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i was asking 'sparkle', not u 'beast'. or r u the same person with 2 id's??????

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!! Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji!! Sangat has received confirmation from Craig Robertson, Director Conference & Banqueting of Royal Lancaster Hotel London, that the Anand Karaj will not happen in the hotel & Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji will not be brought onto the hotel complex. The Anand Karaj will happen at Shepard’s Bush Gurdwara, on 23rd October 2005, which is 5 minutes from the hotel. Craig admitted that the board of directors could not believe the response & the emotions of the Sikh Community. He also said that they did not receive any abusive or confrontational telephone call or email. The Sangat who rang it or emailed wished to educate the hotel about Sikh Principles and the greatness of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Royal Lancaster is in the process of drafting a statement and this will be emailed to all members of the Sangat who sent an email about this issue. This should be out by the evening. Thank you to all, Guruji has blessed everyone. It is amazing to see the passion within our Sikh Sangat who stand against beadbi. Together we can work towards the end of this bad practice of taking Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji to hotels, clubs, banqueting halls etc where alcohol, meat & tobacco is continuously served. GurFateh! -- ------------------ Respect for Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Campaign 07944 445651 sikhalerts@yahoo.co.uk www.GuruGranthSahibJi.com www.SikhDreamWeddings.co.uk

your answer is not sufficient to me. i can look it up but i wanted u to explain...i am worried that u have got it all wrong. so i take it you are an expert on the teachings? i've got my answer..... thanx for your concern. what r the tactics? i take it u are antarjami and u have been there everyone time someone has even flinced? sorry if u have to lower yourself for Guru Maharaj....i do apologise. p.s any advice on how we shud go about things? And will u be helping seeing they r your ideas?

Sparkle define Fundamentalism please.

i see what your saying pheena ji. and you do have a point but in this case the bad outweighs the good that would come from the situation. this is nothing but disrespect of our guru ji. the good that would come out of people getting maharaj's darshan is not overlooked - but it is different from when guru nanak dev ji went to sajjan thug's or other great sinners. they could understand the language he was speaking. the campaign is not made so that people cannot get darshan of guru ji if they are not amritdhari - ofcourse not. but the minimum that we can do is ask people to come to gurudwara. The minimum respect is upheld in most. if we dont respect our guru ji, how can we ever fold our hands before him and ask for something? please make sure as many people come to the event, its no good banging keyboards if your not going to attend the wedding and physically protest. how can we call ourselves sikhs (of the guru) if we do nothing when our guru ji is disrespected? if we dont stand up now and show our united stance now, it'll keep happening. today a hotel, tommorow a pub. (makes me sick when i hear people say they will be too tired/working/watching simpsons) sorry if i've offended anyone.

Guru Gobind Singh Jis HORSE!! Yes HIS HORSE!!! Refused to walk through a Tobbaco Field. HIS HORSE I will keep emphasasing, HIS HORSE!!! And if HIS HORSE refused to let Maharaj through then why should we permit Guru Ji to go to these places? Maharaj does say cleanse the sinful, but if he himself doesnt want go to these places then he wont, ie he will send a fauja down to protect him. That is afterall, what we are here to do. He himself tests his Sikhs, all those who wear Bana etc, Amritdhari, he wants to see who is really his Khalsa, and who is doing maybe for show? Saint Soldier, his is army. Not one, but both. We have a duty to stand there. In the repsonse from the letter, it says there is fast moving traffic etc. Well heres the way we do it. We sit on the road. Cars go by, the police will be present anyway. If theres ENOUGH PEOPLE!! then they cant do much. We might even get coverage as we will be stopping "fast moving traffic" which in london is probably a one off... from experience! lol im always in traffic!!

Thank you everyone please keep calling the hotel.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!! Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is going to be taken to Royal Lancaster Hotel on 23rd October 2005 for a “Sikh Weddingâ€. Members of the UK Sikh Community have been in discussions with the families of the Bride and Groom as well as the Wedding Arranger. All of them are aware of the Hukamnama from Sri Akal Takht Sahib and that taking Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji to a venue that serves alcohol, meat & tabbacco is against Sikh Principles. However they are adamant to proceed with this “Sikh Weddingâ€. What can you do? As members of the Sikh Community please ring the following and voice your concerns: Royal Lancaster Hotel (Royal Lancaster Hotel, Lancaster Terrace, London W2 2TY): Craig Robertson - Director Conference & Banqueting (car@royallancaster.com) on 020 7262 6737 Wedding Arrangers Paul (Director of Curry Special) on 07768 422181 or 020 8518 3003 Sanjay Anand of Madhu’s on 020 8574 1897 Granthi Harbans Singh Suraj (currently on Vectone Punjabi’s Gur Kirpa programme) will be taking Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji to this hotel. Please contact him & inform that his actions are direct violation of Sri Akal Takht Sahib & the Khalsa Panth. Ring Harbans Singh Suraj on 01634 576100 Please remember when ringing that you are representing the Sikh Community. Please refrain from bad language and confrontational discussions. Together as Sadh Sangat we can stop this bad practice and give respect to Gurbani & Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as given by our Gurus & GurSikhs. GurFateh! -------------------- Respect for Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Campaign 07944 445651 sikhalerts@yahoo.co.uk www.GuruGranthSahibJi.com www.SikhDreamWeddings.co.uk

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh The Sikh Youth Sangat of Gravesend will be remembering the great Sikh Shaheeds - Sukha and Jinda with a special programme and would like to invite all the wider Sangat to attend. On the 9th October from 6pm to 11pm there will be a Kirtan and Dhadhi Darbar in addition to a Sikh Youth Workshop. This is a benti to everyone to try their best to attend. http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?act=At...ost&id=1812 Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

it is wrong if you have alcohol and meat in the house. people need to get some respect and if they dont know how to respect then we need to educate people. we obviously see Guru Ji as a book or we would not partake in such activity.

check this out....i think this makes it 7. http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showtopic=13018

Respect For Sri Guru Granth Sahib Campaign Press Release 15 August 2005 Six Weddings Successfully Re-arranged to Gurdwara Sahibs, August 2005. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh! With the blessings of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji, there is a growing awareness to the 1998 Hukamanama released by Sri Akal Takht Sahib forbidding the taking of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji to hotels, clubs, pubs, banqueting halls and other places where meat, alcohol & cigarettes are served. The Campaign has worked with the Authorities, Wedding Planners and Family members to successfully re-arrange six weddings where the Saroop of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji was to be taken to Banqueting Suites. The weddings were scheduled from 14th to 28th August 2005 around Docklands, Heathrow, Surrey and Slough. We would like to thank all those who fully cooperated and realised the importance to maintain Sikh Maryada. The Campaign continues to build a strong working relationship with Police Forces from London, Thames Valley & Surrey. Contrary to media writing and other rumours the Campaign is open about its activities and its stance. In this current hostile climate within the UK, the British Sikh Sangat has exercised its right to peacefully protest at Camberley as well as put forward its view to UK authorities. The various rumours relating to the Sangat’s protest on 31 July 2005 in the Punjabi Press are misrepresented and grossly exaggerated. The Surrey Police Force were fully informed and present during the day and would not have tolerated any abuse of Sikh kirpans. The Police would have had enough justification to immediately arrest. No arrests or charges were made on the day or subsequently. The Campaign updates the Authorities constantly and makes them aware of any family members or other individuals who will be contacted. The Authorities have all information to easily clamp down on any alleged threatening or violent behaviour. The Campaign will continue to strive to stop the bad practice of taking the Saroop of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji to hotels, clubs, pubs, banqueting suites within the UK. The Campaign has nothing to hide and the activities of the Campaign will remain transparent. GurFateh! -------------------- Respect for Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Campaign 07944 445651 sikhalerts@yahoo.co.uk www.GuruGranthSahibJi.com www.SikhDreamWeddings.co.uk

just some questions....i not sure about the answers...... were Guru Gobind Singh Ji a fanatic? were they an extremist? did they tell sikhs to carry 5 weapons? did they tell sikhs to learn how to fight? did they take up arms to protect the innocent?

unity..............been hearing this since i was 4....now i'm 24......i think the problem lies with understanding this word......unity does not mean we agree on every last thing (thank Maharaj for this otherwise we got no chance)it does not mean we agree on rehats.... unity means standing together at times like this, asking for justice, all speaking up and doing our bit. when thousands of innocent Sikhs were killed we should have stuck together from then onwards...but we didn't. put differences aside and think about those poor innocent brothers and sisters.........today when a few innocent people are killed in some bombings the whole world including us condemn the action of the bombers......but what about our own people. its just my opinion. and 'artistformalyknownasodhi' there is no need for sarcastic comments.....this aint no laughing matter.....if your mum or dad were innocent victims of religous hate crimes, i dont think you would take the same attitude.

apparently this grewal is a drunk and apparently has turned up to the Gurdwara drunk too. maybe we should film him and catch him in the act.

the campaign is growing and growing and gaining more and more support. lets pray Maharaj does more kirpa and stops these massands.

here is a leaflet/poster for similar use. sorry it wouldn't let me attach it. IGNORANCE CAN KILL In the wake of the tragic events of 07/07 there have been numerous reports of violent ‘reprisals’ against ethnic minorities throughout the UK. One group that has been consistently singled out as a target for this ‘backlash’ is the Sikh community. Unfortunately, due to the fact that many Sikhs wear a turban and keep a beard, they have been MISTAKEN for Muslims and have been SPAT ON IN THE STREETS, VERBALLY AND PHYSICALLY ABUSED, THEIR PLACES OF WORSHIP DESECRATED AND ATTEMPTS MADE ON THEIR LIVES. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DO NOT KNOW; SIKHISM IS AN INDEPENDENT, PEACEFUL AND PROGRESSIVE RELIGION WHICH BELIEVES IN THE BROTHERHOOD OF HUMANKIND. SIKHISM HAS ABSOLUTELY NO LINK TO ISLAM. SIKHS WHOLEHEARTEDLEY CONDEMN THE ACTIONS OF TERRORISTS ON 07/07 AND ANY OTHER KIND OF TERRORISM. OVER 2.5 MILLION SIKH SOLDIERS FOUGHT ALONGSIDE THE BRITISH DURING WORLD WAR I & II. 83,005 SIKH SOLDIERS WERE KILLED AND 109, 045 WERE WOUNDED FOR THE FREEDOM OF BRITIAN AND THE WORLD. Hate crimes stem from ignorance and misunderstanding and can have devastating consequences. It is even worse when the targets of ‘reprisals’ are victims of MISTAKEN IDENTITY. THINK BEFORE YOU ACT

The stories below are a selection of the stories posted on the Monitoring Group website today. Please go to the TMG website for further detail. If you wish to unsubscribe from the list please use the link button at the bottom of the e-mail. You can also update your details through this li -------------------------------------------------------- About 500 race and faith hate incidents reported to police nationally since the London bombing. About 500 faith-hate and race-hate crimes  ranging from arson attacks on mosques to Muslim women being spat at in the street  have been reported in Britain since the London bombings. According to police sources, about 200 of these incidents are deemed significant enough to have potential repercussions within communities. Here are a selection of the stories 7 July 2005 Schoolboy in Devon is assaulted in the school grounds. The perpetrator claims it is revenge for the bombs. Asian woman from Hayes, Middlesex reports an attempted arson attack after she find petrol has been poured through her door. An Asian family in Southall, West London report an attempted arson attack. `Islam Scum` and racist graffitti is daubed on the Sha Jalal mosque and the Pakistan Community Centre in Edinbugh Two bottles containing an accelerant were thrown through the windows of the Sikh temple in Belvedere, Kent. The bottles do not ignite and there were no reports of any injuries. Five men were later arrested 8 July 2005 Al Madina Jamia mosque in Leeds is petrol bombed. Stone are thrown at the Jamia mosque in Totterdown, Bristol. The Wirral Islamic Cultural Centre and Shahjalal Mosque on in Birkenhead, Merseyside is set alight. A 27 year old man has since been charged. The Jamiat Tablighul Islam Mosque in Armley, Leeds faces an attempted arson attack. A police spokeswoman said they thought a piece of cloth was put through a window to start the fire. The windows at the Mazhirui Uloom Educational and Cultural Institution in East London are smashed. 9 July 2005 Seven windows were smashed at the Shajalal mosque in Easton, Bristol. Kent police investigate two assaults on Muslim men near Dartford, Kent. Police in London confirm that they have recorded 180 racist incidents over the past three days, including 58 faith related crimes. The British National Party uses a photograph of the bus with the caption, "maybe it's time to start listening to the BNP" to campaign in the forthcoming council election in Essex 10 July 2005 Kamal Butt dies after a street attack. According to a report in the Independent newspaper the police reported that Anti-Taliban statements were shouted prior to the attack. Nine youths were later arrested, and two charged with manslaughter. Fire breaks out at a mosque in Shropshire. The blaze started in the front of the mosque in Tan Bank, Wellington, near Telford just after midnight. The Bradford Pakistani Consulate faces an attempted arson attack. Rubbish bin was set on fire and pushed against the front door of the building in Laisterdyke. A 27 man was later arrested. 20 year old Muslim student is racially abused, chased and threatened with a knife by three men in Bournemouth. 11 July 2005 A 18-year-old student, from the United Arab Emirates, suffers a smashed jaw when a bottle was thrown at him in a park in Broadstairs, Kent. The Al-Birr Community Centre and Margate Mosque in Margate, Kent is sprayed with racist graffiti. 12 July 2005 The Rose Lane Islamic Centre in Norwich is attacked. A woman is later charged. An eleven and sixteen year old Asian boy are racially assaulted in the Lorne Street area of Edinburgh. 13 July 2005 The home of a Muslim family is torched in a suspected arson attack in Torquay. Racist threats are received by the Bournemouth Islamic Centre. Majid Yasin, director of the Centre, said he knew of a party of around 15 students who had returned to their home country in the Middle East since last Thursday's bombings. A email suspected to be from a official Ministry of Defence website is sent to a Birmingham mosque. "Its now a war on Muslims throughout Britain" it read. The MoD launches a official investigation. Combat 18 and racist graffiti appears in the Beeston area of Leeds. Eight people are arrested for public order offences at the Broadway pub, in Beeston, Leeds as racial tensions in the area increase. The Army unit was alerted by police after a suspicious package was found outside the Abu Bakr Mosque, in Middlesbrough. Police confirm they are monitoring plans by a alliance of rightwing extremists and football hooligans to exact `revenge` on Muslims. 16 July 2005 The Shah Jalal Mosque and Islamic Cultural Centre in the Cathays area of Cardiff, South Wales receives a racist letter. A brick is thrown through the window of Northampton Mosque on Argyle Street. A man racially abuses worshippers and daubs racist graffiti outside the Bangladeshi mosque in Swindon. 17 July 2005 Racist graffiti is daubed outside the Park Primary school in Stratford, east London. Over 50 people from all sections of the local community help to clear the graffiti quickly. In a further incident a local Muslim student is also attacked. 18 July 2005 The Shah Jalal Mosque and Islamic Cultural Centre in Cathays, Cardiff is broken into and animal parts left in the building. ===================================== Please go to www.monitoring-group.co.uk for further details ======================================= The Monitoring Group is UK-registered charity, number 1062008, and a UK-registered Company Number 2748744 . Please send any correspondence to The Monitoring Group, 14 Featherstone Road, Southall, Middlesex, UB2 5AA. 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It was recently revealed that Guardian journalist Dilpazier Aslam is an active member of the Islamic group Hizb ut-Tahrir (more commonly known as ‘HUT’). For those of you who do not know, the ‘HUT’ is an organisation which is virulently and openly anti-Sikh, anti-Semitic and anti-‘West’. A BBC Newsnight investigation in 2002 revealed that the ‘HUT’ promoted racism, anti-Semitic and anti-Sikh hatred, suicide bombers, and urges Muslims to kill non-believers if they refuse to accept Islam. In a recent statement, the Guardian claims; ‘Dilpazier Aslam is a member of Hizb ut-Tahrir, an organisation which is legal in this country. We are keeping the matter under review.’ (http://www.asiansinmedia.org/news/article.php/publishing/1019) The organisation may be legal, but it is also highly offensive, dangerous and hateful. In light of The Guardian’s impotence in relinquishing the services of Dilpazier Aslam, a complete boycott of The Guardian (and its sister newspaper The Observer) is underway. Sikhs, Jews and all other communities who believe in equality and egalitarianism are urged to take part in the boycott.

if you are doing something wrong only then would you be scared....and if you are not doing anything wrong why should you be scared anyway?

bruce lung are you saying it is not disrespecting Guru Ji by taking them into halls where alcohol, meat and cigarettes are openly used???? if you are then i think there is no reason to continue this conversation.

can anybody put the picture on this thread....i dont know how to

PLEASE READ ATTACHED NEWSPAPER ARTICLE. SIKH YOUTH DEMAND THE RESIGNATION OF GURDWARA SINGH SABHA LONDON EAST's FULL 21 MEMBER COMMITTEE. THIS COMMITTEE CELEBRATED OUR GREAT GURUS SHAHEEDI BY: BELLY DANCING DRINKING ALCOHOL EATING MEAT BHANGRA DANCING THEY USED GURDWARA MONEY AND A £9000 GRANT TO EXECUTE THIS DISGRACEFUL EVENT. WE DO NOT WANT ANY MORE EXCUSES OR JUSTIFICATION. THESE PEOPLE AND THE FULL 21 MEMBER COMMITTEE MUST NOW RESIGN: PRESIDENT: LEHMBAR SINGH: 07780 884 098 GENERAL SECRETARY: SANSAR SINGH: 07915 643 084 SPORTS SECRETARY: NIRMAL SINGH: 07854 822 636 IF THESE PEOPLE STOP TAKING YOUR CALLS THEN YOU CAN CALL THEM ON THE GURDWARA NUMBERS: 020 8594 3940 OR 020 85981817 Our protest is peaceful and we humbly request all callers to speak to these people with respect as they are in their own way trying to serve our community. Please check this link out for article in newspaper: http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showtopic=11838

VahegurujikaKhalsa, VahegurujikiFateh! On Sunday 12 June 2005 in Ilford, Sangat from all over the UK reclaimed a saroop of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji from a 'granthi' who had been taking Guru ji to banqueting halls etc where alcohol and meat were being served. The so called 'granthi' is Surjit Sinh of Ilford. A local family had originally planned to hold a wedding with Guru ji's saroop in a banqueting hall, called Carlton House. The hall has a bar attached and is known in the area for its parties. The 'granthi' agreed to this and to do Kirtan there. However, the family agreed to transfer the location of the wedding to their own house after they were contacted by the local Sangat. After the wedding took place, Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji was taken by the Sangat to a local Gurdwara Sahib which does not allow Guru ji saroop to be taken to places where alcohol and meat are served. We would like to thank Vaheguru ji and Guru Granth Khalsa ji for allowing the Sangat to do this seva. We would also like to thank the Sangat who travelled from all over the UK to show solidarity with the local Sangat. It is only because of Guru ji's Kirpa that Sikh brothers and sisters stood together as One, regardless of whether they were Amritdhari,Kesdhari, or neither, regardless of Jathebandhi. Finally, we ask forgiveness from Vaheguru ji and the Guru Granth Khalsa ji for the mistakes we have made whilst doing this seva. If anybody wishes to take a practical step to help prevent Guru ji saroop being dishonoured by being taken to inappropriate places, please contact GurJeevan Singh on 07944-445651 or email him on sikhalerts@yahoo.co.uk. VahegurujikaKhalsa, VahegurujikiFateh! -------------------- Respect for Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Campaign 07743 211135 07944 445651 sikhalerts@yahoo.co.uk PO Box 1945, London IG1 9AA

We should all thank Maharaj for this victory. Shows what a few are capable of....lets all start doing our bit.