Bruce Lung

Sikh kirpan is for show, poison pen is for use.

No point in upholding any suachem, because if it's in English then it can't be SGGS.

You can't ban me! I'm Bruce Lung!

Not having telepathy powers must make me a "retard" too... I get what you're saying but I'm talking about bigger achievements than petty community activism of the type that you are suggesting can bring about. For instance, a democratically elected council of guardians or caretakers, responsible for working hand in hand with local authorities, police forces and central government to keep the peace and foster an atmosphere that doesn't inhibit individuals' right to practice religion without suffering indignities or offense. The advantage of this would be that families of Sikh heritage or with Sikh links won't feel under siege when they come under pressure from self-appointed rabble rousers to change their wedding plans or whatever. A nice polite letter endorsed by local officials, and "consultations" with police etc. would work far better, and would avert accusations of being led by the ear by extremist elements in local rags and all that. If you just continue to let whoever can get the job done just get on with it, radical fringe elements' influence and power will increase. That way, concern for this type of "disrespect" will become a matter of interest only to marginalists. Do you want to be marginalised?

it's out of choice. i'll leave you with sir ian blair and keep to myself the great treasure.

I didn't know it was you harsingh!

ifithelps, i think you are retarded.

i hope you don't pass your demons onto your own children. be kind and reason with them. it's fair enough if someone chooses to have fear because of their own personal religious beliefs, but not to scare others into accommodating religious beliefs that they don't share. the intellectual property rights of SGGS and interpretation of "disrespect" are both issues that need to be resolved. multiculturalism officially hasn't worked, see? britishness has to be prime these days. there will be less tolerance for the idea that all cultures are equal in moral value.

All water is recycled.

So they haven't seen the error of their ways (after all, it's beneath your dignity to try and convince them), so it's good enough that they do as you wish out of fear?

Beware the sangat you keep! I would rather associate with men of courage and honour than politicians. I'm often guilty of being too subtle. I should make it clear that what I'm saying here is that the APPG was formed by the government in a hurry following the terrorist attacks so that it can exert control over the Sikh community, rather than help them. The terrorist attacks were the ideal excuse to do this, as they appeared to turn the Sikhs into victims needing, indeed begging for, government intervention and "protection". There is a broader plan in place (I call it "the battle for control of HEARTS and MINDS") to take control of all the "faith communities" by putting government-appointed stewards in charge. Their powers will be indirectly exerted through the race legislation and the forthcoming "incitement to religious hatred" laws. Very vaguely worded laws designed to catch everyone out, so you can always single out troublesome political opponents when you want/need to. You don't need 'em. Protection is available from elsewhere. Make a deal with the devil and lose your own soul into the bargain.

Nicked from sikhsangat.com: "In the picture below outside 10 Downing Street those shown from left to right are Adam Holloway MP, Sir Peter Soulsby MP, Mark Pritchard MP, Bhai Amrik Singh - Chair, Sikh Federation (UK), Dominic Grieve MP, John Austin MP (for Erith where the first Gurdwara was attacked following the terrorist atrocities last Thursday) and representives of the Sikh youth." 1) Who appointed the APPG members? 2) Whose idea was it (i.e. who consulted with who, to bring the APPG about)? 3) Who exactly do the "representatives of the Sikh youth" represent? 4) Do you enjoy being caricatured?

Hi harsingh. I got this pic from SikhSangat.com.

He's the one responsible for catching the terrorists who bombed London, and also stopping racist retaliations against minority communities. I'm sure he fills everyone with confidence...

Chief Commissioner of Metropolitan Police (London, UK). Trying to say and do what he's supposed to:

I reckon the title of this thread "Sikh criminals" and the usual knee-jerk reaction seems to reflect how the forum is becoming less objective and less professional all the time. Why not blame the British government for this alleged crime, the way they were blamed for the terrorist attacks? What a joke.

They are only "suspected" of the crime, not convicted. The information available doesn't make for a very believable story in my opinion. Why would they rape a local in a small, close-knit Irish community in their own restaurant (their own place of work)?? The suspects might have legged it believing they were in for a rough ride and would not receive a fair trial. After all, they were recent immigrants and probably not that streetwise. People have been known to make up rape allegations. I doubt this story in particular, on the facts given. So let's not pass judgement until the verdict is passed.

The article seems to reflect a very Indian socialist perspective - putting an arbitrary line down between "luxuries" and "necessities" unilaterally from up above. It ties in so comfortably with popular prejudices about high and low, for instance the way low-quality foods and clothes (e.g. lentils and linen) are perceived to be somehow morally superior to high-quality foods and clothes (e.g. high-protein red meat and silk). There's also the old chestnut of how kaum itself is somehow more significant than the money earned by it. Somehow it's considered both edifying and undignified to work! So some people say that they work as a form of bhagti offering to Waheguru, or that they work "disinterestedly" by reciting Naam secretly while at work. Truth is that people have unlimited wants and work to bring in the dough to help them meet as many of those wants as they can.

I'm just as strongly opposed to the LTTE (Tamil Tigers). Wrong is wrong, and 2 wrongs don't make a right.

So you think they came up with nothing, case closed? If I am a fruitcake for despising terrorists and all those who support them in any way whatsoever with a vehemence that this language doesn't have insults powerful enough to express, then so be it. If you call me a fruitcake I must be doing something right.

Bobbyboy; A couple of years ago an anti-Khalistan Sikh editor of a Sikh newspaper in Southall was murdered by extremists. There is a very small minority of nasty fruitcakes, and unpleasant though it may seem because they do actually exist I can't discount the possibility that you might be one. The fact that you refuse to acknowledge their existence is significant. Even the Muslims acknowledge that there are extremist trouble-makers in their midst. There is a proscribed terrorist organisation in the UK which it's illegal to mention and illegal to support or express sympathy for. They are banned because they are terrorists, who have threatened and intimidated both Sikhs and non-Sikhs. The days of their influence are over. So YOU get a life. To sikhphilosophy: we can agree to disagree on many political issues. The only time it becomes a problem is when one party threatens the other using terrorism. Not all Khalistan supporters are extremists or terrorists.

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Commie nut.

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There is no such thing as a Sikh religious extremist but there is such a thing as a Sikh political extremist. They usually don't care about matters of religion (i.e. they smoke, drink, cut hair) but get very excited about Khalistan and like to threaten people (i.e. "we know who you are and where you live") instead of doing indiscriminate acts of bombing. They do tend to single out their political opponents and threaten them, and murder them from time to time (esp. journalists). In particular, they are a youth element z.