amardeep

hey dass jee. are u sure the Quran says Allah is in all? i have found this verse myself, but it only means that he controls these areas..not that he is these ares.. 002.115 To Allah belong the east and the West: Whithersoever ye turn, there is the presence of Allah. For Allah is all-Pervading, all-Knowing

yeah but muslims dont belive that God resides within all

most of the verses are regarding warfare, and not in generel. the hadith are from bukhari and sirat al rasool, and they all spring from the same sources as bukhari, which makes them unreliable.

but muslims dont belive in this.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh. i was reading a verse in the meat argument, that went like this: bayd katayb kahhu mat jhoothay jhoothaa jo na bichaarai. Do not say that the Vedas, the Bible and the Koran are false. Those who do not contemplate them are false. ja-o sabh meh ayk khudaa-ay kahat ha-o ta-o ki-o murgee maarai. ||1|| You say that the One Lord is in all, so why do you kill chickens? ||1|| mulaaN kahhu ni-aa-o khudaa-ee. O Mullah, tell me: is this God's Justice? tayray man kaa bharam na jaa-ee. ||1|| rahaa-o. The doubts of your mind have not been dispelled. ||1||Pause|| pakar jee-o aani-aa dayh binaasee maatee ka-o bismil kee-aa. You seize a living creature, and then bring it home and kill its body; you have killed only the clay. jot saroop anaahat laagee kaho halaal ki-aa kee-aa. ||2|| The light of the soul passes into another form. So tell me, what have you killed? ||2|| ki-aa ujoo paak kee-aa muhu Dho-i-aa ki-aa maseet sir laa-i-aa. And what good are your purifications? Why do you bother to wash your face? And why do you bother to bow your head in the mosque? ja-o dil meh kapat nivaaj gujaarahu ki-aa haj kaabai jaa-i-aa. ||3|| Your heart is full of hypocrisy; what good are your prayers or your pilgrimage to Mecca? ||3|| tooN naapaak paak nahee soojhi-aa tis kaa maram na jaani-aa. You are impure; you do not understand the Pure Lord. You do not know His Mystery. kahi kabeer bhisat tay chookaa dojak si-o man maani-aa. ||4||4|| Says Kabeer, you have missed out on paradise; your mind is set on hell. ||4||4|| can someone please tell me the katha/tafseer on this verse because i dont understand how it makes sence:(, because muslims dont belive that God is within all. they say Allah is above his creation. only hindus and sikhs say that God is all pervading and a part of his creation. so how can this sentence: ja-o sabh meh ayk khudaa-ay kahat ha-o ta-o ki-o murgee maarai. ||1|| You say that the One Lord is in all, so why do you kill chickens? ||1|| make any sence when it is adressed to a muslim? Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

they chased innocent hindus out of Punjab. i have some hindu neighbours who were chased out of Ludihiana by his crew. besides, lots of busses were blown up, or hindues were thrown out of the bussess and hereafter killed..

what about the verses in SGGS that tells us to treat animals well..is killing animals and eating them considered as "treating them well"???

nice essay. but if you look at it logically, dont you think that God will punish you for killing animals in order to eat them? i talked to an aunti, she said that the hukamnama from Guru Govind Singh Maharaj was that we arent allowed to eat meat, and not only "halal meat"... she says that it is those wicked shcholars that came up after 1984 that has been saying this in order to divide us bla bla...

i like the message of "one love". im not offended by it

unbreakable: download this video and hear what naam is. an excelent video. hands up for Guruka Singh http://www.mrsikhnet.com/videos/wmv/Guruka...20is%20Naam.wmv

javanmard: Imam Ali (as) once said: "If I were to reveal to you the true meaning of Fatiha and my real nature, indeed you would stone me to death." is he talking about himself being mentioned in the "mother of books"? i read something about it once, saying he is raised in the Al Fatiha. and yes you are right that the hadith does not mention the muslims denying the Quran, but still he did not go to them with the book. even if it contained the imamat of the 11 succeders after him, no one has still been able to see the book. it makes no sence to me, hiding a book which the entire muslim world is hungering for.

javanmard: Ali as went to uthman and offererd him the book during Uthmans time of khilafah, but only uthman rejected the book. the common muslim did'n. so why did he take the Book home and kept it under his bed? if the book was given to the muslims then there probably would not be so much division between the hundreds of sects in Islam, as the true tafseer would be knowable..

yes but the reason it is thicker is because it contains the tafseer to each verse. i just dont get why the Ahlul bait has hidden the book at Imam Mahdi, so that the entire muslim population is running around in error. why did'n the shiat ali get the real Quran?

here is an article regarding the complation of the Quran written by a pakistani. http://www.abrahamic-faith.com/shamoun/com...he%20quran.html and i dont think it was 50 years. it was 20 years, and it was just compiled when they gathered all the materials the Quran was written on, and made it into a book.

i see. but do we belive in the islamic form of hell where people will be burned and tortured?

yeah i thought it had something to do with the earlier revelations. but, what is hell according to sikh dharm? because i've always thought we sikhs did'n belive in such thing as hell (i am new to sikhism, therefore these stupid questions ).. is it like the islamic hell with people burning and suffering for eternal, or is it more like a "mental" state.

Sath Shri Akal Jee. I am hosting a camp for youngsters here in Denmark where i live, where i will teach the young sikhs about the life of Shaheed Guru Arjan Dev Ji Maharaj, and the events of Operation Blue star as June is coming up. i will need some help, because i have not been able to find any materials on Shaheed Guru Arjan Dev Jee. do you know where i can find some "videos" like the ones made with pictures of his Shaheedi with slow music in t he background. or any powerpint presentations on him. and also power point presentaitons showing all the Ten Gurus. i hope you will me. Thank you in advance.. -Amardeep

Sath Shri Akal What is hell according to sikh dharm? in these verses we can read about hell: Page 70, Line 16 ਰੰਗੁ ਨ ਲਗੀ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਤਾ ਸਰਪਰ ਨਰਕੇ ਜਾਇ ॥੫॥ रंगु न लगी पारब्रहम ता सरपर नरके जाइ ॥५॥ rang na lagee paarbarahm taa sarpar narkay jaa-ay. ||5|| Even so, if they have not embraced love for the Supreme Lord God, then they shall surely go to hell. ||5|| Guru Arjan Dev - Page 71, Line 1 ਚਿਤਿ ਨ ਆਇਓ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਤਾ ਖੜਿ ਰਸਾਤਲਿ ਦੀਤ ॥੭॥ चिति न आइओ पारब्रहमु ता खड़ि रसातलि दीत ॥७॥ chit na aa-i-o paarbarahm taa kharh rasaatal deet. ||7|| But still, if you do not come to remember the Supreme Lord God, then you shall be taken and consigned to the most hideous hell! ||7|| Guru Arjan Dev - Page 91, Line 1 ਪਾਪੀਆ ਨੋ ਨ ਦੇਈ ਥਿਰੁ ਰਹਣਿ ਚੁਣਿ ਨਰਕ ਘੋਰਿ ਚਾਲਿਅਨੁ ॥ पापीआ नो न देई थिरु रहणि चुणि नरक घोरि चालिअनु ॥ paapee-aa no na day-ee thir rahan chun narak ghor chaali-an. He does not give the sinners any stability or place of rest; He consigns them to the depths of hell. Guru Ram Das - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok and this one made me think further: Page 177, Line 8 ਗੁਰ ਕੈ ਬਚਨਿ ਨਰਕਿ ਨ ਪਵੈ ॥ गुर कै बचनि नरकि न पवै ॥ gur kai bachan narak na pavai. The Guru's Word saves one from falling into hell. Guru Arjan Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok does'nt the last mean that, people not following sikhism wall end in hell? what is hell according to Sikh Dharm?

i already answered them regarind sirgun nirgun and they havent given me any reply back...it probably made them shut up http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-re...html#post303736 click on the link and read please..

hahaha its difficult to leave when you see them asking all these weird questions

who are you to call anyone a kafir??

could it be because in a state governed by non-sikhs, sikhs will be opressed due to other religions view on sikhs and "disbelievers". for instance, a muslim state will impose a certain tax on you if you are a non-muslim, and a christian state will not even allow you to have a Gurdwara as you are a "hethen".... could that be the reason? i know there is logic behind like in the case of the "daughters poison"

http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-re...html#post303736 tell me if i have explained this fully and so that it makes sence..i dont realy know much about it, but what i have been reading in this post.

does'nt this contradict each other? do you know of any articles regarding the issue so that i can read more about it?

45)Putari da dhan bikh jananaa - Recognize the property of a daughter as poison? reading the link i was given, this means that any man should keep his hands of his dauthers property as she is an independent individial who can take care of her own property. the same way you stay off poison and dont get near it, you should also stay away from her things. it has to do with indian culture, where the father will control her daugthers life and supress her most of her life. DHAN DHAN GURU GOBIND SINGH