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No-one is letting anyone of the hook, least of all ourselves. They are worse than us, that can never be disputed but the whole scenario is not as black and white as that. The fact is that on the whole across India, Dalits in Panjab have a much better existence than Dalits outside Panjab. And what are they given to convert? The missionaries say "we will pay your school fees, for healthcare and for food" etc but they still receive little of what is promised. Just like how the Congress and BJP have promised them "atta and daal" schemes but ended up giving them nothing. My village is full of Christians who know nothing about Christianity, they are there for the few free things they get. Like some eggs on a Sunday after service. But that doesn't affect just Dalits. Thats a whole other issue affecting the Panth. And so is this. There are so many poor jat sikhs. Probably more jats kill themselves in one year than Dalits kill themselves in a decade in Panjab.

No mate, it's not. No one denies that, it does happen, and still happens. But nowhere on the scale on what happens in other states. Read that article and look at the statistics. I'm reminded of a friend of mine from a long time, a chamar, with a heart of gold really, was telling me about the time he and his brother went to Benaras, to see the birthplace of Bhagat Ravidas Ji, and how astounded he was at the treatment of dalits in that area. But why have the dalits in UP, who have been on the receiving end of some appalling and brutal treatment by the high-caste hindus, not left Hinduism and embraced Sikhi then?

Dalits are hardcore hindus whilst the hardcore hindus are in power. They follow and align with the power to save themselves. Quite simply the BJP will have promised to give the Dalits something extra alng the lines of Panjab Congress Party "atta and daal" scheme, and in reality give them nothing once they have secured their votes. You can read about this here: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/bjp-wins-dalit-support-with-social-engineering-double-ration/articleshow/90136627.cms To claim that Dalits are somehow footsoldiers in the Hindutva army is a stretch of the imagination that is given colour by our India-loving Sikh traitors. Don't beleive this hindutva tool. Dalits are on the receiving end of high caste violence every single day. Every single day. Read this article and look at the statistics: https://www.gonewsindia.com/latest-news/news-and-politics/8-dalit-women-get-raped-in-india-every-day-up-has-most-victims-19156

Quite a catchy tune tho!

She said that you beleive in flying horses...

This reminds me of listening to Panth Parkash granth lately of how Adina Beg came to the Sikhs and asked them to ally with him to fight Abdali, as well as forming an alliance with the Marhattas. A tripartite pact was agreed with the Sikhs easily being the smallest party. The Marhattas reneged on their pact but luckily Sikhs withdrew from the camp before Marhattas managed to attack them. Dalits. And who is there that will ally with the Sikhs? Most people around the world haven't heard of us or our troubles in Panjab/India. If you think about it, we Sikhs couldn't do anything to save Afghani Sikhs since 1992.

Yes it's refering to Ajit Singh Palit. I didn't know that he was given Darbar Sahib by the Emperor Bahadur Shah.

Haha, it's not that I'm not arsed. I'm just terribly busy with work and stuff so I don't get to post as much. I wanted to share this from the Banda Bahadar book: Who do you think it's refering to?

Got these books a few days ago. @dalsingh101 you mentioned a book concerning Banda Bahadur, was it the Rajasthani one?

I beleive that Ustad Harji nder Singh Lallie runs a class in Birmingham.

I say I can't stand that bihari farsi hybrid langauage.

I see. Any links to where we can read about that?

Thanks bro, I have uploaded it for anyone who wants to download it. Where can members find it @Neo ?

I was looking thorugh a PDF of the history of Amritsar and I found some further details of Bunge around Sri Darbar Sahib. I have added a screenshot of it. Is there any way of uploading a PDF to the forum @Neo ?

Bhagwant Maan was a very good comedian of his time though, so he some talent lol. He has given up comedy a long time ago though. Possibly 20 years. For Sikhs/Sikhi hopefully it will be a neutral rule. Congress and BJP wants to destroy Sikhs, Akali Dal Badal are destroying Sikhs in the grab of being its protectors. For AAP, I think they will be neutral, neither causing any harm to Sikhs, but most definitely not supporting any aspirations of autonomy for Panjab as per pre-partition pledges. I am personally hoping that Sikhs of Panjab will ask two cases to be re-opened under Maan's CM-ship - 1. the murder of Jaswant Singh Khalra by Panjab Police 2. the murder of Jathedar Gurdev Singh Kounke by Panjab Police Neither Amarinder Singh or Badal did anything about these two murders whilst they were in power. Badal promised to hold an inquest in Kounke's case but then reneged on that once he became CM. I think Sikhs should be glad that both frankenstiens are gone and at least give Maan some time to see where he tries to take Panjab. I hope that Maan sees that democracy has taken him to the chair of CM and that he also doen't use force to silence the freedom of speech that democracy gives when it comes to Sikhs of Panjab. This secular rule is what nehru purported to uphold in india whilst acting against the Sikhs all the time. He only lightened up after the bravery and sacrifice of the Sikhs during the Indo-China war. This secularism is nothing but a hoax in this indian state. I hope that Bhagwant Maan's vision of secular is actually secular.

Any reason why you shared this ? The urdu says "South Waziristan National Assembly Member Maulan Jamal Al-deen being arrested by Islamabad police..."

Happy Sikh New year to all brothers and sisters on this forum!

She sent the military into the frontier to curb the talibs activities and paid the price.

Yes. Sikhs are unabel to defend themselves from the tidal cesspit that is the indian state, why direct our energies in places where we will not make any neglible, if any difference at all pre and post outcome. Do you mean in intel gathering?

Assassinated by the Paki Taliban. Bhutto caused the deaths of hundreds, if not thousands of Sikhs as well, giving the Indian govt information on those Sikhs who had gone to Pakistan, and enforcing their return to India.

The Sikh Federation relased this on Twitter, of how an indian poilce officer in the MET was gathering intel on a Sikh protest in London.

The Talibs see the paks as backup as and when they need it. But whats just so absurd is that the Pak government or even the ISI thinking they have some kind of sway of hold over the Taliban. The Pak government gives the tribes huge amounts of money to placate them as well. The tribal agencies are self-governing and they do not care for the desires or demands of islamabad. They only look to islamabad for neccessities like medicine and oil/gas etc. The Pak govt has tried several times to placate them with allowing the introduction of sharia law in the agencies but the talibs have always pushed and pushed, until the pak government then fights back. This has happened some 3 or 4 times over the last 2 decades. I read this book recently, its great for its detail and worth the £2.20 I spent on it lol.

Are you the same HSD that used to post here a few years ago? I thought you were myself but can you clarify? Kashmir has already been tried but wasn't successful, for several reasons. The Pakistanis have their own groups for Kashmir, and they will allow individuals from Taliban to join but but not as an organisation, as they (Pakistan) want to claim eventual credit for the liberation of Kashmir. Secondly, Afghan Talib (they are very different groups from Pak Taliban) have said they have no military interests in Kashmir. Although both sides always claim Mullah Omar as their Amir (leader). Pashtun nationalism has been alive since the 1970s but Pakistan fomented too much disruption in Afghanistan over this, and their ability to cause chaos in Afghanistan has dampened the Afghan governments desires somewhat. Although it was only a formal issue, as Pashtuns from both sides have never recognised the line, only the Governments have. Haha, no. Pakistan always backed their main player Gulbuddin Hekmetyar, a total pig who slaughtered thousands of people in Kabul in 1996 by months of incessant rocket fire. Pakistan, well the ISI, only turned to the Taliban after the Talibs took over Helmand and Herat. The ISI felt that the talibs were better placed to take control of Afghanistan than Hekmetyar was. Bhutto was the PM of that time, and she was persuaded by one of her ministers to back the Talibs. Look how that turned out for her...

Thats a very old video. It was from around 2007-10 when the Tehrik Taliban Pakistan under the Masoods took over districts in the frontier province.