Eternal Sunset

I don't have a problem with Guru Granth Sahib being poora. This is precisely why I asked for a passage from gurbani about anal sex (allowed or forbidden?). Until now nobody has provided me with a single line about the issue. Gurbani is complete and does give advice on everything so what I did was just to apply Ja ka hirada sudh hai khoj sabad men leh. It so happens that Guru Gobind Singh makes a reference to the Koka Shastras as a reference to sexuality as in "for these issues look in there". Now it so happens that the Koka Shastra allows anal sex. The only issue I have is the fact that it's a Hindu text.

Thank you so much for your kind help. The Koka Shastra is mentionned by Guru Gobind Singh in one of his bani. He says that God is manifest in the Ved and in the Koka Shastra. This maybe the reason why there are no explicit rules about sex in gurbani because they are already explained in that text. Are there any links to an online text ? I will flick through the Koka Shastra to see if it allows anal sex then. Thank you so much

I found a reference about Kok shastar. Does anyone have info about what this is? thanks

Amardeep wrote: This is your opinion. Definition of normal and standard would depend on culture and tradition. If you are going to go for standards of normality then refer to those that existed in the Guru's time not your own. The sakhi referring to anal sex in the Charitropakhian is that of the philandring king who used to commit adultery with other women. His wife wants to teach him a lesson and tells another man that the king abused his wife. She dresses that man as a woman and presents him-her to her husband the king. The king is seduced and as he is about to have sex with him-her, that man anally rapes the king to teach him a lesson. This sakhi does not concern us here because it is a homosexual act not a heterosexual act. We were discussing the heterosexual form of anal sex not the homosexual one, even though it would be interesting to later on explore what gurbani says about homosexuality. Singh Sahib Joginder Vedanti condemned homosexuality but I don't remember him giving the scriptural reason for it. We can keep this for later. Also that sakhi is literature and the narrator does not give a moral judgement whether that practise is allowed in Sikhi or not. I am still reading Dasam bani for the issue of anal sex. I do think I am about to find a reference.

What is this?

- define standard way of having sex - define luxury This is just your subjective vision of sexuality. I am asking gurbani's opinion. Anyways I am reading Dasam Granth and I think I am close to find an explanation. Matheen I didn't start the topic. all I see is people giving THEIR opinion rather than giving explanations from gurbani.

Gurbani does indeed talk about controling kaam but this is an ethical injonction not a law. How does this get translated into law. "Not giving into it in an extreée manner". Define extreme. Extreme could be anything depending on time, space and location, it is a matter of personal opinion and taste and is not objective and God given. Hence your argument of defining anal sex as a "luxury" falls. Anal sex is not a luxury it is one sexual practise among many others. It is up to the Guru to define if it is allowed or not. Sex once a day could is too general as it doesn't define the sexual practises. "i dont know much about jewish and hindu law, but i know that anal sex is a controversial topic among islamic scholars, and some allow it whereas others forbid it... Seen in this case, the law is not divine as it contradicts itself since the scholars argue on this topic each having their own arguments for allowing/banning it" I don't know about Jewish and Islamic law too much. But still I don't see how scholars contradicting each other make a religious law not divine. Look at the meat issue in Sikhi so many Panthik vidvaans say different things does that mean gurbani is false? I think that we should be very careful to make a difference between scripture and interpretation of scripture. I have done some personal research and Guru Granth Sahib doesn't talk about anal sex. Maybe the writing of Guru Gobind Singh would have something about it. Anyone got any advise?

Mekhanech Jannat wrote: "Where do you wish to get guidance from? How are you guided to the correct source of guidance? How do you know you are making mistakes if you do not follow currently any guidance?" - A Sikh receives guidance from his/her Guru. It is him that instructs him on all matters both spiritual and temporal, be through gurbani or his other writings "The answer to the last question is obviously an intrinsic morality inherent in humankind. It is this, the Guru's wished to blossom in men. This intrinsic morality is individual. This is why the miri and piri are essentially one or they are unified, mystical knowledge is the seed of socio-political rule. The light of mystical knowledge, ignites the fire of intrinsic morality. " - There is no instrinsic morality to humans. All great civilizations have received their moral codes from godly men who received them from God. Without that divine knowledge humans make up their own "morality" and as humans differ in culture, race and environmant that morality changes constantly and it is hence neither the same everywhere nor intrinsic. - Mystical experiences can be of all kind and are individualistic and subjective in nature. Each person receives a different experience. A society is based on a COMMON LAW based NOT on subjective experience but in divine revelation. Your argument makes the Guru absolutely obsolete and unecessary. "But each to their own, If, and I think you would, prefer to be told when to p1ss sh1t and eat, and what hand to hold your thothi in, then follow a religious legalistic law, and be happy my dear brother, do not become despondent because you cannot find a rule my brother do not concern yourself with altruism it is a disease." - Mind your language! The language you use is extremely rude and undignified. - Actually several rahitname do give clear instructions about personal hygiene. The Guru teaches ALL aspects of life. So yes you belong to a religion with a set of laws common to all Sikhs called rahit. Even Guru Gobind Singh obeyed this law when he paid a fine for showin reverence to the shrine of Dadu Sahib. If Guru Gobind Singh himself followed Sikh law who are you to think you don't need any? - Altruism is a form of daya and daya is the mother of all virtues and is the basis of the Khalsa. You call it disease...strange "Nobody wants the truth, keep your truth in a box, and when you feel sad open your box, and titillate yourself, knowing that you know the truth, you know the truth my brother." - If you don't want the truth why follow the Guru Sahiban? - I actually do want the Truth but if you are happy with lies... "keep your truth in a box, and when you feel sad open your box, and titillate yourself, knowing that you know the truth, you know the truth " Could you tell anything substantial that doesn't come from a Deepak Chopra book? "you know the truth my brother" - your brother? Excuse me! Could anyone please post a passage from gurbani or the rahit concerning anal sex please or at least give me some direction on where I could that material? Thank you

Hi all I just wanted to start a discussion on Khalsa Raj. I have heard some people talk about it like it's going to happen soon. Does anyone have any info on that? Also some people say Guru Gobind Singh will come back. I wanted to ask what Khalsa Raj will look like and how it will be brought about and also how it will be ruled. Thanks

Awww thanks Veerjee that's so nice of you. Bless you you made my day :) :) I love this shabad

Excuse me Veerjee but who is Jawanmard? Also we were discussing Sikhi I don't what this shairia has got to do with the matter at hand. Muslims, Jews, Christians and Hindus all have laws and so does Sikhi. Matheen you say that anal sex "is clearly forbidden" but is this your opinion or do you have a tuk from gurbani or the rahit to prove your point? If it is "clearly forbidden" as you say that means you have had clear instructions about this matter from gurbani, could you kindly provide the passage so as to inform us. A Gursikh takes his instruction from gubani and gurbani is the reference in both spiritual and temporal matters.Thank you.

Hi I am looking for a shabad played in traditional tanti saaj "Rakh pita prabh mere" If you have it please let me know

You say: "Sikhi is a mystical path, the thought constructs you are imposing on Sikhi are not compatible. " Sorry Sikhi isn't just a mystical path. It is the union of miri and piri. It has a mystical and socio-political aspect. If Sikhi was just a mystical path then Tyag Mal would have remained Tyag Mal instead of becoming Guru Tegh Bahadur. Then you say "If a Sikh has not a certain level of morality he cannot access the Guru. " Who defines that morality? You by accessing some hidden knowledge? or is it defined by the Guru? "To be able to read bani a certain amount of purity and inherent sensibilty of certain immutable laws, has to be present." I thought to read gurbani you had to learn the gurmukhi language first to get access to teachings and then work on your inner purity. "But these rules are not in an exoteric or manifest form. They are unmanifest in an archetypal form" So the Gurus came into Kaljug and that knowledge remained hidden? The Gurus came into this kaljug to enlighten the world like the sun so that divine knowledge should be manifest. If basic rules about married life are hidden somewhere then where is the guidance? Are married couples supposed to meditate about wether or not they should have anal sex? "I am not saying everyone can have access to these truths" So the Gurus died as martyrs so that a lucky fey can have mystical access to the secret laws of anal sex? "Gurbani cuts out the middle man and goes direct to Akaal" If you can acess Akal directly what need is there for a Guru?What need is there for the shahidi of Guru Tegh Bahadur? I am sorry but I am just one of those people who admit that they make mistakes and need guidance for everyday matters to be sure I am on the right path so that I can use the rest of my time meditating on God rather than "accessing the esoteric laws of anal sex"

Where can I get that book? Sounds like an interesting read.

Faith can mean many things. Faith can lead people to move mountains or it an move them to crash planes into buildings. Faith is one thing, but it has to be balanced with guidance derived from knowledge itself derived from God. Faith is like fuel. A car with fuel can go anywhere but it needs guidelines and directions. Same thing with Sikhi. Having shardha is great but you need direction from gubani as well. Sikhi puts a lot of emphasis on married life. It is only normal that, like any other religion, Sikhi should have its rules about married life. The problem is these things don't get discussed because of a certain shame. But people need to know. How am I supposed to lead a proper married life if I don't know the guidelines. The initial question makes sense because it highlights the need know the passages in gurbani and the rahit that talk about it. All this "make up your own Sikhi", I don't know...i just don't buy it otherwise any dehdhari guru is justified into saying that " oh I am a mystic I can make my own laws". I am just very sceptical...