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Mekhane'ch Jannat

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  1. In a society where people can make up a whole identity, based on the data that as males they like to have sex with other males, is a society teetering on the edge of the pit. No one denies that these unnatural acts have occured throughout history. But a big difference is that there were certain rules of behaviour, in the past, that were known as rules of NATURAL MORAL ORDER. Which were created over the course of many generations for the harmonious and coherent functioning of society. Now with no Natural Moral Order people feel free to 'express' all their unnaturalities in order to standardise and normalise them. It should be accepted that a Man goes with a Woman, anything deviating from this is against natural law and therefore against God and causes suffering to the person because it goes against natural instincts and will cause remorse for him later on. And I would say gays are possessed, possessed by an idea that causes them to override natural impulses, an external factor that enters into them and moves them in the Gay direction. All this 'i was born gay' BS is a self justification for gays to make their own Raj a gay kingdom which is their secret aim and conspiracy, eventhey have infiltrated Sikhs how sad. Please WAKE UP and dont let the gays make their Gay Raj by supporting them ideologically, being gay is wrong. But if you have to be gay it is ok to do it quietly in private, just don't try to make a Gay Raj.
  2. A muslim will go to an Islamic Heaven a Christian to a Christian Heaven and so on. In fact Heaven is created here. A secular individual who enjoys happy times with his family will remember these times and will try to keep on enjoying them in his afterlife, this will be his heaven. As I understand it, this is in Gyaan Khand which is the realm of the imaginal what the Sufi's call Barzakh and the tibetans Bardo. The Imaginal realm is 'powered' through Saram Khand where the subtle aspect of the mind is. Through this power, here, you can create imaginal forms, but more often these forms are created in you by external influences, and then you suffer the consequences. This is because of mis-use of Humans inherent power and the maze of ideas and concepts made by scholars and also bad ways of social living, being adopted.
  3. Thanks for this quote very excellent “Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.” - Buddha
  4. Imagine an Avatar descends to an Imaginal country where only 'English' is spoken. Unfortunately Adharma has become rife in this country. As it is the duty of the Avatar to spread Dharma it would be sensible to assume that 'English' would be used as the language through which Dharma would be spread. Even though this Avatara's teaching is different to all existing teachings, nevertheless he is constrained by the fact that if he wishes to be understood he must communicate in 'English'. It is impossible to create new terms to represent the new concepts the Avatar wishes to introduce, because in the psyche of people these new terms would have no meaning no association or reference. To create these associations would take long work. So the Avatar decides to use the existing 'English' language but uses specific terms, syncretically, already in use that evoke certain mental images, as metaphoric 'musical notes' to create a symphony according to the new set of concepts that are based on eternal concepts but are 'new' because they have been forgotten. In other words taken as a whole structure the Sikh Teaching cannot be assimilated to anything other than the eternal truth and can only be seen as an expression of the Laws of eternal truth of the universe on this plane of existence. Anything else as someone said is simply manmat or a limited one sided viewpoint projected on the Sikh Teachings. In the END there are only the Immutable Laws(Hukam) which are psychic or mental and which all ideas reflect(perfectly or imperfectly), a sane person would aim to understand and assimilate these laws and use them for others benefit.
  5. In reality there are no separate religions such as Islam Sikh etc. Each person forms his own personal religion. Or to be more correct there are a few who have the strength to carve their own religion. Use whatever you find useful there is a lot of information out there. Search after what feels true to yourself and forget the intolerance of others, it is just insecurity. There is a saying that the whole of the Koran is written in a leaf. Every aspect of nature is a symbol, which it is mans duty to interpret according to psychic laws. Each word is also a symbol, that is interpreted according to what a man is in himself. Vishnu is a symbol for a man to read and understand. The same as Allah. The duty of a Sikh should be to read these symbols and understand them. To regard Vishnu as Hindu and Allah as Islamic is a mistake For such people the doors of wisdom will be closed. The Namaz is also an outer symbol, but as a ritual not as a word or icon.
  6. External enemies are very different to internal one in my eyes. We have a LOT more personal sway in controlling the latter I would like to comment and say that this is a fallacy. There is a mistaken assumption that spiritual control is seperate from real life. That the spiritual is some realm of goodness that is untouched by the world. Everything in the world including manufacturing technologies is the result of spiritual sadhana. To do anything you need shakti which can only be got through sadhana. A Warrior is a career choice, if you choose to be a warrior, how much of a good warrior you can be depends on how much internal energy and control you can generate and then this internal power is objectified. The internal is always 'higher' than the external it controls and rules it. To act and to DO anything in the world means possessing an internal Shakti, which is normally pre given by God for a person to do a particular work or job. The sad fact of todays world is people are in 'rebellion' against this fact and try to DO things which they have been given no Shakti to do and therefore their work becomes empty and devoid of life, no matter how much it may be dressed up. Also the supposed control of external things is an illusion. It seems as though we can effect things as we see a physical result. But if we are devoid of internal awareness then these things are done through us and our false 'I' sense makes a good job of covering up things, while other forces push us hither and thither. Like the story of the King who ruled a wasteland but because he was surrounded by ministers who told him comforting lies as to his power and glory was content in this fiction and made no attempt to improve his Raj.
  7. The wars need not be moral ones. Warriors do fight for selfish reasons, imperialism, money etc. etc. So do some types of Sants do Bhagti to get siddhis and use them for selfish reasons imperialism money etc.
  8. Being a true warrior and a sant is exactly the same thing. To be a warrior and use weapons you have to first be able to control your arm consciously which controls the weapon. If you arm is moved to attack by an external force, lets say by someone swearing at you making you angry, then this is a mechanical automated response and is unconscious and robotic. A warrior means someone who has a skill and uses the skill consciously from internal direction and not from external influences. A Sant is the same because he is unaffected by external forces but his weapon is Bhagti. A person who knows how to fight but cannot control when and when not to get angry is just like a machine who has been programmed - a very dangerous machine.
  9. The Divinity that gave birth to all forms is beyond any Human conception, which is why it has been symbolised by some writers as Divine Darkness or in Sikhi as Sunn Samadh. But as the Deity manifested, that is entered into forms, from a purely subjective state into objectivity, it limited itself accordingly. The first limitations were Experiencing Subject (Father) and Experienced Object (Mother). These then gave birth to the Son which is the experience itself making a triad. The point of this introduction is that the Divine Mother is not some arbitrary appelation we can apply to the Unknown God, like some feminists like to do, but represents a particular 'stage' in the manifestation of the One Nameless Deity. More precisely the Mother represents the matrix out of which forms are moulded. She is the 'stuff' of the universe in an ultimate sense.
  10. Apart from accepting what Gurus, prophets, sages, devi/devta, pirs, fakirs, babas, sadhus, sidhis, yogis, and many masters have said, how do we prove the existence of the soul? Blind faith feels scary. This can only be proved through scientific experiment. First you have to accept a certain hypothesis and from this hypothesis you have to do tests and experients to find out if this hypothesis is correct. The laboratory is the human body and the chemicals are the hormones, secretions etc. And the hands that mix the chemicals is the mann the thinking mind. And the experimenter is the self. All experiments a priori need the experimenter. But the aim of this experiment is also to create the philosophers stone of pure happiness. Also if the experimenter is blind and deaf and dumb he will just smash up his laboratory so it is better for such an experimenter to have certain 'moving desire ideas' or laboratory attendents to come in and run the laboratory. But in this way the experimenter does not experience anything or learn anything new - so he is sacked, finished. Needless to say only someone who is full control of his laboratory and experiments can prove the existence of the soul, he becomes living proof through his actions. But such a one is rare. And promotions and grants can be got only when one has proved his efficieny in a certain line of work.
  11. What about the effect of 'chemical fertilisers' from the west on the seeds of desire? Hint Hint I think my story was too good.
  12. The thing is in the past a Farmer used to use home grown and stored 'seeds' but now there are 'seeds' from overseas, especially the West, that are being used by the farmers. The new seeds cause very high massive crop yields and the crops look wonderful but the quality of the crops is very low. And many farmers get destroyed because the farming practices that must be followed when planting the new seeds cause the nutrients in the soil to be dispersed and the land is destroyed. Because these new 'seeds' require pesticides and other chemicals for them to grow. So the farmer loses all what his elders have made for him through their hard work. But if the Farmers had more Aqal and Vishvaas in their own seeds then the 'western seeds' would not have been bought by them. It is only through Agiaan that these farmers have bought these seeds and now their fields will lie fallow, after making a few rounds of super-duper crops that look good but with no substance. But also some of these Farmers prior descendents left Punjab for the West. Now the descendents want to farm using the old fashioned seeds but the thing is they dont have any land because they sold it to move to the 'West'.
  13. Whatever has meaning for a person and is done with good intentions is not a bad thing. Even a corpse was once living and they have been known to rise from the dead And at least a corpse does no harm to anyone Modern western rituals like Xmas and going to pub/club rituals suck blood from people TV and media rituals like reading tabloid press and watching MTV are harmful to peoples' minds So leave Shraad ritual alone it is alright.
  14. Because the Sikh Panth is seperate from others. What I meant to say is that the core truths of all religions are universal. A great Saint may use these formless truths and embody them in a form (in our case as SHABAD). This is because older forms of the expression of truth have become stale and need to be changed according to law. The casing of form remains (rituals etc) but the essence which is truth has left the form. So in effect there is nothing new in the world, from a higher perspective of eternal truths, but from a world perspective (which is not lesser) things change and new religions and institutions are created with different forms. Forms are manifested ideas, forms are vehicles that can change according to how people think. As we are Men and not Angels this form is equally important as the essence, but without the essence the form becomes a corpse as a human body without Jeev principle is dead. Many Hindu practices and rituals are corpses. So it is important to recognise Sikh Panth as distinct but also to remember the fundamental essential unity from where the Sikh Panth is ultimately vivified from. And which Essence is the Source of all true teachings.
  15. and what is God's channel? did it exist before Sky Tv? Well basically there were the 'terrestrial' channels first of all. Then God decided to split Heaven from Earth and so we ended up with Sky TV and Terestrial TV. This was done by Gods Channel which entered into other channels and split them up into seperate channels, basically Gods channel is the fuzzy screen when you cannot get any signal, that is the Sargun version of it anyway. So now terrestrial TV mimics Sky TV, which is considered superior and terrestrial TV is a gross reflection of it. So Gods channel did exist before Sky and it was responsible for the Jhagra between the splitting up of Sky TV and its subsequent dominance, and this is as it should be according to law. On a serious note Jal and Thal mentioned in Gurbani could refer to Jal-Heaven the realm of pure essences and forms and Thal-earth the realm of manifested concrete forms. On a more serious note the more Sky TV splits apart from terrestrial TV im afraid terrestrial TV will become a sunder empty corpse.
  16. I think Shaheediyan raises good sensible points. The whole way in which food is cultivated is unwholesome. Chickens being injected with hormones, being artificially fattened so they cannot stand. Many western cows living a life of pain and suffering. And GM crops being used to commercially control all food production - the evil Monsanto corporation - And not to mention monoculture crops - the eradication of the natural diversity in nature - PLastic in the food chain. Chemicals from perfumes and soaps disinfectants in the water supply, fluoride in water..... The list goes on It kind of makes the debate about Jhatka and Halal seem childish, like two brothers arguing over whose toy car is the best whilst their house burns down.
  17. Amardeep is that the Sakhi in which Babaji chastises the pandits when they offer Ganga Jal to their ancestors? My position is that all teachers come to Earth to renew spiritual truths and not to establish anything new. In this sakhi Babaji shows the hypocrisy of pandits who do not know why they perform certain ceremonies and ritual. The actual rituals are not under scrutiny, but the intention behind them. When the understanding behind any ritual becomes forgotten it becomes a mechanical - unconscious - action. It is my idea that individuals who have had direct perception of the truth of reality instituted these rituals, from times primordial, for the benefit of mankind. If a person studies when certain holy days fall in various religions they will find that they occur at similar times and the newer religions just renamed and modified the older pagan traditions. For example the equinoxes and solstices are marked by festivals in nearly every culture that has been on Earth. This is because astrological combinations influence groups of people and individuals on earth, and if people use these influences by putting themselves in certain emotional and mental states during festival days then these influences can be transformed into results good for them. But the 'priest' class take over these rituals and use them to extract money from normal people. These so called priests cause people to become disillusioned with what our forefathers through hard unselfish work have created to benefit us. And as these rituals which are built on certain universal truths, become covered with so much falseness and maya, that teachers like Baba Nanak have to ridicule these rituals because they are being followed blindly and without any awareness. And therefore any benefit from doing them becomes lost and useless. Our generation is like one grain of sand on a beach, the innumerable generations that have gone before us created structures of thought to benefit the future generations. It is our job to renew and to clean up these structures not to demolish them. If it took so many thousands of years to build up certain civilizations and ways of life, if we reject this gift from the past, in our future we will sink into abject barbarism and become savages.
  18. Chatanga, if our ancestors will return in other bodies, then they must be somewhere waiting to be reborn. If a person does intensive jaap in a location, when someone else sits in this location he will feel the effects of the jaap. This proves that the atmosphere created by intense mental activity lingers longer in the air than lets say a smell of perfume. In a like way an Ardaas directed at someone depending on the mental power or intensity behind it sends force to the object of the Ardas. As mental power is not restricted by physical bodies, why would it not be possible for an ancestor who may have had certain intense mental tendencies to affect embodied beings, mentally? If someone upsets his Mum he can apologise to her or do something for her to get rid of the bad feeling. But if a Mother died and was upset with her son then depending on how badly she was upset she would affect the mental state of her Son for the worse, as the Mother is no longer living it is only during prescribed times like during Shraadh that dead ancestors can be receptive to the pleas of the living. If different planes of existence or Khands are taken into consideration, dead ancestors would be part of Giaan Khand. Which is the plane of manifested thought, which permeates the physical world.
  19. Amardeep, the soul moves the body. Although the body and soul are opposed, they are not totally seperate. The idea of spirit being uninvolved and totally seperate from matter is known as Cartesian dualism. This idea has given the green light for scientists to investigate matter without considering soul or consciousness Desires move the soul which moves the body. Pure desires lead to good and impure desires to bad. As everything is connected with everything else, to varying degrees, the prior desires or sanskaars of your ancestors affect your desires. A saintly family will create saintly offspring etc. etc. If you cheat an ancestor out of money and he resents it, after he pops off, he may hang around you wishing you bad, impelling you to impure desires. Since the feeling of resentment is a material thing of a subtle materiality, which affects mind. This feeling of resentment could be dispersed by 'saying sorry' by making offerings, peace offerings as it were. The view of ancestry as a physical phenomenom is typical aristotelian logic viewing things from the bottom up. Platonists view things from top down so the mind is the first cause, not physical matter.
  20. What is wrong with offering respects to our ancestors, so that they may bless us and keep us happy? It is well known that if a person upsets or causes pain to his mother, this pain caused has the effect of a curse on the causer. And also blessings of family members can have a positive effect on the mind. If you go to a Kings Darbar and ask for something good for yourself you have to pay appropriate respects. Likewise if you want something good from someone you have to give them full respect. (If you don't grease the wheels the cart won't go) So offering respects to ancestors makes them happy, which in turn has a positive affect on us. I do not see how this clashes with Gurbani. We treat Gurbani with the utmost respect, because our Guru can give us the ultimate happiness. This does not mean we do not respect our PArents or elders because it is only Gurbani we should respect and nothing else. That is absurd.
  21. It may be useful to consider gradations of duality. The Ego or the 'I' is what creates duality as this 'I' considers itself seperate from the large I called Akaal Purakh. A rock has a sense of I but this sense is of pure duality it is totally seperate and has no hope of becoming part of the one. A Human Ego has the possibility of reaching higher gradations of unity, to see the interconnectedness of everything. There is always duality on the path of knowledge, but the duality varies in quality, only at the end of all knowledge is duality finished. There is always duality because there is always an I and a Thou, but what becomes important is the relation between the I and Thou, is it a relation of a stone to its surroundings or an Angel. A stone is pure duality because it does not interact with a soul with its environment, you have to kick it to interact with it. An Angel is in duality because it is an Angel and not God, but an Angel is sensitive and has knowledge of the environment and is related more intimately with its environment - through smells etc.
  22. Well it depends how you interpret the mythology and more importantly if you possess the understanding to interpret it. In the above example you quote, Indra can be likened to to the Indriya or sense organs that are continually seeking sensory enjoyments. There is more to these stories than the mere form or external appearence but if people have degenerated by taking these stories at face value then this is a different thing altogther. In my opinion this represents a degredation of human consciousness which is made to see interrelations and create meanings for itself.
  23. please Dalsingh lets not reduce everything into bland linear historical 'facts'. The Asura and Devtay are personfications of intelligences. When a person has a sattvic mentality is polite gracious considerate pious etc. it can be said, by way of illustration, that she is under the influence of a deva i.e. a subtle influence that can guide the mind of a human. The war between these opposing forces can be explained through the form of actual historic occurences. But the 'history' of the Devas and Asuras is a history of Being. Or if you like a history of consciousness and the types of consciousness that are. This is not to say that the myths may contain actual historical references but this is only one layer of the myth. Myths are written in a very complex language that contains many layers if one person studied only the myths of INdia for a millions years she still would not uncover all of the meanings in them. A better way of seeing it is that Devas represent sattva humans rajas and asura tamas. The Gunas in prakriti are intermingled, everything interpenetrates everything else. If we consider the idea of scale, the Devas can be victorious in a human indiviudal by directing his Rajasic tendency to sattvic. Or in a city like ancient Ayodhya the Devas can be victorious, where good qualities predominate. And even whole countries may be under the influence of asura or the Deva. They do say that the UK is the home of demons. The stories of the battles between the two opposing forces cannot be explained through simply physical occurences. By this act, the value of these myths is destroyed, which are primarily meant to appeal to an individuals feeling of a higher more subtle truth. Through understanding of certain truths an individual is given a source of food which nourishes the subtler bodies. in ayurveda they say there are three types of food physical, air and food of impressions. Each food corresponds to its respective body. The myths of the Devas and Asuras provide a source of nourishment for an indivdual, by explaining away the higher significance of these stories a very much needed food is eliminated from a diet.
  24. Yes I have also heard that he was a homosexual.
  25. Everyone knows that the modern economy is unsustainable. But when faced with forces greater than yourself you can only submit and accept all the consequences that flow from it. It is an opportunity to create some true wealth instead of wealth that can be lost easily.
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