 'caste can get baptism with other 'high' born Punjabis,Many of them even become better Gyanis then Punjabi,There is a training establishment been run in Sach Khand Abchal Nagar Hazur Sahib(it is shamefull when some sgpc supporter from Punjab call Hazur Sahib people as propogator of Brahmanism as rather party who is in majority in sgpc is having a tie up with Hinduva forces). Das salutes Singhs of Hazur Sahib for that.BUT as it happened in Safpur Hastinapur(West UP) ,that sgpc and Sewapanthis hurridly Baptised few hindu Jats into Sikhism but they could not resist Biri Samoking and huqqa smoking and they soon became Patit.Das is not sure but in Bidar also Das did see Sabat Surat Lambaid smoking Biri.May be we was not a Sikh or may be not an Amritdhari.But All Sikhs institutions who carry out Baptism either in Punjab,Delhi ,Bihar or Nandeed (Mahrshtra) must make sure that the person about to undergo is strong enough to desist addiction to smoking. Five beloved one did passed the test by offering there life but what about any person just trying to be Sikh,Say for personal interest.Safguard must be taken in that regard.Das also wants to tell that it is real that five beloved one were real person.The native palces of them are known,caste of there hindu ancestor were known,Three of them were from Sudra varn hindu ancestor.There was a Gurudwara in Gujrat,which will be renovated soon comemrating the one of three,who was from Gujrat.They did take Amrit and they did give KhandeDhar Pahul to Guru so was Guru Ape Guru Chela(As per Bhai Gurdas). So that thing is not in Nihungs of Majha either.Das had known some one from them. Coming to Budh Dal,One of its Jathedar ,who was first Badshah of Sikhs,Sultan ul qaum ,Jassa Singh Ahluwal was having a sudra ancestors as Kalal(in Bihar hindu Kalal are there,Kalal make alchohal).He was nurutrured in Delhi by no one else but Mother(s) of Sikhs(wife of Tenth Guru).He was then brought back in Punjab by Nawab Kapur Singh(his ancestors were Virk or Solanki Jats) and Mother of Jassa Singh was sister of Faith of Nawab Kapur Singh.He was eating food in the house of Maternal uncle of Jassa Singh,Perhaps he first met Jassa Singh/his mother or Jassa Singh was given into his care. Legend in Nihungs is that as Jassa Singh Ahluwal use to speak hindi so Punjabi speaking Sikhs use to make fun of him.so he went to Jathedar of Panth Nawab Kapur Singh and complained him.Nawab Said,Dear Jassa Singh ! Singh are Ladli Fauj(petsered Army) of Guru ,If they make fun of you consider your self fortunate,Have servitude in them,They have made me Nawab,They may make you Badshah! This did happen.Just for today to tell whole of the world that Jathedar of Budhadal had sudra Kalal acestors he made a coin with inscription in farsi Sikkh Yafat Dar Jahan Ba Fazl e Akal coin obtained in world with Mercy of Akal Ahamad Mulk Girafte Jassa Kalal Ahamd Shah Abdali Kingdom holding Jassa Kalal or Ahmad is name of Mustfa annexxing (who had So Muslim rule is called humble Nijam e mustafa Linage of Kalal) This can mean Muslim rule So it was Budha Dal who made Sudra as King of Sikhs.Even in Muslim rule same thing did not happen in India. So in India's Budha dal,Person from those families who are half hindu/half Sikh and had tendency to use tobbaco(Das's Father and 3 elder brother use tobbaco so das does not share food with them or even with his rest of hindu family).Sikhs with Jats ancestors are totaly Sikh family(at present in then also there are many Patita and smokers).So with total Sikh family Amrit Sanskar is differnt from one ,on whom there is still a doubt of smoking.Das wants to tell you there are many people in India ,who use the garb of Nihung just for personal use like using free railways.It is expected from them that they may smoke in secrate. But then again in budhdal only these people have a probation period. Once it is find oout that they are fully Sikh and moving for higher esteems of sprituality they are broghout in main fold.There children or them are baptied as per other Sikhs. Baba Nidder Singh Ji Called them reaching at the sate of Brahm Gyan.Sahin NarSingha can confirm it. But in UK,there Nihungs of Budhadal are least bothered about caste.Das has shared food with them.Das as per Manu Samriti is below Sudra because mother of Das is from Khatri Family and father from lowest of Vaishyas.So due to Partiloan Vivah Das is by Birth Pancham Varna lower then sudra.But BudhDal of UK so far has neve descriminated Das for that. Be it education of Martial art or be it food. Lastly das want to put forward a point that he discussed about quistion you raised,With Jathedar of UK. In future other Safe guard can be taken regarding not going to spoil the body of Amrit Dhari by using tobacco and people from any family backgraound BA FAZL E AKAL soon be taking Amrit Togather. Das has just come accross a case where an Afghan lady wants to marry a boy ,whose father are Sikhs.So in our Case say in Nirmala we can convert them.Das think that Nihungs also may do the same. Das seeks guidance of all for the future. (as per Sau Sakhi,in future in The Army of Guru ie Khalsa,There will be many Persons from Muslims,Europian(so Called White),Mongol or may Be African(So Called Black) anscestors.Time now for Nihungs is to be ready to welcome them . Das thing using term of race or colouer is agaisnt the princeple of Gurmat so he never use term Gora or Kala). Forgive das if wrong is written.

Gurfateh Parwan ho! SM Singh Sahib Ji, Here das starts a few things. Das is not aware about what Nirmalas of Punjab say or Punjabi dominated Deras do.Das still could not contact his own Dera but via Punjabi known person a few deatils regrading Baba Ram Singh Jis Ashram as follow:- Mahant can be any one who does good service to the community.In there website one Sant has surname sodhi,Sodhi can be one with hindu Khari Ancestors with dynasty of Kush(or luv Das does not rember exact) and lived in towen Sanorh(Vichitra Natak).Sodhi is also a surmane of hindu caste who are Nayak/Gola/Barber.So this thing is false that all Jats can be Mahant.Ture Nirmala does not sees the caste.not even the Bad deeds of Past as Akal reforms all. Next regarding Amrit Dhran. First Nirmala may give a sort of Diksha or Nam Dharan(Radha Swami Shiv Dayal Singh was Nirmala and had Taken Naam from them only,He only started a Branch of Nirmala calling it Panth of Anami(Nameless Akal).Only two of his follower Rai Bahdur Saligram and Jaimal Singh(of Beas) seprated it from Khalsa,The younger Brother of Shiv Dayal Singh became a respected Nirmala by Baba Atal (Swaroop) Singh.He was Vrindvan Singh). So a Nam Dhari/dixit can be without 5ks.That person can be a patit or clean shaven.Then that person is told to do Simran and Sewa of Sangat . The same person when he/she reaches a high spritual level then askes for Amrit Sanskar. Female can also be Baptised.Sant/Mahant intiates Baptism. Nirmalas allow Idols.So that an Idol worshipper too come to them and do not fall into the trap of misguiding Panda etc. They do not have any seperate Granth of there own but all Granth of Sikhs and Even non Sikhs are respected by them. so now das comes on history part. Suraj Prakash Granths Katha(Explaination of history) was done in one Gurudwara related to Rara Sahib.Das privately asked about Nirmalas history to Kath Vachak(perfomer of Katha) about Nirmala history. das was told that yes in Suraj Prakash also there is a mention of Nirmalas. So Das first saw Bhai Veer Singh version but as it was Gurmukhi script in Braj dialect das could not find it(Das Gurumukhi script is not very good so Gurbani in Nagri is easyly understood by Das). Then das came acrross the version of Suraj Prakash by Pandit Narayan Singh Gyani(Mujang ,Lahore) By Giani Trilok Singh. This too was in Gurmukhi but language was Punjabi and instead of poetry it was in article type explantion.Das also checked another version of Suraj Prakash Granth. So as told in that Granth,There is a mention of Nirmalas. It starts that Gurudev in Paonta made many Pathan fighers as mercenaries. Employed Rajpoots wariiers too including Vachitar Singh. Likewise in education/art also 52 poets were in court. THEN NIRMALAS ARE MENTIONED FIVE SIKHS WERE SENT TO BENARAS TO STUDY SANSKRIT.THEY ARE AT PRESENT CALLED NIRMALAS AND PREACH SIKHI IN THE REOMTE AREAS OUT OF PUNJAB. In other version perhaps the name were also given. After that letter of Punjab Kaur (wife of Ram Ray) to Gurudev is metioned. Das has only given the summery(all things occuerd in Paonta Sahib). Book of Prof Sahib Singh gives date of there going to Benras as Samwat 1742 Vikrami and that place at present called Chetanmatth.Yes in Benaras this more then 3 hundred year old institution of Nirmala still remains.had it been hoax then all this proof were not there.Five initial Nirmalas name are still there. Regarding the concept of Oral traditions,There is no book das has come accross which since the times of Gurus Say 'Tu Thakur Tum Pe Ardas.. ' or 'Tudh/Jh Agay Ardas Hamari..' from Adi Guru Darbar is to be sung before Ardas.or sometime Ardas can starts just like that.Maybe das is wrong. May this is also written in any book to say at last of Ardas 'Nanak Naam Chradi Kala..' Das here only wanted to sat Oral Traditions also are something. Next das come to Pandit Raghunath episode.In Suraj Prakash Granth (which das is quoting) it is NOT there.They were sent for education and gain knowledge in Benras.Some books state that they went in the form of saffron Clad so that considering them Brahmins the Brahmins may impart there trade secrates of Ayurveda or Astronomy to them else if they would have found them non Hindus they may not have been considered. One writer calls it final assault in the bastion of Brahmins.They were a few families who were keeping secrates knwoleges of India restricted to them.Gurudev wanted whole mankind to get light of it.That was the task of covert mission of Nirmalas. So if Pandit Raghunath ever refused them.. First how can Gurudev have a court Pandit,Was he a hindu who needs Pandit in court. Answer could be that we was not a pandit or prist but a schoolar kept in court to imapart knowledge. Maybe these five men were from bachground of labour intensive jobs.To teach 'wild' people may not have been within the capability of Pandi RaghuNath so he might have told Gurudev his incapability and not unwillingness,Das 's assumption can be wrong here.Urban people get education faster then rural as the intial 5 Nirmalas.Or perhaps that was the reason that they dressed up like Brahcharis so that Pandits of Benaras understand that they a tough Brahmcharis and expert could teach them.These all are assumptions of das and can be wrong. Das would also like to clarify to any of his hindu brother who thinks that Nirmalas are Brahmins as often they carry title of Pandit.Yes Nirmalas are Pandits,Brahmins as per old scriptures of Hindus and as per Adi Guru Darbar but they are not always born in the family of Brahmins. There birth can be in Jat,Teli,Jatav or Valmiki family but dust of the feet of Guru Roop Sadh Sangat(Good company in the form of Guru) Make them Brahmins or Pandits. Lastly not only Suraj Prakash Granth has mention of Nirmala. Das has seen the Maryad(code of cunduct) written by Bhai Daya Singh Pyra.He has Maryada for Sikhs like Akalis,Nihungs and seprate extra do or donts in Maryada of Nirmalas. Bhai Sahib were contempray of Gurudev and he wrote it after becoming Singh.So Nirmalas are Singh also.There Maryada contains something extra then rest of Sikhs due to nature of there jobs. Das as yet did not get the Granth Mangal Prakash(it was Panj Sau Sakhi) but at prsent called Sau Sakhi as only hundered testomonies still remain. Das will give update from it after reading it ,whenever possible. (Note: Not only Namdharis,But Sanatan Sikhs also read Sau Sakhi,So are Tat Khalsa,So are Damdami Taksal and So Are honourable Akhand Kirtani Jatha,Namdharis rather misinterpret sau Sakhi,Like when Guru Talks of his form in futre it is Khalsa ,the special form of Guru and not Baba Ram Singh Ji,Baba Ram Singh Ji were great Sikh,role model for us,his sacrifise is respected and even considerd as trend setter for all Sikhs alike,If RSS uses the name of lord Rama does not make him wrong,so Namdharis using name of Baba Ram Singh Ji odes not make him wrong either) Das tendr apology if something wrong is written.

Ek Oankar Wahiguru Ji Ki Fateh Imam Sahib by the mercy of Allah are hail and hearty,enjoying Nans and kebabs of Delhi. He can be contacted at Jama Masjid of Delhi,he gives sermons from the ramport of the Mosque each friday(Jumma's prayer). Interesting thing was that during last Lok Sabha election,he was teling Muslims here to support BJP,which claims to be hindu nationlist party. Pity,If such are parties who represent Hindus and lobby to get support of Imam for vote.Akal may bless all. Das just want to bring in point here. Present head of BJP Mr Advani was emmbraced by letters sent to respected K C Sudershan JI(Head of RSS) and ex PM of India ,who is termed as abdul bukhari hajpayee(das does not know why) by Bajrang Dal.The letters were from his former Daughter in law,telling that Mr Advani abused her physically and mentally.

Ek Oankar Wahiguru Ji Ki Fateh Wait for a while ! Raju Bhai Ji you said that das is willing you to potray you as weak and coward. Das did not say that but you took it like that.This means that such things are there in in you,hidden somewhere. Das does not want to make this site a site of anti hindu slander but regarding Somnath,Own Gujrati Swami Dayanand Sarswati wrote about how did Hindus postrated in front of idol,Whithout any support from ground.The old idol due to miracle or science was hanging in air and a ring could hve been able to paas via it. Due to this Hindus rely that it will show the miracle and did not fight.More of prists were there,who did not know to fight.Better ask Arya Samajis from Naya Bans,Khari Baoli,Delhi-6.That is contested by very own Hindus. Regarding cowradice in Hindus das never said .Often hindus did fight in all three ages but that was never for Hinduism but for the nation.As Hindu itself means Indian(this makes das still a Hindu inspite of his conversion from Hinduism to Sikhism). You are talking about Chimta dhari Bairagis or Naga Sanyasi,If they had power why did not they restore Aydhya,Mathura ,Kashi. They live near there.In fact some of the Naga Sanyasis were employed by Bangash Rulers of Farrukhbad,UP. Thing is that even the whole family of Gokul Raya of tilpat,first Jat revolter was converted to Islam.(During the Aurangzeeb's rule). Das like many other Sikhs from Sanatan Dhrama refuse to recoganise Hinduism as religeon and we mean it and we can prove it.Shaheed is the term from Arebic. This means witness or what you call in Sanskrit Amar. In Sikhism,that person is called one who die or even declare to die in the name of God.Even with Gita the freedom fighter were dying for Bharat Mata,Who can never be God but a fiction of imagination of writer of her Arti you call it Vande Matram.As India is an arteficial (manmade) entityso is Hinduism. Your school of Dr. Oak/RSS etc can try there level best to prove that hinduism is a religeon is nothing else but trying to give mutual solace to your ego that since ages you too have 'a faith'. Das used term hinduism and not Sanatan Dhrama because you may not be knowing that Mohamud Bin Qasim could not win the whole India but his succeser Junaid was defeated by Bapa Rawal(rawal pindi is after him).Many Sanatan Dhramis made successfull sacrifies.non was Hindu. There spritual mentor Matesendra Nath or Gorkh nath did not know the word Hindu,Nirankar was the one they worshipped by Hath(stubborn) Yoga. Sikhs use Raj Yoga.Maratha,Jats,Rajpoots,Bundelas of of then were castes or Regional factions often taking help of others. Only Khalsa is a Faith,which uniterd all.It is something near to the religeon. If you are Hindu no problem in the eye of Sikh all are equal.Das can say one more thing Perhaps das is remembering a great Shaheed of Hindus. Yes a Hindu converted to Sikhism salutes him.Das is sorry but you should be more sorry that you either have forgoottan him or like other Hindus,who are ungreatfull forgot him. Das is thinkin of Shaheed Nathuram Godse,And one VN Apte and ML Pahwa.Das is sorry but they could be the one who could be said to have died for Faith. And what about Kothari Brothers(do you know who they are). But in all the cases non of them ever come in the situation when they were told Islam or death. Yes Haqiqat Rai was asked but he chose death.He was not the Devi Worshipper(see the link given above).Person like das who is Sikh,Is an idol breaker.Das took all the idols in his house(after becoming Sikh and did a justice to them).But das is a Sikh,If someone insults the old avtar of Akal,(in case of Hariqat Singh,it could be Durga,but sites refuses this) Say some one insult Rama.A Hindu can tolrate it but Das is Sikh,The true Sanatan Dharami.It can not be tolrated by us. Better is to learn something from Sikhs.It is shamefull that people at those time did not write history.This means they hads no value for there Shaheeds(if any).Just try to separate a religeon and nationalism.A Nationalism can never be a Religeoan it is only a tribal identity. Had Hindus been doing Sacrifises,Sikh Dharam may not have came into being and Hindu Rashtra would have in existance since long.Kindly read the link given by Das above and you will understand what Das is opposing. Das realy say one things to other Sikhs on this site.For Hinduism better are Taksalis ,AkJ or Missioanries ,who say let Sikh remain Sikh and Hindu a Hindu. But Sanatan Dhram refuses to recoganise hinduism as a religeon.Aurangzeb did kill Bundela king as well as Satnamis but in that case who had to run away did run(Sikhs also took tacktical retreats Nihungs call it Dhai Fatt) but no one can be like Bhai Mani Singh Ji ,who inspite of bribe been given to jailwarden refuse to leave jail.Haqiqat rai or Haqiqat Singh or Subeg Singh(Of Nawab Kapur Singh Era or Shahbaz Singh) all had a time to run away death if they converted to Islam.But they were Sikhs and did not give up. Das is sorry that he misinformed Sangat but NR Godse can be termed as Hindu Shaheed.It can be only decided that if he has made up the mind for death penalty even before he accomplished his mission. There is no need for hindutva(another false notion) to rewrite History.Only need is to recoganise that there is a long historic Saga of many Sanatan Sikhs even before did first Master took Avtaar. As per Sau Sakhi, There were Brahmins,Who refused to Budhism,The sort of Hinduism(other sects are jainism,Arya Samaj,Vaishnavism etc. all have something common,ie matterealism.The dualism or Dawait bhav,Such person can not be shaheed).So they were prosecuted but they adhre to One God Akal.They left India and maved in another nations,They are the Jews. If Hindus can not understand the hard language of a Sikh.Then no problem learn it from Jews. or learn it from Islam,from Hazrat Mansoor Rahmat ul Alleh. Coming Back,Hindutva or Hinduism is the biggest hindernce due to hypocracy(4hs) and is useless for Hindus. That can not lead to Sacrifise. Pandit Ram Prasad Ji Bismil and Pandit Somnath Ji Shrama(1st Indian to get Param Veer Chakra) died on the way of Bharat Mata or mother India(a man made concept as national boundries are man made).They did not die for the casue of God,who makes man. Jo Bole So Abhye Sanatan Dhram Ki Jai Jo Bole So Nihal Sat Shri Akal. Raju Bhai hum apke Apne hai We are your own,for you. Get out of the utopia of Hinduism.Arya(civilised human,who is Sanatan(eternal ,who is God)Dhrami(faith in Rightiousness)) use to rule the whole world.It is termed as Brhamavart or Brahm(matter) Avaert(Circle) so all meter in circle around the world was of Arya. Due to Kali(yuga) that was nothing more but the influence of Pagan and tribal culture ,which were often intersting,aryas became Anarya.They started to worship stones,idols,clouds,deads,animals and so on and so forth and forgot the Sanatan God.This lead to there defeat and even last refuge India is in danger of getting annexxed. Sikh have no difficulty for your idolatory but it will be of no use in this world and in the world after this world.Niether Somnath(the lord of moon,there god moon did a sort of Tapsya to appease god shanker to over come a problem) helped hindus during any attackes on them. nor can any person dying to protect it can be termed as Shaheed. In Islam form where you and we have taken the word Shaheed,Shaheed is one who dies for God or His faith.Hinduism fits no bill.Sanatan Dhrama and its only practicle living form Khalsa order fills the bill.Conflict bitween your and Dases views is the conflict of spritualist-Thocratic views and ethno-National views. You are most welcome on the forum of Sikhs.After learning Sikh you will be doing a great jobs to benefit hindus.Haqiqat Rai Singh was a similar one. Akal bless you. Akal bless Bharat. Akal(eternal or Sanatan) bless whole world. Sarve Bhavntu Sukhinah Sarve Santu Nirmayah. Sarve Bhadranhi Pashyantu,Ma Kashricht Duhkh Bhagbhavet..

Ek Oankar Wahiguru Ji Ki Fateh Often maney hindu brothers state two young hindu shaheeds during medivial times. Haqiqat Rai and Samba JI Bhosle. Later was son of Shivaji, Other sources also say the same that he was killed by Aurangzeb not for his patriotism but was caught by moghals due to his weaknesses of imorality. This can be verified from Triya Chritars of Dasham Guru Darbar, Sambha Ji Had bad eye on a Brahman Girl.That devi saved herself by misguiding Sambhji into the trap of muslims. Second Haqiqat Rai was in reality Haqiqat Singh As usual Dr Oaks fabrics or such brand of Fabricated history works behind this see the link below and decide http://www.khalsaalliance.org/articles/kbhshrs_0304.pdf Das begs that if someone is good in Punjabi unlike das then translation of text is a good idea.

Ek Oankar Wahguru Ji Ki Fateh Das is only interseted to know the views of fellow Sikhs regarding Baba Vabhag Singh Ji and concept of Ghost/Ghost busting in Sikhism.

Gur Fateh Parwan Ho! Wahiguru Ji Ka Khalsa Wahiguru Ji Ki Fateh From unreliable sources das has come accross a fact that during a proceesion by sindhis in nagpur(on The Prakash Parv of First Master),A person was dressed like him and paraded with the procession. It is furhter said that a right wing hindu outfit located in nagpur is allaged behind it. Sikhs may retaliate by dressing a donkey with mask of a former PM of India and present Head of that outfit. Das is a supporter of Bajrang Dal.Das agrees to it. But Mentality of Bajrang Dal is like that of Hindu Mahsabha or Veer Savarker.RSS/Jansangh/BJP move on the idealogy of 'GuruJI' Gowelker. Since then only Saverker Ji were the worst critic of the policy of Sangh. Any insider of Sikhism knows the realtion between Babber Khalsa and Damadami Taksal under Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa. If Kala Afghana or Babbers use name of Sant Ji then this does not means that that they adhere to there policies too. Same could be said between the realtion of Bajrang Dal and VHP on one end and RSS/BJP on other.For an outsider both are same but for person like das there is a lot of difference. Coming back to main question If report from nagpur is true then what is wrong in dressing a person like First Master. As per as Arya Samaji maternal Back Graund of Das,Drama of Rama or playing role like him are hated as more preference is given to be like Rama in real life then making fun of Rama by mimicking him. das just wanted to know that is it only a hoax or a reality that such thing happen in nagpur. In Past also Das had heard that Sanagat of Nanded is not happy by Mr Pramood Mahajan for his alleged remarks of Black mailing them. Third thing is utternce of mr Modi CM of Gujrat reagrding 12 o clock and Sikhs on TV. Das just wants to know that are they only propoganda to malign the image of BJP etc. in Sikhs(say by oppositon parties to bjp) or is there any substance of truth in them. Das awaits your response

Gurfateh! from link below http://www.esamskriti.com/html/new_inside....sid=61&count1=1 Das got what balbeer Punj is harping since long due to lack of knowledge of Vedanta and Gurmat(see Var 1 of Bhai Gurdas) Here GN is used for First Master. here GHG is used for Sixth Nanak Das can say that Karma ,deeds, are secondary for Sikhs but Arebic word of Karamu or mercy of Akal is of prime importance. These hindutva people try there best to fit Gurmat in hindutva model for that they often try to twist the fact. This hurts us.Our Sixth Guru left his son Ram Rai for attempt to twists the truth.There such attempts only helps the anti hindu elements among us that there point is correct and all hindus are like that. Das hopes that all hindus must not interfere with our faith. That is must for Hindu Sikh unity.And all hindus are not foolish and childish like that.

Ek Oankar Wahiguru Ji Ki Fateh Das agrees to SM Singh on one point,Some people remain Jats from within inspite of Becoming to look like Sikh. As far as fake tat Khalsa hypocrtes are concerned this true. As per a Sikh,whith Dalit hindu ancestors. Reason for seperate Ramdasia,Ravidasia or Valmiki place of worship is due to 'high Caste' people not allowing the member with Dalit hindu ancestor any say in management of Gurudwaras. In Bhatinada area das has heard that there are even some Gurudwaras where people having contradictory name 'Dalit Sikh' are not allowed. To the some extent orgainsers are justified because often These Brother with Hindu Dalit ancestors also do some wrong things like, Still maintaining the old hindu tradition of idol worshipping of Ravidas Ji or Valmiki Ji(Both are respected in US but not worshiped) or Calling term Guru Ravidas.But with encouraging them to assimilate with Sikhism they can be eduacted and they will bouond to shun these practices ,which is there habit,that makes them to cling to pre Sikh caste identity. But worst thing done by some former tat khalsa people for which Panth will never forgive them is something else:- Dr. Bhim Rao Ambedkar wanted to convert to our faith.He was to be followed by 6,00,00,000 persons.He could not do.present day missionaries related to AKJ or Kala Afghana(later type of 'purist' of Adi Guru Darbar still argue for Jat cause and say that at a time one person can be jat and Sikh,term they use is Jatsikh(see http://www.sikhsundesh.net/jats.html))So such people blame congress or Mr MK Gandhi for Mr Ambedkar failure to be Sikh. A person like Ambedkar,always remained ,a pain in neck for Mr Gandhi,how can Gandhi Ji could change his plan. So where the things go wrong ? Das is not giving the name but many 'Sikh Leaders' of that time were giving more value to there position or chair. There views were how can we give our Golden Temple to Six Crore untouchables.Non of them had enough confidance to counter the personality of Ambedkar so they feared that if he is made a Sikh,He will overshadow them in leadership and may become leader. So today Sikhs are only 2.5 crores.Irony is that today the alternative religeon(Ambedkar chose to be converted) ,budhism is on comeback trail in India.There population is slowly increaesing.It shamefull that many Dalits of Punjab have also converted to Budhism. Unlike Sikhism,Which preaches self respect and love to nation,These neo budhists often dance on the tune of there western oh! sorry that is the case for Christians,these guys dance on the tune of Eastern masters ie Japan. They are always filled with haterd not towards hinduism but towards the majority community of India ie Hindus.Those few short sighted leaders just in order to maintain there 'jat' majority in Panth had made a big harm for the welfare of Panth. But is not yet over.Sikhs may be given or rather are given another chance by Akal and this time do not repeat the mistake. Some pseudo hindutva forces also are trying to spread hoax that all Sikhs institutions are run by 'jat mafia' and equality in Panth is not practicle.Sikhs like those hindutva fools are also covertly castist(They think us like them).Things are neither so bleak. Das can say this thing at least for Taksalis and Nirmalas(and other Sanatan Dharmis as well).For that to put some thing on Nirmalas das asks the permission from SM Singh Ji. Das also Ask him question, What value of Suraj Prakash Granth of Kavi Churhmani Santokh Singh Ji has in his(SM Singh Ji's) eyes?Is it OK or not?

Ek Oankar Wahiguru Ji Ki Fateh Dear SM Singh Ji, Charan Sparsh(Das touches your feet) Das can say a few words regarding 'casteism' in Budha Dal.Das seeks your permission but also seeks an answer from you. In Hazur Sahib(Nanded),If Lambari(Nomad),Banjara(Trader Namad) or Sikligar(Blacksmith) wants to have Amrit ,what is a procedure there ? (das is Happy by this that in that Area,unlike in Malwa Area(Around Takhat Damdama Sahib) Sikhism is popular in local non Punjabis also) Das awaits your answer.

Wahiguru Ji Ka Khalsa Wahiguru Ji Ki Fateh Prsent day 'Akli dals' and many a factions like badal etc. are using the name which was given to Nihungs. untill and unless these self aclaimed Akalis do not undergo baptism from Nihungs they can not be called Akalis. Nihungs took first control of many a Gurdwaras from curropt people in Hazur sahib area. Bhai Mahakal Singh attained Martyerdom in this stuggle. likewise shaheed Bagh in Anandpur Sahib was taken by Nihungs from people ,who were occupiing it becouse some of there forefather had been an offspring of our Gurus. they call it Guru Ansh . The people ,who did similar acts to take control of Gurudwaras during Gurudwara Sudhar movement.They were told doing it like Akalis(Nihungs) did. slowly the same people started to be known as Akali and made a ploitical grouping of them too but they are Akalis only by chance and not by truth.

Ek Oankar Wahiguru Ji Ki Fateh AP is an Indian state ruled by a neo convert from hinduism to chritianity YRajShekher Reddy CM. There hindu Shankaracharya was jailed by Indian police on charges of murder. Das has bit of information about this ShankaraCHARYA, 1, He was trying to end hindu muslim dispute of Babri mosques and Ram Janam Bhoomi and that too piecefully,While many politicial want it still burning for votes. 2,He also worked for the upliftment of hindu dalits,he wanted them to be equal with rest of the hindus. 3.He advocated the reconversion of those Dalits who left hinduism by frudelent methods. (Last to racial people in india did not like). He has murder charge OK,It is a Big charge. But any other charge like provcation against public peace or warrents and summons also are big. Puting in jail is equally importent for those with other charges as for murder. Das has a few questions better some hindu or a learned Sikh answers 1. When in terrorists are trapped in Hazratbal,shrine is not stromed ,they are given foof,including biryani.And on vacting the premises they are let loose. But when it came to Our Harimandir Sahib complex in 1984,Das will not elaborate but why the double standards ? 2. When Sant Jarnail Singh Ji were in Complex Law enforcing agencies tryed to catch him,As for them he was encouraging the violence. He was the head of Great Sikh Seminari Damdami Taksal . Same here is the Case with Shankracharya But In Delhi Jama Masjid we have an Imam(Head priest) his name is Ahmad Bukhari,this guy has openly Declared that he is an Agent of ISI,There are many summons and Warrents on his head,Recently he puched an officer on duty who was removing the slum where illegal imigrentfrom Bangladesh were living. His father(Former Imam,Abdullah Bukhari) also puched a gazzatted officer Mr A Pradhan once,while Mr. Pradhan was on duty. Why till this day they are not punished? Is law of India only for Hindus and Sikhs and not for others?

Wahiguru Ji Ka Khalsa Wahiguru Ji Ki Fateh Kindly take a deep into life of Bhai Mani Singh Ji, Das has just obtained an information that there were 13 people including Bhai Mani Singh Ji who are fore father of Nirmalas. Once a Sikh then no Jat or Brahmin,So Sikhs sent by Gurudev were Sikhs for him but Jatt for Pandit Raghunath Ji. Lastly when a non Jat and a non Punjabi (Das him self is from Bihari Sahu or teli family)is giving the testomony of casteless and regionismless nature of Nirmalas thhen what else proof you need. Pradhan Singh47 Sahib. There are many Nirmala deras in Das's state where Mahant is non Punjabi even forget about jatt. We are not like the Brahmins put in negitive term of Chhandogy upnishad that we keep on distrusting us. We have all freternity of Khalsa.Das want to put to you that if you could trust a fellow Sikh(das) then trust that as such there is no caste based things in true Nirmalas. Often the deras are run under trust,where Mahant is more like a rubber stamp.Mahant is not the head of Dera but head servent of the dera(monestry),who as to serve all humans,Nirmalas or non Nirmalas alike.often some mahant do not make thier own family considering human race as thier family. Often various deras are closely linked by a democratic set up of Parliamenat called Panchayat(which is in turn is part of Greater Akahra Parishad,Which also include other hindus or udasis or niranjanis(r they not the same of Baba hindal ? Akharas).But deras are autonomous.Panchayat intervenes if any thing against the code is happening in any deras.Matters can go to legal court too. As Khalsa order Nirmala can be summoned for Tankha from Takhats. Das is about to confirm it. On demand five beloved can baptise a female. In history at the start of 20th centuary when female were not given baptism like male,A sant from the Nirmala order also has said that they too need salvation and hence Amrit. It was in tune with the idealogy of Prof Gurumukh Singh and Bhai Sahib Bhai Randheer Singh. Das think idealogy factor is clear. Das tenders an appology if wrong or offending words are typed.

Ek Oankar Wahiguru Ji Ki Fateh Das is interested to know that does whole or Part of Bani of Tenth Nanak Guru Gobind Singh Ji is online,it could be from Dasham Guru Darbar or Sarbloh Guru Darbar.

Wahiguru Ji Ka Khalsa Wahiguru Ji Ki Fateh First Das wants to request Brother Shaka Nyori that we need to have an official websites on Nirmalas like we have on nihungs or sevapanthis,this will bring to rest all the controversies and misinformation often used by pseudo hindutva forces or Christian missionaries. To Pradhan Singh47 Ji, In Bihar / East UP there are maney a nirmala Ashrams etc where whole staff is non Punjabi and local. Official Amrit by 5 beloved is encouraged by Nirmal Kutias in rishikeshh and perhaps in Karnal. Lastly as per Panthic scholar Sohan Singh Sheetal(Das may be wrong with initial name),in his book in punjabi 'Sikh Raj Kivein Banya',How was the Sikh Rule made.Bhai Mani Singh Ji (who was Rajput or Sikligar(Blacksmith nomad) Before conversion(conversion means his becoming Mani Singh from Mania(old non Singh name) or we could say that his hindu ancestors were Rajputs or sikligers),use to wear the white dress and was the founder meber of Nirmala order. Das wanted it to confirm it from Vidvaans as after Gurudevs leaving Ananadpur Sahib,he too left Punjab and with mothers(wives of Gurudev) went to Delhi(he returned to Punjab to bring peice in warring Bandii factionn and Tatt khalsa faction on the command of Holy Mother(s). same is true for Nirmalas as they too left Punjab after the vacating of Anandpur Sahib. In Agra near Delhi we have a Gurudwara related to Ninth Master under Nirmala control in past. So if Nirmalas are related to bhai Mani singh Ji,Then as he is Mahapurush of Damdami Taksal so this will means that Damdami Taksal have a lot common with Nirmalas. As per personal expienrace of Das,Even during 1984 when Taksal was having struggle time and even today both the Taksal and Nirmalas have mutual respect to each other. There could be some historical factor behind that. das repeats,that Das himself is non jat and non Punjabi as far as his pat history of hinduism is concerned.while he was only a hindu ,Das did not find any descrimination based on his social backgraound in nirmala Dera inn Haridwar or in Allahbad. Das tenders an applogey before hand if something wrong is said,but Das's first interaction with Sikhism started with Nirmalas and as a result he is a Khalsa today.That is the reason that he takes so much interest in Nirmala matters. SOME EXTRA OFF THE TOPIC(just for reaesarch and annlysis) One more thing,Nirmalas support vegitarian diet. And are strong in Patna Sahib area .Bhai Randheer Singh of AKJ also took one hukkam nammah from the same Takht in which it was written by Sixth Master to not to go near meat or fish(das discussed this on the website of Damdami Taksal). While Takhat of Hazur Sahib is not anti Meat eater as such. like wise recent order from Akal Takhat opposeing RSS 's outfit Rashterya Sikh Sangat had signature of Jathedar of Patna Sahib and not from Hazur Sahib. So as it will devaite the topic dAS ONLY WANTED TO SAY unlike many missionaries often blame that two takhat out side Punjab are hub of Brahmanical views and hand in glow,It was only for them as real hindutva people have nexus with the one who is in majority position of sgpc.

Ek Oankar Wahiguru Ji Ki Fateh No one can fill the gap for the permanent seperation. but by God 's will we are compelled. In this hour we all are with brother Amril Pal Singh Ji. May Akal bless the family and bestow us the strenght to face this.

Ek Oankar Wahiguru Ji Ki Fateh visit site www.army.mod.uk There you can apply online. you should be commenwealth(including Indian,australian or canadian) citizen or Irish national or British citizen. If you are dual citizen one of it shouold be british. more details will be there on website. it is not compulsary that you should be in UK for application. age for making application from overseas 16 to 29 years best of luck

Ek Oankar Wahiguru Ji Ki Fateh First why Ram is reapeated in Adi Guru Darbar why lord Rama respectted in Panth and worshipped in hindusim were named Ram. so name of Dashrath 'son lord Rama was Ramchandra maharaj other name of this Great prophet sent by Akal(God) were Raghav,Rajeev,Awadhesh etc. Meaning of Ramchandra is Moon form God or Moon(Chandra of GoD) as he was there like a moon to spread light of God. Ram is termed Rammaya by Saint Namdev(who is often termed as hindu While we call him Sikh or Sanatan Dharmi) that means Ramma ie Absorbed in all universe. As whole universe each atom has Akal in it. Thats why God is Ram. We were told to keep 5ks by tenth master at the end of Dasham Guru Darbar,It is treated equally with Adi Guru Darbar. If non Sikh who wants to be Sikh needs a probation period sort of a Thing to be full sikh with 5ks that person duirng probation period is called Sahij dhari Sikh,A slow adopting Sikh.This period may last more then a single birth and that person can becomea Sikh in next birth. But a Sikh who become (un) clean shaven is called fallen or Patit and nothing more. Das was a Hindu,By mercy of Akal,within single birth Akal bestowed 5ks to him. Sikh without kes is like Jungle without tree. Sorry if wrong is written anyway das wants to know why this 'ideal' new age 'Sikh' is banned from respected admin ? What other things like this our brother New age 'sikh' has written? May be he needs some councelling .

Ek Oankar Wahiguru Ji Ki Fateh Das as you all know due to his radical views can spoil the atmosphere of that site, So das requests you to kindly show Hindu Brothers over there ,the true light. Let them see there own scriptures like Vedas,Upnishads,Brahmsutra among other which preach One God. Let them Know how Sanatan Dharam is wider than hinduism, Let them know that nowhere in Dasham Guru Darbar we are told to worship Hindu Gods. Sikhs know that,But it will be kind of you if you let Hindu brothers and sisters understand this. It will be good for Hindu brothers if they understand the truth and leave childish attempt to prove us as a sect of Hinduism. Lastly Das want those Hindus to be in constant touch with people like you(moderators and other Panthic vidvaan of this site) so that they too get influnce of Sikhism on them.As Sikhawarness is not only for Sikhs but equally for non Sikhs too and what is its use if it does not make non Sikhs aware of Sikhism. may Akal help you in this mission.

Ek Oankar Wahiguru Ji Ki Fateh well as das told before here it comes. Guru Updesh Sikhkhan Prati Bhashan,Mudrit Kuchchh Kes Kirpan. (Sarbloh Granth,Budhdal Version Bhag 3,Adhyay 5th,Pad 860) This litterary means Preaching of Guru Spoken(Speech) towards Sikhs,Wearning Kuchchh,Kes Kirpan. Here mudrit word is used for wearing,other meaning of mudrit are Ornnmented,Decorated and last but not the least Casted. As mudranh means in Sanskrit casting the coins. So other meaning could be Preaching of Guru Spoken(Speech) towards Sikhs,Casted(with)Kuchchh,Kes Kirpan ie from Sikh made ie with 3ks or made having 3ks. So if Some one say I have an apple in my right hand,does it to be taken that left is empty. Till it is not further provided that left is empty or full. So if three ks are told that does not means that other 2 ks are not present. Whereas in older book(Dasham Guru Darbar is older then Sarbloh Guru Darbar as latter was perhaps completed at Hazur Sahib Ji,Nanded,Maharashtra) 5ks are already mentioned. So it will be unfit for us that Guru Dev Ji would have again repeated 5ks togather so that during our generation there couold be some doubt regarding 3 or 5. As he told us before only they are 5,then regarding 3ks he mentioned in Sarbloh Guru Darbar,In whole verse he is telling something to/about Khalsa,As he saw 3 kes visible inattrie so he might have said this. Nihungs Kes 's(Hair) are visible wraped in turban. Kachchera(sHORTS) are also visible near thighs and Kirpan is always visible.But Karra can go under the cuff or shirt and Kangha is in Hairs so last to may not be visible to public.That couold be the reason that 3 ks were mentioned as per Das. In previous post when das wrote we are not retualitics like hindus it was not an attack on Hindus but some of our own groups who are very much rigid more then hindus or BRahmins,they make useless fuss about small matters. Say Kes Ki means of kes or of Hair and not the small turban,If Keski is one of the five Ks then any one can cut his/her hair and yet can wear keski.(otherwise das has maney buddies in gruops who belive keski is one of the 5ks but as they pull leg of nihungs so das retaliates but as such inspite of ideological differances ,We respect each other and for the welfare of Panth,all Sikhs are united). Das looks forward to gain more knowledge in future and seeks pardoning if wrong is written.

Gurfateh brothers/sisters! see the site http://www.5knet.com/forum/phpBB2/viewforu...46a43b1fbde3ecd is this an anti Sikh site.

Ek Oankar Wahiguru Ji Ki Fateh Thanks brother, May Akal bless you and let you keep on guiding us in future too.One thing das wants to tell you about Khatra like brothers. They do feel good for panth and are always ready to feel threathened by lots of our youngs becoming patits. But they are under the influnece of two groups of missionaries.one relatewd to a Jatha(das will not name it but you are well aware),Who have made thier ritulism in Panth more rigid then Brahmins or hindus also. Second are kala Afghana,Who by writing 'vipran ki reet ' has tryed to declare one of our Granth Dasham Guru Darbar as anti Sikh and a conspiracy of Brahmins.Both such grups are to be blamed but they blame a Brahmin caste(passing thier bucks). Mr. Nijjar is a Christian missionarry who is trying to prove by (mis )interpreting scriptures that Hindus and Sikhs are castists and racial.He pretends to be Hindutva or Sikh(Nrirmala saint) person and put wrong theories(Das has close contact with both hindutva and Nirmalas).Then say they are part of religions mentioned,And only way out is to be chirstian. Regrading respected K C Sudershan Ji,He is misunderstood but he needs to understand that Sikhism is spritual/theocratic system and not cultulral-nationalism like hindutva. But mark the word of das.Radicals like das or Bajrang dal are not satisfied with RSS.They have tryed to more to control us(Bajrang Dal) when BJP was in power. If they still do not leave nationalism and move more for hindu welfare. They may loose hindu support. Das tenderrsan aplology if something wrong is said. And seek guidence from all in future.

Ek Oankar Wahiguru Ji Ki Fateh We keep our Iron Bangle(Karra) in our pocket or in dastar While we undergo training this is more in case of unarmed combat of Platha,To avoid harm to our comrades. While we take bath our Kirpan often is kept on our Turban. So if Karra is with us Das thinks no problem. We are not much rigid like hindu ritualistics. Detail on terh Mudra will be given by next week. As Das is reading Sarbloh Granth JI.

Ek Oankar Wahiguru Ji Ki Fateh Pradhan Akali Sahib Ji, Das means humble servent. Here as per a narration style Vijaydeep Singh does not use I,My,Me as they give a sort of ego ie haumai towards self.As ego has no place in Panth so does vijaydeep Singh uses Das for himself ie third person. In army or Paramilitary psycologists use word 'theo' ,Such spychological things are present in our Sanatan Sikhi or Sanatan Khalsa order for ages,Das uses term DAS than term I or Me. Das seeks an apology if something wrong is said and seeks guideance from leraned Sikhs in future.

Ek Oankar Wahguru Ji Ki Fateh weather many brothers and sisters of Das may call him agent of RSS or may many so called follower Kala Afghana call him 'still a hindu',Das finds no problem to call himself true Sanatan Dhrami(and one who call one self hindu Dhrami can never be Sanatan Dhrami). As Sanatan Dhrama is faith or religion with universal appeal while Hinduism is more a norrow nationality. So as Das is from Bihar(east india) so which is hub of stounch Sikhs (including Nirmalas) so by the mercy of Panth Das will make a few points to answer the quiestions which das thinks that Nihungs and other Sanatan Khalsa will agree. As they have raiseed the quiestion they may have answer to it.They are not creating any conroversy in faith but are pulling leg of those people who are rigid and unreasonable but term us s brahmanical ie ritualitics. Regrading 5 ks we could see the Sikhi Rahit at last of Dasam Granth given by Tenth Nanak it is in Farsi Nishan e Sikhi Hrruf Panj Kaff ie mark of Sikhism are (perhaps) letter/word five ks. They are Hairs(Kes),Kangha(comb),Kaccha(Shorts of a particular style),Karra(Iron bangle) and Sabre(Kirpan).Without kes all four are useless. In three forms Three mudra as kes are mentioned comb is understood to be included for thier upkeep. Likewise with Kaccha,which is mark of moral restrain over lust ,we could have been told to understand moral restrain on greed as Karrah prevent our hand to do wrong. Regarding the Sahijdhari Matter,All are Sikhs if they consider Akal as thier Guru and its verbal Manifestaion Guru Granth as Guru(For Nihungs Dasam Guru Darbar and Sarbloh Guru Darbar too). So in Guru Dwara when we say Guru roop pyari Sadh Sangat(beloved company of Sadhaks(one who is in way to get to God) who is from of Guru) then it also includes Sahijdharis,A Sahijdhari is a Sikh,He/She could be formerly hindu or Muslim but now it is in a way to become Khalsa. Goal of Sahijdhari ie slow adopter is to adopt Khalsa order. This is done only in same life or another birth could be taken,It is upto Akal. likewise with or without Ragas just repeating the word Wahiguru Wahiguru without knowing its meaning and calling it Kirtan is of no use.Gurudev wrote it in Akalustat,There is a bird called Pudna,who keeps on saying tu hi ,tu hi ie you only,you only without knowinh what does it means.So in such case bird does not gets salvation. So even we read,We sing or we listen Gurbani ,till we do not understand it, we do not get any thing out of it. Regarding Kartarpur Vali Bir,It is not the Damdami Bir ,Which was bestowed Guru Gaddi(along two other books).as former has verses from Ninth Nanak too. Whereas in Kartarpur wali birs we even have a page on which a Granthi has written a formula to make gold out of metal(alchemy) But bani is in same ink while descripancies are in different writing and in different ink.Perhaps as legend says Fifth Nanak left a few pages clear to be fulfilled by someone in future.Ie Bani of Ninth Master.We could see that Damdami Bir Contains all Gurbani from there(Kartarpur Bir) as well as Salaok Mahal Ninth . Regrading Dasham Granth Ji,even if we belive that it is not written by Gurudev(in total) as Kavi Shyam is ofeten metioned who was one of the 52 poets of Gurudevs court. Yet das is sorry to differ with Mr Kala Afghan group that it is not as per with Gurumat. As in Adi Guru Darbar to contribution of poets from court are there and are valid.So likewise new testment was compiled much after christ and had contribution by many a saints but is vaild in christianity. So Dasham Guru Darbar(not the Patna Versin but bhai Mani Singh Version) is valid.Its explanation by Dr Jodh Singh is totally valid and as per Gurmat. Like the work of Prof Sahib Singh Ji on Adi Guru Darbar. Regarding Triya Chriter,It puts some light on immoral acts in religious,social and political life of hindus and muslims of that time as by that time most were nether Muslim nor Hindu(did not Firest Master Said after rever vien episode). Lastly present day Akalis draw thier name from Nihungs who are real Akalis. So if they have to be real Akali they need to get Baptisem from Nihungs(budhadal,Trroon Dal,Hariyan vela or other Jatha) else they(Aklis) are fake Akalis.If you see and compare the situation in the form of Preachining ,Harmony with other faiths,Unity, Management in correct way,You will find it better in Takhats outside Punjab,which too are termed Brahmanical than the one controoled by sgpc. Better is Jathedar of Budhadal takes over Akal Takhat. And election for sgpc must be carried out under the security of Army of Akal ie Nihungs and not the Indian Police/para military.