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I've personally visited their location 1 year back......they are really helping A LOT OF people in need. May God bless them.

I've personally visited their location 1 year back......they are really helping A LOT OF people in need. May God bless them.

The following is from Sant Baba Isher Singh Ji's Diary:
Types of Naam: There are 2 types of Naam:
Japa (Varan Atmak Bani/Naam): It is the Outer Sound Principle. It is also known as the language of the Pranas or the vital airs for it depends on different types of vibrations in the air. All these types of Japas give solace of varying degrees and one gets peace of mind of a temporary nature only, be­cause the various bodily chakra involved in them are of a lower order, situated below Third Eye. Varn-Atmak words pave the way to Dhun-Atmak Shabd and are thus essential aids in stilling the mind of oscillations, purging it of all impurities and rendering it capable of apprehending the Dhun-Atmak current within. The Varn-Atmak words may and do differ because of lingual differences, but the Dhun-Atmak Shabd being the Life-Principle of the spirit or soul is the same throughout. It can be further sub-divided into 4 subdivisions: Baikhri: These are labial sounds or sounds which are uttered with the aid of tongue and lips. It is when God's Name is recited with tongue and lips. It is the first technique and holds 1 unit in power. Madhma: These are guttural sounds which are produced in the throat or at the back or root of the tongue and palate. It is when God's Name is recited within the throat but without the use of tongue. This is 10 times the power of Baikhri. Pashyanti: These are sounds which originate from the heart center. It is when God's Name is recited within the heart but without the use of tongue. This is 100 times the power of Baikhri. Para: These are sounds which arise through vibrations from the navel center. It is when God's Name is recited within the navel but without the use of tongue. This is 1000 times the power of Baikhri. Ajapa (Dhun Atmak Bani/Naam): This is the Eternal Sound Current reverberating endlessly in every living thing. It is an Unwritten Law and an Unspoken Language. It becomes audible, however, when a spirit rises above body-consciousness. Here one has just to listen to the all-pervading Naam or Shabd. As this Sound cannot be expressed in any symbolic form, it is ex­pressionless. It may be contacted above the sensory plane, behind the centre of the two eyebrows. Here one starts hearing Anhad Shabad. It generally referred to as Naam down to Trikuti; and below Daswan Dwar, where the causal region extends, It is called the Trigun Bani, or Sound within the regions of the three gunas. It is also described as Brahm Janjalla, the network of Brahm, the God of creation. This Trigun Bani or Brahm Janjalla is still within the domain of Kal or Dissolution and hence must disintegrate. HE is beyond Japa, Ajapa, and Anhad. More details are posted under: http://satgur.net/Articles/Spiritual/8

Sant Baba Isher Singh Rara Sahib wale used to say: If the Guru is not-pura/complete but the student has 100% faith in his Guru that he is the God; then there are chances that student will reach higher Spiritual stages and will eventually get real Guru. On the other hand if the Guru is pura/complete/God-Himself but student does not have 100% faith on his Guru, then the student will NOT succeed. It means that Faith is more important.
Also, why the hell you're so desperate to show the world (other religions) to counter-act their claims? The real point is: What you've achieved by following Guru Nanak Dev Ji? Think about yourself, in dargah, your Spiritual achievements will be measured and not your debating skills (debating on topics which are all illusion).

I would suggest you to continue GO to Gurdwara during the time when Lot of Sangat is there and Kirtan/Meditations are going on. Here are the very reasons:
Even though I agree on the condition of Gurdwaras politics and all that, BUT at the same time, You do have the option to listen-to/sing-with-sangat the Kirtan. Nonone is going to say don't listen/sing; just don't participate anything outside. I know a lot of persons in our local Gurdwara who came in Sangat and listen/sing and then do seva in Kitchen or Jhore-ghar but don't indulge in useless conversations. It depends upon us.
  NOT going to Gurdwara and doing path at home sounds soo good but after a while you will notice that you will start debating on the need of going to Gurdwara, and then you will start missing your Nitnem also; and eventually you will notice that your Spiritual progress has slowed down and stopped. Basically, it is the trap of the Mind/Maya; e.g when a stranger wants to kidnap a child, then first he will attract the child with some sweets and when the child comes under his umberella, then he will execute his evil plans. Same way, the thought of stop going to Gurdwara because of any reason is just a trap because at the core no-one is stopping you to listen/sing the hymns with the sangat.
  The real reason for going to Gurdwara or any other Spiritual place is NOT to have the darshan of God as HE is everywhere; the real reason is the company of the holy (relative as compared to us or say higher in Spirituality); in Sangat there are always some physical persons present whose auras/vibrations are so good that it will encourage you to go higher. Also, keep in mind that in the Sangat Spiritual beings (not in their physical bodies) are present which again help us to go higher in Spiritual path.
  When we sing with the sangat i.e singing in combination will bring many great benefits because of the hidden-transmitters-receivers in the human body. Today, we have lost the knowledge of the importance of the singing the Spiritual hymns in the Sangat and along the Sangat; but if you study Scalar waves, Radionics, may other Universal Laws, and old traditions of Mantar & Tantar; then you will understand the Raw power of singing with the Sangat. At the end, I personally would suggest the following:
GO to Gurdwara when a Kirtan program is organized and when a LOT of sangat is present. Sing (so that you can hear your own voice) with and along the sangat. Once in a while do attend the Ardas if you cannot participate every time. DO seva of Utensils and/or Shoes or any other Seva, but just don't indulge in talking; you can receite Waheguru-Waheguru while doing seva. Do this for 40 days, and then see the difference yourself.

Scalar waves/energy is produced when two electromagnetic waves of the same frequency are exactly out of phase (180 degrees opposite of each other) and the amplitudes subtract and cancel or destroy each other. Scalar waves can be created by wrapping electrical wires around a figure eight in the shape of a mobius coil. When an electric current flows through the wires in opposite directions, the opposing electromagnetic fields from the two wires cancel each other and create a scalar wave. And this is nothing new, human body is producing scalar waves. At the core, the DNA antenna in our cells' energy production centers assumes the shape of super-coil (series of mobius coils) and are generating scalar waves throughout the cell and throughout the body.
Same way when Ida and Pingula (+ and -) oppose each other. Human body has always been a transmitter and receiver of scalar waves. As we know Human body is able to generate scalar waves automatically, we do have capability to generate intentionally Scalar waves either by pure concentration of mind or by mechanical process (e.g singing in Sangat with concentration). Mechanical method eventually uses the power of mind. In very simple terms, human body is most complex form of machine which has billions of different sub-systems which can produce anything provided one know the technique; at the core it is the Mind power or say, Mind does have the knowledge to produce anything.
Scalar waves occur in 4D and the thoughts also occur in 4D. So, anything is possible: ranging from free-power-source (Free Energy) to Wish-fulfilling (Radionics; mostly used for healing); but at the same time remember that as we (humans) have NOT fully understood the working of Prana (some form of Scalar energy or vice-versa), therefore it carries the risk factor that we're not aware of. Scalar waves does have the capability of destroying the karmas but at the same time also produces more other type of karmas. Its a chain. In other words, we do NOT know what we do NOT know.
At the end, I would suggest that pursuing Radionics and as well as Scalar waves/energy have NO benefit in terms of offering any Spiritual benefit; Just follow your path and let the things happen at normal pace. On the contrary intentional scalar energy does have all the ingredients required to pull you away from real Spirituality. But if you're under the guidance of Spiritual Guru, then he will take care of you; and sometimes will bluntly cut off your experiments for your benefits. Again but sometimes even Guru does NOT interfere in your free-will; it's very complex.
All in all, scalar energy has unlimited potential; e.g water stored in a dam has great potential and if the person (even with real good intentions) does not know how to release water, then he could create disaster.

As both Xylitol and Chatanga1 have mentioned the importance of good Sangat, and therefore I would like to expand on that.
I personally have felt the same as you (mrhsinghk) but I was guided by the guides about the spiritual significance of the good sangat. You can do the experiment as follows:
* Go to any Live concert of any singer/comedian/performer/sports/anyevent and enjoy the performance LIVE. At the same time record the entire performance.
Once at home, try to play the same recording event. Do you feel the difference? If you've ever attended a Live concert you will immediately say: Watching and Listening Live is another world, especially if music is involved. Do you know why? Just because of the collective consciousness of the number of people. In Live concert, the Raw emotion of many people are acting as one. It simply means that humans have the capability to tune in their consciousness with another and both gets the benefit.
But again, the requirement is Good Sangat which could also be found in the company of more than one at home; in-fact, the best company/sangat is with oneself (with our own Atma). But there are very few who could enjoy the sangat of self/atma, but rest of us are better off finding a place where there is maximum potential of finding a good sangat and Gurdwara is the best place (relatively) with the max probability of finding a higher level spiritual person with whom we can tune in our consciousness in the huzoore of Maharaj.
At the end, it's always nice to hear the things which subtly we want to hear, but that may or may not be the truth and could be a mere illusion.
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For the record, I'm pure vegetarian......and I fail to see where did I say it's okay to kill if you want? Stop putting words in my mouth.
What I meant was: Both vegetarian and non-vegetarian involves the killing but being vegetarian involves lot less karmic burden as compared to non-vegetarian. It implies that the debate on This-vs-That is useless mind's habit where we forgot that the real thing is be out of karmic cycle by putting the dhayan/concentration on that which will lift us Spiritually. Concentrating on Vegi as well as Non-Vegi would NOT make you or me Spiritually advanced. e.g If you're pure-vegetarian but constantly debates about the benefits of being vegetarians (non-killers), then your mind is still concentrating on vegi-nonvegi.
Don't make This-vs-That your profession. Be wise to see beyond. And again, I'm a vegetarian and thinks that being vegetarian gives me somewhat more edge on the thoughts of the mind; because after-all: we are what we eat.

Sahib bhaji, if your intention is to gain some Spiritual knowledge from the learned ones, then you might find the following list helpful.

Sant Baba Karam Singh Ji Hote Mardan Wale
Biography: http://www.ik13.net/PDFS/Pachhami_Parkash.pdf
Sant Baba Attar Singh Ji Reru Sahib Wale
Biography from: http://www.ik13.net/PDFS/Jiwan_Gatha.pdf
Sant Baba Isher Singh Ji Rara Sahib Wale
Personal Diary: http://www.ik13.net/PDFS/IAL.pdf Transcription of some Deewans: http://www.ik13.net/PDFS/NKU.pdf Audio Deewans, Bachans, and Suleman Pret da Udhar: http://www.gurmatveechar.com/audio.php?q=f&f=%2FKatha%2F01_Puratan_Katha%2FSant_Ishar_Singh_%28Rara_Sahib_wale%29 Video Deewans: DVDs of some live deewans in England: http://www.ik13.com/audio_video.html
Sant Kishan Singh Ji Rara Sahib
Bachans: http://www.gurmatveechar.com/audio.php?q=f&f=%2FKatha%2F01_Puratan_Katha%2FSant_Kishan_Singh_%28Rara_Sahib_wale%29 More Bachans: http://www.ratwarasahib.com/Multimedia/audio/listing.php?q=f&f=%2FKirtan+Deewans%2F01-Sri+Hazoor+Sant+Baba+Kishan+Singh+Ji+Rara+Sahib
Jathedar Sant Baba Mahinder Singh Ji
Audio Deewans: http://www.gurmatveechar.com/audio.php?q=f&f=%2FKatha%2F03_Katha_with_Dharna%2FSant_Mohinder_Singh_%28Jarg_wale%29 Selected Video and Audio Deewans: http://www.jargsahib.com/gurbani_view.php?cid=33 More Audio Deewans: http://www.ratwarasahib.com/Multimedia/audio/listing.php?q=f&f=%2FKirtan+Deewans%2F06+Jathedar+Sant+Baba+Mahinder+Singh+Ji+%28Rara+Sahib%29+Jarg+Sahib
Sant Baba Nand Singh Ji Nanaksar Wale
Biography: Set of 5 books: Anand Chamatkar by Bhai Gurmukh Singh Other literature: http://www.nanaksarkaleran.com/books Sampat Path Audio: http://www.nanaksarkaleran.com/sampat-path
Sant Baba Waryam Singh Ji Ratwara Sahib
Books: http://www.ratwarasahib.com/punjabibooks.html More books: “Do Rajay Jogi”, “Nau Rattan” both are based on Sant Isher Singh Ji and Sant Kishen Singh. Search on www.scribd.com Audio Deewans: http://www.ratwarasahib.com/Multimedia/audio/listing.php?q=f&f=%2FKirtan+Deewans%2F02+Sri+Hazoor+Sant+Baba+Waryam+Singh+Ji+Maharaj+Ratwara+Sahib More Audio Deewans: http://www.gurmatveechar.com/audio.php?q=f&f=%2FKatha%2F03_Katha_with_Dharna%2FSant_Waryam_Singh_%28Ratwara_Sahib_wale%29
Sant Baba Harman Singh Ji Rampur Kehre Wale
Autobiography: Se Kinehiya ( http://rampurkhera.com/files/Se_Kinehiya-Pbi.pdf ) Autobiography in Audiobook: http://www.mahapurakh.com/content/sant-harnam-singh-ji-rampur-khera-se-kinehiya-english Other Publications: http://rampurkhera.com/publication Audio Deewans: http://www.gurmatveechar.com/audio.php?q=f&f=%2FKatha%2F01_Puratan_Katha%2FSant_Harnam_Singh_%28Rampur_Khere_wale%29
Seth Shiv Dayal Singh (known as Soami Ji Maharaj) - www.scienceofthesoul.org
The Sar Bachan Prose (Sar Bachan Radha Soami Vartik) Baba Jaimal Singh - www.scienceofthesoul.org
Parmarthi Pattar I (Spiritual Letters) Maharaj Sawan Singh - www.scienceofthesoul.org
Gurmat Sar (My Submission) Gurmat Sidhant I and II (in english Philosophy of the Masters I to V) Sant Mat Prakash I to V Sant Mat Sidhant Spiritual Gems Baba Kirpal Singh
Spiritual Elixir Pythagoreans - www.scribd.com
Lore of the Pythagoreans, Mathematics Useful for Understanding Plato Lost Sacred Geometry of the Ancients, Pythagorean Sacred Geometry Mysticism Title Touches of Sweet Harmony, Pythagorean Library, Pythagorean Theurgy Mysticism Number Ontology Plato - www.scribd.com
The Timaelus of Plato, Mathematics Useful for Understanding Plato, Plato and the Criticism of Life, Classical Greek Philosophy Plato Aristotle Neoplatonic Pythagorean Vol 1 to 8 Dr. Randolph Stone
The Mystic Bible Swami Paramanada
Concentration and Meditation Upanishad Translated in 1919 Swami Rama: www.scribd.com
The Art of Joyful Living Enlightenment Without God Himalayan Santan Sung Nivas Let The Bud Of Life Bloom (Highly recommended for any present or future parent) Swami Rama Tiratha: www.scribd.com
In Woods of God Realization Vol 1 to 10 Walter Russell: www.scribd.com
A New Concept Of The Universe The Man Who Tapped the Secrets of the Universe The Message of the Divine Iliad Vol 1 and 2 The Secret of Light The Universal One Home Study Course Unit 1 to 12 Jon Peniel - www.scribd.com
The Children of The Law of One & The Lost Teachings of Atlantis

You cannot beat the mind; best way is to work along with him. Controlling the mind does not mean stopping the thought process. Control of the mind means using it properly, and knowing the method of using the forces of the mind. It is necessary that we learn to observe, understand, and train the functions of mind at the various levels of consciousness.
Techniques to make Mind one-pointed
Do not try to stop Mind from thinking something. Do not play wrestling with your mind. Just try to see what kind of thoughts mind is thinking and where it is going. Do not give Mind the permission to run, but do not stop it from going there - instead give it full control by saying "Mind if you want to go there, you can go; but I am not coming with you.". After some time, the Mind will become steady and would not run. This is the most commonly used technique.

During meditation build your determination, and tell your mind, “At this time my mind is only for meditation. I have to meditate and learn to go beyond this mire of delusion and confusion created by my mind. I am not going to identify with the thought patterns going on in my mind. No matter what happens during these moments I will be not disturbed, no matter what happens. Let my preoccupations come forward later. I do not want to be disturbed.” This way, we will build our sankalpa shakti. Sankalpa shakti (determination).
  This technique for those who has somewhat better control on their bhuddhi. In this technique, student divides his mind into 2 parts: One the owner, and other the servant. Being the owner of Mind, it instructs the other part (servant) not to run and eventually Mind gets trained.
  This technique is for advanced. Under this technique sit down for dhana and stop thinking. Empty your whole mind and watch from where the thoughts are coming. You will notice that thoughts come from outside. Throw these thoughts before entering the mind and destroy the thought. It would be interesting to know the Mind in terms of Bird. Mind is a bird. Greed and Honor are its 2 wings; Attachment and Hatred are its mouth (chuanj) and it resides on tree named as body. Good (Shubh) and Bad (Ashubh) are its food. The technique to control this mind in terms of Bird: Prepare a cage of Vichar and put this mind inside this cage. (i.e always think about what is not-changable). Cut the wings of greed by using scisor of Veerag and Santokh. Give him the food of rememberance of Atama.
 

I'm sorry as it didn't help you. Please continue with whatever helps you. God bless you.
One more additional tip in regards to "How to handle the thoughts":
try NOT to think about a thought that comes; just start thinking something else. e.g You're standing on the road watching the traffic, you see lot of cars going but you don't start thinking about each car and/or the person sitting inside. Same way, you your mind (road) will always have lot of cars (thoughts), the secret is NOT to entertain the thought and do NOT attach to your thought. Just watch and let it go; just like the same way we just watch the cars and don't get attached to what we saw. This is one of the tried and tested method as taught by various Saints.

Again don't let your Mind ruin the game. Identify that it is YOU who is allowing your mind to run the game. Don't fight, just work with it.......e.g If you're getting bad/different thoughts, tell him that he is free to go/think anything that he likes, but you're NOT going along with it....i.e not thinking about the thought he introduced. Moreover, negative thinking is the biggest enemy. But do NOT expect that someone else will come and help you, HELP YOURSELF.

In order to understand the solution to YOUR meditation issue, first, YOU need to personally feel the examples below (not exactly but something which you personally can relate to, otherwise its just a theory which is waste).

e.g Let's say you need to go somewhere urgently for an very concerned task and the only way to go there is via bus and but there is only one bus which goes to your destination; you go to the bus-stand to catch the bus and you see it just started. Now, you ran very fast for about half kilometer but eventually got on the bus. The moment you got on the bus, there is a calmness for few minutes (even though you're still worried to your concerned task once at the destination but for that moment you forgot your destination and just enjoy what you've achieved). The moment of this calmness is "Let it go"; because you got on the bus in-time.
Another example might be: You're in rush to go somewhere and you've an urgent need to use the washroom. The moment you use the washroom, there is a couple of seconds where one enjoys the relief (without thinking of next urgent task on hand).
Same way, wherever you feel unbalanced/irritating/uncomfortable energy during meditation; just let it go. Do NOT try to do something, do NOT try to think of something.....just be in the moment. Look for that short moment of calmness and enjoy it (as explained in the above examples). BE THERE and enjoy while the Universe/Guide/Guru is planning your next move and thinking about how HE would be able to help you......JUST BE THERE AND RELAXED....think of it as an Art and not War.

Excellent explanation by Maha Singh.
There are 2 sides of the same coin.

FIRST SIDE is: Spending too much time enjoying your current spiritual state and not moving forward. This is what Maha Singh has explained.

SECOND SIDE is: Stop enjoying the current spiritual state thinking that it is Kaal's play to trap you so that you don't move forwad. Here one thinks that it is not worth the state because it comes from Kaal and is bound to trap you.

This happened to me around a year back. I didn't hear any sounds, but whenever I closed my eyes I was transferred to another state where I'm talking with other normal persons, spiritual persons and frankly saying that was good and very enjoyable. When I told this to my Mom and Channeled Source; they asked me to not to go too deep and keep doing your path ALONG with family life but I understood it wrongly that I'm being asked to stop it; I also assumed and read somewhere that these things are Kaal's trap. So, I stopped it; basically IT stopped occuring.

Now, couple of days back, same channled source indicated that ALL the states goes throught the Kaal's play and I should NOT have stopped enjoying that state. So, I just hope that it will start again. So, at this point of time my understanding is that if one wants to move further then keep in mind the 3 following things:

1. Enjoy the current state and don't feel sad as this is not coming from your Guru and just coming from Kaal. Do NOT stop enjoying whatever comes your way.
2. As Maha Singh mentioned that don't always stay at one state and remember that you HAVE to move forward.
3. GURU is must; otherwise who will put us to next level? So, without Guru reaching higher AND correct states WITHOUT taking wrong route is not possible at all.

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don't use that much hot water. just the warm water is enough. In regards to quantity of water, use enough water that covers your whole feet. I am assuming that you are using standard size bucket and not using bath tub.
Moreover visualization is perfect but only when you know ALL ins and outs of it. So, I would suggest without visualization as the starting point, may be just recite Waheguru during the soaking.
Rest is up to you.

Please increase the quantity of salt from 1 tablespoon to 3 tablespoons (exactly 3). For dehydration, drink a glass of water (slowly by holding each sip in mouth for couple of seconds) after the soaking. That should kick in the process.

Either use Himalayan salt or any other authentic Sea salt. In regards to the purpose, it will help you......I would say "Try it first and there's no harm and see if it helps".........If it helps, then research why and how it helped, there could be lot of reasons ranging from Minerals in the salt, Basic setup of body to Spiritual reasons, Removal of Negative energies etc. etc.......

Either use Himalayan salt or any other authentic Sea salt. In regards to the purpose, it will help you......I would say "Try it first and there's no harm and see if it helps".........If it helps, then research why and how it helped, there could be lot of reasons ranging from Minerals in the salt, Basic setup of body to Spiritual reasons, Removal of Negative energies etc. etc.......

Try this BEFORE sitting for paath or simran.
Fill a small tub/bucket (so that you can dip your feet covering ankles) of Hot water. Put "Himalayan/Pink Salt" (1 table-spoon) Soak your feet in that water for 15-20 minutes (do NOT exceed 20 minutes and no less than 15 minutes). Now, dry your feet. Get rid of that water by pouring it down the toilet. Flush the toilet. Now, do the Simran and/or Path. Hopefully, you'll see the difference in first sitting.

good one......take it which ever way you enjoy:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY2gKc17YwI

where it was said that ghosts are integral part of Sikhism??.....tomorrow someone will ask if "plants/animals" are integral part of Sikhism........ghosts etc. are integral part of 84 lakh jooni and NOT Sikhism.

anyone having the 2nd tape, please upload it.


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There are couple of quotes from Socrates that I personally like:
Question: What should be discussed?
- Strong minds discuss ideas, Average minds discuss events, Weak minds discuss people.
Question: Where to learn from?
- Smart people learn from everything and everyone, Average people from their experiences, Stupid people already have all the answers.
Question: How to change the bad habits?
- The secret of change is to focus all of your energy, not on fighting the old, but on building the New.

Still doesnt say anything about following punjab local time. Ástral travel and the power of asthaans is one thing, telling people to do nitnem at midday because it's morning in Punjab is another.
 
 
 

You guys are completely changing the topic.
 
No one disagrees here about astral travel. I'm pretty sure gurbani supports it and many people on this site have experienced. It's not difficult at all, even myself (who has not progressed much at all - I don't even think I fit the criteria of naam being pargat yet) have had numerous experiences with it since the age of 12. You could probably pull an average joe off the street and he could be in Paris while his body's in mexico. 
This is what I have an issue with. He's not astral travelling. His body and mind are both in the UK. It's not like he's going to astral travel and send his mind to Punjab every day. So what effect will this have? I want something from gurbani.

Ridiculous!
You need to find out what amrit vela means and why it's called amrit vela.
Your logic is not gurmat. It's your own mind's manmat.
 
Guru's mat says
ਗੁਰ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਜੋ ਸਿਖੁ ਅਖਾਏ ਸੁ ਭਲਕੇ ਉਠਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਵੈ ॥
Gur saṯgur kā jo sikẖ akẖā▫e so bẖalke uṯẖ har nām ḏẖi▫āvai.
One who calls himself a Sikh of the Guru, the True Guru, shall rise in the early morning hours and meditate on the Lord's Name.