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  1. Gurfateh For Das main thing for devotion is our God Akal.
  2. Gurfateh Das is Bihari(East Indian state) convert to Sikhism. Das still sometime wear native turban and native dress also.Only thing is that no trouble should be there with 5ks and native dress and rest is OK. Sikhs in differnt part of India(non Punajbis) have difernt types of turbans.so diversity is always welcome.
  3. Gurfateh Das finds one thing over here. when as per as Bijai Mukt Sakhi Dasvi(Part of Panj Sau Sakhi). Sikhs obejcted about Churhas killing cow with poison or perhpas otherwise for leather and meat. Guru told them that if you have to save it,buy it and take care of it. Churhas are doing a good work and from that work only do you get leather for mucical intstrument. Coming to Kastriya Maryada,We can read Bhai Gurdas First Bani and Bhabgus book.Guru united Four Varnas as one. So like Sudra Gunas in us to do Service we can have any food but not Halal.(they ate dead so were called Halal Khors or obdients.Once they served Muslim under Baba Jewan Singh Ji,Muslims joked to Sikhs that your brethern are Halal Khors of us). Sikhs told those Sikhs that in this world or in next world our Brotherhood breakes if you continue with this Job.They rejoined thier Sikh brethrens. So for Sudars dead animal is Allowed and to do service we do outsamrt Sudras.So for that diet can be like that of sudra but intellect of Brahmin,Earning of Vaishya and figthing of Kshtriya. just humble opininion.Mahatma Budha,just took pork(Sukar Maddav) before his death as Kushnara. Say dog is dog wild or domestic and there is not much differnt betweens boas also.Das could see few tusks coming out.but domsitic breeds are bred without that so that do not attack owner. Cow is co with or without horns,Elephant is elephant with or without tusks. and filth thing can be consumed by Lambs and Chiecken also in rural Areas.And wheat also gets manure from human waste.
  4. Gurfateh just some info. Abdalis did Attack Darbar Sahib and Baba Gurbax Singh did make adefence over there. Likewise when Sikhs were doing hola Mahala at Anandpur Sahib,Perhaps Adina Beg forces killed them a lot. Anyway was some Shaheedi Gurpurab during assult from Indian Army to evict mens and sants during Summer 84? Just few inputs.But in both historic cases Sikhs did had miliatry sternght in shrine but that could be for defence but Akalis did harbour some so called Babbers(nothing to do with AKJ) out to Kills hindus and Sikhs who do not folloow them but all accusitions were attributed to Sants.
  5. Gurfateh Das saw it in the book by Khushwant Singh titled History of Sikhs in two vloumes.Das will any try to meet Khushwant Singh if possbile and discuss this matter but it may be difficult as that guy is quite old and commoner like das may not be allowe d to meet him. http://allaboutsikhs.com/person/khushwantsingh.htm A book, "A history of Sikhs" by him remains to this day a well-researched and scholarly work. It is a classic two-volume book on Sikh History and is used as reference by many scholars. https://www.vedamsbooks.com/no14556.htm A History of the Sikhs/Khushwant Singh. Reprinted with corrections. 1999, 2 vols., 944 p., maps. Contents: Vol. 1: 1469-1839: Preface. I. The Punjab and the birth of Sikhism: 1. The Sikh homeland. 2. Birth of Sikhism. 3. Building of the Sikh church. 4. The call to arms. 5. From the Pacifist Sikh to the Militant Khalsa. II. The agrarian uprising: 6. The rise and fall of Banda Bahadur. 7. Persecution of the Sikhs and the reorganisation of the Khalsa Army. 8. Ahmed Shah Abdali and the Sikhs. 9. From the Indus to the Ganges. III. Punjab monarchy and imperialism: 10. Rise of the Sukerchakia Misl. 11. Maharajah of the Punjab. 12. Suzerain of Malwa. 13. British annexation of Malwa: treaty of Lahore, 1809. 14. Consolidation of the Punjab. 15. Extinction of Afghan power in Northern India. 16. Europeanisation of the army. 17. Dreams of Sindh and the sea. 18. Across the Himalayas to Tibet. IV. Appendices: 1. Janamsakhis and other sources of information on the life of Guru Nanak. 2. Adi Granth or the Granth Sahib. 3. Bhai Gurdas. 4. Dasam Granth. 5. Hymns from the Adi Granth. 6. Treaty of Lahore, 1809. 7. Tripartite treaty of 1838. Bibliography. Index. Vol. 2: 1839-1988: Preface. I. Fall of the Sikh Kingdom: 1. The Punjab on the death of Ranjit Singh. 2. First Anglo-Sikh war. 3. The Punjab under British occupation. 4. Second Anglo-Sikh war. II. Consolidation of British power in the Punjab: 5. Annexation of the Punjab. 6. Sikhs and the mutiny of 1857. 7. Crescat e Fluviis. III. Social and religious reform: 8. Religious movements. 9. Singh Sabha and social reform. IV. Political movements: Marxist, national and sectarian: 10. Rural indebtedness and peasant agitation. 11. World War I and its aftermath. 12. Xenophobic Marxism. 13. Gurdwara reform: rise of the Akali immortals. 14. Constitutional reform and the Sikhs. V. Politics of partition: independence and the demand for a Sikh homeland: 15. Sikhs and World War II (1939-1945). 16. Prelude to the partition of India. 17. Civil strife, exodus, and resettlement. 18. A state of their own. 19. Prosperity and religious fundamentalism. 20. The Anandpur Sahib resolution and other Akali demands. 21. Fatal miscalculation. 22. Assassination and after. 23. Elections and the accord. 24. Foreign connections and Khalistan. VI. Appendices: 1. Cultural heritage of the Sikhs. 2. Treaty between the British Government and the state of Lahore, March 9, 1846. 3. Articles of agreement concluded between the British Government and the Lahore Durbar on March 11, 1846. 4. Articles of agreement concluded between the British and the Lahore Durbar on December 16, 1846. 5. Mr. Suhrawardy's statement on the Riots, September 30, 1946. 6. Anandpur Sahib resolution. 7. Revised list of 15 demands received from the Akali Dal by Government in October, 1981. Bibliography. Index. "First published in 1963, this is the standard and well-established book on its subject. It is accessible to a general, non-scholarly audience, while being based on scholarly archival research. "Volume 1 covers the social, religious and political background which led to the forming of the Sikh faith in the fifteenth century. Basing his account on original documents in Persian, Gurmukhi and English, the author traces the growth of Sikhism and tells of the compilation of its sacred scriptures in the Granth Sahib. "The transformation of the Sikhs from a pacifist sect to a militant group called the Khalsa led by Guru Gobind Singh is portrayed in detail, as is the relationship of the Sikhs with the Mughals and the Afghans, until the consolidation of Sikh power under Maharaja Ranjit Singh. "Volume 2 continues Khushwant Singh's history of the Sikhs, taking up the thread at the death of Maharaja Ranjit Singh in 1839, and focusing on the continuing Sikh struggle for survival as a separate community. The development of religious, sociological, and political movements under British expansionism and the threat of Muslim domination are explored. The author chronicles the years following Indian independence, marked by the demand for a distinct Sikh state, and presents the events leading up to and following 'Operation Blue Star' when the Indian army entered the Golden Temple in 1984." [Khushwant Singh is a renowned journalist, and an authority on Sikh history.]
  6. Gurfateh Das did made some post about Shia Nihungs in another forum. As per Khuswant Singh Ji and Baba Nidder Singh Ji,there are Nihungs in Shias also. Das did make a theory that Humyan got help from Shia Shah Tahmasp of Faras after conversion to shi' aism. As per Khuswant Singh there was perhaps Suicide souades of Muslims with this name. As Aurangzeeb was bigot Sunni and perhaps Naqshbandi,he did prosecute Sufis,Shias,Boharas and many Muslims also as Hindus and Sikhs. Is it possible that Shias defacted to Guru and that Shia regement of Nihungs became Singhs? What is the Family history of Baba Maha Singh? Kindly do not make it a contraversy but das just beg for more info?
  7. Gurfateh Das thinks that das met him in east London once ie sumer 2004 for some boss camp like thing.
  8. Gurfateh There is one verse about that bRhmx kYlI Gwqu kMkw AxcwrI kw Dwnu ] iPtk iPtkw koVu bdIAw sdw sdw ABmwnu ] “The following are all major sins: a) Killing a Brahmgyani, Killing a black cow c) Killing or selling your daughter, d) Eating from a person who has no moral discipline. Anyone who commits any of these has committed thousands of sins and this egotistical individual will be reprimanded thousands of times." (SGGSJ Ang 1413) but that may not be understop as Anti Beef by new age scholars. Das eats beef as in Dasham Granth Lord Krishna is told to have hunted cows and Lav Kush had Go Medh Yagna.
  9. Gurfateh Is he the same Kamal Roop Singh Ji from mid lands(UK) who were doing PHD and student of Baba Nidder Singh Ji?
  10. Gurfateh If needed das can put link to online Hindi version of Holy Kuran by Sunni preachers whith home das has contact.
  11. Gurfateh Just for fun. pahari picture is part of conspiraxcy by hindus like RSS to absorb the Panth.
  12. Gurfateh Aghan Inja Bebenned Va Paida Kuneed(Sir,See here and serach). http://iranhouseindia.com/indexe.htm http://www.dar-al-masnavi.org/masnavi.html
  13. Gurfateh Many people within the govt of India and Congress have and had support for Sant Ji.In fact GOI did do lot of favoers but Sants accepted that as an offersing and not as bribe.Later when they asked for the return Sants siad that it was to be kept as what is best for teh Panth should be done. At that time Badal,longowal etc. asked GOI to protect them from Sants and they themselves created the situation for an attack on Complex and rather incited GOI. Baba Santa Singh remained loyal to congress and GOI as his predecesssors did during freedom strugle of India but Sants were not politician and were entraaped by Badal etc. Regarding operation Bluestar,we need to understand that Mrs Sonia Gandhi did accept it as a mistake and apologiesed and thence only did Captain Amrinder Singh rejoined the Congress. Congress respect for Taksal started from an instance at Ram Leela Ground comemorating 500 year of Marterdom Ninth Master. Before that das will giove littel bit of family background of himself. Das Grand Mother(Maternal) was from Arya Samji Khatri family of Sahiwal or Mongomaery district of WEst Punjab.Her Grand Father Lala Jhanda Ram had one Sikh brother(as in them one brother at that time was to be made a Sikh).From his linage we had S. Datar Singh Kamra. His doughter was married to Col Ananad,Who was also a Sikh.He further had a doughter Maneka Anand(She is infact Maternal Aunt of das from very distant realtion and is animal right terrosits and BJP Leaderat present). Actualy Mr Sanjay Gandhi only wanted to flirt with her but her Amry Man father forced him to Marry her(She had not very good relation with her mother in law and some people atrribute death of her fahter realted to her husband but that could be mere propogand of Anti Gandhi family). So doughter in law of Mrs Gandhi was a Sikh.For getting faltery of her in that programe at Ram Leela ground some Congress Sikhs praised her to have matrimoniunal realtiuons with Sikhs. At that time Sant Kartar Singh Ji told the crowd that we are not like Rajputs have done to have high posts in moghuls by marrrying thier girls.She has done not favour to Panth by having any matrimonial realtionship with them and doings of Panth can never be undone by Indians. Had Panth not there then she shouled not have been PM but been traped in some Burqa(meanig that all Hindus would have been Muslims and she being Muslim may not have beomce PM). Mrs Gandhi were impressed and made there after Sants of Taksal as thier guide in many matter due to thier olut spokeneess and grit to say truth and leadership qualties.Perhaps she had heart enough to use person,who were indeed creitcal to her. That long frinedship was broken only due to actions of Arya Samjis Hind Samachar gruop and Badal on the either side and it was realy a Bad thing. Bhai Ranjeet Singh Ji or Sant Ji were never allowed to be traped by CBI,till Mrs Gandhi had good realtioship with Taksal,(Case of Gurbach Singh Nirankaris death).It was again Badal and disgrunted Khatri elements of BJP which created problem(at that time RSS was ore with Congress then BJP). Das is saying all that based upon listeing to various Sikhs and Hindus and officers who were part or had keen look on affrairs then and may be wrong.But das stillb elive that mnai tratior are Badal,Tohara or Longowal and BJP or Congress are better then them at least.Frogive das for mistakes but there is need to unity of AKJ,DDT,KALA AFGHANA,Sant Samaj,Sanatan Singhs among all to dislogde Badal fromk sgpc. Indian forces were visible to occupy complex so we could remove them but these agents of jattism are lie green snakes and draing the resource of Panths for thier chairs. All people das wants to unite are surly may have differnt interpetaion of Panth but are not Anti Panth so for that thyey need to unite and Anti Panth forces needs to be dislodge againa movemnt is needed,Help or RSS,BJP or Congress will be forethecoming if we start that movement.
  14. Gurfateh in any movement when ever civilians are killed even in collateral damge,failure of it starts. Das is worried for future as we see that Badal & co are again back with new people in the form of Asutosh Ji Maharaj as Sant Nirnakaris were brought in past and Amrinder Singh Ji are again using Sants to fight that. anyway Sant Nirnakris Avtar Bani may not look bad to Tat Khalsa of modern time like Kala Afghana Sahib as Sant Nirnakairs are influneced by Amabala Sahib or vice versa.and in past they even asked to remove some portion if Panth dislike that. anway if das is not mistaken Singhs did use force on civiilains as Baba Wadbhag Singh told them in Nassir Khans defeat of Jallandher(Bhagnu book) and perhaps during Ranjit Singh's time in Afghan Area to crush Tribals.
  15. Gurfateh Das is making another neutral comment and could not be said as propogation of any idelogy but what we find in some wrong things in Indian politics. If we read book of Bhangu we find that True Tat Khalsa guys also did use to force to defed thier idelogy against say bandais or say Hindalees(Harbhagat Nirnajaniees). In our case we saw that Badal Dal during thier tenure in power at one place nursed some Babbers and on the other side gave power to Sant Nirnakaris. Then congress faction,which is pro Taksal took over(via Gyani Jail Singh,Arinder Singh etc.)They wanted to use Dal Khalsa to weaken the both Badal Akalis and Sant Nirnakris. So a sort of Sanatan Sikhs like Sants were attempted to be used to control what we could say Malech British Raj type pseudo Sikhs like Sant Nirnakairs(forefather of Singh Sabhaiyas) and Badal Dal(outcome of Singh Sabha). But Badal ,longowal etc. were fast enough to swithc sides.Das could say that at that time instead of Sants,had Baba Santa Singh Ji being used by Congress then we could have differnt result but weather could Baba Ji had wanted to carry out such taks was to be seen.
  16. Gurfateh Perhaps this is 4.126 http://www.balagh.net/english/quran/light/004/4_126.htm
  17. Gurfateh Dear Bro Bahadur Singh Ji, Sant Ji did some works to make some fantics among us weak.He had supprot of some Governmt sections which may still be suportinh his idelogy. He was as such not anti Hindu but mentialty same as say present day Bajrang Dal.Ironicaly some people like that of Hind Smachar group made good lot of false propganda betwen Sikhs and Hindus and Sant Ji were not plotician and did not let his views go to Hindu and Indian masses. Father figure of Das was in operation bluestar from the Indian Army.And das does not want to speak more that who trained his men but Indian Army people were very unhappy to attack the shrine. role of Logowal,Badal,Tohra,so called Babbers who were hell bent to oppse this Sant should not be underestimated.They realy played spoil sport between Sant Ji and people who actualy used Sant Ji to elminate Akalis(Badal).but later Badal misguided Mrs Gandhi. It is not as simple as it think.Sant Ji or Dal Khalsa entered shrine to dislodge Babbers on the active support of the eliment of ruling Party.but later Badal and co on our side and Hind samchar group on Hindus side created rift between this allienes. anyway good thing is that presetn Amrinder Singh Govt. is repeating same thing by supporting Sant Samaj(including DDT) and to use us against Akalis.This time we should not let old bad things happen.Das just wanted to put neutral view as Army people themsleves did gave comnedation to courage mof the Singhs from Sant Ji's side but wanted that if they had served Inidan Army.
  18. Gurfateh Bhai Ram Kaur Gurbax Singh writer of Sau Sakhi Mangal Prakash also wrrites that Banda even attacked him but on knowing from others that this guy is from Gurus time did leave.There he writes Bada's runiing away into indus.
  19. Gurfateh Bro, If you are the same Amardeep Singh ji of spn das gave verse which tells Allah surrunds or emcomppasses all,in debate over Holy Kuran in the thread Kuran to all Sikh students.
  20. Gurfateh Thanks for Great Info Brother, Is things with Sevapanthis not having female Sants so Far due to thier strong conncetion with Islam of sunni side?
  21. Gurfateh Das once wondered if we have female Sants in Panth like we have them in Hindus. Das rembered one Maye Jhuggi Wali in Pakistan as told by his maternal Grand mother,who is no more alive. Then Baba Nidder Singh showed a Bibi from Bihar. Recently das saw a Sant Samagam in Delhi oraginsed by DSGPC. Das will give brife list of those who attended. Niramala Mahapursh from Kankhal,who even got time to preach. Baba Harnam Singh Ji Dhuma from Chowk Mehta. Akal Balbeer Singh Ji Chandigarh,Bhai Balbeer Singh Ji(Shahedi Bagh) and Baba Nihal Singh Ji of Hariyan Belan. Mahant Tirath Singh Ji Sevapanthi from Guniyana Mandi(along with Galaxy of other Sants from his order). Sant Teja Singh Ji from Rara Sahib Baba Sarbjot Singh ji Perhaps Sants from Ratwara Sahib Sants from Nanaksar especialy from Karnal. Any other Sants das forgot the name including Hindus/Udasis/Sahijdhari Sants. It all started by Kirtan by Honourable Akhand Kirtani Jatha. Das could reach only at culmination of that Samagam ,when Sohila Sahib was read as das was to undergo some medical check,which by mercy of Akal has come negitive. But coming to main question. Das saw one name of feamle Sant ie Sant Bibi Santokh Kaur,Meerut Road ,Hapur. do we hgave more such examples and why do Feamel not become more Sants?Is there any restrictions on them?
  22. Gurfateh Das agrees to that as Das lived in Tamil Brahmin Family who did serve das beef,which was not Halal. anyway das could say that in old Aryan or Sanatan Dharami litrature cow was a part of diet and maybe just to appease say Farsi invaders(present Parsi do not eat beef) who called Indians Hindus,these guys may have stopped eating beef else most scriptures are pro beef. Other reason could be lack of feuland cow dung was always good fuel and manure. In India it is true that mnay Hindus themsleves are party of cow sloughter. anyway Das thanks for good links as Jha Ji also a Bihari like Das are thinking on the same frequency but again nothing to do with Hindusim as at the time of beef eating Hinduism did not exist and many present day hindus race people were in middle asia.
  23. Gurfateh Dear Frined, Das had a fight with a Hindutva person on this issue on Sikhphilosophy.net as he first stated that 'terrorists' akj people are anit to meat eaters and when das told that das eats beef to prove that we are not Hindus he started to give this verse to prove that meat is not allowed. Anyway no one is born terrorsits and that person was terrorsing Sikhs on internet without understanding that Holy Vedas,Holy Bible,Holy Kuran are all full of pro Meat things and we there not to oppse them but to unite them as under the name of Akal.Main oppostion of us to be tagged as Hindu or Muslim is due to that only as we are Both Hindu and Muslim as well As chrisitan also as we Are Sikh for of Tenth Nanak. Das read same verse by some Hindus who wrote Ved Kate B Kah Mat Jhote ie only Vedas to be beheld and True while Guru told of unity of all scriptures. Even in Maas Maas Kar Murakh Jhagre Guru tells Maas or meat is in Puranas and meat in Kuran. So coming back to the verse you have question. ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ ॥ प्रभाती ॥ parbhaatee. Prabhaatee: ਬੇਦ ਕਤੇਬ ਕਹਹੁ ਮਤ ਝੂਠੇ ਝੂਠਾ ਜੋ ਨ ਬਿਚਾਰੈ ॥ बेद कतेब कहहु मत झूठे झूठा जो न बिचारै ॥ bayd katayb kahhu mat jhoothay jhoothaa jo na bichaarai. Do not say that the Vedas, the Bible and the Koran are false. Those who do not contemplate them are false. ਜਉ ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਏਕੁ ਖੁਦਾਇ ਕਹਤ ਹਉ ਤਉ ਕਿਉ ਮੁਰਗੀ ਮਾਰੈ ॥੧॥ जउ सभ महि एकु खुदाइ कहत हउ तउ किउ मुरगी मारै ॥१॥ ja-o sabh meh ayk khudaa-ay kahat ha-o ta-o ki-o murgee maarai. ||1|| You say that the One Lord is in all, so why do you kill chickens? ||1|| ਮੁਲਾਂ ਕਹਹੁ ਨਿਆਉ ਖੁਦਾਈ ॥ मुलां कहहु निआउ खुदाई ॥ mulaaN kahhu ni-aa-o khudaa-ee. O Mullah, tell me: is this God's Justice? ਤੇਰੇ ਮਨ ਕਾ ਭਰਮੁ ਨ ਜਾਈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ तेरे मन का भरमु न जाई ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥ tayray man kaa bharam na jaa-ee. ||1|| rahaa-o. The doubts of your mind have not been dispelled. ||1||Pause|| ਪਕਰਿ ਜੀਉ ਆਨਿਆ ਦੇਹ ਬਿਨਾਸੀ ਮਾਟੀ ਕਉ ਬਿਸਮਿਲਿ ਕੀਆ ॥ पकरि जीउ आनिआ देह बिनासी माटी कउ बिसमिलि कीआ ॥ pakar jee-o aani-aa dayh binaasee maatee ka-o bismil kee-aa. You seize a living creature, and then bring it home and kill its body; you have killed only the clay. ਜੋਤਿ ਸਰੂਪ ਅਨਾਹਤ ਲਾਗੀ ਕਹੁ ਹਲਾਲੁ ਕਿਆ ਕੀਆ ॥੨॥ जोति सरूप अनाहत लागी कहु हलालु किआ कीआ ॥२॥ jot saroop anaahat laagee kaho halaal ki-aa kee-aa. ||2|| The light of the soul passes into another form. So tell me, what have you killed? ||2|| ਕਿਆ ਉਜੂ ਪਾਕੁ ਕੀਆ ਮੁਹੁ ਧੋਇਆ ਕਿਆ ਮਸੀਤਿ ਸਿਰੁ ਲਾਇਆ ॥ किआ उजू पाकु कीआ मुहु धोइआ किआ मसीति सिरु लाइआ ॥ ki-aa ujoo paak kee-aa muhu Dho-i-aa ki-aa maseet sir laa-i-aa. And what good are your purifications? Why do you bother to wash your face? And why do you bother to bow your head in the mosque? ਜਉ ਦਿਲ ਮਹਿ ਕਪਟੁ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰਹੁ ਕਿਆ ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਇਆ ॥੩॥ जउ दिल महि कपटु निवाज गुजारहु किआ हज काबै जाइआ ॥३॥ ja-o dil meh kapat nivaaj gujaarahu ki-aa haj kaabai jaa-i-aa. ||3|| Your heart is full of hypocrisy; what good are your prayers or your pilgrimage to Mecca? ||3|| ਤੂੰ ਨਾਪਾਕੁ ਪਾਕੁ ਨਹੀ ਸੂਝਿਆ ਤਿਸ ਕਾ ਮਰਮੁ ਨ ਜਾਨਿਆ ॥ तूं नापाकु पाकु नही सूझिआ तिस का मरमु न जानिआ ॥ tooN naapaak paak nahee soojhi-aa tis kaa maram na jaani-aa. You are impure; you do not understand the Pure Lord. You do not know His Mystery. ਕਹਿ ਕਬੀਰ ਭਿਸਤਿ ਤੇ ਚੂਕਾ ਦੋਜਕ ਸਿਉ ਮਨੁ ਮਾਨਿਆ ॥੪॥੪॥ कहि कबीर भिसति ते चूका दोजक सिउ मनु मानिआ ॥४॥४॥ kahi kabeer bhisat tay chookaa dojak si-o man maani-aa. ||4||4|| Says Kabeer, you have missed out on paradise; your mind is set on hell. ||4||4|| Read the lines das made big for you and you may understand direct from verse that it is oppsing Halal. why is it so? After Lord Jesus,Old Testment was not to be followed and so Chrsitians may eat non kosher and pork. And as per Sura of Holy Kuran 2 and 5 perhaps Mohtaj or person who is helpless may eat non Halal(meat killing without name of God said),Pork,Blood and Murdar(Dead animal not killed).And as per Islam ie surrender one has to behold oneslef always helples in front of God. But let us go to old testment itslef.it is after Gensis or within that.ABRAM,kills his son(Isac for Judeo Chrsitans but Ismail for Muslims) but a lamb is foound dead.(Id Ul Azzah is clebrated for this reason). God bleses Him and gives him name Abraham from ABRAM. Then only God tells him to kill animal with let his life in the from of blood goes on the ground.Main purpose was to kill animal before eating and not to cook alive animal. Same is repeated in deutrinomy. so in Halal and Kosher as a religeous duty blood has to be draned out of the body and animiya leads to death ,we call it death due to bleeding. But Gurmat finds Akal same in Blood as in Flesh,Pursh Sutras says God is in all,Book of Issiah says God in all,Holy Kuran has Sura which says Allah encompasses all.so if akal is in all then why to differantiate between Blood and flesh and let animal bleed to die as per relgeous ritual while scriptures say something opposite?
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