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bruce lung..............umm, i don't understand.....what do you mean?

i take it these are mugal weapons........... right??

Reg Dalvirs comments: would killing some-one be sin??........our immediate answer may be yes.....however if we have more insight into the situation our answer may change....i.e. would killing some-one in self defence, or defending your child be sin??.......how would you reply? thus....right/wrong are relative terms in terms of religion.....is it paap to go again religion? again, depends on the situation, but i dont think we should generalise our thinking by saying 'going again religion is wrong'........guru nanak dev ju refused to wear the janju (sacred hindu black thread)......would you class that as paap...or more so....guru ji as a paapi??

i have a couple, how do i get them on here?

a very grey area! sin and paap in my eyes are very relative terms......i.e. i dont think we can define them.....each circumstance will warrant a sighlty different 'right' and 'wrong'........ however, we all have a Conscious state of mind (i hope).....and this allows us to make decisions based on our situation.......and help us deictate what is right and wrong 4 us as individuals

intersting points........what happened that initiated such a dramatic change?? guru ji always instigated a 'ghristi jeeva' i.e. worldy duties as in a family etc along side bhagti....it might be an idea to get his some katha tapes/CD/kirtan with this message in it as he has opened up to bani so much it is more likely to strike a chord than us mere mortals.

Ever wonder what the point of life is? we must asked our selves this question a million times and come with a conclusion similar to "to gain union with the almighty waheguru/lord/allah etc.''........if thats the case....then ever questioned what bani means when the gurus wrote 'those who are pre-destined will come to unite with the true lord'.......if it is pre-destined, then do we have any control over our destiny/fate??......what do you guys think about this?

I'm no expert on budhism, but of what i have come to know, the general gist of this faith seems to be pretty similar to that of sikhi: thus i often ask 'what was the piont of creating sikhi?'.......what are your views on this??

Hey ppl. i'm new to the forum, so forgive me if i make ne mistakes, just wanted to add that this happens to b one of my favourite peoms that i read when i was holiday in a gift shop, and incidently it happens to be my best friends favourite poem too But..........how many of you can relate to this?....i.e. do you agree with what is being said in the poem, or is just a pretty day-dream type fantasy? :?:

i feel that each religion and faith overlap in belief @ some point, and i think these core principles are the true religion......we get variations in understanding and different sects forming when 'human' interpretation get involoved.....as individulas we all have the capacity of seeing the same thing and interpretting it in our own way (due to diffrenece in intellect and upbringing etc.) There is an astpadi in sukhmani sahib that talkes about ritual (don't remember it off by heart, but can get u the exact quote if u like) - it says that if u perform many religious rituals and are proud of them, then they all go to waist, as having pride in doing a poius deed just defeats the piont, --- think about it, how many sikhs in the world really understand the significance and importance of say doing an akhand paath??, they will pay the money, and just go for the bhog, is this not a ritual, only because we are sikhs doesn't mean we will get automatic salvation in doing such rituals?? because ur only getting the paath done for the sake of it, and if u have pride over this, then u might as well not do anything......so i think regardless of religion, everything we do is a ritual, unless we UNDERSTAND what we are doing, regardless of which religion u belong to. also, Bani may have reffered 2 hindus and muslims 2 explain this point, but this may be purley as a source of good analogy!......so that people (of those days and now) could relate to it and make sence of it..............(i back this up by saying that in chopei sahib, there is a tukh that says that waheguru does kirpa on all creatures, from the ant to an elephant: from this, bani is saying that kirpa is done on all forms of creature, but to be more exact, the guru could have said 'waheguru does kirpa on all, from the ameoba to the blue whale'....but how many people would understand that?--so they use examples that more people are familiar with) hope that makes sence!

(i have only read like half of all the posts, so forgive me if i repeat points already made) to answer the question of this thread, yes, rituals can be baseless and a waist of time, but with any thing u do in life and sikhi, without adequate understanding of what ur doing and why r doing it, it can become a ritualistic practice ie: bowing down infront of ur guru, doing lava in marriage.....get my point? i think the point bani is trying to convey is that parrot fashion worshiping won't get u any were, whether it be hinduism or sikhi, as knowing is not enough, we must apply, and 'galli yogg na hoi'.....etc. Once i went to one of our family friends house who is a hindu and is very devout, she has a seperate room 4 pooja, she was showing it to us and i notices she had loads of stones on the sink, i asked her what they were for and she said that she washes them each morning (with milk i think) -- that was part of her daily practice (ritual) --- now the first that came to my mind was that 'rituals don't get u anywhere-- how can she b still believe in such a thing in this day n age ' then i thought 'wait a second, this woman gets up every morning, wahses these stones and does her pooja, if u look at it, she is doing simran!! -- then i thought, whats wrong with that hunna!! whats i think it boils down to is that no matter what faith u belong to, it's easy to get cought up in daily practices that we begin to do them and loose focus on why we are doing what we doing, it's just as important to know what ur doing as well as practising it whole heartedly........so i don't think this is a paradox in bani.

fateh! faith as i understand it is to believe in something we cannot physically percept, i.e. we can't see it but have faith that it exists (beyond our five sences) belief is more of a cognitive function