ipledgeblue

are there any videos of them giving out brahmgyani certificates?

Just replying to the much earlier comments, castration was practiced to become eunuchs for kings in those days. Probably, some slaves practiced this for the prophet. did they do any of this to captured kings?

Ling katwa can still be used as slang for circumcision, so we can't argue too much against it not being circumcision! 

this is why we should read charitropakhyan!

On 6/4/2023 at 7:16 PM, hp singh said:

Accordingly ramgharia is sub group of khatri and of Jatt Sikhs..in khatri sikh they do business related to carpenter and in jatt sikh they were in farming and all ..like their caste are resembling with khatri and jatt sikh

I thought Ramgharia is a misl started by Jassa Singh?? How can it be a sub group? by this logic, other misls such as sukercharia and bhangi misl etc are also subgroups?

On 10/17/2022 at 10:45 PM, GurjantGnostic said:

Yeah we dropped the ball on sexual abuse and homosexuality so far. And making gay Anand Karaj solves none of the problems. 

And our supposed Amritdharis need to put down the bottle, and affairs, and honor Anand Karaj. 

why not let some of the amritdharis practise polygamy again, like they used to during misl period and before all the way back during Guru Hargobind ji's times, starting with Guru Arjan Dev ji arranging 2 rishtas for Hargobind ji after rejecting Chandu's daughter's rishta? I have also had some silly Amrit dhari Singh of a kenya background trying to justify his 2 exes and the serial monogamy of "dating", he said to me "I didn't do anything with them".... 

On 8/17/2022 at 6:11 PM, ipledgeblue said:

there is something similar written in a book by Bhasauria's son Ran Singh. This is interesting, need more information about sharda pooran granth:

Chaupai Sahib - Broken Bani? | SikhNet

 

On 8/23/2022 at 12:03 AM, GurjantGnostic said:

That site is spurious and the post is very un referenced. 

@paapiman

also it says pauri as 25 and and 26 so how can they be from different granths. Didn't bhai Mani Singh put these as one bani when compiling dasam granth. maybe the book by the nirmala sant isn't accurate?

ਖੜਗ ਕੇਤ ਮੈਂ ਸ਼ਰਨਿ ਤਿਹਾਰੀ ॥ ਆਪ ਹਾਥ ਦੈ ਲੇਹੁ ਉਬਾਰੀ ॥
ਸਰਬ ਠੌਰ ਮੋ ਹੋਹੁ ਸਹਾਈ ॥ ਦੁਸ਼ਟ ਦੋਖ ਤੇ ਲੇਹੁ ਬਚਾਈ ॥੨੫॥
ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਕਰੀ ਹਮ ਪਰ ਜਗਮਾਤਾ ॥ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਕਰਾ ਪੂਰਨ ਸੁਭ ਰਾਤਾ ॥
ਕਿਲਬਿਖ ਸਕਲ ਦੇਹ ਕੋ ਹਰਤਾ ॥ ਦੁਸ਼ਟ ਦੋਖਿਯਨ ਕੋ ਛੈ ਕਰਤਾ ॥੨੬॥

On 9/1/2022 at 10:01 AM, Sat1176 said:

We are sometimes quick to downplay other groups but listen to this incident when sangat ignored radhasoami leader and how Sant Isher Singh (Rare Wale) said they were one and the same. 

https://fb.watch/fgbpd9YHC8/

Clash between Nihangs, Radha Soamis; 11 injured (dailypioneer.com)

Days after the incident of church vandalization in a Tarn Taran village, a clash broke out between Nihang Sikhs and followers of the Radha Soami Satsang Beas on Sunday after the former allegedly tried to forcibly enter the sprawling Dera premises to graze their cattle, leaving 10 people and a police personnel injured.

Both sides pelted stones and bricks at each other and some people fired in the air during the clash, the police said. The Police also resorted to a mild cane-charge to disperse Nihangs and Dera followers.

Amritsar (Rural) Senior Superintendent of Police Swapan Sharma said that the situation was under control.

According to the police, a group of Nihangs wanted to enter the Dera Radha Soami sect's land to graze their cattle. However, the followers of Dera Radha Soami objected to it and denied them entry, leading to heated arguments.

One of the Nihangs allegedly attacked a security in-charge of the Radha Soami Satsang Beas, identified as Parmdeep Singh Teja, who sustained injuries in his shoulders.

Jandiala Guru Police Station SHO Davinder Kumar, who was on the spot, tried to intervene and also sustained injuries. The situation took an ugly turn when the group of Nihangs again forcibly tried to enter the Dera premises, leading to the clash between both the groups. Nihangs broke one of the entry gates of the Dera premises, claimed Dera followers.

A total of 10 people from both sides suffered injuries, besides the police officer. The injured were admitted to Baba Bakala civil hospital.

The Nihangs are a Sikh sect whose blue-robed members are often seen carrying swords or spears.

Meanwhile, Punjab Congress president Amrinder Singh Raja Warring appealed to everyone to maintain calm and avoid spreading misinformation. SAD president Sukhbir Singh Badal also appealed to the people to maintain peace and communal harmony while describing the incident as “extremely disturbing”.

“Repeated clashes and breakdown of law and order are pushing the state towards anarchy. I urge (chief minister) @BhagwantMann to immediately come to grips with the situation,” he tweeted.

On 8/8/2022 at 9:31 AM, paapiman said:

@ipledgeblue

The Sri Chaupai saab mentioned in Sharda Pooran Granth (written by Gyani Narain Singh jee) stops at "Dusht Dokh Te Leho Bachai". Gyani jee claims that this Granth is from the times of Shaheed Bhai Mani Singh jee.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

there is something similar written in a book by Bhasauria's son Ran Singh. This is interesting, need more information about sharda pooran granth:

Chaupai Sahib - Broken Bani? | SikhNet

Quote

One of his associates Giani Kartar Singh Kalaswalia was the head Granthi of Sri Harimandir Sahib. It was during his term of seva that the Chaupai and Dohira were removed. Teja Singh's son Ran Singh, wrote Dasam Granth Nirney in 1919, in which he claims that another Bani starts after the 25th pauri - Dustt dokh tay layho bachaaee. This is untrue. This is the first reference to the short Chaupai Sahib. Before this time there has not been discovered any reference of anything but the full Chaupai Sahib.

On 8/2/2022 at 2:56 AM, Arsh1469 said:

The community is private now. Is it inactive?

thanks for letting me know. I had set it private due to the request of another subreddit. However I feel I will make it public again. At the moment all it is used for is to bring people to this forum. I don't really have much time to update it these days.

1 hour ago, paapiman said:

Thanks bro for that info. Even a Bibeki Sikh will probably drink water from a well. But was he Sarabloh Bibeki?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

no idea! probably

On 7/29/2022 at 1:50 PM, Sajjan_Thug said:

At least their reading the bani, which is more then what the panth is doing?  We should encourage them and build them up not destroy them.  

 

Someone mentioned that the length of Chaupai Sahib varies from sampradays.  The Taksali, Budha Dal and Hazur Sahib lengths are different.  Hazur Sahib has the longest and Taksali one is shortest of the three.  Is this true?

 

Why haven't Nihang Singhs opened their own schools. What stopping them?

yes the extended length varies in sampradaiye, but ALL samprdaiye read ALL of kabyo baach benti section and ARRIL as well.

these other jathas+cults and SGPC won't even read the full kabyo baach benti and make excuses like "the bentiyan ran out, so we don't need to read anymore" and have printed gutkas with the bani missing and have influenced generations of sikhs into reading chaupai sahib in this shankawadi way and still influence even the current youth!

They are not just reading bani, they are influencing the wider panth with their anti-dasam granth views through chaupai sahib reading and gutkas!!!

there is a Budha Dal school in Patiala

Budha Dal Public School - Wikipedia

I find it kind of ironic that the Budha Dal School is in the former phulkian states!?!!

On 7/29/2022 at 8:00 PM, paapiman said:

Are you serious bro? 

Naamdhariye are also very strict in doing Keshi Ishaan (along with body) daily. 

Daas heard in a katha that they are very strict on Sucham Maryada too.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Yes I am serious, I know about a naamdhari Singh who drinks water from well, which is what a sarbloh bibeki is supposed to drink from!

6 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Good points of criticism. 

But given that Nihangs don't run everything, this is a pretty solid group to have educate your children. I mean we disagree with them about three things...we disagree with white public school how many times?

I still dunno, it's not really a good idea to go to a school that enforces a cult ideology!

On 6/14/2021 at 7:42 AM, paapiman said:

JFYI bro, there are two separate Rehats (Obviously, they are related to each other).

One is Sarabloh Rehat and other is Bibek Rehat.

One could be a Bibeki, and not Sarablohi and vice versa.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

On 6/14/2021 at 6:04 AM, Trimandeep Singh said:

TAKEN FROM 

WWW.GURMATBIBEK.COM

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Sarbloh Bibek - Sarbloh Rehit as Important as 5 Kakaars

Sarbloh Rehit as Important as 5 Kakaars

Original Text: ਸਾਨੂੰ ਅਤਿਅੰਤ ਅਫਸੋਸ ਨਾਲ ਕਹਿਣਾ ਪੈਂਦਾ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਅਸਾਡੇ ਬਹੁਤ ਸਾਰੇ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਪ੍ਰਚਾਰਕ ਜਥਿਆਂ ਨੇ ਭੀ ਸਰਬ ਲੋਹ ਦੀ ਸਾਰ ਮੁਖੀ ਸਾਰ ਨਹੀਂ ਜਾਣੀ ਨਹੀਂ ਤਾਂ ਪੰਜ ਕਕਾਰਾਂ ਦੀ ਨਿਆਈ ਸਰਬ ਲੋਹ ਦੀ ਰਹਿਤ ਦ੍ਰਿੜਾਵਣ ਲਈ ਭੀ ਜ਼ੋਰ ਦਿਤਾ ਜਾਂਦਾ। ਪਰੰਤੂ ਉਕਤ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਪ੍ਰਚਾਰਕਾਂ ਵਲੋਂ ਸਰਬ ਲੋਹ ਦੀ ਰਹਿਤ ਦਾ ਸਪਸ਼ਟ ਤੌਰ ਤੇ ਨ ਦ੍ਰਿੜਾਇਆ ਜਾਣਾ ਏਸ ਗੱਲ ਦਾ ਸਬੂਤ ਨਹੀਂ ਕਿ ਸਰਬ ਲੋਹ ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਅਸੂਲ ਹੀ ਨਹੀਂ। (Gurmat Bibek, Page 252)

Humble Translation: We have to say this with extreme disappointment that a lot of our Amrit Administering Jathas too have not recognized the supreme importance of Sarbloh otherwise, similar to Punj Kakaars, on the Rehit of Sarbloh too an emphasis would have been applied. But the failure by the aforementioned Amrit Preachers, to clearly preach the Rehit of Sarbloh, is not a proof that Sarbloh is not a Gurmat principle.

Vichaar: In the above passage Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh jee has made it clear that Sarbloh Bibek is a very important Gurmat principle and just because it is not widely preached and followed, is not a proof that it's not a Rehit of Guru Sahib or that we can choose to ignore it. Wearing Dastaar is a Hukam of Guru Sahib but a majority of Sikh women don't wear a Dastaar and from this we should not deduce that wearing a Dastaar is not mandatory for women. Bhai Sahib is clearly saying that Sarbloh Bibek is just as important as wearing Kakaars is.

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Trimandeep Singh 

On 6/14/2021 at 1:26 PM, Trimandeep Singh said:

This myth/popular opinion that some rehats are mandatory and some are optional is not in line with Gurmat.

Either it is Rehat or it is not. Simple. And nowhere in any of the Rehatnamey, is it mentioned that 'this' Rehat is optional.

A Sikh should try to do Kamaayi of all Rehats and hukams or at least strive to follow them.

I think they are one of the most dedicated gursikhs today who are doing so much for the panth. I don't think they are dhille in following any Rehat. They are Panj Granthi nitnemis, 24/7 baana even at work, strict sarblohis, always are adorned with Shastars and other strict Rehats. If you think Jhatka,havan etc is REHAT then please give evidence from Rehatnamey. As per my knowledge, they are not a HUKAM of guru sahib. (They are also against Jhatka and Havan)

Trimandeep Singh 

do these jatha groups who claim to follow sarbloh bibek follow it properly such as drinking water from a well? In Budha Dal, I think about jeevans such baba Surjit Singh used to keep Sarbloh bibek and it was only small numbers of Singhs who keep sarbloh bibek rehit. In Canada, due to lack of wells, some Nihang Singhs keep a different bibek. I know about naamdharis in India keeping Sarbloh Bibek and drinking water from a well only.

Anyone claiming to follow Sarbloh Bibek without using water from wells is lying to us!!!

Havan is actually mentioned in Dohira read with Brahm Kavach. Jhatka and shikaar is maryada encouraged by Guru Hargobind Sahib and Guru Gobind Singh.

As evidenced from their youtube channel,  Gurmat bibek does not have a strict rehit for reading Chaupai Sahib bani and read Kabyo Baach Benti Chaupai in the same shankawadi manner as most of the rest of AKJ and also same as the minimum found in SGPC maryada. If a sikh does shanka on dasam bani and cannot even complete kabyo baach benti before Arril, and makes excuses such as the bentiyaan already being finished, then what good are trying to be strict on some other rehits? These groups think it's ok to butcher Chaupai Sahib and Raagmala because they follow vegeterianism!

The fact that they dress up as Nihang Singhs yet are not prepared to give respect to Chaupai Sahib bani as true bana wearers like Budha Dal and Tarna Dal, that is insulting and admin cut behaviour.

On 3/14/2022 at 11:04 PM, Soulfinder said:

Dass saw this on YouTube today and it looks like a amazing place

 

On 3/19/2022 at 4:01 AM, GurjantGnostic said:

Ooooohhhhh that's fantastic. Exactly the people you want to see running it too. Looked at their site. It's awesome. 

no you don't, they are sikhs who pretend to dress up Nihangs and going to teach these poor kids how to butcher Chaupai Sahib and do shanka of Raagmala as well! It's a shame they call it dashmesh khalsa school when they don't even respect dasam bani!

13 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Only way I see to get Khalistan, or even land and influence in India, outside of the countries failing and us getting it, is we have to repatriate Punjab, have a consensus based shadow government, and start buying farm land. Putting five mobile homes, a well, a septic system, and a tesla power wall on each one. This model requires one Sikh with enough money to get each low cost plot started. Bought outright, or financed sustainably on their income alone, or close to it. 

No permanent structures, no bulding permits. 

Then we move Sikhs into all five mobile homes. Farm, train, etc. The landowner Sikh charges a lower rent than available elsewhere. Takes some of it for Langar and upkeep, and puts the rest into a fund for each of the other four families. Transparently and according to structure. 

When their accounts reach a certain amount, they're given that fund to buy their own plot and repay the Paanth buy helping four other families get land. 

In this way we grow Bungas of five Singhs or five families each, while we govern ourselves internally and get a unified stance on things. In the family version, only some members work full time, some part, some not at all. Everyone sells products from the farm to get fund money. In the single men version, the men work part time nearby, or full time in a way that let's them train a lot still. Single men version requires less housing structures. If their plot is really rural they use online business, farm and textile trade from the land, or commute to work seasonally in rotations. 

We use our internal power, and representatives, to interact with worldly politics as we establish, grow, convert, ally and gain influence, and farm land back, with a model that gets more and more land, not a model that gets destroyed when inherited and over split, and not a model that leaves all but one son landless. Rehao. Lol.

I mean this is really really doable by any family or individual who has a modern educated income. Buy cheap farm land. Put a well, septic and preferably off grid power. And let people live there and help for cheap. And put most their monetary contribution into buying them the same basic thing. Keep the overhead low. Half in the world half out.  Repeat. 

111 percent of this Paanth should own Khalisland all over the world. 

I don't think NRIs are allowed to buy land in Punjab, we are only allowed to own land which we inherited!

Would be good. It's shame they didn't lead this and just followed the crowd like the other elders with the harmonium.

A lot of 'Sant Babas' also use dholki, and they could bring back the mridang instrument which was a staple drum for keertan during Guru jis' times.

https://youtu.be/IQxy5gRMB24 ਤੰਤੀ ਸਾਜਾਂ ਦੀ ਗੱਲ ਨੂੰ ਤੋੜ-ਮਰੋੜ ਕੇ ਪੇਸ਼ ਕਾਰਨ ਵਾਲੇ ਜਰੂਰ ਸੁਣਨ | Tanti Saaj and harmonium Conversation

@GurjantGnostic next time please edit some of your posts and add stuff instead of spamming loads of posts in a row. Just makes it more difficult and it adds pages. Keep it simple bro! 

Can admin join posts into one?  @sarabatam

On 5/18/2022 at 12:53 AM, GurjantGnostic said:

For anyone who eats eggs, the white ones are horrible, the shell is weak, the yolk yellow and weak instead of more orange. 

however, the hens for the white egg breed are not abused. For pink eggs breed, the hens have to be debeaked since they are a less docile breed and will peck at the eggs. We should campaign for the white shell eggs to be honest. In the uk, they sell them to restaurants but white eggs are not available generally for sale to the public, there was an exception during lockdowns when some white eggs were sold in supermarkets due to restaurants being closed during lockdowns.

On 5/6/2022 at 8:00 PM, GurjantGnostic said:

There must be two mohammads like they theorize. 

The actual prophet that predates "islam".

And the pedo criminal criminal Kadija turned into mohammad. 

Because there's zero chance mohammad as we know is any light of anything. 

That or the pedo was included just to prevent violence. 

oh basically it's the same as muslims do now. When they are in minority they behave peaceful, when they build up numbers they behave badly and evil.

Mohammed behaved differently between different the Medina and Mecca times, the verses are different and the behaviours of him and his community. They change the rules, or goalposts, depending on their situation.

I was thinking that since Jesus said ‘Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?’ that made him lower level than Guru Arjan Dev ji's shabads.

However, just found out now that he could literally have just been quoting from Psalms, which is probably the closest to bani in the Jew tradition.

“Eloi, Eloi, Lama Sabachthani?” – Grace Evangelical Society (faithalone.org)

8 hours ago, MrSingh1699 said:

Bro I interpret the Gurbani you are referring to, to mean that we should't criticise religious books without understanding them first simply for the sake of antagonism.

But if we read them and, for example, see Slavery being condoned then that support for Slavery simply cannot come from God,

8 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

See. I know the Bible isn't a religion exactly. It's incomplete. Is this true of all three?

Well. Seems so. All broken or lost. Or subverted. 

But the history in the Veras is true. The history in the quaran is true, and the history in the torah is true. 

Although, I admit, studying deeply now with black isrealites, there is much more Dharam intact in that, than "christianity". 

the ved kiteb aren't false, however they do not contain the complete truth either. that is how we can criticise them. 

5 minutes ago, paapiman said:

Sarabloh info is still up.

What happened to the other two?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

one was NihangSingh and another one was either TarnaDal or Harianvela, I cannot remember. They just dissappeared. There are still some remnants in waybackmachine...

They were both created after sarbloh.info

Actually I remembered, there was another one called tisarpanth

On 1/3/2022 at 1:09 PM, Premi said:

If there's a choice between having two different sources of meat to cater for Muslims and non-Muslims or just one that's accepted by Muslims, then why would a business model choose to use two sources. Gore don't care about halal mostly, as far as I am aware. 

many goray do care, especially some christians and also animal rights activists.

On 10/9/2019 at 10:40 PM, harsharan000 said:

 

 

 

he cut the Chaupai Sahib bani here, very bad manmatt...