vijaydeep Singh

Gurfateh

S. Jaswant Singh Ji of Chandigarh has done a great work on this,but presently he his busy with the book on Adi Guru Darbar and Dasam Guru Darbar. if you want contact das on his email id akalustatvijay@yahoo.com.

While there are two magazines in Punjab again on crusade against cast ism.

http://www.indopunjab.com/

This has support of Singh Sahib Baba Balbeer Singh, if editor is to be believed.(Editor Gurnam Singh Aqida)

http://www.sachkibela.org/

This has support of Singh Sahib Baba Joginder Singh Ji Akali of Raqba.(Editor Anbhol Singh)

Both the magazines are working at tandom and may merge in future, they both have a sort of alliance against spokesman of mohali.

If you want email id of both the editors and thier mobile number das could be contacted and they will be provided. All three are known to das and reference of das vijaydeep Singh could be given while contacting them. All the best.

Some more info on the topic.

Swami Gyandev Singh Ji Nirmala's Sri Mahant are anti caste, Sant Ramanand, slained in veinna was part of his organisation and touching feet of Gurdev Singh in presence of Adi Guru Darbar is not a sin in Sanatan Sikhs.

Another person Swami Brahmdev Ji Udasis are also against caste , He has students from Bhaini Sahib of Namdharis, who too had discussion with das and agreed for the possibility of reform when they are in a postion.(someone from them one day could be Satiguru of Namdharis).

Gurfateh

It was due to caste system only that Sanatan Sikh lost the control of Shri Akal Takhat Sahib, before Kartar Singh Jhabbar took over, Rhityas(weavers, who are either Arya Samaji now or merged with Ramdasis), Ramdasis(leather dealers) and Majhabis/Raghuretas(sweepers) were not allowed to cross from the bank of holy lake in front of Darshani Deohari. This bank is called Chautha PAur so are Sikhs from out side four Varnas by Nihungs, Nanaksar, Rumi Sants and some Rara Sahib people. Yes Namdharis have separate "cage" for them.

It is possible that Gurus did appoint untouchables on gate so that all Sangat who must visit Harmandir Sahib, should shun untouchablility and touch these manifestations of Akal.Any way Baba Nanak was from the family of Kush, who was infact made up fro the Kush/seat /family of Balmiki, who is termed as Supachara/dog eater in Shri Guru Granth Sahib. Bhai Kahan Singh Nabha is wrong when he says that there are two Balmikis as spokesman also said the same. Hindu texts talk of one Balmiki only who was reformed and wrote Ramayana, he tells that he is son of PRacheta, which means Varun/Water. The Kolis or fisherman on mahrashtra and Gujrats again are Valmikis. working with fish of water. As per Manu Samriti say for few fishes if someone eat fishes he is not of high birth as Fish eats evrything.

All info given here is bookish and could be wrong.

Gurfateh

While fighting with Bhasauriyas das has come with this verse

ਪੰਨਾ 1429, ਸਤਰ 10

ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮੁ ਉਰ ਮੈ ਗਹਿਓ ਜਾ ਕੈ ਸਮ ਨਹੀ ਕੋਇ ॥

राम नामु उर मै गहिओ जा कै सम नही कोइ ॥

Rām nām ur mai gahi­o jā kai sam nahī ko­ė.

I have enshrined the Lord's Name within my heart; there is nothing equal to it.

ਮਃ 9 - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

ਪੰਨਾ 1429, ਸਤਰ 10

ਜਿਹ ਸਿਮਰਤ ਸੰਕਟ ਮਿਟੈ ਦਰਸੁ ਤੁਹਾਰੋ ਹੋਇ ॥੫੭॥੧॥

जिह सिमरत संकट मिटै दरसु तुहारो होइ ॥५७॥१॥

Jih simraṯ sankat mitai ḏaras ṯuhāro ho­ė. ||57||1||

Meditating in remembrance on it, my troubles are taken away; I have received the Blessed Vision of Your Darshan. ||57||1||

ਮਃ 9 - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

could term Ram at start to do somethingh the poet Ram or the Tenth Master?

Das did some study and will put more over it.

It may means that instead of name of Ram,it says Ram,the poet says the name went into heart.

More inputs and then a fight with Bhasaruis.

Gurfateh

Once das was sent to RSS to let Baba Surjeet Singh Ji out of prision after what happened during april 2007.

Was not he out later?Was not Baba Baziger,the lower caste off from the jathedar within one month.you guys had a good situation then.

But RSS had nothing to do as they talk of castelessness in Hindus.

Till Baba Surjeet Singh Ji do not eat food which is already eaten by Singhs like Baba Balkar Singh(Dalit Jathedar from Salem Tabri Ludhiana) or Baba Baldev Singh of (Baba Sangat Singh Jatha).

There is no scope to belive.

It is itself proof of Dalit discrimation where we find having Langer near precance of Dalit camp agreat thing.

What about convertng Muslim and let him also have Baptism from same bowl as of high caste Zamindar(das can provide you such converts).

Das could write more trash but do not bring RSS in as das can bring in congress and can write about where abouts of some brave of yours.

Untill we do not prove in the court of law,we can not tell a person guilty.

Few days back das dead read a pres rleace of lower caste bazigar,where we were told that soon cases will be intiated.

Lastly News paper which report could be having some political connection.

What das knows is that there is a Budhadal congress.Das will not use wrong words furhter.

Why were Baba Surjet Singh Ji removed before poor lower caste Bazigar rejoined the Panth?

And why only after this lower caste Baziger took powere that his crime record has been reopened.

why did you guys not told that about him when he was in your dal?

Lastly another strange thing is that Nihungs who have been talking pro India started to blame Punjab police,Strange?

Same police was used by privious Jathedar to ward off militants.Strange things.

When we speak lies and make a world of lies around us.We tend be off the true world and practitcal way to solove the problems.

Numbers will be shown soon,what is at which side.das insists his numbers for jatts is correct

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Gurfateh

Well very nice to see but were not other side has kharkoos(militants).

It is good that non of the guys over here have identity else poor loower caste bazigar would have filrd some suits over there too.

das will not use term Nuh Rani Jogindro for any one.

There should be shame on those guys who claim there tribal ritual as true faith.

Are you guys sure that person you have chosen will let Dalits and Malechhas be baptised without descrimination if status quoe is maintained.

Tribes come and go and faith remains.

das himself could be an ex tribe.

Gurfateh

There are gruop of about 1000 or more and do not want a low caste bazigar to be the Mukhi.

Legal position is still with low caste bazigar and jatts run here and there.

No split but guys made some wild statements against low caste bazigar but due to eduaction in low castes.

There has been a case filed onto them by low caste bazigar called defamation case.

Gurfateh

Kale Afghaneye is a newer name for Bhasauriyas.Not to do with thier founder Guru Kala Afghana.

Gurfateh

Some guys say that Bhai Gurdas Singh Ji were Kesar Singh Ji Chhiber while some others say that 41th pauri is work of Bhai Gurdas the First even before the Tenth Master came.Akal Sahaye.

Gurfateh

Then bring the baby back.das only wrote that das is happy that in single birth he became Sikh from Chrsitian then Shi -a.

And das wrote that being a Sanatanite sometime he is forced to be cruel.Like other Sanatanis perhaps Shias also be.

Gurfateh

Javanmard is banned and not Bahadur Ali if das is not mistaken.

Gurfateh

http://budhadal.com/pictures.htm

Bhai Amritpal Singh ji met Baba Balbeer Singh Ji on 29.09.2007 and requested for the same so as a result we find updating.

Main reason das finds for opposition to Baba Ji is due to these facts.

1.He is an out caste(Vratya).

2.He is not oppose to let out caste(Chandalas ie Ramdasiyas and Majhabis) have same bowl of amrit as other castes have.

3.He allows Chandalas to sit in same Langer as other castes.

4.He allows them to enter the Bibecki kitchen.

5.He has no opposition for Dasyus(people from non Hindu Back ground ie MUslims,Christians or Jews or black or white under going baptim with Budhadal).

inspite of being from Jaat Father das is with this out caste Jathedar.Salute him.ready to die for him if needed.

Gurfateh

Let Bahdur Ali Ji(formerly as Franco Luies and Bahadur Singh Ji) do it.

Gurfateh

A sslam a Alequm.

In Name faqct Baraye Biradar Bahadur Ali Mi Navisam.

Hameshi Mi Daneed Ke Shuam Ke Franco liues bood Bad Azan shuma Bahdur Singh Shude Bud wa Aknun Shuma Bahdur ali Hasteed.

Shuma Bhakhat Te Khoob Dareed Ke Khuda Ro Ba dighor Raha Mi Beneed.

Khoda Nighedor wa Alla Hafiz.

Ma Mazboor Shudiyam ke dar Zangha Muqabale Dushmana Mi Kuneyam Zaber agar khair ke onha bar Ma Zulam Khwahand Karad.

Gurfateh

Recently there has been media war between Sikh Missionary collage and spokesman's dummy(india awareness).

As spokesman is banned by Panth so in Delhi's Gurudwara they are selling magzine in the name of india awareness with full support of 'akali dal' sarna of Delhi.

few things but by kale Afghaniyes.

1.Budha dal,nirmalas,Taksal etc. all are fake.

2.amrit Sanchar is Fake

3.all bani of Tenth Master is fake(they kept one of thier book in stall run by Gurbani Chanan people who are pro Dasham Granth Sahib as they can not sell the book openly as per Akal Takaht verdict).

4.Karah Prasad is fake.

so and and so forth even thier allies Sikh Missioarnies are fake.

Akal Bless.

Gurfateh

Future looking good coz one extremist drone became an editor of a magazine? lol

Funny how they still pay rich tributes to Master Tara Singhji, considering he was (politically) a Dasam Granth doubter, a view not shared by the illiterate gs lamba.

Master Tara Singh Ji were founder Member of Vishw Hindu Parishad at Chinmaya missiaon neae Mumbai.

This was his gesture as reply for Second Head of RSS's support to Punjabi Suba opposing Arya Samaji's concept of Hindu Hindi Hindustan.

Mr Lamba anyway is doing a good work and das will meet him soon.Recently he made Kale Afghaniyes of Faridabad to eat a humble pie in deabte in Delhi.Akal bless him.

Gurfateh

Dear Barinder Singh Ji,

Were you there at that time?

Did here too was any such thing like Chutha Paur(outcastes) being told to sit away from Jamindars( lower and uppper caste)?

Das is aware that Baba Nihal Singh always let no separate Amrit but from the sam,e bowl in his Tarna dal.

While during this Dusherah as per reports at Chamkaur Sahib,there has been no Chautha Paur having separate bowl during Amrit Sanchar.

More info needed ??

Das is offline often due to making a sort of Jesuits(among Dal Panth) to counter protestants who are termed Bhasauries in past and are called Kale Afghaniyes at present.

Das's opinion is pro reform in traditonal orgainsation to end Bhasauries one for ever Akal Bless.

Gurfateh

Similarityies

1.Both have faith in Dashma Granth Sahib.

2.both are Anti missioanaries and fake Akalis.

Dissimarities

1.RSS talks more then to do anything.

2.RSS is oppsed at least overtly for caste,homosexuality and use of drugs.(other then Caste das finds nothing in Nihungs which makes das uneasy inspite of the fact that das himself does not use drugs or Panjratani or Mudavan Ghat but can tolrate them in Nihungs).

3.RSS may try to paint Gurus as Sagun Worshippers but Niuhngsd are strong Nirguna worshippers.

4.RSS may mis interpret Gurbani.

So das is RSS guys to check this and test waters.S. Chiranjeev Singh Ji has told das that they want Hindus to follow Sikhi.Das will test it.Das has seen many Sikhs in them including Rulda Singh saying the same things.

So das wants to gage it.Other then Budhadal Das wants AKJ and Missioary also having some channels with RSS.

Recent stand of RSS against Succh Sauda is a result of interaction of RSS with Nihungs and Sanatan Sikhs.But there are Anti Gurmat forces within RSS which do bring obstcle in the way of Rashtriya Sikh Sangat.

So a prtesure gruop of Sikhs witin RSS is ready.But we have to be catious.

Gurfateh

what are your activites with the rss ?

attempt to bring them in Budhadal.

Gurfateh

on the Amavsaya of 17feb 2007 das was rename das Nihung Gurvinder Singh at Talwandi Sabo ki After Baptism.

Das took baptism with Chautha Paur and let his caste be writtan as Ramdasiya.

Inspite of the fact that Gurudev Singh(one who gets person baptised) telling das to come and sit with Jamindar Singhs.

Anyway for last six months or so das was and still is busy to let some discrination with Chautha Paur be over and met with partial success in convonsing a new way.(das has post about it at another forum and once it is finshed so will be posted).Another thing das is fighting for is to let Budhadal start baptism Muslims,Christians etc.

(soory for going off the topic so dear n30 Singh kindly make a new thhread of it).Th way Satan talked to God in book of Job after God asked him where he has been ,das will answer more things to Bhai Tirath Singh Ji on that thread.Das is also with Rashtriya Sikh Sangat since april 2007 .

Gurfateh

We will be soon araginsing a Samagam if Akal permits at the Budhadal Chhawani of Delhi were Sri Mahant of Nirmalas,Sevapathis might be coming.Das will try to let Udaseen Mahapurush also come there.

Gurfateh

Read Sau Sakhi and Charan Pahil in there.It is water from cloath covering Guru Granth Sahib Ji diped in it.

Read Sarbloh Granth and 12 forms of Guru,Ten Masters,Guru Granth and Guru Panth.It was decided when Five beloved one gave baptism making Gobind Rai Ji As Gabind Singh Ji,Guru Panth and Guru Granth Sahib Ji are Guru Granth since they were made to enlighten the universe.

It is wrong to say that something newer happned at Nanded.

Gurfateh

As per Purush Sutra all four professions came out of single Purusha so all are one Jati.One Father Akal Purakh.But as it is givne in Panchjanya,there is need to let non Indian(say Western) converts to Hinduism come tnot Temples like Jaggannath Puri and smoe temple still do not allow Dalits/Vanchits in Temples.Let it be practicle also and not just on web space.Akal Bless.

Gurfateh

Why did mother of Nakul and Sahdev burnt herself with dead body of King Pandu?