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Is Gyani Gyan's Singh Panth Parkash katha available on gurmatveechar ?

The keyword being false. That is india and the tiranga waving traitors like this kd described in one word.

Look what came crawling out the gutters. Trash. The same trash that promotes extreme brotherhood with bjp and hindutva. You and the tiranga waving trash are no different from these people you are trying to villify. Wow. Typical hindutva trash and typical response from you. This is not some kind of religious unity but a political alliance. And what is wrong with that? Both Sikhs and Muslims in Kashmir have had mass rape and extra-judicial killings of their people. Both peoples have suffered immensely under indian rule. So both groups joining to protest on the 15th aug is nothing that is special but the fact that both group are protesting together is suddenly anathema to you.

It's not just sad, it's an eye-opener to how these Sikh schols, once championed as a massive advantage for teaching Gurmat to children, (who, let's face it, get next to nothing from most gurdwaras and don't go) have not lived up to their expectations from the Sikh community. It's not just this school, Khalsa Academy Wolverhampton, has been taking in Sikh children and churning out athiests en masse. There is ZERO emphasis on Gurmat, a far cry from the starting point when the balance was on Gurmat with all other subjects. This is what happens when you get trusts taking over schools and seeing them as some kind of business and career expanding vehicle. Two Sikh boys, were jailed for life from Khalsa Academy Wolverhampton for the murder of another boy in their school. What has happened to the Khalsa Academy school in Slough? The one in Wolverhampton is a Khalsa Academy in name only. It doesn't even deserve that label and hasn't for a long time.

Where did he find the transcript in Lahore?

I didn't take it anywhere brother. I just said that your plane thing was nonsense.

84? I don't think the Panth learned anything from 1849 onwards. Where? Glad that you have brought it up. Let's talk about how the original custodians of Sri Akal Takht Sahib, the Buddha Dal., allowed the barring of low-caste Sikhs from Darbar Sahib, and did nothing for years until the Singh Sabha forced them out. If Buddha Dal with all its shastars could let this happen, what chance to mere mortals have? As bitter as it sounds, we have to accept the sakhi of Bhai Ghaneya and the fact that Guru Sahib praised him for it. Giving langar (and charity) is done blindly. I don't know how to change that but I would welcome any ideas. Sikhs are seeing a genocide again, but it will not be an overt one, at least not yet. India has no need to commit an overt one, they are more focused on covert genocides. The current genocide against Sikhs is coming from an infestation of rashtra lovers, who in their thousands and thousands are infestating online media platforms with all sorts of nonsense directed at Sikhs and Muslims.

I didn't either. It doesn't make any sense about the plane. Either elaborate on this clearly or just leave the conversation where it is.

But the plane needs both wings to fly and they are not competing with each other, claiming to be the sole reason that the plane will be better if either have dominance.

OK bro, maybe I'm getting confused on your point. It seemed to me that you were saying the Islamic power would be a good counter balance to capitalist/socialist/communist power structures around the world. What did you mean by the above statement? Please elaborate.

The mistake of thinking one enemy power subduing or destroying another enemy power is always going to be in your favour. Nader Shah virtually destroyed Moghal power in Delhi leaving Sikhs able to make claims on Panjab. It worked out . Native Americans helping the "white man" against other tribes in the hope that they would then possess their native american adverseries lands and hunting grounds. It was a genocide, and they have for all intents and purposes disappeared from the peoples map of the world. I can see you piping up everytime something comes in against islam and/or muslims. Hindutva training. Sikhs in india have left true Sikhi, for their love affair with the indian state. In the past 3 months, ManMohan Singh has dealt with at least 5 cases of Sikh youngsters converting to Islam in the UK. Whether they stay Muslim or not, the fact is that they had no regard or love for Gurmat to even consider that step. But only last week a high ranking police officer was labelled a Khalistani because he objected to a BJP woman breaking the law: As long as you kiss their arse, which you KD, seem to be fond of, they will love you as they love their pet dogs. But act against them and you will see their true colours.

I have started reading this book, and as with all books on partition of Panjab, it makes a VERY depressing read! I was hoping that this book would have truly reflected the feelings of the Sikh leadership and masses, but it carries a great irritiation from the author that the Sikhs won't accept themselves to be Hindu or part of the wider hindu pantheon. She makes the odd historical mistake here and there, but takes digs at the Singh Sabha and Gurdwara Sudhar Lehars. She also quotes from some quite hideous authors to back up the india-wide assertion that Sikhs were essentially part of the hindu society until the 1880s when they came under the infuence of the British to assert themselves as a separate people. So disappointing.

A dangerous path. A mistake made by many over the years.

Glad to see that some news outlets are taking the issue of assassinations of Sikhs more seriously. If only the british govt would have the same approach but while rishi is in charge that will never happen.

How generous of the Maharashtra government to "withhold it for broader consultation" !!! The fact that they must have been planning for months before doing it, and to even think about it in the first place shows that their intentions. I'm just glad that on the one side the hazoori Sikhs have kind of woken up to the deceitful nature of the indian states and their regional and central governments. Hopeful one day the delhi sikhs will shake off their slumber as well.

Listen to around 15 mins onwards but specifically around 24:40 to hear the "Buddha Dal jathedars" views on Baba Surjeet Singh

@jaikaara Why is this hindutva agent not saying anything about this ? He lives there in Nander, and has always pretended to be friendly to any Sikh who is against Khalistan and freedom for Panjab. What's Balbir Singh going to do? He can't visit Nander because the Nihangs there hate him. They don't accept him as Jathedar of anything. And it doesn't surprise me. I saw a video of Balbir Singh slandering Baba Surjeet Singh and saying the most stupid things about Surjeet Singh and his beard, claiming that Surjeet Singh kept his beard like a muslim. What kind of drivel is that to come from anyones mouth, let alone a so-called jathedar of Buddha Dal?

Found this on YouTube

The actual place according to the katha in Gurdwara Nanaksar, Jhang, Pakistan. This is the current condition of the historic gurdwara. It took me one year to listen all through the katha of Sri Gurbilas Patshahi Chhevin. I feel blessed and have learnt so much from this Granth. I cannot recommend it enough and it has proved a valuable soure for some questions I had about Sikh history. I hope my brothers on this forum have already started their journey into the katha of this granth.

Cameron pledges to help Scot imprisoned in India https://www.gg2.net/cameron-pledges-to-help-scot-imprisoned-in-india/ Let's see what Cameron does and hopefully it won't be any worse than Bo-Jo and his Iranian case.

No, as they were killed by the military rather than villagers. Plus the Muslims wanted to take the Sikh lands and properties so if they did convert to Islam, they would still be able to hold onto those properties.

Great list there bro! Lot'sof essential reading information.

In Sheikhupura, Sikhs had taken refuge in a factory, where they were soon to be surrounded by muslim military, and machine-gunned. Some 1200 Sikhs were killed in this massacre.

Here https://www.gurmatveechar.com/literature?browse=Steeks_and_Teekas look under the folder for Dasam Granth and its the one by Pandit Giani Narain Singh Lahore Walae lots of valuable Granths on there also.

Sri Charitro Pakhyan Granth from Sri Dasme Patshah's Granth Sahib.