gsingh00

which books have been published by gyani kirpal singh?

extremely quick is an understatement

they dont need to do anything, people that want to find the site, will find it.

here is baba gurbachan singh ji's views, ^^listen to the whole file, around 6:30 sant ji's view becomes crystal clear. http://gurmatveechar.com/audio/katha/01_Puratan_Katha/Sant_Gurbachan_Singh_%28Bhindran_wale%29/Guru_Granth_Sahib_Larivaar_Katha/Volume_14_Ang_1254-1351/032--Sant.Gurbachan.Singh.%28Bhindran.wale%29--Raag.Malaar--Ang-1289.%28Vaar%29.mp3

a good way to start would be to first learn/re-learn moharni with an ustaad that has done santhia. After that do nitnem/panj granthi santhia with an ustaad. Upon doing both of these you should begin to understand the basics of where vishraams, jamkees, bindis, adhaks, halants, etc. are to be put in. If you have time, do Guru granth sahib ji santhia with an ustaad, there are many in the UK. If you don't have time to go to regular classes you can use a combination of the santhia recordings on gurmatveechar.com and the other taksal websites, as well as bhagat jaswant singh's (Bhagat ji's) vishraam pothi (gursewak.com). The pothi is an amazing resource to teach yourself, however, before using the pothi you need to already understand basics such as moharni, how to pronounce each letter, and the basics of where adhaks are inserted.

in short, jsingh and cul have answered your question, but if you want a deeper answer that explains the different types of karams (paralabdh, kirimaan, sanchit), what they are, how they are formed, how they are destroyed, what they are responsible for, etc...listen to baba hari singh's katha on gurmatveechar.com, it comes under present day katha->baba hari singh->karam katha. Also, if you listen to it, also make sure you listen to the saakhian at the end.

its an excellent resource, but I wouldn't call it shudh santhia

the tika is pretty much the transcribed version of the japji sahib katha on gurmatveechar.com by baba gurbachan singh. Listen to it if u cant find a copy to read. Listening will also save you hours of reading time as baba gurbachan singhs katha is very fast. Gyani takhur singhs katha of jap ji sahib is also similar to the steek.

rajkaregakhalsa.net keertan.org gurbaniupdesh.com (i believe it is .com) all 3 have paath of the saloks by gyani ram singh. Don't download the mp3 version though, download the other one as it is better quality.

Sikhvibes.com->kirtan->nitnem santhia->bhagat jaswant Singh or something like that

Singh2, I realize that you have good intentions, but if you think online debate will go anywhere you are misguided. "Khalsa fauj" has been proven wrong so many times on so many message boards on so many topics but still insists that everyone other then him, darshan Singh and jeeonwala are bahmans in paggs. All you accomplish by posting on message boards is give them fuel to come up with more contrived nonsense. Live debate is the only solution but I doubt that will even work because the basic understanding of sikhi differs so greatly between both groups. If you really want to counter these clowns, perhaps you should work on making dasam Granth literature, steeks and katha more accessible to youth (e.g. translate the work of prominent scholars, record katha of dasam bani by sampardai gyanis whom are abundant in Cali, etc.).

I dont know about you guys, I'm really starting to like the terms mangos and mangowala. Balbir Singh has been posting on forums probably for years now, and even has his own website, but his greatest contribution to the world has been introducing the kirtam naam of mangowala. Since this thread isn't going anywhere (hint hint admin), I would like to propose a question to balbir singh: If one does jaap of the mantar "mangowala" what will the phal of such a jaap be?

holy crap. singh2, khalsa fauj and balbir singh are all like an uncontrollable virus that won't stop until they take over ever thread on every msg board on the internet. Here, I'll save all of you time and write the tat sidhant each of you are trying to preach: singh2: Khalsa fauj and SPN are a bunch of kala afghana heretic pseudo neosikhs The Khalsa Fauj: I am the personification of tat gurmat, the rest of you are bahmans wearing paghs Balbir Singh: Say Sat Sri Akal, eat mangoes as given by the true guru. Mod's Note: As gsingh00 pointed out, this thread has became personal battle ground. Topic closed for obvious reasons. Balbir singh let us know when you get hold of full katha and share it with us, we might re-consider re-opening this thread but for now its closed.

read bhagat jee's pothi, 113-114, or listen to baba gurbachan singh's katha, the arth are beautifully done

Balbir Singh wrote: "Please do this favor to the whole mankind. Provide one reference from the reverend Gurus where they say that 'as one reads bani, naam will automatically be absorbed inside of you'. I will also be grateful." ਆਪਿ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਲੁ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਧਾਰੇ ਹਰਿ ਆਪੇ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਮਿਲੈ ਮਿਲਾਇਆ ॥ ਜਨੁ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਬੋਲੇ ਗੁਣ ਬਾਣੀ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮਿ ਸਮਾਇਆ ॥੪॥੫॥ obviously a sikh is to do jaap of gurmantar, Baba Hari Singh is not trying to say that gurmantar jaap isn't important; it is a must. However, gurbani is much more than just updesh to jap naam, gurbani is naam roop in itself.

I am pretty sure that is baba hari singh (it sounds exactly like him), and i personally agree that those pracharaks that say bani is just updesh to jap naam are misguiding sangataan. Any katha i've lsitened to by sampardai gyanis and steeks/commentaries that I've read that were written more than 50 years ago have never reduced bani to the level of just being updesh to jap naam, and doing jap of gurmantar is where phal will come from. Perhaps in the past naam was not translated only as gurmantar. Baba Hari Singh said in that recording that as one reads bani, naam will automatically be absorbed inside of you. In bani Guru Sahib says Sukhmani sahib gives immortal (everlasting) sukh as well as 'prabh naam'. Sukhmani, sukh amrit; prabh naam. The last astpadee of sukhmani sahib can also be read to see if bani is only giving updesh to jap gurmantar. The power of bani is limitless and trying to tie it up to suit ones own motives can only be the work of the shiromani moorakh.

http://www.scribd.com/people/documents/13612912/folder/97233 most of the pothis can be obtained from the link above, and the websmaster should have the site working properly soon enough to get the rest of the pothis.

wow, i dont think anything goes through the minds of these types of people other than charitars...actually, its not even the sidhant of the charitars that go through the minds of these people; all they like to think about is homosexual relationships and anal sex...

without checking in a steek or listening to any katha on this, this is my opinion, take it for what its worth... ਤੁਮ ਕਹੋ ਦੇਵ ਸਰਬੰ ਬਿਚਾਰ ॥ ਜਿਮ ਕੀਓ ਆਪ ਕਰਤੇ ਪਸਾਰ O (ਦੇਵ) praksash roop/ poojan jog vaahiguroo, please (ਕਹੋ) tell me ਸਰਬੰ ਬਿਚਾਰ of how (ਤੁਮ) you of how you made the universe even if you take dev to mean gurdev, guru gobind singh ji makes it clear who their guru is in chaupaee sahib - aad ant ekai avtaaraa. soee guru samjhihu hamaraa

lol at how 'guru da sikh' avoided kam after being shown to be a liar.

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They introduce him as bhai sahib or gyani. LOL Some of the katha he's done has been very good though, very different than usual Dixie katha

baba avtar singh badni kalan at dixie for the remainder of the month, katha twice a day

So in other words it took you 4 (very long) posts to clarify that you still don't understand any viakaran and that your arth still have no basis. the word Nanak in both of the tuks you quoted is clearly a noun and thus refers to Satguru Nanak Dev Ji. If it was supposed to be translated as 'guru sahib says'..., then there would not be an aunkur underneath the kaka. I've read your posts in the past and you commonly throw away arth done by the teekakars of faridkot teeka and taksali arth based on them not being based on viakaran, but your last couple of posts show that it is you that has absolutely no knowledge of viakaran as nanak vs. nanak(i) vs. nanak(u) is the probably one of the most basic aspects of viakaran. The reason why taksal's mahapurkh do so many arth at times is because they believe that bani can be interpreted by viakaran, but is not bound by it and thus different vishraams and different pad chhed can be done to obtain different arth which expand on the sidhant of the shabad. You on the other hand believe that viakaran is the only way to do arth, yet you place vishraams on to spots which violate the most basic of viakaran rules. You said that vishraams play a greater role than viakaran when doing arth; however, if you believe that viakaran is the only source of defining a word, then vishraams must be dependant on viakaran. If you don't believe this, then you are nothing but a hypocrite, as you throw away arth done by taksali mahapurkh (both amritsar and damdama sahib) based on them using different pad chhed and vishraam to do arth instead of solely relying on viakaran, even though you've now shown that you manufacture the arth you want to create by violating viakaran rules. Once again you've shown yourself to have no credibilty; you go against what you preach time and time again. If you are going to reply back to this post by posting 4 more replies which don't have any relevance to anything I wrote, then I'm not going to reply back to you anymore. Flooding a message board with irrational, offtopic posts might convice people of your propoganda on sikhsangat or on bramsteele road, but I'd like to think that the people at this message board are a little smarter than that. I've wasted enough time as it is replying to you.

LOL, for someone who always crys for others to look at prof sahib singh's steek, you seem to have very little, if any, knowledge of viakaran. If you are going to make up arth of bani, please provide reference to a steek written more than 10 years ago. Faridkot, Sant Ameer Singh's steeks, taksali arth, sahib singh's steeks, bhai veer singh's steeks and gyani harbans singh's steeks all show that the arth you are doing have no basis. Either learn some basic viakaran, or please shut up. I have a hard time figuring out what is more fishy, how you make up these arth, or where you and your naastik crew came up with 5.5 million to buy the building on bramsteele road.