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you need to know gurmukhi because bani itself says to read gurbani, but anyway when the time is correct his gurbani listening will also reap fruit and he will be directed to learn. We learn from babaneea kahaneea that Vaheguroo Ji values innocent and ego-free faith above all. IMHO these things only end up giving more ego and take up time in which we could be getting closer to vaheguroo.

Naam contains EVERY good deed in the world, and gives phall times infinity.

you need kirpa thats what you need whatever YOU as an individual are supposed to understand from gurbani at that point in your life, thats what guru sahib will make you understand. A bit of vichaar with fellow gursikhs is cool, but rest is aal jaal. Guroo Sahib has already told us that the message of vedas is simply to jap naam, so we dont need to waste our time as we know wat it says, whereas gurbani itself is something which joins us to naam, so we must spend lots of time reading it and watever we understand from that, understand it as guru sahib himself teaching you and incorporate that into life.

^that was me by the way, my second account i created when having technical problems, it was accidently saved on this windows profile

On 20 dec i created a second account called "silence", this was not for any weird reason or anything, I was having some problems accessing my usual account, so i made it for the time being. So for mods who may be checking IPs, My comp is shared and there is more than one windows account, by chance I had one of my sikhawareness accounts saved on one windows account, and a different sikhawareness account on my windows account. So accidently I have posted on the second account once or twice Hope that makes sense, I'm just making it clear im not trying to be secretive or anything. If you want please delete the second account or whatever. thanks

We clearly have a difference of opinion, and there really is no need for sarcasm, I am willing to apologoise and call it quits, because I dont think fellow sikhs should let it go this far (well on my side anyway). Im only talking about what mahapurash have told me, and these mahapurash (Non jathebandi, and ragmalla believer) have told me naam and moolmantar jaap infact causes protection around the reciter. Bhull chukk maaf (and i really mean that scincerly, I hope you can all accept) Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh

I think Sri Prahlad ji would beg to differ on that as would Bhagat Kabir Ji! Baba Thakur singh ji and Singhs once became invisible to the Indian police

sorry for any hurt ive caused. I have ego which is a huge problem for me, and it causes me to insult gursikhs, sorry. But ive actually been told by mahapurash (not akj or nanaksar either)this power of naam that it gives physical protection, Ive experienced it first hand. How do you think Singhs of old survived without food for so long, trapped in fortresses for months? Death is the hukam of mahraj, and its also the hukam of mahraj in which way naam works at a certain time. The naam protected the warriors while they were alive from physical harm, and at the time which was pre-written for their death, the naam gave the protection from jamdoots. Sri Krishan Ji Avtar gave the right stuff for his time, but Guru Sahib came and turned everything around for his Gursikhs, no laws but Akal Purakh's apply to a complete khalsa (not any average joe singhs like me). For example simply having uncut kesh and doing jap ji sahib under guru sahib's hukam makes one exempt from hell (this is a belief of bhindranvale sants also), so these are different rules for a sikh, even if they have commited sins, these hukams of Guru Sahib let them break the karmic rules. Read more bani to understand the extent of naam. Naam is Vaheguroo himself, and Vaheguroo has no limits whatsoever. ਪਿੰਗੁਲ ਪਰਬਤ ਪਾਰਿ ਪਰੇ ਖਲ ਚਤੁਰ ਬਕੀਤਾ ॥ Pingul parbaṯ pār parė kẖal cẖaṯur bakīṯā. The cripple crosses over the mountain, the fool becomes a wise man, ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ਐਸੀ ਭਗਤਿ ਗੋਵਿੰਦ ਕੀ ਕੀਟਿ ਹਸਤੀ ਜੀਤਾ ॥ Aisī bẖagaṯ govinḏ kī kīt hasṯī jīṯā. Such is devotional worship of the Lord of the Universe, that the ant can overpower the elephant. check out the whole shabad on ang 809 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ਭੈਰਉ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥ Bẖairo mehlā 5. Bhairao, Fifth Mehl: ਨਾਮੁ ਹਮਾਰੈ ਅੰਤਰਜਾਮੀ ॥ Nām hamārai anṯarjāmī. The Naam, the Name of the Lord, is the Inner-knower of my heart. ਨਾਮੁ ਹਮਾਰੈ ਆਵੈ ਕਾਮੀ ॥ Nām hamārai āvai kāmī. The Naam is so useful to me. ਰੋਮਿ ਰੋਮਿ ਰਵਿਆ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ॥ Rom rom ravi­ā har nām. The Lord's Name permeates each and every hair of mine. ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪੂਰੈ ਕੀਨੋ ਦਾਨੁ ॥੧॥ Saṯgur pūrai kīno ḏān. ||1|| The Perfect True Guru has given me this gift. ||1|| ਨਾਮੁ ਰਤਨੁ ਮੇਰੈ ਭੰਡਾਰ ॥ Nām raṯan mėrai bẖandār. The Jewel of the Naam is my treasure. ਅਗਮ ਅਮੋਲਾ ਅਪਰ ਅਪਾਰ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ Agam amolā apar apār. ||1|| rahā­o. It is inaccessible, priceless, infinite and incomparable. ||1||Pause|| ਨਾਮੁ ਹਮਾਰੈ ਨਿਹਚਲ ਧਨੀ ॥ Nām hamārai nihcẖal ḏẖanī. The Naam is my unmoving, unchanging Lord and Master. ਨਾਮ ਕੀ ਮਹਿਮਾ ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਬਨੀ ॥ Nām kī mahimā sabẖ meh banī. The glory of the Naam spreads over the whole world. ਨਾਮੁ ਹਮਾਰੈ ਪੂਰਾ ਸਾਹੁ ॥ Nām hamārai pūrā sāhu. The Naam is my perfect master of wealth. ਨਾਮੁ ਹਮਾਰੈ ਬੇਪਰਵਾਹੁ ॥੨॥ Nām hamārai bėparvāhu. ||2|| The Naam is my independence. ||2|| ਨਾਮੁ ਹਮਾਰੈ ਭੋਜਨ ਭਾਉ ॥ Nām hamārai bẖojan bẖā­o. The Naam is my food and love. ਨਾਮੁ ਹਮਾਰੈ ਮਨ ਕਾ ਸੁਆਉ ॥ Nām hamārai man kā su­ā­o. The Naam is the objective of my mind. ਨਾਮੁ ਨ ਵਿਸਰੈ ਸੰਤ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥ Nām na visrai sanṯ parsāḏ. By the Grace of the Saints, I never forget the Naam. ਨਾਮੁ ਲੈਤ ਅਨਹਦ ਪੂਰੇ ਨਾਦ ॥੩॥ Nām laiṯ anhaḏ pūrė nāḏ. ||3|| Repeating the Naam, the Unstruck Sound-current of the Naad resounds. ||3|| ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਤੇ ਨਾਮੁ ਨਉ ਨਿਧਿ ਪਾਈ ॥ Parabẖ kirpā ṯė nām na­o niḏẖ pā­ī. By God's Grace, I have obtained the nine treasures of the Naam. ਗੁਰ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਤੇ ਨਾਮ ਸਿਉ ਬਨਿ ਆਈ ॥ Gur kirpā ṯė nām si­o ban ā­ī. By Guru's Grace, I am tuned in to the Naam. ਧਨਵੰਤੇ ਸੇਈ ਪਰਧਾਨ ॥ Ḏẖanvanṯė sė­ī parḏẖān. They alone are wealthy and supreme, ਨਾਨਕ ਜਾ ਕੈ ਨਾਮੁ ਨਿਧਾਨ ॥੪॥੧੭॥੩੦॥ Nānak jā kai nām niḏẖān. ||4||17||30|| O Nanak, who have the treasure of the Naam. ||4||17||30||

look ,living in inner london, and facing yoots, chavs,racists and the like pretty much everyday gives you enough fighting experience, more than a goat. NO im not saying street fighting is war experience but is much more than chopping off the head of a goat being held by two other people. Anyway, naam power can make you do ANYTHING, this is Vaheguroo himself, also chandi di vaar power, you dont need anything else if you have bharosa. Im not saying not to train either, but killing a goat does not help at all. A compassionate warrior can easily kill a dusht but doesnt make them any less of a soldier if they feel daya for a defenceless animal. Nihang Avtar singh brahma rode two horses and hit a target at full speed, with no prior practice in that. Ever heard of the sakhi of the fat brahmin (forgotten the name) who had never fought, but with power of naam he went straight into jung without training? Also remember reading abotu baba harnaam singh ji randomly getting amazing strenght after abhiyaas However shaheediyan i will swallow my ego and say you made an extremely valid point about bhang as recovery, that makes alot of sense . Previously, the people I had spoken to would say that singhs would take the bhang before entering the battle field, that I found very insulting as it makes it seem like the singhs were more cowardly. I can understand the bhang as medicine after being wounded, like anesthetic, medicine etc. However, what reason to take it now??

ok well this is sooo gona get blasted on here, but what the hoo? (I would like to say it is not just akj who can be close minded) Salvation Before Guru Nanak? By Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh in “Gurmat”, September 1959 One friend has raised the doubt that if Satnaam (the true naam) has only been given by Guru Sahib and if humans can only be saved and liberated by Satnaam, how were humans liberated before the arrival of Guru Nanak Sahib jee? It has been proven [in other books] through Gurmat principles that true salvation is only possible through Satnaam. In reply to this, with the beat of a drum and in a thundering voice I say not once but hundreds of thousands of times that true salvation for humans and true liberation is only possible through Satnaam and this Satnaam has only been revealed by Satguru Nanak Sahib. Sri Guru Nanak Dashmesh jee in his bani, Bachitar Natak has made it very clear that all those Avtars, Prophets etc. who came to this earth were sent by Akal Purakh for the salvation of humanity however, Guru Sahib has said about them: ਸਭ ਅਪਨੀ ਅਪਨੀ ਉਰਝਾਨਾ ॥ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਕਾਹੂ ਨ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥ Everyone placed his own interest first and foremost and did not comprehend God. Also, ਜੇ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਪਰਮ ਪੁਰਖ ਉਪਜਾਏ ॥ ਤਿਨ ਤਿਨ ਅਪਨੇ ਰਾਹ ਚਲਾਏ ॥ All the great men created by me started their own paths. And also, ਜਿਨਿ ਜਿਨਿ ਤਨਿਕ ਸਿੱਧ ਕੋ ਪਾਯੋ ॥ ਤਿਨ ਤਿਨ ਅਪਨਾ ਰਾਹੁ ਚਲਾਯੋ ॥ Whosoever attained a little spiritual power, he started his own path. ਪਰਮੇਸਰ ਨ ਕਿਨਹੂੰ ਪਹਿਚਾਨਾ ॥ ਮਮ ਉਚਾਰਤੇ ਭਯੋ ਦਿਵਾਨਾ ॥੧੬॥ None could comprehend the Lord, but instead became mad, saying “I” (with ego)16. ਪਰਮ ਤੱਤ ਕਿਨਹੂੰ ਨ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥ ਆਪ ਆਪ ਭੀਤਰਿ ਉਰਝਾਨਾ ॥ Nobody recognized the Supreme Essence, but was entangled within himself. Finally, ਸਭ ਤੇ ਅਪਨਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਾਯੋ ॥ ਸਤਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਕਾਹੂੰ ਨ ਦ੍ਰਿੜਾਯੋ ॥੨੭॥ He caused all to utter his name and did not enshrine (driR) Satnaam of the Lord to anyone.27. So this is clear from the words of Sri Nanak Dashmesh that ਸਤਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਕਾਹੂੰ ਨ ਦ੍ਰਿੜਾਯੋ . Before Satguru Nanak, Satnaam was not given and enshrined (driR) by anyone. How could they give it since this Satnaam was not obtained from the Dargah (court) of Akaal Purakh by anyone except Guru Nanak? How could they obtain it since no one (none of the earlier prophets) cared about the true salvation of humanity? They were all just concerned about themselves. They became full of themselves because of the fact that they had heard a celestial voice tell them to help save humanity. [The voice] said that they were appointed leaders of men and with this they became egotistical. Only Guru Nanak-Dashmesh jee were saved from this egotistical way. Ah! With what amazing humility does Sri Guru Dashmesh jee say, ਅਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਬਾਚ ਇਸ ਕੀਟ ਪ੍ਰਤਿ ॥ The Words of Akaal Purakh to this insect: And Akaal Purakh’s hukam is as such: ਮੈ ਅਪਨਾ ਸੁਤ ਤੋਹਿ ਨਿਵਾਜਾ ॥ ਪੰਥ ਪ੍ਰਚੁਰ ਕਰਬੇ ਕਹੁ ਸਾਜਾ ॥ I have appointed you as my son and hath created you for the propagation of the Panth ਜਾਹਿ ਤਹਾਂ ਤੈ ਧਰਮੁ ਚਲਾਇ ॥ ਕਬੁਧਿ ਕਰਨ ਤੇ ਲੋਕ ਹਟਾਇ ॥੨੯॥ "You go therefore for the spread of Dharma (righteousness) and stop the people from foolish actions".29. Look at the humility in Sri Dashmesh jee’s answer to this hukam of Akaal Purakh: ਠਾਢ ਭਯੋ ਮੈ ਜੋਰਿ ਕਰ ਬਚਨ ਕਹਾ ਸਿਰ ਨਿਆਇ ॥ I stood up with folded hands and bowing down my head, I said: ਪੰਥ ਚਲੈ ਤਬ ਜਗਤ ਮੈ ਜਬ ਤੁਮ ਕਰਹੁ ਸਹਾਇ ॥੩੦॥ "The Panth shall prevail in the world, when you give your assistance."30. Satguru Nanak jee came, being sent from Akaal Purakh with the orders from Dargah, and whenever he came to perform the selfless task of offering salvation of the countless universes, Guru Baba did not do anything of his own will. He went to Sachkhand and took the orders from there and accepting Akaal Purakh as his Guru, took the Guru Deekhyaa (initiation). He took the true initiation deekhyaa and every time [he came], kept taking it. Yes, he obtained the Gurmukh divine gift of nau-nidh naam gareebee. gurmuK pweI dwq ielwhI Yes, bwbw pYDw sc KMf nOiniD nwm grIbI pweI] Baba[Guru Nanak] reached Sachkhand wherefrom he received Naam, the storehouse of nine treasures and humility. He set this example and continued to set it. After obtained the true gift of Satnaam from the Lord’s Court, Guru Baba, Satguru Nanak Sachay Paatshaah distributed Satnaam to the human world. Not only on this land of Bharat (Hindustan) but in all directions of the world he sent out Satnaam. gVH bgdwd invwiekY mkw mdInw sB invwXw] After making Baghdad, the citadel (of pirs) bow, Mecca, Madina, and, all were humbled. isD cOrwsIh mMflI Kt drSn pwKMf jxwXw] He (Baba Nanak) exposed the eighty four siddhs and the hypocrisies of the six schools of Indian philosophy. pwqwlW AwkwS lK ij`qI DrqI jgq sbwXw] Hundreds of thousands of underworlds, the skies, earths and the whole world were conquered. ijqI nvKMf mydnI sqnwm kw ckR iPrwXw] Subjugating all the nine divisions of earth he established the cycle of Satnaam. dyvdwno rwks dYNq sB icqR gupq sB crnI lwXw] All the gods, demons, raksasa, daitys, Chitragupt et al. bowed at his feet. ieMdRwsx Ap`CrW rwg rwgnI mMgl gwXw] Indra and his nymphs sang auspicious songs in his praise. BXw AnMd jgq ivic kil qwrn gur nwnk AwXw] The whole world came into bliss as Guru Nanak came to save those in Kaljug ihMdU muslmwn invwXw] The Hindus and Muslims were all made to bow. Not only this world, but hundreds of thousands of Universes and galaxies and planets were won by Satnaam. Yes! Guru Baba spun the chakar of Satnaam in hundreds of thousands of planets like ours and saved countless universes with the support of Satnaam. Yes! It is true! He being koit bRhmMf ko Twkuru suAwmI srb jIAw kw dwqw ry ] Master of millions of universes, the Giver of all beings. He is the resident of countless universes and giver to countless beings. He is the giver of the gift of jIA dwnu dy BgqI lwiein The gift of life and he is the one who attaches to Bhagti. Scientists have discovered only now that in sky, in the stars we see, there are countless planets like ours and countless suns like our sun. It was regarding this that 500 years ago Satguru Nanak Dev said boldly kyqy ieMd cMd sUr kyqy kyqy mMfl dys ] So many Indras, so many moons and suns, so many worlds and lands. Not only did he say this boldly, he made countless Gursikhs aware of the amazing giaan in Giaan Khand. He showed the reality and scene of kyqy ieMd cMd sUr kyqy kyqy mMfl dys ] in clear form. The research of scientists is yet very little and still not developed but Satguru Nanak showed Pir Dastgir’s son in the blink of an eye, all the hundreds and thousands of universes and galaxies. In the blink of an eye he took him on a trip through the galaxies and universes. To prove the truth of the vastness of creation to Pir Dastgir, who only believed in Islam’s 7 upper and nether regions, and to make him board the boat of true faith and belief, Guru Sahib did all this: nwl lIqw bytw pIr dw AKIN mIt igAw hvweI] Guru Nanak Dev taking along with him the son of the pir, melted into thin air. lK AkwS pqwl lK AK Purk ivc sB idKlweI] And in a wink of eye showed him the hundreds of thousands of upper and lower worlds. And also, Br kckOl pRSwd dw DuroN pqwloN leI kVwhI] From the nether world he brought a cauldron full of parshaad and handed some over to the Pir From this it is clear and proven that before offering salvation to this world, Satguru Nanak had spread the order and cycle of Satnaam in countless universes and galaxies and saved them. And Guru Baba’s Sangat in the nether worlds was enjoying Karah Parshad just like the sangat here does [it was from this sangat that Guru Sahib brought the karah parshad back for Pir Dastgir]. The lord of the entire creation cares about and is concerned for all his creation. And just like this, he is concerned about the goings on in each epoch. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I dont expect many people here to believe it, but maybe one or two people may take something away. All the article is fully backed up by bani.

jassasingh, what do you believe are the four kurehits? do you think Guru Sahib would not help one of his sikhs doing simran, who are in pain?

actually ive grown up in a pretty rubbishy area where most of my childhood friends are now on weed and most other drugs, so no I havent developed any stigma against it. I'm against it because 1)Guru Sahib has told me it is foolish 2)Naam rass is way better 3)Mahapurash are against it. To be honest, the Singhs of old wouldnt even have used it if even in pain, as that would be kurehit. I know this because simply looking at their jeevan it is an insult to say that they were able to take the pain using DRUGS. I feel extremely hurt when people say this, because you are putting these Khalsa warriors level sooo loww. These werent people, they were PURE WAR MACHINES, THEY COULD FITH 250,000 at a time, you think they needed LOWLY DRUGS. The guys nowadays are such JOKERS, they fight great battles against goats and then they need bhang to deal with paper cuts lmao. Infact this use of bhang is an insult to naam. Real singhs use naam not drugs. Believe me im a lowly c*ap, but naam has even helped me through alot of physical things. Ive been through a beating and not felt pain thanks to the lgreat dhan naam. So you saying that these AMAZING khalsas needed weed? ppffft. Anway, even if that argument is true, I dont see why these jokers need it now, exactly what injuries are they dealing with, apart from the ones they gained while high and out of it? what the hell do you guys think is the kurehit anyway?

LOL Are you trying to be sarcastic? Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj is eternal and was there before any of the Hindu scriptures existed. Same with all these concepts of reincarnation, karma, maya and 5 vikaars. All the hindu scriptures did was record these concepts, which were known to Guru Nanak Dev Ji long before they were written, as he is the form of the one who created these concepts! Infact bani itself predates the Hindu scriptures, as without the ETERNAL bani, there is no world, there is NOTHING. Bani is the fabric of EVERYTHING. The Hindu scriptures RECORDED, I state once more RECORDED the knowledge already contained in Nirankar Bani. btw. im not having a go at you or anything incase you took it that way. Im just trying to combat (with my own rubbish mat) alot of false stuff going around these days and i personally know dhan dhan mahapurshs who have talked about being circled by devte, becuase they are at such a high state. Its not about having something "in common" with hindus, we also have many things in common with christians, eg. love for all, seva, belief in one creater God,etc. What its about is just that there are some timeless facts, which happen to be understood/acknowledged by more than one belief system. My view is that all religons have understood parts of Vaheguroo's hukam, and Sikhi has ALL of Vaheguroo's hukam, therefore it might look like sikhi has "taken" ideas from other religions, although this is most definetly not the case.

NO its not, thats a ridiculous statement, all devte are the daasre of Nirankaar Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj. Bani itself says that the devte do not have naam, the very goal of sikh panth, so how can our panths roots be within the devte! The devte do seva of Guru Nanak Dev Sahib Ji's saints.

excuses excuses. dharam rai will not tolerate people who do beadbi of mahraj's roop by doing such deeds while wearing it.

can someone please explain the meaning of "jaage dharam hinduk..." and also the part about durga, I thought it might be salutations to the force "shakti", but this context seems to be specifically durga in that form that is worshipped by hindus. I read on sikhsangat an accusation that this was written by some durga worshipping gyani in the 18th century. What does everyone think of that? Also have any saints and gurmukhs, eg. bhindranvale sants, bhai randhir singh ji, nanaksar sants, etc. said anything about it or quoted from it. remember hinduism comes under dharmic, muslim=semetic, so if this is authentic, then it refers to dharmic, semetic and thirdly sikhi.

wow, what can i say but dhan dhan are those beloved brides of Vaheguru! no other words or praises would do justice! i dont suppose then that there is a picture of Baba MahaHarnaam Singh Ji? I agree, that indeed all the sants are linked

thanks could anyone please also elaborate on the relationship between these wikid sants (baba isher singh jis, baba nand singh ji, baba attar singh ji, etc.) like who learned from who, meetings and so on

This is something I have been extremely confused about for quite a long time. Could someone please explain to me what is the connection between, Nanaksar, Rara Sahib, reru sahib, ratwara sahib, karamsar, hoti mardan etc. is. I tried looking at all of their sites, and their histories all seem to overlap, but its quite confusing to make out the connection between all of them. Also, please tell me about the connections between Sant baba attar singh ji,the two sant baba isher singh jis, sant baba waryam singh ji, who I believe were all leaders of these jathe (Dont know which beautiful sant was head of which) thank you

yeah it is great, akj and nanaksar singhs will remove the slaughter carried out by the ladoo, i mean ladlee fauj excellent!

ok well just to let you know i wasnt born a brahmygani, obviously I use my own mat. It's mentality like this that is the reason that so many people dont beleive in dasam granth, on one side the anti-dasam guys are shoving it down our throats, and then you have the believers who only resort to saying "oh you doubt Guru Sahib!", it's not surprising what way people will go.

Fateh. I have three questions, not being confrontational or doubting Guru Sahib just genuinely asking Is it possible that anyone could dare feel that way about Guru Sahib?? I didnt think Guru Ji would even allow that thought to come into any person's head. Guru Ji I would think is smart enough to know whats going on under his nose? Guru Sahib really cant be 'tricked' by anyone. Sorry to say this, but this one I really found hard to take, I mean Guru Sahib doesnt need any 'mantra' from anyone, he is the master of everything! Also, I dont understand the whole way the story went, I mean I think Guru Mahraj wouldnt have to "negotiate" with the woman like he did in this one, I think a few strong words for Mahraj would have been enough, there is no mind that is not forced to obey his hukam if he wants it! The way the story meant made it seem like Guru Sahib was in a sticky situation and that he wasnt the one calling the shots! which for me is an idea that is impossible. Now, I know this sounded confrontational, but thats really the only way I could describe my confusions as I want to be able to get full help from the well informed sangat. Thanks

yup yup death to the n-angs (in the post earlier i did say n-angs but it got cut by the admin filter)

ok well, as Guru Maharaj tells us, "Sant samooh anek matee kay" so maybe Vaheguroo Sahib wants different things from different people to merge with him, and if there really is anything compulsory in my humble opinion I dont think it is a must to force yourself to do these things as Guru Sahib will teach it to you himself. Then again maybe thats the reason you are doing it in he first place :roll: haha what a wonderful play he has created!

lol didnt realise you buried water! Or if you are reffering to the bacteria present in the water then thats just silly, afterall Guru Sahib himself has said that we are not jains so we do as much as we humanly can to stay away from the MAAS (which in my opinion specifically means dead BODIES) and follow Guru Sahib's hukam. However meat eaters take our rejection of vhaim too far and say we can eat anything! ps. So I suppose you are all meat eaters? As must be apparent from my posts, I am indeed a lacto-vegetarian (no meat, eggs or fish) and I believe this is Guru Sahib's hukam for us. Plus if it's ok I think I will try not to engage in too much of a debate on this issue as this would be going against Guru Sahib's hukam of not aruguing over meat!