Trimandeep Singh

Once Prophet Muhammad and Jesus Christ visited Baba Harnaam Singh Ji Rampur Khera waale. Devi devte do exist because in bani,Guru sahib says that these Devi devte praise Vaheguru at his feet. In Sri Chandi di Vaar, guru sahib says Akaal Purakh CREATED demons to keep the Devi devte's ego and pride in check. They all came on earth to spread Dharma but eventually fell into the trap of 5 vices. Trimandeep Singh

What is the authenticity of this Granth? Also, how can we even believe this? Using alcohol??? Dashmesh Pita has clearly said in Rehtanamey to NEVER ever even go near intoxicants. And here's offering alcohol while reading bani?! Waah! No Guru fearing Sikh will ever do this. Trimandeep Singh

One of the 52 hukams of Dashmesh pita commands Khalsa to always keep their head covered. Also, I'll attach some sources given by AKJ, supporting Keski Rehat. For me, Rehat is universal. Guru sahib didn't make any special or additional Rehat for a particular samprada in Khalsa Panth. Nihang women are warriors and the household bibis too are. If you don't wear a Dastaar, how do you expect to be called a Tyar-Bar-Tyar Sikh? Trimandeep Singh

I have heard that kard and kirpaan words are used interchangeably not only in Rehtanamey but in bani too. Will try to find the topic where I read. Trimandeep Singh

Veer Ji, you can do Kesi ishnaan at Amrit Vela and leave your hairs open with a small keski tied on your head (like a patka) while doing naam abhyaas. You can also do this while doing nitnem if you have your nitnem banis Kanth. While reading bani from a gutka or mobile, you can't leave your hairs open, only when doing from memory. This will help you naturally dry your hairs. Try to do cold water ishnaan everyday because it's Rehat and mentioned in Tankhaahnaama of Bhai Nand Lal Ji. It's okay if you can't eat or make in sarbloh. But do try to cook food on your own while reciting bani. If you don't know how to cook food, then just avoid outside food and eat everything made at home only from scratch (avoid use of additionals like dairy cream, sauces, bread etc). If you can't eat home made food everyday due to any problem, then just avoid outside food as much as you can. I don't know how to cook food so I eat food made by my mother only with everything made from scratch. Hope it helps Trimandeep Singh

Soulfinder Ji, it's very unfortunate that you have a migraine problem. I have been listening to Khalsa Camp Lectures on YouTube like a lot, and in one of those, Bhai Kulbir Singh Toronto (Gurmat Bibek Jatha) mentioned about his migraine problem, which he had many years back. He told the sangat that once he was doing vichar with a gursikh and in between the talk, he told him about his migraine problem. The gursikh replied to this saying: "You will never have any cold, headaches or migraine if you follow these 3 instructions- 1. Do Cold water Gurmat Ishnaan everyday. 2. Make your own food while reciting bani and then eat it in sarbloh 3. Do atleast 1 Sukhmani sahib every day. " You may follow these and tell us about the change once you start. Good luck. Guru sahib kirpa karan Trimandeep Singh

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh! With guru sahib's kirpa, Dusht Sajjan Kumar, who is responsible for killing thousands of Sikhs in 1984 genocide and who awarded mobs with alcohol and money to kill Sikhs has finally been awarded life imprisonment! (Talk in Hindi by Ravish Kumar, one of the few unbiased reporters in Indian media) (English) Guru sahib kirpa karan. May all other Dushts be also punished in this life... Parlok wich taan jamdoot ehna de pakode banaangey....tasty. Congratulations to all Sikhs and Guru Nanak Naam leva sangat worldwide. RAJ KAREGA KHALSA. Trimandeep Singh

It says weapons/shastars but doesn't specifically mention a teer. Yes, it is recommended to do Kirtan in raags. But I don't think any jathebandi is AGAINST non raag Kirtan. Bhai sahib please understand this that in such a big Panth, how do you expect everyone to have the same opinions? The apex authority is Sri Akal Takht Sahib only whose hukams, all jathebandis are bound to follow. And AKJ does bhog at mundawni at their own smaagams only. Every jathebandi has minor conflicting views. It's just that they believe in a different thing (accepted within Panth). We need to understand this. One jathebandi believes in one thing while one completely opposes it. Then automatically you would think that this particular jathebandi thinks it follows all Rehat and other's don't. Why did you even doubt it? I may be wrong but from the impression I am getting from your posts, I think you believe gursikhs who don't believe in Raagmala are also against basic fundamentals of Sikhism, just like Dhadri and modern missionaries. Don't know if AKJ believes it as a puraatan tradition or not. Yes, every jathebandi should respect each other. But if you think deeply... According to Taksaal,Nanaksar etc if one doesn't believe in Ragmaala, then this means rejecting guru sahib's bani which is a great Paap. According to AKJ, jhatka is also bajjar qurehit which means according to them, it is Manmat. So, if you see for every jathebandi, the Rehat followed by other jathebandis is NOT perfect. But this doesn't imply they don't respect each other. Every jathebandi in the Panth respects each other views as long as they are accepted within panth. Ask Taksal and Nanaksar also if sukha is gurmat or not. Most probably they will label it as Manmat only. However, they do respect the views of Singhs who practice this Maryada. It's about respect,isn't it? You cannot deny that some practices labeled as Manmat by taksaal are followed by other jathebandis and same is the case with Nanaksar and AKJ. These differences are bound to happen. But this doesn't mean Taksaal,AKJ, Nanaksar consider themselves as jathebandis who keep original and full Rehat and look down upon others. You cannot expect every jathebandi to agree with all the Rehats and practices of another one. In Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji hukamnaama, it mentions 'Maas Machhi' not particularly jhatka or halal. And same is the case with most of the other Rehatnamey. Again, let's leave these jathebandi differences here only and talk about the reason why this thread was created- can you follow all Rehatnamey? Bhul chuk maaf Trimandeep Singh

I am neutral on this topic of Jhatka and shikaar. Before coming on this forum, I was a staunch supporter of Vegetarianism. But now, I am neutral. Remaining on a safe side, I will never eat jhatka because- 1) It is not Rehat. So I am not violating Rehat Maryada if I don't consume it. 2) What if it is actually Manmat and against teachings of guru sahib? So, just to be on a safe side, I'll not consume it. Trimandeep Singh

The topic was, if following all rehatnaamey is possible or not? My answer Is YES. First of all it is useless for us to talk about someone else's Rehat. But I am writing this because I think it will motivate us to do more research on Rehatnamey. Let's stick to the topic only. Is this written in Gurbani or the Nihang Samprada has developed it? I have cleared in another thread that one should follow/strive to follow all hukams of guru sahib. For AKJ, sarbloh is mandatory and I did clear it that it shouldn't be imposed on others. Any hukam in Rehatnamey? Where does it say that Kirtan can ONLY be done in raags? As far as I know it is not mandatory to do Kirtan in raags. Raags have been praised in Gurbani but that doesn't mean Kirtan should be done in raags only. Kirtan is a great tool to elevate one's avastha and anyone can do it. Do you know even in Sri Darbar Sahib, Amritsar, once Kirtan was sung which was NOT Raag Kirtan. Pls quote the pankti from Rehatnamey. I think it says that noone should call himself a 'Sant' or 'Baba' or a 'Brahmgyani' and always remain a Sikh. I think 'Bhai' has traditionally been used for all Kirtanis/raagis/parchaaraks when they do Sewa in a Gurudwara. But they don't casually prefix each other's name with 'Bhai'. Why are you creating Dubhida again bhai sahib?! Don't you respect the authority of Sri Akal Takht Sahib? When it is clearly given in Panthic Rehatnama that bhog can be done at Mundawni or Raagmaala then what's the problem? Panthic aggoos keep saying each year to not bring up these issues. It is because of these differences that the pyaar and cooperation between different jathebandis has greatly reduced. Differences existed in the past also but the gursikhs under the umbrella of Khalsa Panth never brought up these issues to maintain pyaar and peace between them. How can you decide it on an online platform if it's bani or not? This is a very old issue. We are no scholars. You are also imposing 'Ragmaala' on others when we have the option to not read it. I request you Veerji, please don't bring this issue again. Answering the other part, YES they fully believe in Sri Dasam Granth Sahib and Sri Sarbloh Granth sahib. I also have one of their Kirtan recordings in which they sung some verses from Aarti Arta sahib, which were probably from Sri Sarbloh Granth. NOTE: If I was rude then please forgive me Veerji. Feelings can't be expressed on an online platform. Dhanvaad Trimandeep Singh

No I haven't read all of them. I was doing a lot of research 7-8 months back but then switched to reading about Jeevanis of gursikhs. I agree that it will be difficult for newly initiated Sikhs to follow Rehats like sarbloh or simply, dietary bibek. But I would like to request you to see this not in the view of current situation but puraatan times. In puraatan times the abhilakhis were blessed with Amrit only when they would successfully complete their Sewa/task given by Panj Pyaare. Eg: doing a lot of sewa of Panth and listening to one Akhand Paath sahib was a condition for the abhilakhis in times of Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh Ji. Same was with Nihang Samprada. Different tasks/sewa were given to test their longing to become 'Guru Ka Sikh'. Do you think in today's times, people who take Amrit actually give their heads to Satguru? It is because of this that they live their life in their own comfort zone. Once we have submitted our head to Satguru, we have to live according to his hukam and follow Rehat. When one gives his head, then the question of not following any hukam should not even arise. Leave sarbloh but we don't even strive to follow the hukams of guru sahib which are verified and authentic. The whole Panth does not agree on sarbloh being Rehat of guru sahib, fine. But atleast we should follow Rehats which are clear cut mentioned in Rehatnamey and all of these ARE MANDATORY. And they are not much difficult to follow. Some difficult rehats like Dietary bibek are MANDATORY and one should strive to follow it if not fully following it. But these are again my opinions. I am not a rehitvaan Sikh. Whatever that I wrote applies to me too and I accept my dhill in following Rehat. Trimandeep Singh

I didn't say one is superior to another. Not at all. One can never be superior to another just because one follows more Rehat. But why do you think one has to follow Rehat according to one's personal avastha? If you are saying one should deliberately follow particular Rehats and leave others then please explain this. Naam is treasure and Rehat is protection. We should try to follow as much hukams guru sahib as we can. But Kamaayi of some Rehats does depend on avastha. Having Partakh darshan of Guru sahib is a Rehat????? Well guru sahib says one should japp naam 24/7. But this isn't a Rehat! One can only reach this avastha after a lot of abhyaas and guru sahib's kirpa. However, guru sahib has also ordered us to not eat anything before reciting Nitnem Banis in Rehtanamey. You can say that before having darshan of Dhur ki Baani, we can't have food. So, technically we also eat food after talking with guru sahib (reading bani). Well this was said in one of the articles I pasted and I clearly said that I DON'T agree with this because Baba Nand Singh Ji was a Brahmgyani who was NOT a sarblohi. As long as one abstains from bajjar qurehits, one can call himself a Sikh. If one doesn't read nitnem, amritvela, keep 5 kakaars then he is a TANKHAIYA. This is my opinion that one remains in the panth until a bajjar qurehit is committed. This is what is wrote Bhai sahib. **************************** Well, the opinion of Bhai sahib Randhir Singh Ji on high avastha gursikhs who keep less Rehat is absolutely on point. However, the motive of this article (written by X gursikh) was to prove that without sarbloh, one cannot reach brahmgyan. I do not completely agree with this because Nanaksar Mahapurush were not strict sarblohis and as per my knowledge, ate from non Sikhs also. Not sure of this but they did reach brahmgyani avastha. But 'Khalse di Roti Beti di Saanjh Khalse Naal' is mandatory Rehat of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. @paapiman @Ragmaala Was Baba Nand Singh Ji a sarblohi? Did he also eat from the hands non amritdharis? ************************** Well I am still firm on the point that all Rehats are mandatory. However Kamaayi of some rehats like dietary bibek, Amrit Vela, sarbloh, gurmukhi baana can only be done when one reaches a certain avastha with kirpa of Guru sahib. And obviously you are right in saying that Naam is the most important. Without naam Kamaayi, Rehat is useless because when you have no treasure then what's the use of protecting it? Bhul chuk maaf Trimandeep Singh

This myth/popular opinion that some rehats are mandatory and some are optional is not in line with Gurmat. Either it is Rehat or it is not. Simple. And nowhere in any of the Rehatnamey, is it mentioned that 'this' Rehat is optional. A Sikh should try to do Kamaayi of all Rehats and hukams or at least strive to follow them. I think they are one of the most dedicated gursikhs today who are doing so much for the panth. I don't think they are dhille in following any Rehat. They are Panj Granthi nitnemis, 24/7 baana even at work, strict sarblohis, always are adorned with Shastars and other strict Rehats. If you think Jhatka,havan etc is REHAT then please give evidence from Rehatnamey. As per my knowledge, they are not a HUKAM of guru sahib. (They are also against Jhatka and Havan) Trimandeep Singh

In another thread, I told you about opinions of Sikh scholars and mahapurush on offering of degh and eatables to guru Granth sahib Ji. Well, I don't think kirpan bhet is a widely practiced Maryada. Is it done in Damdami Taksaal? I am not sure about it. Many Sikh scholars have different opinions on it and I am neutral on this topic. I just wanted you to know about this puraatan evidence of kirpan bhet. Trimandeep Singh

Bhai sahib, as I said in my previous post, Bibek is very broad term. It not only contains Dietary Bibek but Simran Bibek also. I would paste an article of a gursikh here regarding Bibek. Edit: @paapiman ji, here's a post taken from GurmatBibek.com about relationship between Rehat Bibek and Simran Bibek. ***************************** Relationship between Simran Bibek and Rehit Bibek Bhai Sahib on Simran Bibek and Rehit Bibek Original Text: ਪੂਰਨ ਬਿਬੇਕ ਦੇ ਕਿਸੇ ਇਕ ਅੰਗ ਉਤੇ ਹੀ ਕਮਾਈ ਦਾ ਸਾਰਾ ਜ਼ੋਰ ਦੇਣਹਾਰੇ ਅਸਲ ਮੰਜ਼ਲ ਉਤੇ ਨਹੀਂ ਅਪੜ ਸਕਦੇ। ਖਾਸ ਕਰਕੇ ਸਾਰ ਬਿਬੇਕ ਸਿਫਤਿ ਸਾਲਾਹ ਦੇ ਸਹਾਈ ਸਾਧਨ ਸੰਪੰਨ ਕਿਸੇ ਇਕ ਬਿਬੇਕ ਕਰਮ ਨੂੰ ਫੜਕੇ, ਉਸੇ ਦੀ ਕਮਾਈ ਤੇ ਸਾਰਾ ਤਾਣ ਲਾਈ ਰਖਣਾ, ਉਸ ਦੇ ਕਮਾਉਣਹਾਰੇ ਨੁੰ ਇਸ ਧੋਖੇ ਵਿਚ ਫਸਾ ਦਿੰਦਾ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਓਹ ਓਸੇ ਬਿਬੇਕ ਕਰਮ ਨੂੰ ਮੁਖ ਅਤੇ ਸਾਰ ਕਰਮ ਸਮਝਣ ਲੱਗ ਪੈਂਦਾ ਹੈ, ਜਿਸ ਕਰਕੇ ਓਹ ਅਸਲ ਨਿਸ਼ਾਨੇ ਤੋਂ ਉਕ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ ਅਤੇ ਉਕਿਆ ਹੀ ਰਹਿੰਦਾ ਹੈ। ਖਾਨ ਪਾਨ ਬਿਬੇਕ ਅਸੂਲ ਦੇ ਸੰਜਮੀ ਜੋ ਏਸੇ ਸੰਜਮ ਨੂੰ ਹੀ ਪਰਮ ਧਰਮ ਸਮਝਣ ਲੱਗ ਤਾਂ ਏਹ ਓਹਨਾਂ ਦੀ ਅਧੋਗਤੀ ਨੁੰ ਪ੍ਰਾਪਤ ਹੋਣ ਵਾਲੀ ਭੁਲ ਹੈ। ਏਸ ਦੇ ਉਲਟ ਜੇ ਕੋਈ ਇਹ ਭੀ ਚਾਹੇ ਕਿ ਬਿਨਾ ਸਾਧਨ ਸੰਪੰਨ ਬਿਬੇਕ ਕਰਮਾਂ ਦੀ ਕਮਾਈ ਦੇ ਸਾਰ ਬਿਬੇਕ ਸਿਫਤਿ ਸਾਲਾਹ ਦੀ ਕਮਾਈ ਵਾਲੀ ਉਚੀ ਮੁਖਿ ਮੰਜ਼ਲ ਇਕ ਦਮ ਪਰਾਪਤ ਹੋ ਜਾਏਗੀ ਇਹ ਭੀ ਕੱਚਾ ਅਤੇ ਬਿਰਥਾ ਖਿਆਲ ਹੈ। Humble Translation: To stress on only one part of complete Bibek, does not allow such person to reach the destination (spiritual destination). In particular, to hold on to one of the aiding Karam (Rehit Karams) of Supreme Sifat-Salah Karam (Naam Karam) and to put all effort on earning this aiding Karam, entangles such person in a deception (Dhokha) that he starts considering this particular Bibek Karam to be the supreme Karam and because of this, he gets led away from the main aim and stays away from the main aim. The ones who follow the discipline of dietary Bibek and start thinking that this discipline or restraint alone is the supreme Karam, then this mistake becomes the cause of their fall. Contrary to this (aforementioned), if someone wants to quickly achieve the high destinations of Sifat-Salaah Bibek, without keeping the aiding Bibek Karams (Rehit and Hukams other than Naam and Gurbani), then this too is an unripe and a vain thought. Vichaar: Bhai Sahib has very diligently put forward a very important thought about relationship between Simran Bibek and Rehit Bibek. Basically what Bhai Sahib is saying is that Simran Bibek is the supreme Karam that Gurmukhs should do but to be able to do Simran Bibek, the aiding Karams, which are called Rehit Bibek Karams, are required to be done. Bhai Sahib makes it clear that the main aim is Simran Bibek but sometimes, some Gursikhs who follow Rehit Bibek, start thinking that one part of their Rehit Bibek e.g. Dietary Bibek is the supreme Karam and they start putting all their efforts in keeping this Bibek and unwittingly ignore the Simran Bibek. Bhai Sahib is saying that this results in their spiritual downfall. On the other hand, if someone wants to do Simran Bibek i.e. do the supreme Karam of Sifat-Salah of Vaheguru, without keeping Rehit-Bibek, then too they are unlikely to meet success. While Rehit Bibek is not the supreme Karam but at the same time it is the vital Karam that is required to earn the supreme Karam of Sifat Salah or Simran. Some people ask what happens to the Naam Kamaaee of people who don’t keep Rehit Bibek. The answer is what happens to the milk that is poured in a utensil that has many holes? The milk all drains out of the holes. Same way, the Naam Kamaaee and Gurbani Kamaaee of people who don’t obey Guru Sahib’s Hukam of keeping Rehit, gets wasted in compensating for not keeping Rehit. First of all, ones who don’t obey Guru Sahib’s Hukam of keeping Rehit, are unable to do real Kamaaee of Naam and Gurbani but if due to their past spiritual Kamaaee, they are able to do Kamaaee, it gets wasted to compensate for the sins earned by not obeying Guru Sahibs Hukam of keeping Rehit. Simran Bibek is a treasure and Rehit Bibek is the protection or security of this treasure. Now, if one has all kind of security and protection walls to protect the treasure, but no treasure at all, then what good is the effort to keep such security? Same way, if there is treasure but no security, then it is likely to get stolen. So both treasure and security is required. A Sikh must obey all Hukams of Guru Sahib including the supreme Hukam of Simran Bibek and aiding Hukam of Rehit Bibek. Gursikhi is about obeying Guru Sahib's Hukams. ***************************** Daas would also like to add that there are other types of bibek too. Akhaan (eyes) da Bibek: How a gursikh perceives or sees something. A kalyugi may see a woman with kaam but a gursikh sees a daughter, sister or a mother in another sex. Kannan (Ears) da Bibek: What a gursikh hears and listens too. A gursikh never listens to ninda or chugli and tries to listen to Amrit bani only at all times. Mooh (mouth) da bibek: A gursikh never swears or abuses with the same mouth he/she uses to recite Baani. There can be many more. These were just to name a few. Trimandeep Singh

Not sure about this. Different definitions and versions of bibek in Khalsa Panth. Trimandeep Singh

This is what I was saying. We can say Sarbloh Bibek is a stricter Dietary Bibek. A person who eats outside food prepared by non Sikhs in Sarbloh utensils CANNOT be called sarblohi. Trimandeep Singh

Well, Bibek is very broad term. It had many sub types like Simran bibek, Rehat bibek, sarbloh bibek etc. According to Gurmat Bibek Gursikhs and Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh Ji, sarbloh is guru sahib's Rehat and everyone should follow it or atleast strive to follow it. A Bibeki is someone who keeps all Rehat or follows most of Rehat (and striving to follow others), who does naam bhagti etc. Basically, close to perfect Sikh, lol. One who is not sarblohi CAN'T be called a bibeki. One who is Bibeki SHOULD be sarblohi. And you may have read in the previous post that nowadays sampradas have developed their own version and definition of Bibek. So, we don't know which is the MOST ACCURATE definition of Bibek and who can be called a Bibeki. LET'S LEAVE IT HERE ONLY. Trimandeep Singh

Only a sarbloh Kara makes a kakaar. Nowadays, people wear steel, silver and gold karey which is Manmat. The worst thing is that people don't even know the significance of a Kara. In India, all my classmates (all Hindus) wear a Kara. Even a Muslim friend of mine wears a Kara, lol. But they don't know the logic behind it and just wear it to look cool. I remember when I was in 5th standard (I was a pure Manmukh), I would play Kara fight with my friends. We used to spin our karey on the table and the karey used to hit each other (like the famous beyblades games) and the one which keeps spinning in the end wins. Guru sahib kirpa karan teh Budhi bakshan Trimandeep Singh

Guru Gobind Singh Ji's bachan on Sarbloh. Taken from Tapoban.Org *************************** The Evidence - Sarbloh Rehat Bachan Singh Sagar Granth is solely based on the life of Guru Gobind Singh Jee written in Brij language following on from the ‘Bilas’ parampara of writings. A copy of this Granth is kept at Moti Bagh Library Patiala ref no 102 it has 250 pages of content. The evidence of Sarbloh Rehat appears in the 12th chapter of Chamkaur Judh. The Bachan of Sarbloh Rehat is given after meeting Pir Muhammad. Guru Gobind Singh Jee has been recorded to have said the following Vaach-Bachan ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਵਾਚ ਚੌਪਈ ਤਬ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰ ਇਹ ਵਾਕ ਉਚਾਰੇ ਹਾਲੀ ਜਾ ਜਬ ਖੇਤ ਮਝਾਰੇ I ਸਰਬ ਲੋਹ ਕੀ ਫਾਲੀ ਭਈ I ਖੇਤ ਲੁਣਨ (ਕੱਟਣਾ) ਦਾਤੀ ਲੋਹ ਲਈ II ੭੭ II ਗਾਹਿ ਨਾਜੁ ਜਬ ਮਿਣਨੇ ਲਾਰੋ ਮੁੰਦ੍ਰਾ(ਖਾਣਾ) ਲੋਹ ਮੇ ਪਗ ਲਤਾਰੋ I ਤਾਸ ਤੀਆ ਜਬ ਛੜਨੈਂ ਗਈ I ਮੂਸਲ ਸਿਯਾਂਮ ਲੋਹ ਨਿਰਮਈ II ੭੮ II ਚੱਕੀ ਲਗੀ ਪੀਸਣੈਂ ਦਾਣੇ I ਕਿੱਲੀ ਲੋਹ ਸਕਲ ਜਗੁ ਜਾਣੇ I ਮੋਇ ਮੈਦਾ ਜਬ ਤਾਮੁ (ਭਾਂਡਾ) ਬਢਾਇਯੋ I ਸਰਬ ਲੋਹ ਕਾ ਤਵਾ ਤਪਾਇਯੋ II ੭੯ II ਜਬੈ ਕੀਜੀਐ ਭੇਟ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਣਾ I ਤਬ ਹੀ ਹੋਤ ਰਵਾ (ਜਾਇਜ਼) ਯਾਹਿ ਖਾਂਣਾ I ਜੇ ਜਗ ਮਾਂਹਿ ਮੁਰੀਦ ਹਮਾਰੇ I ਕਰਦ ਫੇਰ ਸਭ ਕਰਤ ਅਹਾਰੇ II ੮੦ II Here Guru Gobind Singh Jee starts off by illustrating the role of a Farmer in his fields explaining that Sarbloh is the tool to employ for his Khalsa to carry out his routine in the same way a Farmer would use his tool to cut his fields. Guru Jee further explains that food needs to placed in Loh (Iron) and that Loh (Iron) is the medium in which negativity is crushed. Guru Jee also mentions the need to do Kripan Bhet in order to make the food worthy for consumption. ***************************** ਜਬੈ ਕੀਜੀਐ ਭੇਟ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਣਾ I ਤਬ ਹੀ ਹੋਤ ਰਵਾ (ਜਾਇਜ਼) ਯਾਹਿ ਖਾਂਣਾ I @paapiman @Ragmaala here's a bachan of Guru Gobind Singh Ji on doing Kirpan bhet before eating food. Trimandeep Singh

VERY INSPIRING AND MOTIVATING POST BY A GURSIKH ON SARBLOH. THIS GURISKH WROTE THIS AS AN ADVICE TO A PERSON WHO WAS NOT ABLE TO FIGHT KAAM (LUST). ********************************** Now why daas is telling to do this Here is the reason deen duniya de malak guru gobind singh ordained sikhs to keep sarbloh bibek Reason. - SARBLOH (PURE IRON) is immune from kalyug., SarBloh is the ONLY WEAKNESS OF KALYUG READ this dasam granth ki bani. Sarb kaal ki sada rachymne humne Sarbloh ki sada rachya humne The god is my protector The all iron lord is forever my PROTECTOR READ SARBLOH GRANTH. IN that sarbloh all iron lord came and saved devtas from daint as we know this whole world is maya Kalyug has the only one way to enter humans That is through food Food eaten is plastic aluminuim steel is devastting to health but collects negative energy from atmosphere that is kalyug Thats y the whole world is suferung from DISEASES MENTALLY AND PHYSICALLY REMEMBER if give full pehra of sarblob and nothing else from outside u are immune from panj chor FOODS ALLOWED Cheru, Havis Annam, milk, wheat, barley, bread, ghee, butter, dried ginger, green gram, potatoes, dates, plantains, curd, almonds and fruits are all Sattvic articles of food. Cheru is a mixture of boiled white rice, ghee, white sugar and milk. Havis Annam is also a similar preparation. This is very useful for spiritual aspirants. Milk is a perfect food by itself, containing as it does, the different nutritive constituents in a well balanced proportion. T Fruits are great energy producers. Bananas, grapes, sweet oranges, apples, pomegranates and mangoes are wholesome and nutritious. Dry fruits such as grapes, raisins, dates and figs, sweet fresh fruits such as bananas, mangoes, Sapotas, melons, limes, pineapples, apples, wood apples and sweet pomegranates, sugar and sugar-candy, honey, sago, arrowroot, milk, butter and ghee tender coconut water, coconut, almonds, pistachio nuts, Toor Dhal, Ragi, barley, maize, wheat, rice of red paddy whose bran is only partly removed and rice of good smell or sweet taste, and all preparations from any of these grains, and white pumpkin are Sattvic articles.. Foods NOT ALLOWED (FORBIDDEN) Highly seasoned dishes, hot curries, Chutnies, chillies, meat, fish, eggs, tobacco, liquor, sour articles, oil of all kinds, garlic, onions, bitter things, sour curd, stale food, acids, astringents, pungent stuffs, roasted things, over-ripe FRUITSs, are not at all beneficial. Onions and garlic are worse than meat. . , sprouted grains, ll sorts of chillies, Things fried in oil or ghee, pickles of all sorts, fried rice, , tea, coffee, cocoa, all kinds of foods that are dry and burning, foods that are bitter, sour, saline, over-hot and pungent, tobacco and its preparations, foods and drinks containing liquor or narcotic drugs such as opium and bhang, food preparations which are stale or have become cold subsequent to their removal from the hearth or which have lost their natural taste, smell, colour or form, or which are remnants after being eaten away by other persons, animals, birds or insects, or which contain dust, hair, straw or other rubbish, are either Rajasic or Tamasic by nature. Lemon juice, rock salt, ginger and white pepper can be used in moderation. No junk fast foods forever Sant bhindrawale g always ate daal made with salt and ghee..in sarbloh thats it. Dhan bhai randhir singh g Kept sarbloh bibek in jail for 16 yrs remember . When he was shifted to jail For forty days he didnt eat anything even water Bcoz there was no iron utensil Jailor took every measure to extreme to make bhai sahb eat food from other utensil but he didnot Jailor tied him beat him to death Broke his FRONT TEETH but he didnot.. After that sarbloh was brought to jail and then bhai sahb prepared food and ate Now. U can think there might be SOME VERYY VERY STRONG REASON BEHIND SARBLOH ONE THING DAAS CAN DEFINETLY SAY SIKH WILL NEVER PROGRESS to extraordinary hight in SPRITUALLITY without sarbloh Like singhs in past used to have like sant bhindrawale h bhai randhir singh g These are some of the reasons daas know There mighe be million reasons Only dasmesh pita guru gobind singh knows AFFECT OF BANI ON sarbloh. We all know bani is energy and it has a effect on water making it amrit Its greatest affect is on iron Thats y satguru made amrit in sarbloh bata We know iron gets charged as it contain magnetic property Khalsa g with bani recited on iron it gets heavilly charged Now IMAGINE BANI RECITED ON A SIKH whos wholle body is every part even minutest part His whole body made of iron What would be the effect on such person Think?? Eating in sarbloh one will feel in about 2 months that his or her concentration is marvelous just like a laser light no mind wavering So a sikh can recite bani with concentration Iron attracts OXYGEN LIFE GIVING GAS Now imagine just think IRON in every pore of gursikh carrying full oxygen in every part of body and to brain especially in full mode Needed for. Peaceful meditative mind A sarblohi can run 50km without any stress because of full blow of oxygen to body amazing the worldly people how he can do that Iron makes the negative paarticles convert to postive hence protecting body U can see the whole world uses chemicalls Pesticides fertillizers killing millions Who will save us from this?? Answer- sarbloh.. . Thanks to sarbloh a precious gift from my lord damesh pita Bardoalam shaha guru gobind singh Shahe shehansha guru gobind singh Khalsa g this is all dass personal experience One should tie hightend dastar bunga and keep SARBLOB CHAKAR (ROUND PURE IRON DISC) AND SHARP KNIFE ON HEAD same reason for protection from kalyugi forces sprtuall attacts Same reason food made in sarbloh utensil is immune from panj chor and doot of kalyug The problem is now a days nobody knows this All are following there own bibeks. Because some bad forces forces are trying to kill sikhi sikh kom They know sikh are powerful beyond imagination So they took sarbloh from sikhi SABLOH IS THE BACKBONE OF SIKHI Sarbloh sikhi di neeh h IT GIVES HEALTH. Physically and mentally and spritually to sikh kom Sikh should keep more and more pure iron weapons with him If not satisfied or any doubt on my words then Read about sikhs 300 years ago ''each one of them is having body like rock and giant in health and each one is equal to fifty men' ' ''it is said behram khan killed wid asses but even if he would come face to face to them (sikhs) even he would bow before them '' Other one - '' nobody can stand against them They come roaring to battles it takes no time for them to get battle from hind to sind'' Eh tarrifa san sikh kom dia ****************************** I completely agree with this post except the point garlic and onion are worse than meat. The gursikh who wrote this post was well appreciated but also criticised for mixing ayurvedic philosophy into Gurmat Sarbloh Maryada. Onion and garlic are safe, no harm. Trimandeep Singh

Daas would also like to expand more on Sarbloh Marayada. I am a moorakh and not at all rehitvaan but I would like to share my knowledge with sangat on this forum. First of all I would like to name some Gursikh Mahapurush who were strict Sarblohis. All Nihang Samprada Mahapurush, Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh Ji, Dr. Surinder Singh Ji, Sant Jarnail Singh Ji, Taksaal Mahapurakhs, Bau Mal Singh Ji etc. Many people think that Sarbloh Rehat means eating food in a sarbloh utensil. But it is far far away from that. Sarbloh Rehat: 1. Food should be cooked by you or a Rehitvaan Naam Abhiyaasi Gursikh only while reading bani. 2. Before cooking, place should be cleaned to maintain sucham. 3. Outside food not allowed to be consumed. Bhai Chaupa Singh Ji's Rehatnaama states that a Sikh should not have the following people in their rasoi (kitchen) - qurehtia (patit), person who's not wearing dastaar, a gambler, a thief, a smoker/alcoholic, a person wearing cap. ਗੁਰੂ ਕਾ ਸਿਖ, ਸਰਦਾਰ ਹੋਵੇ, ਸ਼ਾਹੂਕਾਰ ਹੋਵੇ, ਮੁਸੱਦੀ ਹੋਵੇ, ਆਪਣੇ ਲੰਗਰ ਰਸੋਈ ਵਿਚ ਸਿਖ ਰਖੇ। ਹੁਕਈ, ਟੋਪੀਆ, ਭਾਦਣੀ, ਚੋਰ, ਯਾਰ, ਜੂਏਬਾਜ਼, ਕੁਰਹਿਤੀਆ ਨਾ ਰਖੇ। (ਰਹਿਤਨਾਮਾ ਭਾਈ ਚੌਪਾ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ, ਪੰਨਾ ੮੫) TRANSALATION: A guru's Sikh whether he is a leader/chief, businessman or scholar should have only a Sikh in his Langar rasoi (kitchen). He shouldn't have a smoker, cap wearing person, Mona (person with shaved hairs), thief, immoral person, gambler, qurehtia (bemukh/patit/apostate) in his kitchen. (Bhai Chaupa Singh Ji's Rehatnaama) 4. Food should be cooked from scratch. Ingredients like salt, pepper, wheat, vegetables, fruits obviously have to be purchased from outside. But breads/creams/sauces need to be made at home. 5. I don't know any sarblohi sangat near me so I don't have much knowledge. Right now I am just keeping the Rehat of not eating from hands of smokers or alcoholics and eat food prepared at home only from scratch. No outside products used. When I learn to cook food, then I hope I will be able to become a proper sarblohi singh. Guru sahib kirpa karan Trimandeep Singh

TAKEN FROM WWW.GURMATBIBEK.COM **************************** Sarbloh Bibek - How bad it is to not keep Sarbloh Bibek How bad it is to not keep Sarbloh Bibek Original Text: ਕੈਸੀ ਅਚਰਜ ਅਣਹੋਣੀ ਅਤੇ ਨਾਕਾਬਲਿ ਬਰਦਾਸ਼ਤ ਵਾਰਤਾ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਗੁੜ੍ਹਤੀ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਦੀ ਸਾਨੂੰ ਸਰਬ ਲੋਹ ਵਿਚ ਮਿਲੇ, ਗਫੇ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਭੋਜਨ ਦੇ ਸਾਨੂੰ ਸਰਬ ਲੋਹ ਵਿਖੇ ਦਿਤੇ ਜਾਣ ਅਤੇ ਕਰਦ ਭੇਟ ਦੁਆਰਾ ਭੁੰਚਣ ਯੋਗ ਪ੍ਰਸ਼ਾਦ ਨੂੰ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਭੋਜਨ ਕਰਕੇ, ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਛਕੇ ਜਾਣ ਦੀ ਸਿਖਛਾ ਸਿਖਾਈ ਸ਼ਰਧਾਈ ਜਾਵੇ।… ਪਰੰਤੂ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਮੰਡਲ ਤੋਂ ਬਾਹਰ ਨਿਕਸਣ ਸਾਰ ਹੀ ਓਹੋ ਪਿਤਲ ਕਾਂਸੀ! ਕੀ ਏਹ ਐਨ ਐਸੀ ਘ੍ਰਿਣਾ ਯੋਗ ਗੱਲ ਨਹੀਂ ਜੈਸੇ ਕਿ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਦਾ ਬੁੱਤਾ ਪੂਰਿਆ ਅਤੇ ਏਹ ਬੁੱਤਾ ਪੂਰਾ ਕਰਨ ਸਮੇਂ ਕਛਹਿਰਾ ਸਜਾਈ ਰਖਿਆ, ਫੇਰ ਉਤਾਰ ਘਤਿਆ ਅਤੇ ਓਹੋ ਧੋਤੀ, ਤੰਬੀ, ਲੰਗੋਟੀ। ਜੈਸੇ ਕਿ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਛਕਕੇ ਕਛਹਿਰੇ ਦੇ ਥਾਉਂ ਆਨਮਤੀ ਦੀ ਨਿਆਈ ਬਹੁੜ ਧੋਤੀਪੋਸ਼ ਹੋਣਾ ਗੁਰਸਿਖੀ ਦੀ ਖਾਲਸ ਰਹਿਤ ਰਹਿਣੀ ਨੂੰ ਲੀਕ ਲਾਉਣਾ ਹੈ ਤੈਸੀ ਹੀ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਧਾਰੀ ਹੋਕੇ ਅਤੇ ਓਤਪੋਤ ਪੂਰਨ ਸਰਬ ਲੋਹੀ ਸਿੰਘ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਬੀਰ ਬਹਾਦਰ ਬਣਕੇ ਬਾਹੁੜ ਕਾਂਸੀ ਪਿਤਲ ਆਦਿ ਆਨਮਤੀ ਰੀਤ ਗਹਿਕੇ, ਖਾਲਸਈ ਸੂਰਬੀਰਤਾ ਨੂੰ ਲਾਜ ਲਾਉਣਾ ਹੈ। (Gurmat Bibek, Page 252) Humble Translation: What an astonishing and intolerable incident it is that we get our Gudti (first sweet substance that is administered to a newborn child) of Amrit in Sarbloh, morsels (Gaffe) of Amrit-food (Degh) we receive in Sarbloh and through Kirpan we are taught to turn eatable food into Amrit food … but as soon as we get out of the Amrit Sinchaar Mandal (place), we start using same aluminium and brass! Is this action not just as despicable (hate-worthy) as wearing the Kachhera to fulfill the task of getting Amrit and then removing the Kachhera and wearing same Dhoti, Tambi and Langoti. Just as after receiving Amrit, removing Kachhera and becoming Dhoti-wearing is dishonouring the pure Rehit and conduct of Gursikhi, same way, after becoming Amritdhari and becoming Sarblohi Singh Khalsa Bir Bahadur, adopting ways of Aanmati (non-Sikhs) e.g. again using aluminium and brass etc. is dishonouring the Khalsa gallantry or fortitude. Vichaar: This is a very significant passage from Bhai Sahib’s writings, and very strongly in favour of keeping Sarbloh Bibek. Bhai Sahib has equated not keeping Sarbloh Bibek to not wearing Kachhera after becoming Amritdhari. Furthermore, we see that Bhai Sahib has called using other metals for cooking extremely despicable or hate-worthy or loathsome (ਘ੍ਰਿਣਾ ਯੋਗ). This is coming from such person who had reached great zeniths of Sikh mysticism and one who had received Akali-Jyot Saroopi Darshan of the doer of this universe – Vaheguru. Now we can see why Bhai Sahib held on to the Rehit of Sarbloh Bibek even in extremely difficult conditions in jail. Bhai Sahib showed to the world that a Sikh by the Kirpa of Guru Sahib, can keep Rehit under all conditions. If Sarbloh was an optional Rehit, what was the need for Bhai Sahib to go through such hardships? The bottomline is that Sarbloh and all other Rehits of Guru Sahib are a must for a Gursikh who is serious of getting somewhere spiritually. The emphasis at this time is being placed on Sarbloh Bibek because a lot of Panth today has forgotten and ignored this important Rehit. If Rehits like 5 Kakaars or 4 Bajjar Kurehits had been in similar situation as Sarbloh Bibek, the emphasis would have been placed on these Rehits as well. All Rehits are important for a Gursikh to follow. ***************************** This was the most convincing point for me to believe that Sarbloh is the mandatory Rehat of Khalsa. Trimandeep Singh

TAKEN FROM WWW.GURMATBIBEK.COM ************************** Sarbloh Bibek - Sarbloh Rehit as Important as 5 Kakaars Sarbloh Rehit as Important as 5 Kakaars Original Text: ਸਾਨੂੰ ਅਤਿਅੰਤ ਅਫਸੋਸ ਨਾਲ ਕਹਿਣਾ ਪੈਂਦਾ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਅਸਾਡੇ ਬਹੁਤ ਸਾਰੇ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਪ੍ਰਚਾਰਕ ਜਥਿਆਂ ਨੇ ਭੀ ਸਰਬ ਲੋਹ ਦੀ ਸਾਰ ਮੁਖੀ ਸਾਰ ਨਹੀਂ ਜਾਣੀ ਨਹੀਂ ਤਾਂ ਪੰਜ ਕਕਾਰਾਂ ਦੀ ਨਿਆਈ ਸਰਬ ਲੋਹ ਦੀ ਰਹਿਤ ਦ੍ਰਿੜਾਵਣ ਲਈ ਭੀ ਜ਼ੋਰ ਦਿਤਾ ਜਾਂਦਾ। ਪਰੰਤੂ ਉਕਤ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਪ੍ਰਚਾਰਕਾਂ ਵਲੋਂ ਸਰਬ ਲੋਹ ਦੀ ਰਹਿਤ ਦਾ ਸਪਸ਼ਟ ਤੌਰ ਤੇ ਨ ਦ੍ਰਿੜਾਇਆ ਜਾਣਾ ਏਸ ਗੱਲ ਦਾ ਸਬੂਤ ਨਹੀਂ ਕਿ ਸਰਬ ਲੋਹ ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਅਸੂਲ ਹੀ ਨਹੀਂ। (Gurmat Bibek, Page 252) Humble Translation: We have to say this with extreme disappointment that a lot of our Amrit Administering Jathas too have not recognized the supreme importance of Sarbloh otherwise, similar to Punj Kakaars, on the Rehit of Sarbloh too an emphasis would have been applied. But the failure by the aforementioned Amrit Preachers, to clearly preach the Rehit of Sarbloh, is not a proof that Sarbloh is not a Gurmat principle. Vichaar: In the above passage Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh jee has made it clear that Sarbloh Bibek is a very important Gurmat principle and just because it is not widely preached and followed, is not a proof that it's not a Rehit of Guru Sahib or that we can choose to ignore it. Wearing Dastaar is a Hukam of Guru Sahib but a majority of Sikh women don't wear a Dastaar and from this we should not deduce that wearing a Dastaar is not mandatory for women. Bhai Sahib is clearly saying that Sarbloh Bibek is just as important as wearing Kakaars is. ***************************** Trimandeep Singh

TAKEN FROM WWW.GURMATBIBEK.COM **************************** Sarbloh Bibek - People who don't keep Sarbloh but have High Avastha What about People who don't keep Sarbloh but have High Avastha? Original Text: ਨਾਮ ਦੀ ਤਨਕ ਮਾਤਰ ਟਕੋਰ ਲਗਣ ਨਾਲ ਜੋ ਕਚ-ਬਿਰਤੀਏ ਹੋਰਸ ਸਰਬ ਰਹਿਤਾਂ ਬਹਿਤਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਛਡਿ ਬਹਿੰਦੇ ਹਨ, ਬੁਸ ਉਹਨਾਂ ਦੀ ਓਹ ਕਿਣਕੇ ਮਾਤ੍ਰ ਕਮਾਈ ਓਥੇ ਦੀ ਓਥੇ ਹੀ (ਥਾਂਓ ਦੀ ਥਾਂਓ ਹੀ) ਖੜੋ ਜਾਂਦੀ ਹੈ। ਗੁਰਸਿਖੀ ਦੀ ਰਹਿਤ ਰਹਿਣੀ ਦੇ ਅਸੂਲ ਪਰੇ ਤੋਂ ਪਰੇ ਹਨ ਅਤੇ ਏਹਨਾਂ ਸਰਬ ਅਸੂਲਾਂ ਦਾ ਕਮਾਉਣਾ ਬਿਬੇਕ ਕਰਨੀ ਅਰਥਾਤ ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਬਿਬੇਕ ਹੈ। (Gurmat Bibek, page 259). Humble Translation: People with unripe-concentration, who after a mild stroke of Naam give up other Rehits and styles (Bahit), their little bit of Kamaaee (spiritual earning) stays stuck there. The Rehits and styles of Gursikhi are beyond of the beyond and to earn all principles (of Gurmat) is called Bibek Karni i.e. Gurmat Bibek. Vichaar: Sometimes, due to massive Bhagti from previous lives or other spiritual reasons, some individuals experience mystical spiritual states without keeping full Rehit. Some fortunate ones like Bibi Nand Kaur (sister of Bhai Gurdeep Singh Ranglay Sajjan) experienced Jyot Vigaasi Avastha even before Amrit Chhak. This was because of her Dasam-Duaari brother's wish to have her sister experience Guru Sahib's Kala. But this does not mean that Rehit and other Hukams of Guru Sahib should be ignored, nor did Bibi Nand Kaur ignore to take Amrit and keep Rehit. She did take Amrit later on. If such fortunate individuals who have high mystical experiences due to previous Kamaayee, don't obey Hukams of Guru Sahib and keep Rehit, their mystical experiences either stop getting enhanced or totally cease to occur, as previous Kamaayee fades out. This is based on a writing of Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh jee. He has written that a Sikh should strive to obey all Hukams of Guru Sahib. ******************************** Well, the opinion of Bhai sahib Randhir Singh Ji on high avastha gursikhs who keep less Rehat is absolutely on point. However, the motive of this article (written by X gursikh) was to prove that without sarbloh, one cannot reach brahmgyan. I do not completely agree with this because Nanaksar Mahapurush were not strict sarblohis and as per my knowledge, ate from non Sikhs also. Not sure of this but they did reach brahmgyani avastha. But 'Khalse di Roti Beti di Saanjh Khalse Naal' is mandatory Rehat of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. @paapiman @Ragmaala Was Baba Nand Singh Ji a sarblohi? Did he also eat from the hands non amritdharis? Trimandeep Singh