Nek

hello all, i would like to convoy my appriciation to all contributers to this thread.....Thank you... just a quick question. can anyone tell me where i can get hands on 'hum hindu nahin' by kahan singh? much appriciated nek

At the very last moment, one who thinks of his children, and dies in such thoughts, sookur jon val val aouthurai ||3|| shall be reincarnated over and over again as a pig. ||3|| hmmmmm dis line im confused. we are all human beings and are not obviously perfect. so im pretty sure ne one who die will think about there children. if that is the case that means there are more pigs on dis planet then human beings :? can some one elaborate what dis line really means? cheers

dhariwalh that was a WISE answer!

i asked my mum a similar question few days ago (apolygizes if i dont make sense or phased it wrong). she said that god ordered guru gobind singh ji to take birth on earth and set everything right. but the guru refused as he wanted to stay with the almighty. god then said to him not to worry as it will ME (god) who will do everything through him. All guru ji had to do was take birth in human form. am i making any sense??? help

sathsriakal nogroup singh, u mentioned to many books there. can you just recommend the absolute best books to read. honustly, not all those books can be good. isit there another site where it gives a brief summary bout the book and the auther? whilst im here i thuoght of another good book Daljeet singh, The sikh idealogy. 1990, singh brothers, Amritsar. (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/9990659370/qid=1056134530/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_16_2/026-2416008-4755661 ) come on peeps, more recommendations

oops sorry pa

theres no might in it miss...it WILL happen...dont 4get....960 MILLION WE SHALL BE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hello all! I, like most ppl on this site have started to study sikhism within. This thread will be devoted on books referenced to sikhism its philosophy and history. As i am still learning alot about sikhism I find it hard looking for sites and books which explain and goes in depths about sikhi. The net is full of flaws and misinterpretation on religions, and as most of u know, negative ppl who spread garbage and twisting religion around. The aim of this thread is for everyone to suggest a good book(s) on sikhi where people from all backgrounds can refer to and learn from the basics to the advance concept of sikhi. I have many books on sikhi but the best one is by daljet singh and Kharak singh. The name of this excellent and well written book is: SIKHISM its philosophy and history, with introduction by CHOOR SINGH, edited by DALJEET SINGH and KHARAK SINGH of the INSTITUTE OF SIKH STUDIES. (for more info just pm or reply) ok peeps continue the list....

my fellow bros and sisters i know exactly where u are talking from. i have spent 3 years living and working with sikhs from india. my main concern is the wide migration from india to western countires. most of these indians are cutting thier hair drinking, smoking and doing every bad intoxine in da book. where will sikhi go in a few years time?will these same indians have any idea wot is happening to panjab? wot will they teach thier children? these same ppl have no idea wots happenin in thier own country. to many ppl are leaving panjab and desire to settle abroad forgetting thier roots and culture. i urge you all to let ur family back hoome to stay and proper in panjab. i just read the article called "Do they give water allotment to Sikhs of 5 rivers?" What five rivers? Please excuse me, I need to vent. (source: http://www.sikhnet.com/sikhnet/discussion....C0?OpenDocument this guy is so rite, everything he said is either spoken from experience and/or studied the grounds of panjab. some have suggested that ppl in da western countries should travel to parts of panjab and set up sikh camps to teach the villiagers on wot sikhism is really about. i mean the problem is not only in western countires like most say. kids in both east and west are doomed if this habit keeps persisting...

website... http://www.info-sikh.com/HemPage1.html (better read and nice illustrations)

960 Million We Shall Be There are no heavens after death. You can practice them here. If you can surprise yourself and surmount your personal difficulty, and rise above the negativity and look towards the light, you will be as bright as you think you can be. And that's the will of God. It is a path of a sage, a saint, a soldier, a seer. What is a sage? What is a saint? One whose personal inferiority does not bother him and his divine superiority guides him. There is no difference. The realism of life is the ecstasy of God. 960 million you shall be, and you will walk on this planet with grace and dignity, once mankind will be free of a man. We are born of the double-edged sword. We will be free in spirit, and ecstasy will be our right, and grace is our always there. Narrowness, shallowness, fear, and hollowness of thought has nothing to do with our path. The past is not our way; the future has to become today to face us. We are the blessed creation of almighty God. It's the God's glorified will in which the Khalsa appeared. I know that these days the question is being asked, "What shall happen to the Sikhs." Worry not, we have gone through this many times, but we are timeless. You do not understand, our watch doesn't mean anything, because after every 24 hours there comes the same sunrise again. Chhiaanve karorr khalsa sachegaa Khalsa raj karegaa 960 million khalsa there shall be The khalsa shall rule (Sau Sakhee) I am saying to you all: you and your generations shall rule this planet forever. If man continues to survive for five thousand years, you shall survive in God's own Grace. When you don't forget that, you become the undying throne of this planet. Those who are challenging us, those who are planning to not let us exist, those who are trying to destroy us, we are grateful to them. They are our true love. Because they are making us stronger and stronger. Our purpose is simple. Guru Arjan sat on the hot plate days in and days out to awaken the spirit of the Khalsa. Guru Teg Bahadur got beheaded so that the blood of that being could nurture the spirit of the Khalsa. The two sons of Guru Gobind Singh fought to give you the strength of the Khalsa. His two younger sons got into the very foundation and the bricks of you so that you can become Khalsa. And in our lifetime, Akal Takhat has offered itself to it's own martyrdom so that Khalsa should remember to be Khalsa. Time will prove my word today. There shall be 960 million khalsa ruling in this earth, ruling the heart, head, prosperity and projection of all people. We shall illuminate the world in darkness and we'll warm the world in coldness. We'll serve the world at the cost of our entire strength. The insanity will prevail in the next 20 years coming into the Age of Aquarius. It will be up to the year 2038, when things will come to a stage that people will wander around requesting to be taken into fold of Sikhism. For you, please continue to keep your beard intact and Khalsa will be your own son or daughter of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Some will go away, some will give us a bad time, but in the end, this Dharma shall rule this earth for 5000 years. You and your generations shall rule this planet. Guru Gobind Singh, can you really know him? Yes you can. Wherever there is a body of the Khalsa, that's Guru Gobind Singh. Time and history shall record him in his magnificence and splendor. His subtle body shall cover our lives like the heat of a blanket. The brilliance of his subtle form will blind our eyes. Guru Gobind Singh is love. If an action in life, good or bad, cannot create love, then that action is no good. That path is no good, that tradition is no good, that religion is no good. Guru Gobind Singh says: Saach kaho sun leho sabhai, Jin prem keeo tin hee prabh paaio. I speak truth and all should listen Those who love God, alone will get Him." (Tav-prasaad Savaaiye, Guru Gobind Singh) You know that God is Almighty. Guru Gobind Singh Ji tells us God becomes totally subjective to those who love him. He does not become subjective to those who worship Him. God does not become subjective to those who know Him, those who admire Him, or speak highly of Him. Those who love God, God becomes subjective to them. Love is a continuous jappa. Love is anhad. Always in my memory, my Love lives. Extracted from "The Image of the Tenth Master - Guru Gobind Singh" by Yogi Bhajan

hey peeps, i know dis is sooooooooooooo long but it is totally worth the read.trust me... you'll love it!!!! .... There is a place high in the snow capped mountains of the Himalayas that was hidden from sight for eons. For thousands of years this place has remained unknown to humans, a place of utter beauty and peaceful serenity. Here a natural lake lies on a plateau at a height of 15,000 feet surrounded by seven white clad peaks. To the Sikhs this place is known a Hemkunt Sahib. Hemkunt Sahib is associated with the tenth Guru, Guru Gobind Singh Ji, but what distinguishes it from other historical sites to the great Guru is that it is linked to Guru Sahib Ji’s previous incarnation as the mighty warrior Dusht Daman. Guru Sahib Ji mentions this place in his composition Bachittar Natak. But it was not until the twentieth century after many long years of searching that Hemkunt Sahib was finally discovered. Before this site was discovered by the Sikhs it was known locally as Lokpal, which translates to ‘protector of the world’. It was a place of worship and pilgrimage by the local population, a place linked to the hindu trinity of the creator – Brahma, the sustainer – Vishnu, and the destroyer – Shiv Ji. The Vedas and Purana text of ancient India mention the Himalayas as the abode of the gods and goddesses, the locals tell tales of Lakshman, Vishu and Hanuman. The deity Lakshman who was mortally wounded in battle against the demons, was brought to the shores of the lake by his wife. She prayed to Hanuman the monkey god to save his life. Hanuman heard her prayers and found the life giving herb called Sanjivani Bhutti, this was given to Lakshman and he was revived. The gods were overjoyed and went to Lord Bramha to give thanks, seek his blessing and to protect them from the demons who ravaged the world. Lord Brahma told them that only Nanak the saviour of the universe can assist them in his tenth incarnation, that he will destroy evil and tyranny and will become the protector of the holy people. Lord Brahma recounts the following tale. Dusht Daman During the age of truth – Sat Yuga, gods and mortals will face the tyranny of the fierce demons known as Dhents. The gods will call upon Durga Devi to assist them and she will do battle against the dhents. The onslaught will be too much even for her and she will flee to the mountains. Here she will approach a holy man called Samaundh Rikhi who will be seated upon a lions skin. She will ask for his help. The pursuing demons will also reach his abode and demand that the rishi tell them where she is. The rikhi says that since the devi has sought his protection he is duty bound to assist her. The demons are enraged by this and draw their swords. The rishi addresses them " I am a Brahmin and will therefore not take up arms against you, but I will create a Khattri (warrior class) who will be known as Dusht Daman (destroyer of evil) who will destroy you and your kin". He then rises and shakes the lion skin, from this emerges shakti (power) in the form of a Khattri warrior carrying a sword. The warrior asks permission to engage in battle with the dhents. When this is given the battle ensues. The battles last for many years and in the end all the dhents are destroyed by Dusht Daman. The warrior then returns to the riski and says "what are your orders now ?" The riski tells the youth that he is to go to the mountains and perform intense penance and austerities. Dusht Daman sets of and reaches the lake of Hemkunt Sahib and spends many many years meditating on the name of the one true God. So much tapasia (meditation on Gods name) is done that the two – Dusht Daman and God – become one. Guru Gobind Singh Ji in his composition Bachittar Natak, which is written in beautiful poetry form, describes the lineage of Guru Nanak Dev Ji and how they were blessed to come to this world to put mankind on the path of righteousness. Guru Ji writes that Ram Chander son of Raja Dasrath had two sons Lava and Kushu. Lava and Kushu together ruled over Northern India for many years. They remained good friends during their rule and they colonized two important cities, Lahore and Kasur. But when after many long years of reign they passed away their sons could not tolerate each other. They became great enemies. One grand son of Lava named Sodhi won the battle and became the king of Punjab. The grandsons of Kushu were defeated and they made there way to the city of Banaras. Here they settled down and learnt the Vedas, the ancient scriptures. Due to their knowledge of the Vedas, they became known as the Vedees (or Bedies). One day king Sodhi remembered that his relatives lived in Banaras. He decided to meet them after all these years. He sent a messenger and invited them to Lahore, they all came at once and reached the Darbar of King Sodhi. King Sodhi was very impressed by their wisdom and knowledge and asked them to recite the four Vedas. When the Bedies recited three of the four Veda, King Sodhi was moved, he got up from his throne and asked the leader of the Bedies to take his royal seat. He offered his kingdom to the Bedies with great honor. He himself decided to leave behind his reign and riches and went off into the forests in order to contemplate the Name of God. When king Sodhi got prepared for his new abode, the newly crowned king Bedie said, "As you have gifted us this worldly kingdom after hearing three Vedas, similarly in the age of Kalyug we would offer you the Divine Kingdom in our third incarnation." So it came to pass that in the age of Kalyug in the house of Bedie, Guru Nanak was born as first Divine master, he was called the true Patshah. After reigning as the Divine King in the form of Guru Nanak Dev, Guru Angad Dev and Guru Amar Dass, he offered his Divine kingdom to the house of Sodhi , to Sodhi Patshah Guru Ram Dass Ji. The guruship then remained in the Sodhi house where it passed to Guru Arjun Dev Ji, Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji, Guru Har Rai Ji, Guru Harkrishan Sahib Ji and then to Guru Tegh Bahadur Sahib Ji. Not only was the nineth Guru the father of the tenth Guru, Guru Gobind Singh Ji in this life but also in the previous, for Guru Tegh Bahadur Sahib Ji was the Samaundh Rikhi that created the Dusht Daman shakti Guru Gobind Singh Ji then continues with his own story (apni katha) : Now I narrate my story,how from meditation and austerities I came to this world. At that place where Hemkunt Mountain is adorned by seven peaks, the place named Sapatsring where King Pandu did yoga. There I did intense meditation and austerities and contemplated God. In this way I meditated until, from duality, two forms (God and myself) became one. My father and mother also contemplated the Formless One through several kinds of yoga and austere discipline. They served the Formless One and God was pleased with them. So God gave a command to me, and then I took birth in Kal Yug. I did not desire to come, as I was absorbed in devotion at God's feet. Somehow God made me understand His purpose, and saying thus sent me into this world. From meditation and austerities God called me, and saying thus sent me into this world. God speaks: "I acknowledge and bless you as my son. I have created you to teach the true path. Wherever in the world you go, spread righteousness, and remove ignorance from the world. " The poet speaks: "I stood, folded my hands, and spoke this promise with head bowed: 'With You as the supporter Your path will be established in the world.'" For this work God sent me, and then I was born into the world. beautiful hunna :wink:

yeh, short n sweet but, if u hear da same story in panjabi u get dis deeper meaing effect. i realised its better to learn da sakhis in panjabi rather than english. but thats only if u have a deep understanding in both panjabi and english but anywayz that was good stuff

no offence, but where did u get 12 gurus from :? lol

i checked out the website u got that from but have a few doubts on the hemkunt sahib page.......can neone wid a deep understanding of hemkunt saihb plz eloborate on it??? its kinda confusing :? neway wkd stuff :wink: