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84? I don't think the Panth learned anything from 1849 onwards.
 
 
Where?
 
 
Glad that you have brought it up. Let's talk about how the original custodians of Sri Akal Takht Sahib, the Buddha Dal., allowed the barring of low-caste Sikhs from Darbar Sahib, and did nothing for years until the Singh Sabha forced them out. If Buddha Dal with all its shastars could let this happen, what chance to mere mortals have?
 
 
As bitter as it sounds, we have to accept the sakhi of Bhai Ghaneya and the fact that Guru Sahib praised him for it. Giving langar (and charity) is done blindly. I don't know how to change that but I would welcome any ideas.
 
 
Sikhs are seeing a genocide again, but it will not be an overt one, at least not yet. India has no need to commit an overt one, they are more focused on covert genocides. The current genocide against Sikhs is coming from an infestation of rashtra lovers, who in their thousands and thousands are infestating online media platforms with all sorts of nonsense directed at Sikhs and Muslims.

84? I don't think the Panth learned anything from 1849 onwards.
 
 
Where?
 
 
Glad that you have brought it up. Let's talk about how the original custodians of Sri Akal Takht Sahib, the Buddha Dal., allowed the barring of low-caste Sikhs from Darbar Sahib, and did nothing for years until the Singh Sabha forced them out. If Buddha Dal with all its shastars could let this happen, what chance to mere mortals have?
 
 
As bitter as it sounds, we have to accept the sakhi of Bhai Ghaneya and the fact that Guru Sahib praised him for it. Giving langar (and charity) is done blindly. I don't know how to change that but I would welcome any ideas.
 
 
Sikhs are seeing a genocide again, but it will not be an overt one, at least not yet. India has no need to commit an overt one, they are more focused on covert genocides. The current genocide against Sikhs is coming from an infestation of rashtra lovers, who in their thousands and thousands are infestating online media platforms with all sorts of nonsense directed at Sikhs and Muslims.

Please consider signing this petition and spreading awareness about it on social media. Jaggi runs the neverforget84.com website and has been picked up by ravan sena aka panjab police about a month ago. Respect to this brother who has done so much in keeping the information of 1984 accessible for the wider public.
UK govt as usual is showing how weak they are in assisting british citizens of colour abroad.
 
https://www.change.org/p/mp-justice-for-jagtar-singh-johal-juggi

I have started reading this book, and as with all books on partition of Panjab, it makes a VERY depressing read!
I was hoping that this book would have truly reflected the feelings of the Sikh leadership and masses, but it carries a great irritiation from the author that the Sikhs won't accept themselves to be Hindu or part of the wider hindu pantheon. She makes the odd historical mistake here and there, but takes digs at the Singh Sabha and Gurdwara Sudhar Lehars. She also quotes from some quite hideous authors to back up the india-wide assertion that Sikhs were essentially part of the hindu society until the 1880s when they came under the infuence of the British to assert themselves as a separate people. So disappointing.
 
 
 

The mistake of thinking one enemy power subduing or destroying another enemy power is always going to be in your favour.
Nader Shah virtually destroyed Moghal power in Delhi leaving Sikhs able to make claims on Panjab. It worked out .
Native Americans helping the "white man" against other tribes in the hope that they would then possess their native american adverseries lands and hunting grounds. It was a genocide, and they have for all intents and purposes disappeared from the peoples map of the world.
 
I can see you piping up everytime something comes in against islam and/or muslims. Hindutva training. Sikhs in india have left true Sikhi, for their love affair with the indian state.
 
In the past 3 months, ManMohan Singh has dealt with at least 5 cases of Sikh youngsters converting to Islam in the UK. Whether they stay Muslim or not, the fact is that they had no regard or love for Gurmat to even consider that step.
 
But only last week a high ranking police officer was labelled a Khalistani because he objected to a BJP woman breaking the law:
 
 
As long as you kiss their arse, which you KD, seem to be fond of, they will love you as they love their pet dogs. But act against them and you will see their true colours.

The mistake of thinking one enemy power subduing or destroying another enemy power is always going to be in your favour.
Nader Shah virtually destroyed Moghal power in Delhi leaving Sikhs able to make claims on Panjab. It worked out .
Native Americans helping the "white man" against other tribes in the hope that they would then possess their native american adverseries lands and hunting grounds. It was a genocide, and they have for all intents and purposes disappeared from the peoples map of the world.
 
I can see you piping up everytime something comes in against islam and/or muslims. Hindutva training. Sikhs in india have left true Sikhi, for their love affair with the indian state.
 
In the past 3 months, ManMohan Singh has dealt with at least 5 cases of Sikh youngsters converting to Islam in the UK. Whether they stay Muslim or not, the fact is that they had no regard or love for Gurmat to even consider that step.
 
But only last week a high ranking police officer was labelled a Khalistani because he objected to a BJP woman breaking the law:
 
 
As long as you kiss their arse, which you KD, seem to be fond of, they will love you as they love their pet dogs. But act against them and you will see their true colours.

A dangerous path. A mistake made by many over the years.

How generous of the Maharashtra government to "withhold it for broader consultation" !!! The fact that they must have been planning for months before doing it, and to even think about it in the first place shows that their intentions. I'm just glad that on the one side the hazoori Sikhs have kind of woken up to the deceitful nature of the indian states and their regional and central governments. Hopeful one day the delhi sikhs will shake off their slumber as well.

Listen to around 15 mins onwards but specifically around 24:40 to hear the "Buddha Dal jathedars" views on Baba Surjeet Singh
 
 

@jaikaara Why is this hindutva agent not saying anything about this ? He lives there in Nander, and has always pretended to be friendly to any Sikh who is against Khalistan and freedom for Panjab.
 
 
What's Balbir Singh going to do? He can't visit Nander because the Nihangs there hate him. They don't accept him as Jathedar of anything. And it doesn't surprise me. I saw a video of Balbir Singh slandering Baba Surjeet Singh and saying the most stupid things about Surjeet Singh and his beard, claiming that Surjeet Singh kept his beard like a muslim. What kind of drivel is that to come from anyones mouth, let alone a so-called jathedar of Buddha Dal?

Glad to see that some news outlets are taking the issue of assassinations of Sikhs more seriously. If only the british govt would have the same approach but while rishi is in charge that will never happen.

well, the fact the Sikhs are forbidden to eat Halal-meat only.

You're wrong with that one Bhaji, the youth these days cannot digest certain parts of SGPC rehat maryada.

Would you not class Taksalis and nirmalas as scholars bro?

Well, you wrote "Casteism, racism, selfishness will ruin anything"
 
to which I added my experience, in agreeing with you. 

There is no group consensus on Khalistan. Jatts support it and oppose it.  All other castes within the panth do the same. Every Sikh has to take a good, hard look at themselves, and their own behaviour.
Sikhs need to do this on a micro and macro level. I feel Sikhs outside of Panjab in the diaspora are managing this better than those in Panjab, but Panjab is also catching up.
You need to look at your own stupidity as well Dal. And look soon. You haven't changed from 10 years ago. Same turds come out in your posts, with some good posts here and there.
But your image on this forum is of a stupid pendu. Maybe becasue you;ve been locked in with those others on these building sites. 
 
Rather than building character and  mellowing with age, instead your stupidity and crassness is as evident now from your posts 10 years ago.....lol
 
Take a look in the mirror and ask what you see how they have progressed.
 
 
 
My history? My history towards others hasn't been horrendous. What has your history been like?
 
 
Peaks and troughs. I thought you would have known this through your research on Sri Gur Panth Parkash?
 
 
Who said they did? I haven't. But you, being you, said that "peasants had absolutely no problem with welcoming haryani hindu jaats into the quom. The same lot who had murdered and raped countless Sikhs around 84. But apnay peasants were all in a forgiving mood for that when it suited them........lol"
 
And I have already asked you twice to list any of these people who you claim murdered Sikhs in Haryana and then became Sikhs themselves in the Kisaan Andolan. And true to your form, you haven't produced ONE name.
 
Now who would want to be "locked in" with you??
 
 
I know the feeling with you on this forum. take a look in that mirror and ask why I have said that.
 
 
Why? That's just your personal opinion. People have supported others rights to have a country, without being part of that group themselves. What an ignorant thing to say.
 
Not every Sikh is going to be religious and not every Sikh is going to support a Sikh country.  But everyone has a role to play in strengthening the panth and themselves.
 
 
My people? My people are Sikhs who stand for justice from 1699 onwards. I don't thinb any of my people who have murdered other Sikhs for that flag and money.
 
That's just like saying all Tarkhans should be held liable for Zail Singh and the role he played in exacerbating religious and political tension in Panjab on Indira Gandhi's orders. Zail Singh was the President of India, he did a lot for that flag and money.
 
So we should start saying that your people dal, sowed the seeds for conflict in which thousands died in Operation Bluestar and thousands more died in Novermber genocide, and thousands more were killed by the state in false police encounters.
 
 
Well, quite evidently with your stupidity on this forum, you're now "locked in" with me. We are both the sparks that don't shine the brightest on this forum aren't we?
 
You were talking nonsense (daltalk) about how exposure would lead people away, yet you've come straight like a moth of ignorance to a flame of ignorance. How does that feel dal?
 
 
 
For the record, the ONLY gurdwara which I've been asked to leave was a gurdwara belonging to dal's people. And the reason is, they asked me my surname and were expecting to hear a name that tied in with their group of people and I said my surname is singh. They said if you can't tell us your surname you cannot stay here and must leave.
 
I left and was glad I did, because I would have been affected by prolonged exposure to dal and his people and could very easily have turned out to be like dal and his people.....lol

You'll have to explain it....lol
 
 
Like I said earlier, in plain english, furnish this forum with any names of Jaats who killed Sikhs in 1984, and then became Sikhs in the Kisaan Andolan.
 
 
That sellouts and traitors exist in every colour, community, caste and country. What's your point?
 
 
As far as I know, no.
 
 
Absolutey. Those people views stars on their shoulders and stripes on their arms, as more valuable than the sons of their mother.
 
 
 
You're not coming anywhere lol.
 
 
Did you see those tiranga waving Sikhs (read Hindus) in that video? I don't they are of "my" jaat.
 
 
Of course you can! I asked a very simple, cohorent question, in plain english, which you still haven't answered.
 
 
Maybe then you should get them to help you answer the question then? Obviously they (and me) invited these  Sikh-murdering hindu jaats into the Panth, so they can easily tell you why. I look forward to the answer.
 
 
Good?? I'm amazing lol.
 
 
And which govt listened to those complaints? The farmers resisted this new system, which would have made them more vulnerable.
 
 
Well how did Rihanna get to know about it in the first place? Because of the thousands of farmers in Panjab and outside of Panjab, Sikh and non-Sikh, Jatt and non-Jatt alike protesting for months. Mighty rivers flow from drops of water Dal....lol
 
 
Those mazhabis were overlooking any caste affiliations and working for the betterment of all farmers then, good on them.

Because people's perceptions change. Simple as that.
 
 
I'm comparing how Sikhs have always been loyal to this artificial creation called india, in the face of external threats. Says so much about you that I had to make it blindingly obvious.
 
 
They are welcome to bring figures and factual accounts. No Sikh denies that Hindus were wrongly targeted and killed at some times, but facts and figures are always needed. The kind that Jaswant Singh Kalra brought.
 
 
Many times. Maybe your eyes and ears were shut.
 
 
Every indian political office has a photo of nehru or modi, who were responsible for deaths in their thousands. And BTW it is you people who still bow and treasure those photos.
We won't put up a photo of this man you claim killed 329 people if you will take the photos of those men who killed thousands and thousands. Deal ?
 
 
Conflict is one thing Mr Hindustani, state terrorism and oppression is another.
 
 
Hold on Mr Rapistani. It was YOU or ME that started this thread of a Sikh thanking Pakistanis for their help with Panjab's floods, and compared it with Muslims threatening Sikhs in Pakistan?
 
Is that peaceful debate? Then when you get labelled a kdRam you start crying? Typical dindu.
 
I have attached ram to you name because you certainly don't deserve to use the name Singh. You and your kind of people are a disgrace to the Guru and Gurmat.
 
 
And get jailed for nothing? Tortured? Why ? What did Jagtar Johal do that he has been in jail for 5 years now, whilst the indian state have yet to start his case?
 
Jagtar is in jail and what have YOU done about an innocent man in the judicial system of your country?
 
 
Typical hindu bhapa mentality. You have tried to tell these "not so highly educated villager" that they are hindus for the last 75 years? have they accepted that they are hindus? Or is it just you urban bhapa sikh (read hindu) types who have folded over and accepted it?
 
Why are you and your kind acting as pawns for the indian state? All these hindu bhape crying over the tiranga yet none of are concerned about 1 sikh being in jail for 5 years?  Is that the acts of "highly educated people" or traitors?
 
Well if you're not afraid of it, then why make threads like this in the first place? Why has you hindustan been complaing to Australian and Canadian authorities over it?
 
And why are you afraid of Hindus in india? You side with them. You love their tiranga more than your own Nishan Sahib, You accept that you are in essence a Hindu, so why are you afraid of Hindus?
 
 
 
 
Wow. Give this guy a round of applause.

It was not a majority of Sikhs who voted Congress. The Congress vote is strengthened through the urban hindu and rural SC votes. It always has been.
 
Because Sikhs wanted to show that in the face of external threats, they did not the internal forces to be weak.
 
Same as when Guru Gobind Singh Ji, himself an idol-breaker,  asked the pahari rajas to form an alliance against the moghals, but the pahari rajas prefered to side with the moghals.
Are you going to ask now why the hell did the Guru of the Sikhs do that?
 
 
No and that was their main plank of failure. But it was a double sided sword. The Sikh leadership thought they could rely on the words on the next PM of India.
 
 
Yes and the Sikhs found that out very quickly when Master Tara Singh was arrested for treason in 1949, and jailed.
But in India even written things can be baseless. Like your PM Manmohan lying to the UN Human Rights Commission that no torture or extrajudicial killings were happening in Panjab. The same subject that Jaswant Singh Khalra talked about in his video. Today being the day in 1995 that he paid for with his life. And  you making up excuses to shift the blame to Sikhs and absolve your country and govt of any wrong doing. And you don't feel no shame about it either.
 
 
So the question is why the Hindus took that level of trust and betrayed it. They knew our weak position and our reliance on them and they purposely backstabbed the Sikhs. And you get upset and cry over Sikhs burning their flag.
 
 
Is that all you have to say Mr genocide apologist? some 30,000 Sikhs killed in false encounters. Thousands more unaccounted for. Your state giving those killers stars on their shoulders and stripes on their arms? And you beaming with pride at your countrys flag?
 
 
Why are you so invested in it then? Why is your country so fearful and vindictive over it? The referendum is as phoney as the flag you love.
 
 
Pendu's ? It was these same people who bore the brunt of torture and state murder. They have the same rights to freedom as all human rights do. Why would you want to deny them those human rights? You sound just like a moghal would. Or a nazi.
 
 
Who cares if the PM of Khalistan would be practising or not. The issue is not of whether they practice or not. The issue is of freedom. Something you need to do with your own mind. Free yourself from that tiranga. Darbara Singh claimed to be a practising Sikh, but under his rule, torture was rife in Panjab. Modi could claim to be a practicing Hindu, but I can't Lord Ram Chander or Lord Shiva supporting his actions against minorities.
 
 
And there you go. Your blindness and hatred means you see all Khalistanis as hot-headed. Says so much about you. You're no different from those snakes in delhi really.
 
 
And whats wrong with that?
 
 
Well AAP was given a chance in Panjab and they started well, but faltered very quickly. And thats why Khalistan Party won the Sangrur elections.

Glad to see that some news outlets are taking the issue of assassinations of Sikhs more seriously. If only the british govt would have the same approach but while rishi is in charge that will never happen.

How generous of the Maharashtra government to "withhold it for broader consultation" !!! The fact that they must have been planning for months before doing it, and to even think about it in the first place shows that their intentions. I'm just glad that on the one side the hazoori Sikhs have kind of woken up to the deceitful nature of the indian states and their regional and central governments. Hopeful one day the delhi sikhs will shake off their slumber as well.

Listen to around 15 mins onwards but specifically around 24:40 to hear the "Buddha Dal jathedars" views on Baba Surjeet Singh
 
 

@jaikaara Why is this hindutva agent not saying anything about this ? He lives there in Nander, and has always pretended to be friendly to any Sikh who is against Khalistan and freedom for Panjab.
 
 
What's Balbir Singh going to do? He can't visit Nander because the Nihangs there hate him. They don't accept him as Jathedar of anything. And it doesn't surprise me. I saw a video of Balbir Singh slandering Baba Surjeet Singh and saying the most stupid things about Surjeet Singh and his beard, claiming that Surjeet Singh kept his beard like a muslim. What kind of drivel is that to come from anyones mouth, let alone a so-called jathedar of Buddha Dal?

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https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/chandigarh/how-maharashtra-government-has-taken-control-of-sachkhand-gurudwara-board-nanded-and-why-the-sgpc-is-upset-9150282/
Nanded gurdwara: How Maharashtra govt has ‘taken control’
The Maharashtra government’s decision to amend The Nanded Sikh Gurudwara Sachkhand Sri Hazur Apchalnagar Sahib Act, 1956, has angered the Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee. Here’s why
Written by Kamaldeep Singh Brar  Follow
Amritsar | Updated: February 8, 2024 17:57 IST
The Maharashtra government’s decision to amend The Nanded Sikh Gurudwara Sachkhand Sri Hazur Apchalnagar Sahib Act, 1956, to increase the number of its nominees to the religious body’s board has drawn criticism from Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee (SGPC) president Harjinder Singh Dhami who said it was “sad, condemnable and a direct interference” in Sikh affairs “which cannot be tolerated”. Dhami has now written a letter to Maharashtra Chief Minister Eknath Shinde, seeking an appointment to discuss this issue.
 
Here’s a look at the amendment and why it has irked the SGPC:
What is the Gurudwara Sachkhand Board, Nanded?
The Takhat Hazur Sahib in Nanded, Maharashtra, is one of the five Takhats (high temporal seats) of Sikhs and is of great historical importance as the 10th Guru of Sikhs, Guru Gobind Singh, passed away here. As per the 1956 Act, the Gurudwara Sachkhand Board, Nanded looks after the management of the Takhat Hazur Sahib. It has an annual budget of around Rs 100 crore and property worth crores.
What will the amendment change?
According to the 1956 Act, the 17-member Takhat Hazur Sahib board comprises four nominated SGPC members, four members from Sachkhand Hazur Khalsa Diwan, two Sikh members of Parliament, one from Chief Khalsa Diwan, three directly elected from the seven districts of Marathwada, one member each from Maharashtra and Andhra Pradesh, and the Nanded collector.
According to the new amendment, out of 17 members, 12 will be directly nominated by the Maharashtra government, three will be elected, and the SGPC can now nominate only two. There will be no representation from Parliament or other organisations.
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What happened in 2015 and why the SGPC protested then?
 
In 2015, the BJP government in power in Maharashtra had trimmed the powers of the Gurudwara Sachkand Board, Nanded by amending Section 11 of the 1956 Act to empower itself to directly appoint the president of the board. Earlier, the president was elected by the board members. BJP MLA Tara Singh had become the first government appointee to the president post in 2015. The SGPC had opposed the amendment in 2015 but to no avail.
In 2019, the SGPC had blamed the BJP and the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh for allegedly using the amendment to indirectly take control of Sikh gurdwaras.

Found this on YouTube