vijaydeep Singh

Gurfateh Well we deabte such scholars they try to act like one is in hysteriya.They want to run away from debate and may rise voice or in the case of das may call him agents of Hindus. When simalr things from Guru Granth Sahib Ji are raised,they tend to run away or avoid the debate. Concpt of God in Gurmat is not claer to them so how can they be clearly under stadning Darbar Sahib at least.

Gurfateh Dear Admin, Thanks for the good link.Anyway there was one more reason for the defeats of Meenas by rajputs. Meenas are farmer at large and claim to be jaat(but other jaats stay away from them in Rajasthan say in Braj and northward from Sekar to Nohar. They had thier defeat more due to thier fight with Gujar Patels.In Rajistthani folklore figth of Patel Gujars and thier sacrfise by cunning Jaat Meenas is still sung.

Gurfateh As it happens in north India that in places,we see Gujar,jaats,Aheer or as here Meenas keep on bullying other comun ties due to plotiical backing. Sikhs are indoctrined to fight injustice so such things are bound to happen.This boy should have carreid Kirpan and should have knwon how to use it.When we are Sirdar and take intiative as leader,we need to have back up to let us protect our status.Das does not feel that this guy has such things or traing with him.Had he had then things would have been differnt. Das is anyway happy to see media more of electroinic media coming in support of Sikhs and Hindus also supporting them.Das understtod from a Hindu person's mid that such sithouation is similar to some Hindu been forced to eat beef by non Hindu in his own country and govt. does not do any thing,.In such cases it may occur that people may take law in thier Hands. In 2001 perhaps,there was a simlar case in Delhi when Mr Khera of Malviay Nagar with his son,forcable cut the hairs of thier employee who was Sikh on his demading due wages. Then in Delhi polce was quick enough to arreest them(rather they were more keen to get arrested,to evade the wraght of Sikhs).Then in Patayal house they were fined for about 500 Rs as an act to hurt the religeous sentiment.Father and son were kept in jail and were fined.so some confidance was there in law. While over here eve teasing,kidnapping,attempt to murder ana other acts are there on the boys.Yet result is not forth coming. at last das can say that had boy been murdered,then it would not have bene big issue but cutting Kes is somthing bad.Some fo the readers could be from outside India.If Rajsthan Govt,who could not save 5 of thier civielains and one Army Jawan in recent flood at Falan after not sense acts for 12 hours and that also onscreen,could not bring culprit to book,it is OK to go to give memeorandam to Indian High commsion or embassy or other world oraganistaion about callous ness of BJP Govt.Where vote bank is above justice.so let the world know.

Gurfateh protests have spread in Kanpur,Delhi,Jallandher,Chandigarh,Jammu etc. In Punajb and Jammu,Shiv Sena has openly supported Sikhs.In Kanpur main protestors are from Rashtriya Sikh Sangat.In Jaipur most of the Hindus and Arya Samajis have givne full support to us. Even Doordarshan Kendra emplyees union has openly condemed the incidence on air. Then coming to Meena people.Meenas are not rajputs but claim to be jaat and are schedule tribe.They were native of jaipur Area and further south till Abu.They were later overuun by Harha or Khushvaha Rajputs. Till Rajput era they were subdued but due to thier numbers,in some part they form as vote banck so they do buly other comunties.Fact is that they do not know much about sentimets of Sikh communtiy.Sometimes before in India,when das wanted to go for an exam in UPSC,they forced das to remove Kirpan(as per law of India Kirpan with less then 2.5' blade is alowed in pplanes.So das went to civil siupervisior,who snubbed this Mina person of CISF,anbd das was allowed in. More than hurting religeous sentiments it appears that they have acted as an act of stupidity without knwoing the concequences. Over here we need to understand that it is still possible that police of BJP govt. still may try to save them as in past ,when they attacked the Sikh boy or did eve teasing Police reamin callus and even after incidenace local SHO was unawe of the importance of Kes in us. What may happen is that they may get intrim bail and get surenedered in court.Though police has now booked them in bigger acts but still if they are non bailable or not is yet to be seen. Das last night saw DR Kiran Bedi saying thAT,Weather they will be convicted or not poilce will keep them calling each week in court or police station.As per Dr Bedi boy is a real hero and should be venerated for act of courage to not to get afraid of goons.Anyway SP Bansal of Jaipur said that he has noted what Dr bedi Said. In Rajasthan Police encougres fast track court and police wants gulity to get punished as soon as possible.In past 10 months this uis second attack on Sikhs.As in past at Moosagarh of Alwar about 5 to 9 Siokhs were kiled by Meo Muslims but,they werre put behind the bar,And then Muslims at large supproted Sikhs. But in this case it seems that police is buying time.Anyway in Rajsthan we have local Blacksmiths or nomad Sikhs also,who are in rural Area to be contnued..

Gurfateh For Hindus,they were Hindus,For Muslims they were Muslims,For catholics they were Catholics,For Mahayana Budhists they were Budhists. For us we are like them.Guru Panth Khalsa Guru Roop.

Gurfateh This times at least das supports Vedanti Ji. Anyway Guru takes away Sikhi once doubt on Bani sets in.In such times when Iblis sets our heart against the Truth.We will only succed in Dargah if we do not loose faith in Guru and do not doubt Gurbani.Rest will perish.Akal lives.Allah remains.

Gurfateh Brother from where can we get this in India ?

Gurfateh In the septmeber issue of spokeemen some Great Sikh did object to Bhatt swayyes and Bhagat Bani also. Then Kala Afghana Sahib hastly refuted him on his site(if link is needed das can provide that online article). By mercy of Akal das can say that Kala Afghana Sahib does not uunderstand Guru Granth Sahib ji correctly. Das did some work on his and Ambala Sahib writing. http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/controversia...ical-study.html it can be read and can be uploaded and used whereever needed. There are tow gruops. 1. Kala Afghana Sahib 2.Followers of Amabala sahib claiming to be from akj in Canada. gruop number 1 does not behold any bani in Dasham Granth as authantic while gruop 2 behold at least 5 from Tenth Master. Das has voume 9 of book by KALA AFGHANA SAHIHB AND one book by amabala Sahib. Without any doubt das can say thAT THEY are full of mistakes. As Brother Amritpal Singh Ji, Bahdur Singh Ji,Tirath Singh,N30 Singh Ji and Singh47 will be aware that for a devote person,thinking like Ambala Sahib or Kala Afghan Sahib and then answetring them in thier own language is very pain full as in that time we have to think like faithless. Ek Gharhi Na Milte To Kaljug Hota type thing comes in das's mind and it pains in heart. so if Sangat does Ardas for Das and das can tolrate that pain.das by mercy of Akal can word by word refute both Kala Afhghana Sahib,Amabala Sahib and Manharman(the Khalsa Fauj). for last das asked sikhsangat if they allow das to refute TKF but they did not respond. anyway put hand on the head of dog like das.reseearch is over.These guys are yet to come out of Duja Bhav/Shrik/Dawait Bhav so they have not understood Darbar Sahib,so they find contradiction between them And Tenth master's Bani. Das will in future post his work over here.Das posted his work in past on spn as many guys from Kala Afghana camp use to come there and das wanted to talk to them.Here on this forum most of us are of same mindset so das found no need to put the thing over here.

Gurfateh Das never takes black grams which are idtributed in Gurudwaras on saturday. Once irnically das was given duty ot distirube them and das then also did not eat them.On Saturday why do not we distribute meat of black sheep?

Gurfateh Get back to you ASAP. http://indiaawareness.com see august 2006 issue of its monthly magzine . Das does not endrose any view in this type of people but rather oppses them. http://www.tapoban.org/phorum/read.php?f=1...44&t=109444

Gurfateh one guy from Kala Afghaa camp in dubai has declared in his book that Dasham Granth is not Gurbani and if someone can prove it,He will give that person 1 crore of rupuees.He has writtan a book on that. We should see them happly getting doomed as there hard luck is that these fake Sikhs do not understand the Gurbani.Das is not temped for one crore but can say that those books show lack of understadning of Adwi Abinashi Akal and full of Duja Bhav.

Gurfateh He was with great intellect and was not as rigid as say our Present Day Kala Afghan Sahib's followers. He even had love for hindu brthren. It happened that when he was still a Hindu Brahmin that while some one from Sant side doing Katha in his village and told about many meaning of same verse of Gurbani(it is Salesh Alanakar).A hell worthy Arya Samji told him that,it is like your having more then one father. It hurt him and rather then getting influnce by wrong uttrance he studied and became Sikh himself and tried to get meaning one and only for whole Guru Granth Sahib(he did simlar work for Japu Sahib also).So his intenetion was very good. Coming to Salesh alankar anyway das thinks that it exists in Gurbani and we should not have paid heed to Arya Samaji guy.In Vedas also it exists.They had tried to do same in Vedas to get meanig as they want by twisitng the spritual meanings.Say it is like calling that person as your father who is not. Say there is verse in holy Veda about Wife as embalem of huousehold.They just took it for socail thing but Vedanta takes into account of Shiva and Shakti concept.So what he did was to counter Arya Samajis and even if he was doing something wrong for some of us,yet his intenetions were not BAD at all. Das finds his interpetations as more logical but sprituality is beyond logic.So there are mnay guys who had family members,who are elder floowing Prof Sahib Singh Ji yet young one more after Taksali Santhiya.Yet ds give him 95%.

Gurfateh Wahiguru Gurmanter Hai is perhaps from Bhai Gurdas Vars.And it is provided by various ways to Sikhs who are follwoing an order via direct linage from Guru.We may refer them as Sanatan Sikhs or Sants or even AKJ's Nam Drih is somewhat like that. Coming to Oankar Ad,read that thing carefully,Das meant Japu Sahib and not JAPU JI SAHIB.It is as Oankar Ad Kathni Anand,Khal Khand Khial,Gurbar Akal.Das hopes that yopu yuorself translate it. so Guru Panth told Das about Mool Mantra and Gurmantra.If you want to know that then das welcome you to join Nirmala,Taksal,Sevapanthi,Udasi or Nihung order.They all are Guru of das. Gur Gur Eko Ves Anek. For al the info above be greatfull to Gurbar Akal.All is relative but absolute Truth is Akal so beej mantra Sati Sri Akal.

Gurfateh Try to take support of 96 Crrories and use RSS against the BJP andd the congress,Best of Luck.

Gurfateh Dear Singh Sahib Balber Singh Ji, Das did post thing for yourself and may repeat that as per Bhai Daya Singh Ji Rahit Nammah Sat Sri Akal is Beej Mantra. Anyway Mool Mantra is as it starts at Japu Ji Sahib and Guru Mantra is Wahiguru. Beej Mantra gives us guidance that what is seed of all ie Truth only behind all is eternal.Beej is seed. Mool Mantra gives us something about Root(Mool) ie from seed Akal root ie creatiioon took place.So in Japu Sahib we say Omkar Aad.initial creation created by manfestation of of God as described in Mool Mantra. Gurumantar ie Wahiguru is told to us for doing meditation.,while we live in this world.

Gurfateh Das votes aye for that.

Gurfateh Das just wants to add one thing over here.It is not neessasy to learn Hindi to leanr Sanskrit.Rather Punajbi is nearer to Sanskrit.Das give just one exaplme.Son is Putra in Sanskrit while in Punjabi it is Puttar or Putt and in hindi we have rearly used term Poot. Punajbi is nearer to Ampbrhansha often like Bhakha in Gurbani.Das woul;d recomend to learn Hindi but behloding it a differnt language from Sanskrit.Tatasam words are common in both but Desi,bidesi and Tatbhav are difernt. Das says like that from an expirance from a Great Sikh of present time(das will not name),who tried to learn Udru in order to learn Farsi and left the Farsi classes.He still could not learn farsi.Das is unaware of the status of Urdu learning. So good to learn them speartely.

Gurfateh Das saw various Brahgiani Sikhs from Nirmala and Udasi orders who may not ocver thier head in general. In older faiths we have diverse things regardingn covering heads. 1 old Sanatand Dharmi temple while tilak or vermilian is aplied on on forehead,head has to be covered,if not tturban then hand is to be kept. 2.In Dargahs covering Head is must but das did saw many people doing Namaz in mecca Sharif without head being covered and his one Pakistani freind also did Namaj without head covered. 3.In New Testment we have writtan the diffrance between male and female as female must cover thier head during rayer and male do the opppsite. So coming to our Gurudwara,why do we cover our heads more so if we are not Sikh and an outsider.Das just wanted to know if there is any logic or say any histroical or scriptural account on that or is it byy oral tradidtion.

Gurfateh God is self giver and self consumer(ape Data Ape Bhugta) even when you worship God it is in fact God worshippng the same. Das would like to say it as per Sufis is Wadat ul Wajood while Wahdat ul Sabot/saqut? is more to do with dulity. As per foermer nothing but God exists.

Gurfateh today das read one version of Bhai Daya Sin gh Rahitnammah.It stated that Sikhs if marry girl outside Sikhs should encourge the in laws of girl tobe Sikh.

Gurfateh Dear Amardeep Ji, Kindly read the origeonal post.In fact they are word of God via Gurus,Sikhs(like Bhatts) or other Devotees. Nanak is told that one who worship God is slavaged by God only and that only is our Guru. Page 306, Line 14 ਨਾਨਕ ਸੇਵਾ ਕਰਹੁ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਰ ਸਫਲ ਦਰਸਨ ਕੀ ਫਿਰਿ ਲੇਖਾ ਮੰਗੈ ਨ ਕੋਈ ॥੨॥ नानक सेवा करहु हरि गुर सफल दरसन की फिरि लेखा मंगै न कोई ॥२॥ naanak sayvaa karahu har gur safal darsan kee fir laykhaa mangai na ko-ee. ||2|| O Nanak, serve the Guru, the Lord Incarnate; the Blessed Vision of His Darshan is profitable, and in the end, you shall not be called to account. ||2|| Nanak is not the writer but one addressed By God. raamdaas guroo jag taaran ka-o gur jot arjun maahi Dharee. ||4|| Guru Raam Daas, to save the world, enshrined the Guru's Light into Guru Arjun. ||4|| Guru of Fourth Master Guru Ramdas,put light of enlighement in Fifth Master Shri Guru Arjun Dev Ji. In Bhatts at alter also does Akal speak.In Holy Kuran also via Ruh Al Kuddus Jibrael God only speaks and similar saying can be found.

Gurfateh Das will son post june second edition's portion of women era having objectionaklbe post on Sikhs.

Gurfateh Was Baba Fareed a vegitrain food eater?And what about Sdhana ,the butcher? Anyway for Nam Adhyas it is better to avoid food with high nutitrional values,It may be all Veg Greasy stuff and Dry Fruits,too much of sweet and last but not the least most non veg items idealy.

Gurfateh Well bro Singh47 Ji, Das saw that there are rules in west to prohibit curltiy to animals but here we may kill animal ourselves but compasion has to be more on man then say animal. As per Russian(rather sovit) socail scintists here many men die of hunger and if stary cattle which is left on road just for religeous reason,to die or to eat filth or to invade agricultral fieds,is made part of dinner then problem of hunger can end.

Gurfateh Well Aresenla/explosive was there in mind of King against True Master but Chandu put fire in it.All sides are OK but Mrs Swaraj wants to ptrove that no hindu role in martyerdom. She forgets the fact bad people are there in Sikhs also and Hindus also and Muslims also.They tend to make a Hindu Muslim affair and no Faith called Sikh Panth in between.Maijn itenetion of her was to let Sikhs and blame this top Muslims.