vijaydeep Singh

Gurfateh

Miri Piri is concpet of sprtualism guiding the poltics,which owns matterirals and not the materalism.But nothing to do with communalism.

Indian so called secualrism is based upon equal respect to all faiths unlike in france where term secular was coined as anti God or Anti Church thing..

Gurfateh

Bhai Guriqbal Singh is from Nanaksar but why ojn earth do they act like some of our own Brahmanical Jathas?

Gurfateh

It is step Ahead of Hindu Brthren,they do not do such ritualism.

Gurfateh

It is optional to undergo baptism and have 5Ks.More importance is geivne to Nam Abhyas and understadng Bani.more info from Bhai T Singh Ji and Bhai Bahadur Singh Ji,who is an Amrit Dhari Nirmala.

Initial 5 Nirmalas did undergo baptism.

Gurfateh

tommow Das will be meetng with Mr Sarna on some other reason.

But in past after this incident das did had a long chat with one gut who holds a high post in mr Sarnas Akalis dal.

The bride was a cusion of one frined of Das.That friend of das is normal Sikh(non akj).These guys got who arranged marrige got permission from dsgpc under the ledership of Veer Bhupndrer Singh Ji of USA that marrige will be performed as per Gurmat.

Perhaps in this way aborad veer Ji could be carriyng out marriges.

So back to normal thing,that in marrige card,it was asked that no one will bring gift or mony for couple.During marrige after two rounds/cirlce grrom took,rest two were taken by bride.

On objecting AKJ persons from Malyviya Nager were ready to die or kill.

This ceromany they complred but reamining Party etc. was not allowed.

When all stroy was told to das,then AKJ bashing was started.Say they will not eat from other Amritdhari etc.,while das told them that some of them have eaten from the hands of das.From AKJ,they moved to bash Taksal and Neldahris as sepratisits.

Anyway das infomred them that three of then organisations are motived for good of whole panth if neeeds arises.

Das has ore the learing from peopple who were speaking.

Then they told that it is copying of Hindu way that sometime girl moves and sometime boys move ahead.

then das told them about Nihungs moving left to right.They started to say that Nihungs are blot and are puthas(alway reverse).Das what we call in hindi took a sip of blood.

anyway das just asked them about marrieges by AKJ like this and Nihungs.Das was told by them that they are nuull and void and no certifiacte will be issued to them.

Das's missonary freinds were not so much unhappy wiyth event.But das said that it was OK to have such marige but only after telling dsgpc or else it could have been carried out in some other Gurudwara under akj control or in home then a sort contrversay as management terms this as cheating.

Das also did not fight with them on thier insult on Nihungs as in future das will try to reamin in contact with them and will try to remove the bias from thier mind.bias which makes them rigid and anti diversity.

Gurfateh

As per one plotician of Delhi,tilak nagar case may also be false case and boy who claimes to be victam can be false.

Gurfateh

Brother TSingh Ji,

Das bows to your feeling and does endroses that.das is ory for absensce as here in Delhi there was some other case of Anand Karaj and das will write more on it on other thread.

Gurfateh

Das genraly not always support panthic.org due to sometimes they tend to go against Sanatan Singhs of UK or sometime go hysterically Anti India without indepth knowledge but for this weeks three post.

Das can say that Sanatan Singhs of UK along with all Sikhs should support them.

http://www.panthic.org/news/125/ARTICLE/2726/2006-09-06.html

http://www.panthic.org/news/125/ARTICLE/2726/2006-09-06.html

http://www.panthic.org/news/125/ARTICLE/2736/2006-09-06.htmlhttp://www.panthic.org/news/125/ARTICLE/2736/2006-09-06.html

http://www.panthic.org/news/130/ARTICLE/2727/2006-09-06.htmlhttp://www.panthic.org/news/130/ARTICLE/2727/2006-09-06.html

Gurfateh

This time nidle of suspison is on Hindu guuys.As Indiaawereness told that Hindus in nanded wanted to attacked Sikhs and blame Muslims.

Das finds it too wrong.anyway it would have better that Hindus should have sent Hindu Fidydeen to mureedke In Pak then to kill own Indian bros.

If Hindu did not do it then ISI could have done to blame Hindus or shia milatants Dindar E Anjuman had Past to attack Temples,Churches and Sunni mosques in souuthern part of India.

GURFATEH

In Paths also when Path says Gurbani,they are not as per Ragas.And Kathkars also may not use Ragas to explain.Actaul Rag is love to Akal.

Gurfateh

Yesterday we had so called Hunderd years of National Song of India Vande Matram ben celebrated.

It is part of Anand Math Novel and that is by Bankin Chandra Chaterjee(Chatopdhyaya to be more clear Bangle Brahmin gotra).

As per it and this true also Sanyasis(hermits) did carried out revolt to overhtrow Muslim Nawab who was apuppit of Britishers.

Das just want to add that during that time ,with little bit gap there was similar revolt by Sufis also in Bengal,which novle does not mention.

Coming to the song.Hindutva guys say that in democratic set up of india as mark of partriotism it must be made compulsary for all to sing it.

As per them all nations in world should do this for thier songs.They even try to say that it happens in other countaries.

Muslims have oppsed it,Delhi Sikh Gurudwara Managemtn Commitee also oppsed this compulsary thing.But SGPC first oppsed then backtracked.Das still rembers the same guys of Akali Dal Badal once walking out of govt. function when Sarswati Vandan was made.

Singing and just stadning in respect are two differnt things.Say when Deh Shiva var Mohe is sung.Hindus are expected to stand in respect.So till Sarswati Vandan was not forced unto them or Vande Matram is not force onto us,it could be OK to stand in respect with other comrades.

But what aout making it compulsary?

As per Gurmat as it is in Islam,shirk or worshipping any thing else but Akal is not allowed.no text so far das saw in Gurmat,ever said to have saying India as Bharat Mata.Yes earth is told as Mat Dharti(Salok at end of Japu ji Sahib)but Wandana term is used for Akal.Bandana Har Bandana but never for land.

Even when some one thinks of house he is told to be rebron as ghost(Verse unto Devotee Namdev Ji).It is further strange that in past Sikhs protected India while saying the name of Akal.Andn that wass better then those who said victory of Bharat Mata.Das owns a house he is told to take care of it.

It will be foolish for him to do wroship of house and wate timea nd resources.It could more follish when worship is done ,when house is in trouble.

Das has seen that in foregen countries there are various nation anthem in UK long live the queen is song but das fails to see worshipping the nation concept.They are no where less in patriotiism.We have seen in west say in USA,how did fire fighter did partriotic sacrifise in trade tower attack or say during a highjack of plane from pensyvania.And how UK force acted in creeamia war or say falklands.

Where as if we see recrods of Hindutva foces

we have

1.Kandhar highjack

2.death of 125 Amarnatyh pilgrims(Moonsoon 2000).

3.fiasco of operation Prakram and later calling in of Agra summit(stoping to highest).

Then same guys worship Cow but same cow in same country eats garbage and dies of eating polythene.

Same guys worship Ganges but put sevage in that.

so worshipping some thing does not means that that has been served also.

So better is to serve then just getting satisfied with worship.

As in hindus elemetns of natures are worshiped and Bharat Mata is actual godess of recenlty made qusi faith Hinduism.So das can respect thir feeeling.

But beeing as a Sikh for das.Har Ji Mata Har Ji Pitah,if we have Mata refer to Akal,then Das can Say Vande Matram(Akal as Mata) else in the name of patriotism belivers(Be it Sikh or Muslims) are been forced to join hinduism and its ritual.Das sees Vedas which also tells to go after God and not the worldy thing.Earth is only one elmenent of five basic worldy elements.

Das heard fake Akalis saying if you have to live in India,you will have to say Vande Matram(during Rath Yatra of Mr Advani 1990).Das,then as Hindu was happy.but now as a Sikh das finds it more a trap of mammon of worldy things.

for das only worship is to be done of Akal,who is in all and thta could be done by serving them practically then just making non sense issuies.

Gurfateh

Old book by Mr Oak namely

who says Akbar was great(in Hindi) and great mistakes of Indian History again in hindi are great novels and more to do with fiction.

Shiv Sena is not name after Lord shiva but Shivaji Raje,the Great Maratha king.

One in punjab is not the same as in Mahrastra.In Mahrastra they did very bad to Hindus from Bihar,UP or Tamil nadu also,inspite of taliking of pan hindu they are more Martha upper caste bullies.manyway Nephew of Bala sahib may be making a good new party.

in Punajb SK Billa was bit anti Sikh but more due to reaction.Recent hair hair cutting incident in jaipur Was oppsed by sikh and Punjuab Shiv Sena gave full support to them.

Gurfateh

both teh Great Jathedars ie Baba Ram Singh Ji and Baba Dhuma Ji also are doing a great job by stoping Baba Asutos Ji's work in punajb and that also idelogicaly.

And das recently visited Damdam Sahib on 300 years of its birth cnetinary.Das was ahppy to hear the Three names with great respect.

Gyani Mohan Singh ji as great Tapi.

Baba Harnam Singh Ji(das saw him also on stage).

Baba Ram Singh Ji.

There were many good sweets itmes been served in langer but as das was suffering fro colitis(docter thoght das had it with eating meat but later it reapeared and root cause was swiming). So das took Langer from sgce run Takhat Sahib of Prasada(Breads) and Dala(lentils) with bottle gourd in that.

Das was happy to see that he took food after so much time and was digested.And das returend happy from there.

Taksal has anyway published the name of 18 great Sikhs who were attting BrahmGyan after Guru made Gurbani come to them.Das will soon put thier names.

Anyway coming to women issue.there are two ways.one is to oppse and enter debate and other person becomes your foe.And das recomneds the other way,ie to be freind and talk and try to coax.

As such even at the time of Guru if at all female were not baptised or made five beloved one.Guru Khalsa can let them do that now.Das is not against traditon but Duja Bhav or sense of anything differnt from God,Same God is as much in female as that is in male and there could be hradly any troble if she takes role of five beloved as male had.

Rest panth is better positoned to decide.

Gurfateh

Perhaps yuorself and das are both follower of true Islam,better then Bhai Laden.

Gurfateh

There is city near capital of Uttar Pradesh(lcknow) called Kanpur.

In Kanpur we have Gurudwara Bhai Bannu Ji,where that oldest beerh is till kept.so we have second copy of of Darbar Sahib ie Beerh of Bhai Bannu still with us at Kanpur(First version is Kartarpur Beerh).

some other version of same are kept at Patna sahib also but Prakash is done of Damdami Beerh only.

As per Suraj Prakash,Fifth Master did not reject his copy totaly das feels but can be wrong.More can be understood from rarasahib.com.

Gurfateh

Many a guys say that Sampat and Chaliha is same as Hindu Havan.Das was wondering if they have visited the Chilla of sufi or read old Testment where Loban or insense in burnt in alter.

Anyway regarding Sant Ji.Bhai Bahadur Singh ji can understand and das request Bhai Jhamka Ji to understand.

With Brahm Vidiya it is possible to swap sprit from one body to another.If Adi Sanakara or Matesendra Nath can do it with yoga,Sant Ji had Brahm vidiya in hand.

Das just want you to verify if Bhai RanJit Singh of Dhadriayan or what people say Sant Ranjit Singh of Dhadriyan,had spirit of Sant Ji in him.As in tibbetian Lamas,we know body is swapped by spirit.So just check it out.Das doubts.Bhai Bahadur Singh can see many thing normal human can not see.So he may reach some conclusion and Bhai Jhanka ji try it your self or take help of some Mahapurush to confirm it.

Das anyway is too lower and just dust to understand the ways of Sant Mahapurush.(on many things das may not agree to Sant Ji or Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji yet das respect both and behold them higher then das).

Kindly look into it.

Gurfateh

After Jaipur and Jamshedpur it was tern of Delhi.

Harpreet Singh a native of Ludhiana had profession in Delhi.He ran consultancy work for yuong men to enable them to tie turban.

He is professional,who helps to tie turban.

On Friday night,three guys intruded into his house.Took his mony and forcable cut his hairs and beard.

Police was called.Who have apprihanded one of the culprit but only registered the case of burgelray.

and sent man back to Ludhiana.Once local Sikhs of Delhi,where it ahppened knew this,they surronded the local police station.Pelted stone on trafic,blaocked the trafric and inflicted harm to local shops and metor rail station.

Later situation was brought under the control.

As per electronic media there seems to be proxy war against Sikhs.

Who could be culprit behind the proxy war.As in recent case person was told by accused after cutting the hairs that in case he tels other about it,he will be kiilled.This means culprit wanted him to tell others and let there be turmoil.

Das just wants to tell that,we have to keep restraint before restoring vandlism as some one could be provking us,who could be that?

1. Pakistaini ISI,they want India in turmoil but they have own probelm in Baloch Area.

2.Congress men.As we see that in past at time of Jaipur episode,we had it as divertion from anti reservation movement.This episode could be more an act to divert from anti sealing front,which may also divide this anmti sealing front(in Delhi there has been large sacle sealing of commercial establishement)/

But why should the govenring party create problem within its nation.Anyway many fantic Sikhs in order to remove cruupt Badal are always in serach of an issue,which could be used to end pro status qoue Badal's useless rule over SGPC and Congreesss gives full support to it.

3.Pseudo Brahmnaical and anti Sikh Arya Samji forces have a sort of instituation looby in the form of Hindutva forces.They carry out a lot of gimmcker in recent days like spoon feeding Lord Gaensha with milk(as per Swami Ramdev Ji,it is a miracle rather that God makes cow to give us milk and not this funny thing of gods taking milk),Appearing of Shiv Lingas or Ganeshas or picture of Sai Baba.

False peope do spread false things.But mnay people are becoing interested in in Gurmat and want to throw the ages old yoke of oppression.

Many post in govt are held By Sikhs.So to create problem for the govt. and let Hindus start hating Sikhs and vice versa so no dialoge is there and no Hindu should be Sikh,these BJP types of guy could be the culpret.Jamshedpur,Jaipur and Tilak Nager under OP Baber have some lin to BJP.

But again why should ruling party let trouble in self rueld state?

But things are going seriouly out of porportions.

Gurfateh

Das votes for Baba Dhuma but does oppose his stand on female not becoimgn 5 beloved or not doing service in mroning at Darbar Sahib.

Soul in all of us is free from race reagion,language or colour,same implies for gender.

Baba Ji said this in his magzine of Amrti Kanhdedhar that he is oppsed to female becmoing 5 beloved and other things.

Gurfateh

startstop Ji,

yuor quey is valid but all people have not pain the spritual position as yuorself have got.As we are aware that all holy men are already in peace but many of thier followers may think our not using respectalbe addressing as an offence.So to let peace be in follwers mind yuo respect prophets are in the way to get state to mind as yuo have got at present.We can use respectable terms.

But das has seen many great Muslims at higher state to use term just as name for prophets.

like in songs also.

After the name of Allah,I will say name of Muhamad.

Let my life be sacrifesed on the name of Muhamad.

in both the cases name of Rasool is said plainly.So for others we need to say and not for ourself.

Gurfateh

within Sau Sakhi das founds that Charan Pahul is not from human feet but from corner of claoth covering Darbar Sahib dipped in water and that water.

Anway there are instance say in Bihar near Patna Sahib,where we find that Guru took offerng made to Rama by a Brahmin.both that Temple and Gurudwara in memeoray of that thing is there.

As per Suaraj Prakash,Guru was offered water from single Brahmins and another family full of kids,Guru took water from later(It is not writtan that they were Sikhs).Lastly Gangu Brahmin was a cook and not the Sikh.

Das does not find any probelm from eating from hands of non Sikh,if we trust them.Anyway Das did respect views of Bhai Balpreet Singh of AKj's Bebecki code of conduct.But such things that Sikh will not eat from the hand of non Sikh was first brought in by Babu Teja Singh Ji.

Perhaps Brits wanted Sikhs to be cut from Hindus and Muslims and could not lead them in freedm struggle but support Brits.

Gurfateh

Bhai Bahadur Singh Ji,

not RSS but Bhai Bala Janam Sakhi has similar things about a sort of Temple as Mecca.

Gurfateh

Lord Jesus had faith ihn God wile Budhuism say for a few Mahayanas is more a sort of Sharaman Dharma and does not has faith in God.

Das anyway knows a place near Meerut,where Catholics beoved that lord visited,Duirng his life or after decedning to Hevan,das could not say.That place is called Sardhana.Church was bulit by Begum Samru.

She had good ties with Sikh Misls of that time.She was catholic covert from Islam.

Gurfateh

Das just wondered.

if Naksh could be takne as nose(gneraly it is meant by projection) and Bandi means clsoing or tying.Then it Naqshbandi may mean something with Prnayam sort.Just a question?

Gurfateh

Arjun Meena,the main accused has been arrested in Delhi and taken to Jaipur.Perhaps he avoided rural Rajesthan as Sikh presensce is there.

Some Hindu inlcuding Mother of Das wanted say cut his nose or blackened the face or caster the accused.Das thinks that such things are savage.

Anyway weather Court convicts him or not ploice undwer the reforming acts,will make him visit the court or polic station eachn weak and let him give account of whole weak conduct.It is better than Tarhrpar where person is sent out of towen.

It all did not take communall colour as this boy was punished for protecting Hindu Girl.It will be tried to take video recording of her statement,which wil l avoid her gettng hostile witness perhaps if at all in future.As it is mentioned whole Parliament was united to oppse such act and centre and state both cooprated.

Gurfateh

Wahabis founder Al Wahab was influenced by indian immgrant in Arabia,who was Naqshbandi.And they arew realy forefathers of Wahabis.