HarjasDevi

No, you have done the topic diversion into personal attack on me, let's be honest here. 1. TOTALLY unrelated. BJP GOVERNMENT is not the COURT system or lawyers or police investigators. If police apprehend suspect and investigators have evidence and case is moving through Courts... you rabidly blame BJP, spew hate of Hindu's, and start talking nonsense about WW2. Okay. 2. Just to throw in here but... WHY did "successive German governments" pursue National Socialist era soldiers and officials in some Allied concocted claim of "war crimes" no less than Allies made an utter mockery of Nuremberg War Crimes Trial by allowing Soviet prosecutors to falsely charge and frame indictment against German Wehrmacht for crimes of mass murder which the Soviet's themselves committed in Katyn forest.... that literally impeaches the credibility of the entire Nuremberg kangaroo Court... since you have proven liars framing false charges. Wartime Courts were filled with hysteria and propaganda and served one purpose... mass murder and elimination of National Socialist government to be replaced with occupation government doing the bidding of the Allies because they had that power after winning the war. The Katyn Massacre: When The USSR Purged 22,000 Polish Men — Then Blamed The Nazis I know it's vogue for people in UK and West to LAUD the exploits of their barbaric war against European economy in WW2 and crushing of National Socialist government, using Stalin's mass-murdering, mass raping Red Army... accused of so many times more MILLIONS of mass murders and tortures BY THEIR OWN PEOPLE... then ever accused against the Hitler government... but I digress... It doesn't relate in any way to BJP government... if anything, Sonia Maino "Gandhi's" father was an Italian blackshirt fascist. Jagtar Singh Jaggi no doubt is a Khalistani, abundant evidence links him to radicalizing people and links with members of banned militant group. Did he cross a line and become active supporter and bring funds to Pakistan based Khalistan Liberation Force? Police and investigators say they have evidence he did conspire to commit targeted killings which did happen. What evidence do you have that deny's his involvement such to refute the charges? At least you admit that you have no evidence. You don't need any... your entire agenda is to spread rabid hate and blame against every Hindu and sanatan Sikh while defending Paki controlled terrorist outfits that TARGET Hindu's and Sanatan Sikhs for murder... out of the most misplaced rage and blame.

You have extremely unclear thinking. He was not a Khalistani, that's for sure. But supporting unity of State of India against separatism is NOT the same thing as advocating attack on Sikhs. I said: Show me where anyone from Namdhari Panth advocated that innocent Sikhs should be attacked, beaten, robbed, raped, tortured, killed? Now you flip and flop to grab some Congressi guy who is a Namdhari spinning damage control of his political party to suppress witness statement to media. Namdhari Panth doesn't force people to vote for Congress party, irrespective of whether Harvinder Singh Hanspal is high ranking member of Congress party. And you have not shown anywhere that Harvinder Singh Hanspal advocated anti-Sikh pogrom, or that Namdharis were themselves also free from attack. Just because someone is Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist, Christian, Sikh, Namdhari Sikh does not prevent someone from being corrupted or even criminal. You are labeling some stupid Congressi corrupted as being the same as Namdhari Panth advocated for Sikh genocide. No one in Namdhari Panth did that to my knowledge. Now you call me a criminal... if I am a criminal who has never physically harmed anyone in my life, then you have a very warped sense of what criminal means... oh wait, by definition of course must mean ANYONE who supports HINDU RELIGION so you can then justify goonda terrorism against me in some fantasy of self-defense. And yes, Khalistani's advocate murder of Namdhari Guru. It is obvious before the world the Khalistani-separatist lunatics are the true kaam-krodhis, criminals and murderers... and their hate-filled, rage-provoking ideology of radical Talibani-like intolerance of anything Hindu and praising violence against even the unsuspecting, unarmed, and elders who do not share their sectarian religious views and instead concoct anything against Namdhari Panth, or Nirankaris, or any Sanatan group, or Hindus to justify their political gooda-ism. What is really deeply sad to me... is that it took a demon like KPS Gill to actually speak the truth about it... because Khalsa Panth is so enamored of the terrorists that it commits sins against the youth by complicity of silence. You accuse me of so many things... yet what Nationalism are Sikh Youth upholding? loyalty to non-existent Khalistan>? Loyalty to Britain? Canada? USA? Australia? Germany? Malaysia? ANYWHERE but MOTHERLAND? And now can do nothing less than advocate extremist hate for Hindus, and blind support of any foreign state or jihadi attempt to break apart India... well try that in UK, USA, Canada, Germany, Malaysia.. you'll find yourself on trial for treason and terrorism and disappear. What kind of insane political radicalism is that to teach the youth in the name of religion?

Gursikhi is not about politics ever. No Namdhari ever supported Congress government pogrom against Sikhs, and every Sikh including Namdharis was included in those who were attacked. Namdharis do not support anti-India, anti-government militancy or acts of domestic terrorism. I personally am not a Namdhari, but they are not guilty of anything against Khalsa Panth... and neither do corrupted Kharkhoos and goondas who fired machine guns and ignited bombs targetting not only guilty but innocents as well fighting a "war of terror" against civilians out of revenge and stupidity...and running drugs into Punjab on behalf of Pakistani ISI... neither do they speak for what Sikhism is or isn't... and worse, those have swaroop of goondas and not of Guru's Sikhs.

Then you are incapable of discussion, and stick blindly to only one-side... but don't substitute dirtiest, corrupted politics for "religion." BJP is a political party. They are neither the government which ordered, sanctioned and perpetrated the killings... neither are they the Supreme Court of India, or Law Enforcement... and not being such are not responsible for the massive delays, destruction and tampering of evidence which Congress Party did to protect itself over decades, and thus impede investigations. I am neither judge, nor jury nor executioner,,, I have neither compiled evidence of his involvement or complicity, either direct or indirect. Neither is the government, except for the JUDICIARY and National Investigation Agency (NIA). What I do know is he has been CHARGED with funding Khalistan Liberation Force and targeted murders and there is enough evidence to hold him for trial. I believe he has the right to an attorney, to fair trial whether he can get one or not is not in my power. I believe he has the right to be safe from torture, whether that can change in current state of India is again not in my power. That said, how do you know he is innocent? And more pertinent, is it that you blindly stand behind and support Khalistan Liberation Force AND justify targeted killings that you support him? Perhaps it is the other way around. Two separate subjects. In the first place, you have not established with any evidence that current government of India is 1. "terrorist" or 2. "fascist." For a fact it is PRO-India, and therefore PRO-Nationalist. But that is where the comparison ends, because while Fascism is Nationalist... not every form of Nationalism is Fascist. Where did it become a sin to support one's own heritage, culture and country's interests above foreign instigators? Yes of course... under CONGRESS Party... which latched onto anti-Hindu agenda... and placed PSYCHOLOGICAL blame for it's OWN crimes against Sikhs starting in 1984 onto PRO-Hindu party, BJP... when in fact, everybody knows Indira Goonda married a Muslim orchestrated by Mohandas Gandhi, which is why he lent her the protection and power of his surname... And her favorite son Sanjay married Moneka Kaur, a Sikh... and oldest son Rajiv married Sonia Maino, an Italian Christian lady. And REASON for massive anti-Hindu communalism of Congress Party was that leading power "Gandhi" family WAS NOT HINDU!~ And because many of the events tearing apart India since it's inception were orchestrated by FOREIGN powers seeking to divide and conquer. Fascism comes from the bundle of sticks tied together to protect an axe... because UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL. And when Knights stop protecting Maidens... they get taken into captivity and raped and married off to the enemy, and become another country. Yes, I am PROUDLY FASCIST. But India is not a fascist government, no matter how hard foreign controlled (and funded) ultra wealthy and corrupted "Gandhi" family claims. I do not support creating communal disharmony and divisions, or supporting divisive causes to break India apart to become another Bangladesh. That said, I do not support injustices and promote REFORM of major institutions which DIRTY MONEY AND CORRUPTEDS have compromised. It is Kaljug. You have neither proved, nor explained in what way violent political sins are to be blamed on HINDU RELIGION!~ The crimes of Congress cannot be honestly laid at feet of BJP. They alone bear that burden of blame... only psychological devices and political and media manipulations blame THEIR POLITICAL RIVALS FOR THEIR OWN DIRTY DEEDS!~ The nobility of defending and protecting one's own heritage and culture (Hindu tattva, Hinduness, of the people of ancient Bharat along river Sindhu-location), which... yes every Sikh shares with Bharatiya culture, also known as land along the river Sindhu, Hindu. Even Muslim's from India have shared heritage and culture... do you think they are well served murdering Ahmadiyas and Sufis and Sant Mat unity importing "terroristic" and intolerant Saudi Arabian Sunni Wahhabi-Salafism or Afghani Talibanism? What part of Indian culture is that? At least Master Tara Singh was co-founder of Vishwa Hindu Parishad. Khalistan will never exist. Blind support of terrorism against India will never go unpunished. Mental gymnastics to blame current government of India for crimes of Congress government is ludicrous. The hatred and blame of Hindu religion and people, in support of foreign terrorism against them, is shameful... and to place all that under umbrella of "SIKH RELIGION" is simply the evidence of Kaljug. Gursikhi is about LOVE, and defending the innocents from harm. Sikhi is about worship of the God whose name is TRUTH... and not political lies.

All Sikhs were targeted in 1984. Namdhari Panth didn't support the separatist state of Khalistan. You must differentiate what the allegation is... they didn't help Sikhs, or they didn't take up arms in support of anti-India militancy? for those are separate things. Khalistanis are not all Sikhs. Khalistan is not about Sikhism.

Namdhari Panth in every way is swaroop of true Gursikhi.

"Nirmala teachings incorporated Sikh teachings and doctrines within a largely Hindu/Vedantic framework... At first Nirmalas wore only white garments but later adopted the ochre robes worn by Hindu ascetics, which is now a distinguishing mark of the sect, and shared some other practices, such as birth and death rites, with Hindus. They generally practise celibacy and are devoted to scriptural and philosophical study, but by tradition they are inclined towards classical Hindu Vedic philosophy. They wore saffron robes (symbolising saintliness and renunciation), and all were Keshdharis (Uncut hair)." https://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Nirmala BJP did not order or sanction the murders as Congress Party did. Why are they charged as being more responsible than Congress? He committed murders which complicates his case. I too wish that there had been a general amnesty to all Sikh karkhoos in the 1990's, but I do not have that authority. That said there is no support or justification for continuing targeted murders against political opponents by those intending to continue militancy and separatist war long past the point of any realistic outcome. That's just a fool's errand. These misguided extremists just become pawns for foreign countries, traitors, spies, terrorists... to any country in the world and no one can help them. I have never condemned him, nor advocated for him as I cannot absolve him from his murder charges either. His destiny belongs to laws of the country where he committed his crimes, Karma and God and with the souls of those he wronged, especially if they were legitimate targets of warfare, or he committed cowardly acts of ambush for political murder. His case has nothing to do with the topic of riots over Citizenship Amnesty Bill. Best of luck creating a separatist Sikh state called Khalistan smack in the middle of nuclear Pakistan and nuclear India... Sikh Panth does not even accept most traditional sanatan and monay Sikhs... that reduces population of Sikhs dramatically and makes it doubtful you could even populate a Khalistan. I think, logically and rationally Khalistan is never, ever going to exist. Urging people to agitate and fight for it is just a death sentence for nothing. Better advocate people attend university and become doctors, lawyers, businessmen, IT specialists, etc. There is no longer a Khalistan "movement" worth fighting and dying for. What is promised in future is not a separate country of Sikh people... but a world transformed by Mahapurakhs under one true Dharm. KPS Gill no doubt was a rapist and murderer, and he will pay. No one gets away with anything. That said, even devils can sometimes speak the truth. He was also right about foreign manipulation of Kharkhoos by China and Pakistan... and about radicalized "jihadi" kharkhoo goondas (I cannot call them disciples/Sikhs of sat Guru Sahibaan) who had an agenda of mass murder of whoever did not support treasonous, violent Khalistan movement. And they continued this agenda of disruption, intimidation, robbery and murder long past the point of any actual possibility of Khalistan. I'm sorry but blowing up planes, buses with innocents, elders, women and children is terrorism. Hiding behind some notion of "revenge" for 1984, without targeting the actual culprits is simply jumping into an ocean of murders. I didn't lose anything to separate from persons who drag dirtiest corrupted politics into "religion" and then justify any criminality that supports their political agenda... and advocates hatred, ostracism and targeting for violence against actual religious teachings, practices and beliefs with an intolerance only matched by Taliban. After all, I received over 14 death threats and 1 threat of rape from Sikh community... and have not ever advocated violence towards anyone at all... only to promote reconciliation which doesn't come from fanning the flames of rage or blaming the wrong people for crimes committed by others. I will tell the truth... murderers of Sikhs in 1984 were not true Hindus. Khalistani separatists who committed bloodbath of murders against indiscriminate targets were not real Sikhs. Now that we know this, let's promote forgiveness, respect, brotherhood and blessing between all people. I do not condone wrongdoing. Why should you? If you want to overcome police brutality, become a moral policeman. If you want to overcome laws of injustice become a lawyer and judge. Why did the Khalistan movement and Sikh militancy not bring any blessing to anyone? Why did it bring only corrupted, ultra wealthy goodas, drugs, prostitution, unbelievable violence and fear? Why did it separate "true" Sikhs from Sikhs determined "worthy of death" for being sanatan, pro-Hindu, or pro-India? Why did it spark violent attacks and murders against deray, where militants could not create hatred, they created terror. Do you think THIS is how you will get your Khalistan, your state of the Pure ones? And government run by who? those colluding with Pakistani ISI and behind them atheistic, mass murdering Communist China? This state if it ever came to exist at all... would be a despised hell on earth... and the blood of so many misguided fools and murdered innocents would curse it's name. You don't like Sant Nirankari's so just throw grenades at them while they are praying with family and children... THIS is what you call KHALSA? This will bring you pain, destruction and hell, in this life and in lives to come. Khalistan is death even more than it is dead. It has no blessing at all from any God. God blesses those who support authentic justice and peace. Our own sins will punish those who advocate pain to innocents no matter how deep the delusion of justification. Hatred is never defeated by hatred... only by love.

Eh? Can you please cut and paste and show me where I have advocated in support of rioting, criminality, rape and murder? Where did I justify such things or even accept the news articles had told the whole truth? No, I told it was deliberate propaganda by nerfarious foreign forces including USA, Bangladesh, Pakistan, China, Russia, Israeli to create problems for India and stage incidents and provoke people to commit harms against their neighbors. I also said such persons who commit evil doing will reap those karams in this life and suffer pains in the next. Why do you insist on bearing false witness to lie about what I say>? In what way have I become an accomplice, to advocate or defend rioters? I urged you to investigate the true situation and not blame or instigate harm against Hindus as you are doing. And more, you have deliberately posted to frame these riots as something against Sikh community, for which to compare with 1984. What began in 1984 was more than 10,000 murders and went on with impunity for over 25 years to involve many thousands more... and was in fact "ethnic cleansing" and "genocide" committed by Congress Party officially with sanction... and there is no parallel for what has happened here. You write: I am not attacking you as a Sikh. To be honest bhaiji, right now nothing you have posted reflects on Sikh community at all, I view as merely your opinions. You say all these bad things against Hindus then hide behind Sikhi. Nothing here has anything to do with any religion, no less Gursikhi. I am confronting the irresponsibility of your spreading the most inflammatory depiction of the recent riots, in the most anti-Hindu way imaginable... which literally invited Hindu hatred within Sikh community... and all this over the Citizenship Amendment Bill intended to protect those including Sikh community from extremism within neighboring countries which in fact have been infiltrated by Saudi funded extremists... as Narendra Modi says... why have these not protested the millions of murders and rapes committed in Afghanistan, Bangladesh and Pakistan against vulnerable people whom the Citizenship Bill is intending to protect? 44 murders in riots is horrible. Some of those killed were also Hindus. Let's just tell the whole truth and stop judging along communal lines. Citizenship Bill is not in any way anti-Muslim. Is there anything to protect Indian origin people of non-Muslim religion in those Muslim countries? Yet, you do not even offer balanced perspective in your "voice of protest." And THAT is all I said. I am hounding you now to reply to 2 threads that I find highly anti-Hindu and unfairly feed into the kind of communalism creating violence? Reflect, maybe there is a better way to conduct news reporting than throw all sorts of blame and hatred against only Hindus, and not even investigating what about the Citizenship Bill is problematic, or what foreign instigators have hijacked media to stage incidents during American President's visit to India? Especially problematic should be ignoring calls for peace and for people to stop being influenced by overly dramatic fake news that itself is creating provocation and incidents. Please go and do japa, and then tell me how I create out of you, my brother, to be an enemy when the opposite is the case.

Rakshasa does nowhere mean "low caste woman" but terrible devil of aggressive quality such to be man-eater. You assert Ravana wasn't devil yet admit he was born from devil yoni. Okay. This is not Christianity, and it is not Satan forever condemned. Everyone contains within them pervading Absolute Lord, and through Nama japa will attain liberation, even devils. Prahlad was also son of Devil King Hiranyakashipu. What is the difference between them bhaiji? "Hindu-ism" is a big religion, with many sects, and people who speak different languages. Some even worship Ravan. You write: a major deity in the hindu trimurthi? Lol, okay. You really ought to study this subject more in-depth but I will do my best to clear things. The trimurthi is what? what's a murthi? A FORM. The trimurthi is equivalent to Trey gunas. In this aspect Lord Shiva is part of material creation, and also what aspect of trey gunas? RAJO. And what is rajo quality? Action, passion, anger. For this reason Lord Shiva is also known as Lord of the demons. The Trimurthi are also known as aspects of what? BRAHMAN, the Absolute which is not the same concept as Brahma, which in contracted form is part of the trimurthi. So, we can be clear to distinguish BRAHMAN/PARABRAHM from the Brahma of Trey gunas. Likewise, this "major deity" concept of yours is fundamentally flawed because why? Does not every living being consist in some material aspect of the trey gunas as qualities of nature? So the entire material creation is composed of these... what are lyrically described as trimurthi. Ravan has composed Shiva Tandava Stotram which, incidentally, describes Lord Shiva as leader of bhootas. Lord Shiva as Trimurthi is aspect of what? Destruction. Lord Shiva is Rudra रुद्र, the god who cries out, or howls or roars. Devils and angels exist because of duality. Good and evil exists because of duality. But there is a balance between them which differs from yuga to yuga. The Absolute Lord sends his avatars (forms) on the Earth to keep the balance to protect the Dharma, to preserve the creation from self-annihilation. Many powerful beings have harnessed powers of destruction. In Kaljug the evil force is ascendant... as a form of purgation. Gurbani says:

Since you seem not to possess reading comprehension, allow me to copy paste what I wrote... because I never said worship of Ram son of Dasrath... but I did say, and Gurbani says the NAM of Ram son of Dasrath (sarguna) is used to invoke the Absolute Lord who is nirguna, and therefore without NAM. You have proved yourself several times to lie, distort and evade the issues. Gurbani says: Why have they used NAM of son of Dasrath? As I wrote, because Lord Ram was Trey Yug Avtar (sarguna) of the Absolute Nirgun Lord and Paramjyot, else his NAM would not be boat of mukti. You write: Sikhi is what, new religion based on ancient and eternal Dharm. How can there be question of "sovereignty" or "lordship over" what is essentially the same eternal teaching? Are Guru Sahibaan not jyoti jyot Param jyot? And is Param Jyot not 'One without a Second?' And is not "Hindu" a location, and Eternal Dharma the religion? So, what is Sikhi if not discipleship of true Guru Sahibaan who are God conscious and therefore One Jyot of the eternal Lord who gives the world one eternal Dharma? I am not talking sectarianism... you are. All beings in the world contain the Absolute One Lord pervading (vis, from Sanskrit Vishnu, all pervading) within the heart (antharjami). All... Buddhists, Muslims, Christians, Parsis, Jains, Shaivites, Vaishnavas, Shaktas, Vama Margis... ALL!~ There is ONE eternal Dharma and it is NOT within the confines of "religion." It is merely, the "truth."

An ethnic cleansing is it... with what, 44 people dead in riots? This is simply deliberate and absurd exaggeration intending to inflame passion of others. Baba Sheikh Farid is saying everyone's house is on fire... because it is true and all should reflect on his wisdom. The one who starts a fire is burning even more. Also, to claim my post is used to "justify" ethnic cleansing is deliberate false witness against what I wrote, and the spirit of healing the communal divide in which I wrote. But you have to live with who you are. Krodhi people go to hell. Suggest you calm yourself and pray for peace. May truth prevail.

Amazing that now as riots are calming down you are still here preaching the same sectarian destructiveness with exaggerated news stories many with fake news sources, and hatred and blame only of Hindus, to make Hindus into a target of violence and retaliation. How can it be a comparison with 1984 when, above all it was not a pogrom killing thousands deliberately targeted by Congress Government for simply being Sikhs... but a riot with groups of people fighting each other... because foreign and political agitators were making sure they could not come to an understanding over Citizenship Bill. Now you are here doing your best to make sure everyone sees only the most outrageous claims, even as situation on the ground is beginning to settle. Honestly you care nothing for Hindu loss of life or Muslim attacks. At least I can honestly say both sides were acting sinfully and stupidly for manipulated reasons... and mark my words, those who committed sins will suffer for it in this life and in lives to come. No one get's away with wrong-doing. It is foolish to get inflamed over manipulated incidents making other people's sinfulness a part of your own. Everybody needs to clean their mind and raise their consciousness, because we can't bring about justice from hatred.. only by virtues of truth, fairness, proper judgement, sincere concern for humanity, and yes, love and prayer for something better. Our "tapas" of suffering in Kaljug is going to bring about the purity and joy of Satjug. So let's start practicing now for better future for everyone. (This was, after all, the whole point of Punjab's Sant Mat and Gursikhi movements that Hindu and Mussulman BOTH practiced true religion and justice to fix the problems of the world... out of this we got remarkable and wonderful Hindu and Muslim sants that taught great things that we can all admire and respect.) Om Shanti Shanti Shanti

1. Hindutva is a POLITICAL movement which is nationalist and promoting advancement of Hindu religion and culture. That said, it is not the same thing as the religion of Sanatana Dharma. I have met some persons who were RSS and drunkards, and never do any pious act or religious observance at all. I have met very pious and holy persons as well who support protection of Hindu Tattva in India from massive leftist misrepresentation and congressi politics of divide and conquer. I think even in purely political realm to be honest, you would have to be judicious in who you accuse of being bad... else you simply bear false witness to lie and slander to promote anti-Hindu hatred. 2. We have discussed issue behind the rioting which you are posting about... that being Citizenship Amendment Bill, which as yet you seem incapable of speaking for likely knowing nothing about... all you have done is regurgitate the most radical, factional, and even exposed lies which congressi media has flamed into international drama. And your reply is then to launch personal attack against me for having a response to your inflammatory posting. Now you call me a fellow rapist and murderer. Wow, I feel sorry for your sankalpa. As you think, so you become, despite whom you falsely accuse. Not only are you fanning the flames of hatred over quite awful riots... but you trash anyone in support of Hindu as being a rapist and murderer.... My prayer and intention for you is much better and higher than this bhaiji. Maybe you should practice Naam kamai and clean the dirtiness of your mental mirror bhaiji. It will bring you peace, happiness, long life, and respect for others. Join me in prayers for peace of India, and healing for all who have suffered injustice from rioting... regardless of religious affiliation. Do yourself a favor, investigate issues more deeply, be fair, prayerful and honest so that you do not become a mouthpiece for demons, for that only promotes violence and hatred, and lies. Let's promote truth and understanding in all things. Namaskar

Wow, talk about blasphemy of Holy Granth and hatred of Hindu Dharma. We could engage in long, controversial and in-depth discussion. But that isn't really the point. Let me try to simplify: What's an avatar? (It's sargun swaroop in human birth). What does Gurbani say an Avatar is? (It says is sargun swaroop in human birth, subject to troubles and failings of Maya). And... Lord Ram of Avodhya, son of Dasrath who fought demon-king Ravana for his wife... is described in Guru bani as... sargun AVTAR of Supreme Lord (absolute Akal which is nirguna that includes in fullness also sarguna). Now, for an absolute fact, when Nama japa includes nam of Lord Ram... it is NOT a boat of mukti to chant name of dead man from Avodia. But WITHIN the dead body of sargun swaroop of Lord Ram as Avtar of Absolute Lord Nirguna... was Param jyot... and so this NAMA of RAMA in Absolute aspect is part of Gurbani... because no one can jap nirguna, without form, without NAM. So, this Holy NAM which is boat of liberation is also RAM... because why? Because the avtar was jyoti jyot param jyot of Absolute Lord. You write: I'm so sorry you were educated by fanatic haters, but this is not the teaching of Sanatana Dharma. Neither is it the teaching of Shri Guru Granth Sahib ji Mahraaj. It is above all things, massively bad reinterpretation distorted for political problems since ages, and recently by communal factions. What is a SHUDRA? It is by definition a low-class person whose mind cannot comprehend complexities of religious observance. We could have long, controversial discussion about Jati-varna system, British Raj distortions of Manu Smritis, and British Raj era divide and conquer tactics to push Brahmin hatred and also Untouchable hatred. But... these old problems have not to do with the actual Lord Ram of Avodhya. He did not at any time KILL SAINTS. He killed SINNERS who acted in defiance of Dharma. In time of Mughal Raj, Brahminvadi was so corrupted that yes, Shudra Brahmins were murdering and mistreating Arya Shudras who were actual Sants. No. Lord Ram killed Shambuka because his actions defied the Dharma of the yuga and brought bad karma to the Kingdom. It was done to preserve the balance of the era. For one thing, you cannot judge between the ages by the same standard, because things are not the same. It is clear distinction between sarguna and nirguna... but nirguna has not got any NAM therefore, per Bhagat Kabirji, himself a HINDU RamNaami wrote this bani, RAM son of Dasrath is the Nam, but with concentration on the Param jyot aspect and not the physical sargun avtar. Now, if sargun avtar has given Lord's NAME... why treat it with such hostility, hatred and disrespect? We can get into big long debates, current history of casteism like Ambedkar's opinions and so forth, but here is simplest dialogue explaining what is missing from modern understanding. Ravana did tapasya as well, but not because he was a sant... he was devil and did such practices for POWER to act against devatay, and to harm others.

Fake news intended to defame and create violence is defiance against the Divine who is called SAT. ---- "A short video is circulating on twitter where it shows ex-JNU students addressing an anti-CAA crowd. He is heard saying, “Islamist forces” had already prepared a plot to hit the streets and humiliate the country on the day the US President is scheduled to arrive.” Delhi Riots Pre-Planned? Delhi Violence - 'Pogrom Lie' Vs Riot Truth | The Debate With Arnab Goswami (Pogrom is coordinated attack on thousands. Riot is fight between groups on much smaller scale.)

Pranayam when done incorrectly can cause brain damage. Some Sikhs will do a form of pranayam when japping Gurmantr. If they have not been properly instructed on correct form of breathing, and merely trust sacred Naam will protect them, they run a risk. Sadly many of these techniques have been lost to time, and so persons sometimes teach themselves or learn by imitation of others to their own detriment. There are many gurus of yoga who teach many of their students not to practice pranayam techniques at all, due to their state of consciousness and lack of health or preparation. Sometimes pregnant ladies or men with underlying heart, blood vessel condition or predisposition to stroke should avoid pranayam practices due to weaknesses of the human body.

Not quite sure what to think of your posts bhaiji. Why make sarcasm against Lord Ram whose Naam happens to be sacred bani in Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Mahraaj over 8,000 times. "Saffron brigade" really? Saffron is not the color which Sikh Nirmalay wear? "protecting your tyrant so called 'state'." BJP government did not conduct Anti-Sikh pogroms in 1984 and over 20 years of impunity. At least blame the proper culprits, for the proper reason and not go radical blaming every single Hindu, and those who want to protect Hindu tattva of India from aggressive missionaries Christian and Muslim, and in anti-religion way political Communism funded by foreign countries. Yes, it is a reply. But you don't have the political integrity to share what this comment was in reply TO... already we know that jihadi radicals, including ISIS have claimed India for Muslim domination... have posters putting Hindu women into burqa's... and smashing sacred swastika symbol... no less equating it with the political fascism of National Socialist Germany... a different country... from a different time period... which even had Muslim legions... so the lunacy of such propaganda is so nonsensical... especially labeling Hindutva as fascist... but Islamic radicals as democratic... when every speech they give promises to destroy democracy and create Sharia state... but I digress. Tell at least the WHOLE story, so people can understand the conflict, the agitators manipulating the conflict, and rise above it and move back towards actual brotherhood and goodwill.

You want only the most inflammatory documentation from only one point of view channeled deliberately AGAINST another point of view. You have the unmitigated hypocrisy to claim outright your thread is intended to shut down: HINDU NATIONALISTS and call them, and THEM ALONE, BLOODTHIRSTY NATIONALISTS...and then say hypocritical and silly thing like: So why exactly are you classifying as HINDUS? No less, casting ALL blame and violation only upon HINDUS? They are not Indian citizens? You directly INVITED comments... but now it is clear, you want PROPAGANDA from only ONE POINT OF VIEW... and that directly ANTI-HINDU ONLY... and instead of weighing the issue with fact, intelligence, fairness and discernment... you don't appreciate REBUTTAL or REFUTATION of the most SLANDEROUS MEDIA CLAIMS... which have CLEAR and OBVIOUS POLITICAL and FOREIGN MANIPULATION. Yesterday you wrote: Today any refutation of the SIDE YOU INSIST ON FANATICALLY,,, is taken as burying YOUR POINT. That makes you a liar. You aren't impartial, you are deceiver Everything you have posted here, from the Topic Name: "hindu terrorists raping and murdering again as usual" Is the MOST prejudicial, propagandistic, deliberately inflammatory, not bothering to fact-check and only posting the most ONE-SIDED version of the story... an you can't even get it right that the PROTESTS were about the CITIZENSHIP AMENDMENT BILL.... but drag 1984 into it, in effort to INFLAME PASSIONS AGAINST HINDU PEOPLE MANY OF WHOM WERE NOT EVEN BORN IN 1984... and AGAINST MODI government...for a PROTECTION BILL which INCLUDES PROTECTION OF SIKHS FROM EXTREMIST ISLAMIC COUNTRIES... and despite HYPOCRITICAL congressi Sikhs mad support for CONGRESS PARTY.... BJP WAS NEVER SUPPORTIVE OF Congress Government POGROM AGAINST SIKHS in revenge for putting down mad dog tyrant Indira, and nothing to do with IMMIGRATION BILL. All my points were about Citizenship Immigration Bill and protests and manipulators creating disturbances NOTHING was anti-Sikh or even anti-Muslim. YOUR points were only frothing at the mouth ANTI-HINDU propaganda distorting the issue, and the protests as something Sikh community should use as weapon to hold against Hindus. Think long and hard, because you do not seem to be thinking clearly.

The OTHER side of the story...

Other vital news ignored by leftist press. But of course blame the Hindus... as usual.

Far be it from me to imagine that Muslim community would EVER be complicit in mob violence... or violence against women (yeah right)... yet here you are justifying horrific mob brutal murder of police constable (actually intelligence official doing investigation)... okay, well per your claim... when Hindu's react it's a mob... but when Muslims react, it's only self-defense... even if they butchered this man and pulled his organs out and dumped him in a sewer.... Really now, I think it is disservice to Sikh community to get stuck blindly supporting Muslim community and due to extreme media manipulation, we do not know all the facts or provocations. I wouldn't be at all surprised that America, Pakistan, Russia, China and Israel were pulling strings behind the scenes. Everybody's being played. India already has more Muslim population than either Pakistan OR Bangladesh. How many Hindu's and Sikhs population do they have? 1-2% and disappearing. Nationalism isn't a bad thing. For what reason does India have to support more Muslim citizens? Would it even be wise to propose when it would quite obviously create yet another partition? "From the anti-CAA march in Hyderabad today, what appears to be the Islamic Shahada ["There is no god but the Allah"] printed on the Indian tricolour in place of the Ashoka Chakra." https://www.thetruepicture.org/anti-india-hinduphobic-violent-incidents-surrounding-caa-protests/ Always, there are two sides to every story... ask yourself for what purpose all this anti-Hindu, anti-India hate and provocation? Why only ONE side of the story gets inflammatory news coverage? I wonder what countries (cough Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh) might be behind it... along with US, Israeli, British, Russian, Chinese intelligence agencies manipulating THEM. What democracy is this? Burqa on Hindu ladies... smashing holy swastik symbol... defacing National flag with no god but Allah>? Yes... more Muslim citizens and there will cease to be any India.

There is no comparison to 1984. It isn't the same people. It isn't the same government. It isn't the same situation. And above all, it isn't even anti-Sikh. It's not going to end, it's only going to get worse in Kaljug. Forcing political demands of India to encourage Muslim immigration and citizenship status from the above named extremist and radicalized countries is going to wreck destruction. If you think things are bad now, imagine higher Muslim demographics... then it will be another Bangladesh. the law was intended to provide safe haven for persecuted Indian non-Muslims from Muslim countries. End of. This cannot be an issue of "equality" for Muslim illegals offered same citizenship opportunities. How? BJP has shouted loudest and longest against Congress Party for 1984 government sponsored pogrom against Sikhs. This isn't directed against Sikhs, but to offer safe haven and citizenship. How is it the same? Mobs are out committing acts of hate and murder, for a lot of reasons... but anti-Sikh sentiment is not part of this... or do you feel the need to jump on the bandwagon and use it as a platform to promote Sikh separatist point of view? That's a mob bhaiji. Mob violence can start over anything. India really hasn't had a chance. British Raj gave birth to it by arming Muslims and promising them Pakistan and Bangladesh. Honestly, none of those countries have yet recovered from massive genocidal partition... while England sits across the ocean rich and fat and wearing Koh-i-Noor diamond and lecturing the world about democracy as it's own daughters get whored out by Muslim mobs. What type of democracy is it going to be, if everyone has a bone to pick with Hindu's intolerant of Muslim population, and ignoring the causes in the mass rapes, forced marriages and virtual extermination of Hindu's in Bangladesh, Pakistan and Afghanistan? What kind of democracy will it create to rescind this Immigration Law or worse, allow equal right of MUSLIMS to leave MUSLIM countries and flock to India to build up vote bank for murdering Congress Party?

Only one side of the story cannot possibly tell the whole truth. It's obvious foreign press has a hand in instigating the unrest in India... dirtiest irresponsible politics of division... and over what? A law intended to protect.